sciam.com— Climate models predict that the hottest seasons on record will become the norm by the end of the century--an outcome that bodes ill for feeding the world
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Well, there are a few terms in circulation. As greenfyre pointed out, the terminology "climate change" has been around since 1979, hence IPCC instead of IPGW.The present cooling is the well understood result of La Nina conditions, and in fact is the warmest such La Nina year on record (or second warmest, if you count the brief two month La Nina period at the end of the strong El Nino in 1998). Note also that weather is the meteorological conditions at a specific place at a specific time, whereas climate is the statistics of weather, with extremes. Given that climate considers timescales on the order of 30 years, an 18 month cooling trend won't make much of a mark on the global climate.I strongly advise you to question everything. In fact, I advise you to go down to your local university/college library and look up the research yourself. You can get started with the Journal of Climate or Geophysical Research Letters (or any other peer reviewed journal dealing with climate). Also, you may want to consider calling up one of those institutions and asking to talk to a climatologist directly.
This person is not used to reading sources that have been reviewed by international scientists. The skeptics groups conduct their own research by reading about a snowfall in Edmonton and then report independently with subjective commentary that includes words like "socialist plots" and "hippies".
greenfyreJan 10, 2009
@NaiveThe Climate Models Have it Right<a class="user" href="http://digg.com/environment/The_Climate_Models_Have_it_Right">http://digg.com/environment/The_Climate_Models_Hav ...</a>Climate Models: An Assessment of Strengths and Limitations <a class="user" href="http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap3-1/final-report/default.htm">http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap3-1/f ...</a>unreliability of climate models? <a class="user" href="http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/unreliability-of-climate-models/?referer=sphere_related_content/">http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/unreli ...</a>The 16 Climate Models <a class="user" href="http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2008/09/16-climate-models.html">http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2008/09/16 ...</a> Misleading argument 5: ’Global warming computer models which predict the future climate are unreliable’ <a class="user" href="http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?tip=1&amp;id=6232">http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?tip=1&amp;id=6232</a>Myth: "Climate models don't work. They don't even 'predict' the past."<a class="user" href="http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html">http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/mo ...</a>Myth: The scientific models aren't very good at projecting the future<a class="user" href="http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/programs/atmosphere-energy/climate-change/ten-myths.html#cc6">http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/programs/atmosph ...</a>Ice Core Studies Confirm Accuracy of Climate Models <a class="user" href="http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2008/Sep08/icecore.html">http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2008/Sep0 ...</a>
greenfyreJan 10, 2009
@ CardHere' the temperature record you refer to ... clearly showing your claims are wrong:<a class="user" href="http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sweet-spot-big.jpg">http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008 ...</a>
themonikerJan 11, 2009
Well, there are a few terms in circulation. As greenfyre pointed out, the terminology "climate change" has been around since 1979, hence IPCC instead of IPGW.The present cooling is the well understood result of La Nina conditions, and in fact is the warmest such La Nina year on record (or second warmest, if you count the brief two month La Nina period at the end of the strong El Nino in 1998). Note also that weather is the meteorological conditions at a specific place at a specific time, whereas climate is the statistics of weather, with extremes. Given that climate considers timescales on the order of 30 years, an 18 month cooling trend won't make much of a mark on the global climate.I strongly advise you to question everything. In fact, I advise you to go down to your local university/college library and look up the research yourself. You can get started with the Journal of Climate or Geophysical Research Letters (or any other peer reviewed journal dealing with climate). Also, you may want to consider calling up one of those institutions and asking to talk to a climatologist directly.
dbzssj44676Jan 11, 2009
"Climate models predict"Climate models extrapolate from a preset of non-constants for the purpose of simplicity made into constants....
alain4911Jan 12, 2009
This person is not used to reading sources that have been reviewed by international scientists. The skeptics groups conduct their own research by reading about a snowfall in Edmonton and then report independently with subjective commentary that includes words like "socialist plots" and "hippies".
vikingcoderJan 12, 2009
The denial of scientific research based on nothing more than belief continues.What is incorrect about the accumulated scientific knowledge?<a class="user" href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/</a>
slapthemonkeyJan 12, 2009
Not at all surprising
alain4911Jan 13, 2009
For real... what's your point? The rest of that section explains exactly what it is they do.
alain4911Apr 16, 2009
That's all you could come up with? This is no fun.