huffingtonpost.com — An undercover video shot by an animal rights group at an Iowa egg hatchery shows workers discarding unwanted chicks by sending them alive into a grinder, and other chicks falling through a sorting machine to die on the factory floor.
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kaleoaSep 2, 2009
I'd like to see the look on a vegan's face if one day scientists discover that plants feel pain. And not only do they feel pain but they scream out in horrible agony when they are killed, we just can't hear them. Ah, now I'm going to go eat some steak and eggs while I ponder what a terrific day that would be.
markdtn8Sep 3, 2009
Am amazed at how people suddenly know what is "painless" when it comes to being fround up. When was the last time you had a full body grinding? AMAZING. What do we want... we want people to understand there's more humane ways of doing things. Is that really a lot to ask for? Disregard for life is just an apalling ego-based human disease.
boneheadfarkerSep 3, 2009
@kylekey Yeah, that was kinda rushed. Had to go do something that actually mattered. Anyways, let's address the E. coli first. The outbreak in the spinach case was indeed caused by pigs. Wild feral pigs. The kind that you like, running around free from humans. It wasn't caused by farming, and it wasn't caused by meat eaters. These things happen. The only way to prevent this from ever happening again would be to kill all animals and only grow plant food in a clean room environment.Now then, let's address the free-range farming. Please don't try to tell me that the mennonites at the farmers market don't let their chickens run around. You can actually go to the farm and see them. The whole world isn't full of the animal-hating flesh-craving monsters you like to focus on.And you're really not one to talk about unsupported tidbits of information. Everything you post comes from a vegan website. If there were any more bias on that site, they'd have a chance at a Fox News primetime slot. Try looking for information from sources other than the ones that back up your own personal biases.As for my first paragraph, that was for llamaspit and the foolish "evil meat industry lobby groups" arguement. That could be said for any industry, including the whole vegan craze. From where I stand, I see it as a huge money grab. But I really don't care if you want to spend your money on it. Let me make that clear...I don't care if you're vegan, I don't care what you spend your money on, and I really don't care about your strange aversions. But don't go around spouting fear and bulls**t to get people on board the vegan bandwagon. All you do is turn people off of even trying any of it.Now that I've addressed your points, are you happy now?
kylekeySep 3, 2009
@BoneheadFarker: I never said there were no good farms, I said that "free range" as a term is meaningless, and that it can't be relied upon as an indication of good or sustainable animal husbandry practices. If everyone did actually "go to the farm" that their food comes from, a lot more people would be vegan and the ones who still wanted to eat meat would start supporting small, local farmers instead of the factory farms hidden from public view. I definitely encourage that."Try looking for information from sources other than the ones that back up your own personal biases." You haven't successfully argued against anything on the site. Every statement on the website is cited with original sources, the vast majority of which are from farm industry articles (straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak), college agriculture professors, and major news outlets. I encourage you to read it and see if you can argue against any of the points made."I really don't care about your strange aversions"Aversion to suffering is strange? Maybe if you're a masochist.
janusindustriesSep 4, 2009
So these chicks are better off on family farms? What do you think the family farms do with the male chicks. The way my grandpa always did it was to just throw them in a bucket with water. I would think that's a much worse fate than the second it takes to go through the grinder. I can't really believe people didn't know this sort of thing was happening. Maybe it's because I spent a lot of time on the farms around my home that this video has absolutely no shock value to it for me.
Closed AccountSep 4, 2009
I have no conflict. What you state is true. I buried you because you were condescending. Feel free to bury me too. I don't mind.This is actually a fairly quick way to kill these animals. I guess what bothers me is that they are killed within a few hours of hatching. These cute little buggers can't help but tug at one's heart strings.Oh, and just because I don't care enough to do something about animal cruelty it doesn't mean I'm not glad that there are people in this world that do.P.S. I am a hunter if that makes it easier for you to bury me :) Take care.
drawdsSep 4, 2009
Why did you only focus on one of my points? And how do you answer for the teeth of the gorillas (and pandas and others) who are way sharper than ours and yet are mostly vegetarian?And if we are omnivores, that means that we can survive on plants alone, which is obviously true, otherwise there would be no vegetarians in this planet, they'd all be dead!Carnivores (like cats) would die on a plant based diet.I have been a vegetarian for 15 years and I am extremely healthy and well. And so are millions of vegetarians and vegans across the world, who often outlive the omnivores.And so if we have a choice to survive without meat, then how can we morally justify the brutal slaughter and treatment of creatures who have feelings the same as us?Wouldn't it be the most benevolent choice to abstain from eating animals altogether?Isn't it in the consumer's hands to shape the demand of products and the morals of our society?It was once considered normal and acceptable to have slaves. For thousands of years that was the case. But today it is not legal nor socially acceptable to enslave someone. Things change and evolve for the better, to give rights to the less powerful (African tribes with no weapons, women, children and the elderly have all historically suffered from lack of rights)In certain parts of Asia it is still both legal and common practice to stone women to death if they cheat on their husbands.I am sure that the people there will have all sorts of justifications for the actions. But we find it morally unacceptable in our society. Who's right? We are of course!What veggies are doing is extending our morals beyond the law to give rights to creatures who (like children) don't have a voice of their own to fight for their rights.May I recommend you watch www.watchearthlings.com - which shows standard industry practices that are kept hidden from the consumers.
sneakyninjaSep 14, 2009
I didn't have a lapse in logic, I was just making a point. If you just flipped the switch on the meat industry, you'd be putting yourself in a moral dilemma. On one hand you have the issue of inhumane deaths of animals, on the other you have impact of those animals negatively impacting the environment. Actually to be the most effective you're approach is correct. If you slowly decreased the supply, you'd increase the cost of the meat and lower the demand. Eventually, you would still have people eating meat, but due to the high cost/profit, mass production wouldn't be necessary.
Closed AccountOct 30, 2009
@Hikaruzero,Everything you just said was bulls**t, speak up some real thoughts not that dribble and maybe I'll change my mind.
Closed AccountOct 30, 2009
Also, DotGet, as cute as these chicks are they really are no where near our intellect as we are two totally different species.I'll still eat my eggs with my full english. nomnomnom. Still tastes great.However, if they have half dead chicks on the floor, and maybe that part about cutting the beaks off because it has a lot of nerve endings in it is illegal. Personally, I don't really care, it's not my operation, not my business, and I'm not qualified to do anything about it. I don't think these chicks are worthy of me doing anything more than writing a comment on digg.com to you. But what I will say is that if you care so much, study law, or animal rights, and visit places like this. You could make sure that there aren't half dead chicks on the floor, and feel like you personally are making a difference.That's if you're really that bothered, you can make a change.
Closed AccountOct 30, 2009
Plants don't have a brain to feel pain or emotions.If a plant is in pain, what can it do? It can't move to move its self out of the fire. So a plant actually feeling pain is useless in evolutionary terms.