live.psu.edu— Researchers have proposed an answer to Charles Darwin's "abominable mystery": the inexplicably rapid evolution of flowering plants immediately after their first appearance some 140 million years ago.
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@erusanChristianity not proven wrong by evidence?I think there's good evidence that virgin births don't happen, people don't walk on water, conjure food out of baskets, raise the dead and turn water into wine (except by fermenting grape juice). There's a good reason this stuff doesn't happen - they violoate fundamental physical laws. Miracles? That doesn't do 2 2=4 for me.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Science doesn't set out to disprove Christianity or any other religion. If scientic findings are in contradiction to religious (or even other scientifc theories) then that's just tough, especially if you have invested a lot of your mind set in that particular theory / belief.There's a lot of history and colouration with the Christian Bible too. A lot of selective cherry picking as to what should be included in the 'official' version.On the other hand there is good evidence that the Christian Bible as it stands is a work of political and social spin. Look into the history of the King James bible for example. It was painstakingly devised as a tool for control and authority for which by and large it succeded.You should really pause for a moment before attacking biological evolution theory. Some of the worlds best scientific minds are at work in this field. Minds bent to the task of understanding how and why the world is the way we experience it. The same kind of minds that are creating the modern world, the computer you use, the internet, cars, airplanes, medicine and agriculture. All of these have been brought about and depend upon the scientific method and evolutionary theory is strong amongst them.You're free to stack bilical evidence against evolutionary evidence but you'd be wasting your time. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and our emerging model of life doesn't have the support from one but many sciences.You say you don't have blind faith and that the answers you DO have are against evolutionary theory. If ignoring scientific evidence isn't blind faith then I don't know what is.
like me, jzimmerman. and that makes us creationists tooyoung earth creationists believe the world was made in six days five thousand years ago, old earth creationists don't
Ok i'll bite the bail of old earth creationists. Mod me insightful.For convenience i'll categorize you as those who are christians and those who are not christians.For non-christians, you say that God guides the process of evolution, this would seem to indicate that something special happens within living creatures that allow them to evolve.However when we break evolution into its basic building blocks, you don't see any difference in the way simple matter works. The basic building blocks of evolution are, the chemical reactions that form us and the simple logical consecuense of the most fit for reproduction individuals outnumbering the less adapted ones.If God is guiding evolution, He is doing so by ensuring nothing special ever happens. But you don't need God for that, unless you belive that God's work is to ensure the universe works as if He didn't ever existed.For christians, besides the problems stated above, you have to explain why your God decived by telling us that creation story, He could have easily said that he placed the "seed" of life on earth and life flourished on its own.But no, He insists on gining us a lot of details including the idea that He created Adam alone, then Eve, from his rib, when this obviously contradics the evolutionary evidence that males were derived from females, let alone the fact that without human females there can not be a human evolution for God to guide.
xanderMay 12, 2006
"Why do so many things look like so many other things?"Because they were created by the same designer. BMW 325, M3, 735... they all look a bit alike.
nitsujMay 12, 2006
@erusanChristianity not proven wrong by evidence?I think there's good evidence that virgin births don't happen, people don't walk on water, conjure food out of baskets, raise the dead and turn water into wine (except by fermenting grape juice). There's a good reason this stuff doesn't happen - they violoate fundamental physical laws. Miracles? That doesn't do 2 2=4 for me.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Science doesn't set out to disprove Christianity or any other religion. If scientic findings are in contradiction to religious (or even other scientifc theories) then that's just tough, especially if you have invested a lot of your mind set in that particular theory / belief.There's a lot of history and colouration with the Christian Bible too. A lot of selective cherry picking as to what should be included in the 'official' version.On the other hand there is good evidence that the Christian Bible as it stands is a work of political and social spin. Look into the history of the King James bible for example. It was painstakingly devised as a tool for control and authority for which by and large it succeded.You should really pause for a moment before attacking biological evolution theory. Some of the worlds best scientific minds are at work in this field. Minds bent to the task of understanding how and why the world is the way we experience it. The same kind of minds that are creating the modern world, the computer you use, the internet, cars, airplanes, medicine and agriculture. All of these have been brought about and depend upon the scientific method and evolutionary theory is strong amongst them.You're free to stack bilical evidence against evolutionary evidence but you'd be wasting your time. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and our emerging model of life doesn't have the support from one but many sciences.You say you don't have blind faith and that the answers you DO have are against evolutionary theory. If ignoring scientific evidence isn't blind faith then I don't know what is.
Closed AccountMay 12, 2006
i'd like to know how research on the history of flowers has morphed into a dispute over the validity of religion itself.
Closed AccountMay 12, 2006
like me, jzimmerman. and that makes us creationists tooyoung earth creationists believe the world was made in six days five thousand years ago, old earth creationists don't
requiem18thMay 13, 2006
Ok i'll bite the bail of old earth creationists. Mod me insightful.For convenience i'll categorize you as those who are christians and those who are not christians.For non-christians, you say that God guides the process of evolution, this would seem to indicate that something special happens within living creatures that allow them to evolve.However when we break evolution into its basic building blocks, you don't see any difference in the way simple matter works. The basic building blocks of evolution are, the chemical reactions that form us and the simple logical consecuense of the most fit for reproduction individuals outnumbering the less adapted ones.If God is guiding evolution, He is doing so by ensuring nothing special ever happens. But you don't need God for that, unless you belive that God's work is to ensure the universe works as if He didn't ever existed.For christians, besides the problems stated above, you have to explain why your God decived by telling us that creation story, He could have easily said that he placed the "seed" of life on earth and life flourished on its own.But no, He insists on gining us a lot of details including the idea that He created Adam alone, then Eve, from his rib, when this obviously contradics the evolutionary evidence that males were derived from females, let alone the fact that without human females there can not be a human evolution for God to guide.
requiem18thMay 15, 2006
Of course not, but this is exactly what some people are saying...