thinkprogress.org— In a letter to constituents, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) warns "American citizens" to "wake up" or "there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office."
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"the Muslim slaughter of 200,000 Christians on East Timor has nothing to do with the fact that the Portugese owned it till 1970's, it was never part of Indonesia since Indonesia was not a united country 500 years ago. If I remember correctly all of these were done in the name of Islam."Oh my God you have to be f**king kidding me?Are you this f**king stupid? My God, these LGF idiots always talk out of their f**king asses.Suharto never murdered the 200,000 East Timorese in the name of Islam. Here's what really happened. After decolonization from Portugal in 1975, various political groups formed on the island. In August one of the parties the UDT formed a coup against the Portuguese rule which was instigated by Indonesia. A civil war broke out and leftist party leader Fretilin gained support. By September Fretilin had won and in November, East Timor was independant from Portugal. Nine days later Indonesia invaded East Timor. The invasion was launched the day after US President Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger left Indonesia after giving President Suharto permission to use American arms, which under US law could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was Washington's most valuble asset in SE Asia and in any event the US did not take kindly to any leftist government. Indonesia soon achieved complete control over East Timor, with the help of American arms and diplomatic support. Daniel Moynihan who was the UN ambassador at the time, later wrote "The United States wished things to turn out as they did and worked to bring this about. The Department of State desired that the UN prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook. This task was given to me, and I carried it forward with no inconsiderable success."Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops had killed 200,000 people out of a population of some 650,000. The United States stood alone in the world in its consistent support of Indonesia's claim to East Timor, and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training needed to carry out the job. Despite denials to the contrary, Washington continued this military aid up to and including the period of extensive massacres of pro-independence Timorese in 1999. In 1995, a senior official of the Clinton administration, speaking of Suharto, said: "He's our kind of guy."So take that you f**king moron. What do you have to say about Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger actively encouraging it?!?!
Some of this rhetoric sounds frighteningly familiar."By destroying the German people, the Jew wants to stop up the spring from which, since the beginning, the world has always found its creative blood, the source of all that is beautiful, good and noble. By destroying the German people, the Jew wants to wipe out the core of Germandom, the source from the very beginning of time of the human strength that preserved it from being ruined by the Jews. The war the German people are fighting today is a holy war. It is a war against the devil. The German people must win this war if the devil is to die and humanity is to live."<a class="user" href="http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ds15.htm">http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ds15.htm</a>
We are so used to being disgusted by racism and discrimination that we forget that sometimes there really is a good reason for the discrimination in the first place. If I told you how nasty the nazis were, would you be equally protective of their "right" to oppress others?I know a few muslims seeking a better life here in the states, and they seem to be wonderful people and I wish them only good things. However, the muslims in the middle east appear to be of a different stripe, all you have to do is look at their laws to see how oppressive their attitude really is. While I actually feel sorry for them concerning how both the US and Isreal is bombing the s**t out of their country -no one deserves that- I can't forget how nasty their religious mandates really are.This is not a black or white issue, many shades of grey. Automatically saying "those poor discriminated muslims" is not the whole story.
Why is it every time the Christians are brought into this we go back to what happened in the past, lets face it, a country which is mainly Christan is more likely to accept people of any nationality and welcome them, than Muslim occupied countries, if I am wrong, then why are there so many Muslims living abroad.People have mentioned the crusade's, how long ago was that, I thought it was the 21st Century, and lets face it, a lot of these fanatics are living in the pass.
absolutely right, but didn't those immigrants integrate into society, if the Muslims in America are anything like here in Australia, they said out straight, that they will not integrate into Australia, some are even now claiming Australia is a Muslim Country, the main problem is some of these Muslims and their Clerics need to engage their brains before their mouths, half the so called racist rants are from comments made by the Muslims them selves.
It's all about loving diversity no matter the cost. Just look at how Europe has been infested with these murderous, terrorist, scum. They are nothing more than Locusts in human form, devouring every culture they infiltrate. Raping, rioting, destroying. This is their history. Prove me wrong.
@VolatileWhimsy:I concede that my comment about the Catholics being aggressors in Ireland was inaccurate. My only defense is that I don't often spend much time researching Digg comments. The general point I made, however, was that the Catholic church is hardly the shining beacon of Christian non-violence that it was being painted as. My one inaccurate support does not negate the rest of the argument, which I assure you is quite infallible.The article you linked to is absolute bulls**t however, because the guys arguing in it say that the Crusades (especially the first) were a defensive act. They make the argument that sweeping in to conquer the land was justified because the crusaders were merely reclaiming lands that had been Christian for longer than they'd been Muslim. The point they ignored was that the lands had been Jewish for far longer than they'd ever been Christian and that if they want to use that logic to determine ownership, then they were simply slaughtering Muslims and Jews to take land back from the Muslims that they'd stolen from the Christians which the Christians (via Rome) had stolen from the Jews. The Jews' conquering of Israel can be found in what Christians refer to as The Holy Bible (aka the Torah), and the people that were driven out of that land several thousand years ago by the original Israelite tribes do not exist in any unified form today to stake a claim on the land. I have respect for the Hoover Institution, but the argument made in that article is logically flawed. ;) Look for the irony in my words. Look for it.@repins:I never said it was okay for the Catholics to be violent in the past, and I never said it was okay for the Muslims to be violent now. I was stressing that it isn't okay for us to generalize Muslims as aggressors because that's an extremist thing.
