engadget.com— Last week's "discussion" surrounding the merits of DRM was a rare glimpse into the heavy C-level posturing usually obstructed by the gold-plated doors of the digital music industry.
Feb 16, 2007View in Crawl 4
"Use Torrent or other P2P networks!"So to get back at them for claiming you're a pirate, you're going to pirate? Yeah, good plan. That'll surely hold up in court. :rolls eyes:
@crass22 That was already tried. It was called Napster. You know what happened? Artists didn't see a penny, because people, when offered something for free, typically will just take it and not give a damn.DRM is a broken model that benefits no one but the labels, but lets not attempt to replace it with another broken model that benefits (in general) no one but those willing to steal.
Instead of DRM, they need to start selling unprotected MP3s, however, they should have a way to catch pirates sharing unprotected purchased MP3s. All sold unprotected MP3s should have a unique tag that is dynamically inserted into the file data when it is purchased. This tag would correspond to the customer who first purchased the file. This way, if the file is ever found on the open P2P networks, it can be traced back to the source. Hey, it's better than the current DRM system. At least with this everyone wins, except the pirates. Record companies have assurance that they can go after pirates and regular users are free to have an unprotected file. This system would not affect the average joe unless they were to upload the file to the internet or a P2P network.BMR777
@EntropyFanPiracy usually only hurts the big superstar artists.Not the little DIY'ers.Those guys make most of their money from concerts and merch sales anyways, they barely see the CD revenues anyways.
^ Its called watermarking and it doesn't work that well. Maybe in the future, but thats not the point of DRM at all.Don't you guys who are willing to pay more for portable music realize that was the whole point?With or without DRM, they will have sold rights you already had back to you. It has nothing to do with piracy.What do you suppose would happen if they agreed to allow total interoperability with everything EXCEPT Linux......not that its a serious question, but think about it, what are you willing to accept? What do you gain over ripping a CD?
Since when did apple stop using TPM chips? And why? I thought they built random stuff around the TPM like Rosetta (for whatever reason), they just dropped it entirely?TPM isn't the enemy, its actually incredibly cool, id love to have one in my laptop, but if i could use an SD or PCMCIA/Expresscard in the same way i would.The real problem is the software side, TPM functions aren't new, but trying to build a partitioned kernel is (palladium), especially on consumer systems that would be out of the owners control. In your control though, its a great asset.TPM is the gun, Microsoft was just trying to shoot you with it, and will try again soon.
Some things one can do with TPM are sort of cool. But once you can hide code form the owner of a PC, it WILL be used to snoop on you. Of course, only terrorists, drug lords, and pornographers would object, right?
bdbrFeb 16, 2007
"Use Torrent or other P2P networks!"So to get back at them for claiming you're a pirate, you're going to pirate? Yeah, good plan. That'll surely hold up in court. :rolls eyes:
entropyfanFeb 16, 2007
@crass22 That was already tried. It was called Napster. You know what happened? Artists didn't see a penny, because people, when offered something for free, typically will just take it and not give a damn.DRM is a broken model that benefits no one but the labels, but lets not attempt to replace it with another broken model that benefits (in general) no one but those willing to steal.
bmr777Feb 16, 2007
Instead of DRM, they need to start selling unprotected MP3s, however, they should have a way to catch pirates sharing unprotected purchased MP3s. All sold unprotected MP3s should have a unique tag that is dynamically inserted into the file data when it is purchased. This tag would correspond to the customer who first purchased the file. This way, if the file is ever found on the open P2P networks, it can be traced back to the source. Hey, it's better than the current DRM system. At least with this everyone wins, except the pirates. Record companies have assurance that they can go after pirates and regular users are free to have an unprotected file. This system would not affect the average joe unless they were to upload the file to the internet or a P2P network.BMR777
radical2Feb 16, 2007
@EntropyFanPiracy usually only hurts the big superstar artists.Not the little DIY'ers.Those guys make most of their money from concerts and merch sales anyways, they barely see the CD revenues anyways.
mrsteveman1Feb 16, 2007
^ Its called watermarking and it doesn't work that well. Maybe in the future, but thats not the point of DRM at all.Don't you guys who are willing to pay more for portable music realize that was the whole point?With or without DRM, they will have sold rights you already had back to you. It has nothing to do with piracy.What do you suppose would happen if they agreed to allow total interoperability with everything EXCEPT Linux......not that its a serious question, but think about it, what are you willing to accept? What do you gain over ripping a CD?
mrsteveman1Feb 16, 2007
Since when did apple stop using TPM chips? And why? I thought they built random stuff around the TPM like Rosetta (for whatever reason), they just dropped it entirely?TPM isn't the enemy, its actually incredibly cool, id love to have one in my laptop, but if i could use an SD or PCMCIA/Expresscard in the same way i would.The real problem is the software side, TPM functions aren't new, but trying to build a partitioned kernel is (palladium), especially on consumer systems that would be out of the owners control. In your control though, its a great asset.TPM is the gun, Microsoft was just trying to shoot you with it, and will try again soon.
williamdyerFeb 16, 2007
Some things one can do with TPM are sort of cool. But once you can hide code form the owner of a PC, it WILL be used to snoop on you. Of course, only terrorists, drug lords, and pornographers would object, right?