gas2.org— With all of the recent talk about who will become the EV capitol of the US, we would like to point out the obvious: without the necessary charging infrastructure, the cars won’t run.
May 4, 2009View in Crawl 4
I keep picturing in my mind... Apartment buildings with extension cords hanging out every window and door. Stretched through the hallways, across the landscape, driveways, and parking lots.People switch to your extension cord at night so they can charge their car on your dime.Landscapers get tangled up in the cords and die.Wear and tear on the cords would eventually light up a skate boarder, jogger or a mailman or two.Or... maybe they could build some infrastructure.
You pay more to the electric company and as a result pay less for gas/maintenance. You're in the same financial position as before (worst case, you are probably saving money), you don't have to be inconvenienced by gassing up, and you're car doesn't pollute.
the math does not change if you keep the drag lower. you still end up putting more into it than you get out of it.you lose less at lower "drag" levels as you call it but the loss it still a loss.
I did not say Solar + Storage can not work. I said solar alone can not work.Think about it Once everyone has solar roofs and are paying peco NOTHING who pays peco?solar is nothing more than a temporary limited bandaid UNTIL we have STORAGE to go along with itonce we have both cheap solar and cheap storage your going to see some REAL energy independence happen. NOT energy independence for America but energy independents for AMERICANS (tiny but critical difference)
you kidding right tostrstrudel?I drive an average of 1600 miles a month for work. lets do some quick math.I will use the minivan since it gets the best mpg at 24 mpg (used to get 28 pre ethanol)Right now that means $133 a month in gasoline (remember this is JUST for work NO personal driving) $2 a gallon (currently)A Nimh powered car consumes about $1 in electricity for 100 miles of driving.once again 1600 miles which means I will have to pay peco $16 a month in extra electricity to charge my car.Hmm lets see $133 in gasoline (over $250 a year ago when we were pushing $4 a gallon)versus $16 in electricyt.$133 - $16 ?? HELLO !!! I would save over $117 a month in fuel costs !!I did the math once this means the car needs about 8400 watts to go 100 miles.Figure an 8 hours charge. that means it needs to draw about 1000 watts an hour.Your Microwave draws 900watts or MORE an hour.Your blow dryer draws 1500 watts an hourA Space heater draws 1500 watts an hour.your OVEN can draw 1200watts an hour (at 220v so 2400 watts at 120v)so for the same amount of power it takes to cook turkey for thanksgiving you can drive over 100 miles in your car.Thats a NOTHING current suck to what your using right now on a daily basis.now sure if you want to charge the car in an hour your going to need an assload of amps. In fact your house might not have service that can handle that many amps.But you know something. 99% of us WILL NEVER NEED to charge the car in an hour.4 hours 6 hours 8 hours is JUST FINE. also your car will almost never be FULLY depleted. so if I drive to work (54 miles one way) in 5 hours on a regular outlet I will be fully charged up again.When I drive home again only 4-5 hours to fully recharge the car.Most people drive no where near 54 miles one way. that means they really might be able to charge there car in 30-60 minutes since they will not need a full charge.
stony74May 5, 2009
Who killed the electric car?Watch on youtube:<a class="user" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3rw9MsHB8Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3rw9MsHB8Y</a><a class="user" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCystkUUqU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCystkUUqU</a>
whiskeythiefMay 5, 2009
I keep picturing in my mind... Apartment buildings with extension cords hanging out every window and door. Stretched through the hallways, across the landscape, driveways, and parking lots.People switch to your extension cord at night so they can charge their car on your dime.Landscapers get tangled up in the cords and die.Wear and tear on the cords would eventually light up a skate boarder, jogger or a mailman or two.Or... maybe they could build some infrastructure.
tostrstrudelMay 5, 2009
You pay more to the electric company and as a result pay less for gas/maintenance. You're in the same financial position as before (worst case, you are probably saving money), you don't have to be inconvenienced by gassing up, and you're car doesn't pollute.
nerysMay 11, 2009
the math does not change if you keep the drag lower. you still end up putting more into it than you get out of it.you lose less at lower "drag" levels as you call it but the loss it still a loss.
nerysMay 11, 2009
I did not say Solar + Storage can not work. I said solar alone can not work.Think about it Once everyone has solar roofs and are paying peco NOTHING who pays peco?solar is nothing more than a temporary limited bandaid UNTIL we have STORAGE to go along with itonce we have both cheap solar and cheap storage your going to see some REAL energy independence happen. NOT energy independence for America but energy independents for AMERICANS (tiny but critical difference)
nerysMay 11, 2009
you kidding right tostrstrudel?I drive an average of 1600 miles a month for work. lets do some quick math.I will use the minivan since it gets the best mpg at 24 mpg (used to get 28 pre ethanol)Right now that means $133 a month in gasoline (remember this is JUST for work NO personal driving) $2 a gallon (currently)A Nimh powered car consumes about $1 in electricity for 100 miles of driving.once again 1600 miles which means I will have to pay peco $16 a month in extra electricity to charge my car.Hmm lets see $133 in gasoline (over $250 a year ago when we were pushing $4 a gallon)versus $16 in electricyt.$133 - $16 ?? HELLO !!! I would save over $117 a month in fuel costs !!I did the math once this means the car needs about 8400 watts to go 100 miles.Figure an 8 hours charge. that means it needs to draw about 1000 watts an hour.Your Microwave draws 900watts or MORE an hour.Your blow dryer draws 1500 watts an hourA Space heater draws 1500 watts an hour.your OVEN can draw 1200watts an hour (at 220v so 2400 watts at 120v)so for the same amount of power it takes to cook turkey for thanksgiving you can drive over 100 miles in your car.Thats a NOTHING current suck to what your using right now on a daily basis.now sure if you want to charge the car in an hour your going to need an assload of amps. In fact your house might not have service that can handle that many amps.But you know something. 99% of us WILL NEVER NEED to charge the car in an hour.4 hours 6 hours 8 hours is JUST FINE. also your car will almost never be FULLY depleted. so if I drive to work (54 miles one way) in 5 hours on a regular outlet I will be fully charged up again.When I drive home again only 4-5 hours to fully recharge the car.Most people drive no where near 54 miles one way. that means they really might be able to charge there car in 30-60 minutes since they will not need a full charge.