silentmajority09.blogspot.com— Okay, now I think things have gotten a little out of hand. Let?s start with Florida's latest attempt to legislate stupidity.
Apr 2, 2009View in Crawl 4
When you find an argument here that prisoners are "vermin" you'll have a point. Furthermore yours is the first mention I noticed in the thread of an argument that giving out condoms would "condone" the acts.Since you've evidently misunderstood what I wrote, I'll expand it for you:The prisoners aren't going to use condoms.Giving them condoms is a waste of money.Having legislators argue about it is a waste of their time.
Your need to paint your opposition as preferring people get AIDS is a good example of why Republicans have given up on reasoning as a method of communication with Democrats. Your inability to express yourself without obscenity just makes us wish you'd get an education.
The "vermin" comment is from the article.The article states that this proposed policy of providing condoms is a sign of approval for the act of rape in prison. Personally, I don't think it does.I don't think condoms are the solution to the problem, but I don't think it would hurt to make them available to those that will use them. Sure, like I said, I can't imagine anyone taking to time to do so while they rape someone... but I can't imagine raping someone either. I'm not a criminal.From what I can tell, the condoms will be provided by a non-profit or public health organization that gives out free condoms to the public already, and the only additional cost or concern for the facilities will be their disposal. I'd be worried about prisoners flushing them, cause that will mess up the plumbing, and I don't see the person who stops to use a condom before raping someone else taking that used condom to an appropriate repository where they might have to explain themselves.There ARE serious implications of a policy such as this, but I disagree with the author of this article in that the most important and shocking aspect of the program is the figurative and philosophical condoning of violent and abusive acts.I personally think our legislators need to spend more time wasted on the problem of our failed prison systems, including the issue of sex & rape among convicts, rather than less. Hopefully, it won't go like this:"Let's just give them condoms!""Ok, sounds good. Now, how do we go about locking up more nonviolent offenders for longer periods of time to grow our prison economy even more? Can't outsource prison guard jobs to india, you know."California, for example is in a crisis, with overflowing prisons. They are working on strategies and procedures to release the least threatening and violent of prisoners, but the prison guard unions are opposed. Why? Overcrowding equals overtime. They have a financial imperative to keep more people locked up for longer periods of time, and that is a conflict of interest that should be recognized and reviled as the evil, anti-justice stance that it is.When we profit on the suffering of others we really do loose our moral high ground. Providing condoms to those imprisoned does not add more than an inch of disgusting corruption to the tower of waste and abuse we know as our criminal justice system.We've turned incarceration into a lucrative business, and that needs to be fixed before we can really bitch about the nuts and bolts of the problems this larger implication creates.
covenApr 2, 2009
Jeff, condoms are more effective than you're giving them credit for. According to an 2000 NIH study, latex condom use reduced HIV transmission rates by 85%. Source: <a class="user" href="http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/about/organization/dmid/PDF/condomReport.pdf">http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/about/organization/dmid/ ...</a>
covenApr 2, 2009
Mazel Tov, Jeff! That's fantastic news :)
johnyaya137Apr 2, 2009
When you find an argument here that prisoners are "vermin" you'll have a point. Furthermore yours is the first mention I noticed in the thread of an argument that giving out condoms would "condone" the acts.Since you've evidently misunderstood what I wrote, I'll expand it for you:The prisoners aren't going to use condoms.Giving them condoms is a waste of money.Having legislators argue about it is a waste of their time.
johnyaya137Apr 2, 2009
Your need to paint your opposition as preferring people get AIDS is a good example of why Republicans have given up on reasoning as a method of communication with Democrats. Your inability to express yourself without obscenity just makes us wish you'd get an education.
frankyfan3Apr 2, 2009
The "vermin" comment is from the article.The article states that this proposed policy of providing condoms is a sign of approval for the act of rape in prison. Personally, I don't think it does.I don't think condoms are the solution to the problem, but I don't think it would hurt to make them available to those that will use them. Sure, like I said, I can't imagine anyone taking to time to do so while they rape someone... but I can't imagine raping someone either. I'm not a criminal.From what I can tell, the condoms will be provided by a non-profit or public health organization that gives out free condoms to the public already, and the only additional cost or concern for the facilities will be their disposal. I'd be worried about prisoners flushing them, cause that will mess up the plumbing, and I don't see the person who stops to use a condom before raping someone else taking that used condom to an appropriate repository where they might have to explain themselves.There ARE serious implications of a policy such as this, but I disagree with the author of this article in that the most important and shocking aspect of the program is the figurative and philosophical condoning of violent and abusive acts.I personally think our legislators need to spend more time wasted on the problem of our failed prison systems, including the issue of sex & rape among convicts, rather than less. Hopefully, it won't go like this:"Let's just give them condoms!""Ok, sounds good. Now, how do we go about locking up more nonviolent offenders for longer periods of time to grow our prison economy even more? Can't outsource prison guard jobs to india, you know."California, for example is in a crisis, with overflowing prisons. They are working on strategies and procedures to release the least threatening and violent of prisoners, but the prison guard unions are opposed. Why? Overcrowding equals overtime. They have a financial imperative to keep more people locked up for longer periods of time, and that is a conflict of interest that should be recognized and reviled as the evil, anti-justice stance that it is.When we profit on the suffering of others we really do loose our moral high ground. Providing condoms to those imprisoned does not add more than an inch of disgusting corruption to the tower of waste and abuse we know as our criminal justice system.We've turned incarceration into a lucrative business, and that needs to be fixed before we can really bitch about the nuts and bolts of the problems this larger implication creates.
hinchbApr 3, 2009
NICE BURN, MAN, EXCEPT NOT SO MUCH