Closed AccountDec 20, 2006
"the Muslim slaughter of 200,000 Christians on East Timor has nothing to do with the fact that the Portugese owned it till 1970's, it was never part of Indonesia since Indonesia was not a united country 500 years ago. If I remember correctly all of these were done in the name of Islam."Oh my God you have to be f**king kidding me?Are you this f**king stupid? My God, these LGF idiots always talk out of their f**king asses.Suharto never murdered the 200,000 East Timorese in the name of Islam. Here's what really happened. After decolonization from Portugal in 1975, various political groups formed on the island. In August one of the parties the UDT formed a coup against the Portuguese rule which was instigated by Indonesia. A civil war broke out and leftist party leader Fretilin gained support. By September Fretilin had won and in November, East Timor was independant from Portugal. Nine days later Indonesia invaded East Timor. The invasion was launched the day after US President Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger left Indonesia after giving President Suharto permission to use American arms, which under US law could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was Washington's most valuble asset in SE Asia and in any event the US did not take kindly to any leftist government. Indonesia soon achieved complete control over East Timor, with the help of American arms and diplomatic support. Daniel Moynihan who was the UN ambassador at the time, later wrote "The United States wished things to turn out as they did and worked to bring this about. The Department of State desired that the UN prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook. This task was given to me, and I carried it forward with no inconsiderable success."Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops had killed 200,000 people out of a population of some 650,000. The United States stood alone in the world in its consistent support of Indonesia's claim to East Timor, and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training needed to carry out the job. Despite denials to the contrary, Washington continued this military aid up to and including the period of extensive massacres of pro-independence Timorese in 1999. In 1995, a senior official of the Clinton administration, speaking of Suharto, said: "He's our kind of guy."So take that you f**king moron. What do you have to say about Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger actively encouraging it?!?!
rickhavocDec 20, 2006
Some of this rhetoric sounds frighteningly familiar."By destroying the German people, the Jew wants to stop up the spring from which, since the beginning, the world has always found its creative blood, the source of all that is beautiful, good and noble. By destroying the German people, the Jew wants to wipe out the core of Germandom, the source from the very beginning of time of the human strength that preserved it from being ruined by the Jews. The war the German people are fighting today is a holy war. It is a war against the devil. The German people must win this war if the devil is to die and humanity is to live."<a class="user" href="http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ds15.htm">http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ds15.htm</a>
fushbuckDec 21, 2006
We are so used to being disgusted by racism and discrimination that we forget that sometimes there really is a good reason for the discrimination in the first place. If I told you how nasty the nazis were, would you be equally protective of their "right" to oppress others?I know a few muslims seeking a better life here in the states, and they seem to be wonderful people and I wish them only good things. However, the muslims in the middle east appear to be of a different stripe, all you have to do is look at their laws to see how oppressive their attitude really is. While I actually feel sorry for them concerning how both the US and Isreal is bombing the s**t out of their country -no one deserves that- I can't forget how nasty their religious mandates really are.This is not a black or white issue, many shades of grey. Automatically saying "those poor discriminated muslims" is not the whole story.
monkthehonkDec 21, 2006
Can someone say racist B$tch?
azzrikDec 21, 2006
Why is it every time the Christians are brought into this we go back to what happened in the past, lets face it, a country which is mainly Christan is more likely to accept people of any nationality and welcome them, than Muslim occupied countries, if I am wrong, then why are there so many Muslims living abroad.People have mentioned the crusade's, how long ago was that, I thought it was the 21st Century, and lets face it, a lot of these fanatics are living in the pass.
azzrikDec 21, 2006
absolutely right, but didn't those immigrants integrate into society, if the Muslims in America are anything like here in Australia, they said out straight, that they will not integrate into Australia, some are even now claiming Australia is a Muslim Country, the main problem is some of these Muslims and their Clerics need to engage their brains before their mouths, half the so called racist rants are from comments made by the Muslims them selves.
Closed AccountDec 21, 2006
azzrik, Muslims in America do actively integrate and consider themselves Americans.
entity3sfDec 25, 2006
It's all about loving diversity no matter the cost. Just look at how Europe has been infested with these murderous, terrorist, scum. They are nothing more than Locusts in human form, devouring every culture they infiltrate. Raping, rioting, destroying. This is their history. Prove me wrong.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2007
@VolatileWhimsy:I concede that my comment about the Catholics being aggressors in Ireland was inaccurate. My only defense is that I don't often spend much time researching Digg comments. The general point I made, however, was that the Catholic church is hardly the shining beacon of Christian non-violence that it was being painted as. My one inaccurate support does not negate the rest of the argument, which I assure you is quite infallible.The article you linked to is absolute bulls**t however, because the guys arguing in it say that the Crusades (especially the first) were a defensive act. They make the argument that sweeping in to conquer the land was justified because the crusaders were merely reclaiming lands that had been Christian for longer than they'd been Muslim. The point they ignored was that the lands had been Jewish for far longer than they'd ever been Christian and that if they want to use that logic to determine ownership, then they were simply slaughtering Muslims and Jews to take land back from the Muslims that they'd stolen from the Christians which the Christians (via Rome) had stolen from the Jews. The Jews' conquering of Israel can be found in what Christians refer to as The Holy Bible (aka the Torah), and the people that were driven out of that land several thousand years ago by the original Israelite tribes do not exist in any unified form today to stake a claim on the land. I have respect for the Hoover Institution, but the argument made in that article is logically flawed. ;) Look for the irony in my words. Look for it.@repins:I never said it was okay for the Catholics to be violent in the past, and I never said it was okay for the Muslims to be violent now. I was stressing that it isn't okay for us to generalize Muslims as aggressors because that's an extremist thing.
coreydoucoreyApr 22, 2007
Nice indeed. Is anyone able to open this link?