rawstory.com— A federal appeals court ruling late Monday is the cause c?l?bre of the American Civil Liberties Union, as another provision of the Bush administration's Patriot Act falls to the judicial system.
Dec 16, 2008View in Crawl 4
maybe you don't believe in the right to privacy as protected in the bill or rights, but the rest of us do. warrantless wiretapping in itself is a form of tyranny
Keep the people afraid by one means or another ie tell them their phones are tapped 24/7 and they will be compliant slaves. If you cant make them love you make them fear you.
@ rugrat54> I have just proved to you that the Income tax is voluntaryAnd yet there is a simple counterproof. Walk into an IRS office after not paying your Income Tax for a decade and announce you've not been paying your Income Tax. Enjoy your jail time, and the loss of your house for back taxes.
Your income is not entirely *yours*, you self-centered idiots. You are able to earn a goddamn wage because you can get to your job via tax-funded roads. You have a relatively stable civic environment because you have tax funded police and fire departments. The work that you do, directly or indirectly, is enabled by the fact that people can actually buy the product or service that you're offering... which they wouldn't be able to do (or care about) if we didn't have tax-funded education so that *they* could have a job other than hunter-gatherer. The computer you're using to post to Digg probably wouldn't have been around for at least another 20 years without the government pouring money into defense (read your damn electronics history and see how many times governmental agencies funded the research). Yes, there is absolutely waste in government, but this is true regardless of the type of government or lack thereof... including anarchy.If you're going to focus entirely on the negative aspects of government without looking at any of the advantages you get from living in a society, you're not doing a real cost benefit analysis, are you? It's trivially easy to make anything look bad if you just ignore everything but the cost.We live in a freaking society. You don't have absolute rights - even the ones that we've all agreed are important enough to enshrine in our Constitution are conditional. You can't claim religious freedom to commit human sacrifice. You can't claim your right to bear arms gives you the right to assemble nuclear weapons in your backyard.Get some sort of grip on reality, please. Or check out, sell all the crap that you own, and move somewhere where you can revert to tribalism. You'll have all the freedom that you want.
FTA: "Although the investigation uncovered no examples of lives turned upside down or businesses disrupted, the privacy problems went beyond the theoretical in a few instances."So that's the worst of it? Really? You people are hopeless.
Closed AccountDec 17, 2008
Did that actually happen? Or like everyone else simply stating that it could happen?
novenatorDec 18, 2008
maybe you don't believe in the right to privacy as protected in the bill or rights, but the rest of us do. warrantless wiretapping in itself is a form of tyranny
thetedster180Dec 18, 2008
a republic in the sense that everyones right are protected, including the right to ones income.
maximoo2Dec 18, 2008
But i thought the income tax was only a temporary measure to raise funds in WW.2?
elduderenoDec 19, 2008
Keep the people afraid by one means or another ie tell them their phones are tapped 24/7 and they will be compliant slaves. If you cant make them love you make them fear you.
padraic2112Dec 19, 2008
@ rugrat54> I have just proved to you that the Income tax is voluntaryAnd yet there is a simple counterproof. Walk into an IRS office after not paying your Income Tax for a decade and announce you've not been paying your Income Tax. Enjoy your jail time, and the loss of your house for back taxes.
padraic2112Dec 19, 2008
Your income is not entirely *yours*, you self-centered idiots. You are able to earn a goddamn wage because you can get to your job via tax-funded roads. You have a relatively stable civic environment because you have tax funded police and fire departments. The work that you do, directly or indirectly, is enabled by the fact that people can actually buy the product or service that you're offering... which they wouldn't be able to do (or care about) if we didn't have tax-funded education so that *they* could have a job other than hunter-gatherer. The computer you're using to post to Digg probably wouldn't have been around for at least another 20 years without the government pouring money into defense (read your damn electronics history and see how many times governmental agencies funded the research). Yes, there is absolutely waste in government, but this is true regardless of the type of government or lack thereof... including anarchy.If you're going to focus entirely on the negative aspects of government without looking at any of the advantages you get from living in a society, you're not doing a real cost benefit analysis, are you? It's trivially easy to make anything look bad if you just ignore everything but the cost.We live in a freaking society. You don't have absolute rights - even the ones that we've all agreed are important enough to enshrine in our Constitution are conditional. You can't claim religious freedom to commit human sacrifice. You can't claim your right to bear arms gives you the right to assemble nuclear weapons in your backyard.Get some sort of grip on reality, please. Or check out, sell all the crap that you own, and move somewhere where you can revert to tribalism. You'll have all the freedom that you want.
Closed AccountDec 20, 2008
The founding fathers didn't believe in a right to privacy. That was interpreted some 200 years after the Bill of Rights was written.
Closed AccountDec 20, 2008
FTA: "Although the investigation uncovered no examples of lives turned upside down or businesses disrupted, the privacy problems went beyond the theoretical in a few instances."So that's the worst of it? Really? You people are hopeless.