thinkprogress.org— On Friday, Lynne Cheney repeatedly attacked CNN for having a liberal bias during a combative appearance on the Situation Room.
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Rand sounds very humanist. People who hold Humanism as their philosophy tend to be liberal in my experience. It is a shame if she really is influencing the right, like a wolf in sheep's skin. It isn't right to hold me accountable for every so-called conservative idea. I don't hold every liberal accountable for believing that the 9/11 victims deserved it, I realize that many liberals would agree that the professor from Colorado is very extreme in his views. You must understand that I don't agree with every conservative, especially the extreme ones as you point out. Also, I'm pretty sure any typical Republican doesn't stand for torture, Bush included. What we do stand for is an effective strategy on terrorism. Not some sort of, to use Ah-nold's words, girly strategy. And all this won't lead to the government beating random people senseless (or if you would cry police brutality on this, then I'd rephrase it as 'it won't add any more to what already is'). I'm not sure if you actually want to debate about these specific issues, or are simply saying that Republicans suck, so I'll end there.
@Bishop"CNN blows. It shows in their ratings. FoxNews has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC put together.""I hope people can see political debate shouldn't consist of name-calling and knee-jerk responses."Both of these are from you.....You are going to talk about knee jerk reactions?!?!? These are your words. If you equate ratings with truth, there is obviously much you have to learn.
@spartan777 ........."Rand sounds very humanist. ".........Humanist? Rand? Lol. ... her kooky followers are so far rightwing they make Republicans look like communists.. Profit with no concern for the lives of their fellow humans Think Ferengi not human. Extremist elitists like these are why the anti-thesis communism arose in the first place. Although they claim they support capitalism they are essentially just greedy cultist opportunists that wish to dismantle government so there is no accountability for whomever they deem "the elite" (themselves of course)..In otherwords... tyrants. I'm surprised you don't know this. ........."It isn't right to hold me accountable for every so-called conservative idea. I don't hold every liberal accountable for believing that the 9/11 victims deserved it, I realize that many liberals would agree that the professor from Colorado is very extreme in his views.".........Then why did you bring up the issue? Sorry.... you seem to want to eat your cake and have it too. Unfortunately partisan politics have decayed into this and in my opinion its because of far right tactics of be merciless against "the enemy ". This is silly since we agree on many issues too. However I've been listening to character-assassins like Limbaugh, Coultier, Beck, O'Reilly and others turn liberals into the anti-christ for well over a decade now. I never even thought of myself as left or right until it kept getting hammered in my ear "your either with everything we say... or your own of them". That almost sounds like fascism to me.. so I 've come to fear Republicans... not admire them. The vile disgust you are seeing against Republicans today are just average people tired of listening to personal attacks on their character because they may disagree on some issues with one of the two great parties in America. I believe the expression is... what goes around comes around. They also don't appreciate their civil libertiesslowly being taken from them either. Even though I disagree with you on several issues you seem pretty reasonable but unfortunately I can't take a chance the current generation of far right Republicans will remain in office. So no offense to you personally... I'm still going to call them incompetent heartless assh~les until both congress and the executive falls to the Democrats. (which both will) The Democrats might not have a direction at the moment but that might actually turn out to be a good thing. We all need a break from the rhetoric and to just get back to basics like balancing budgets and the day to day details of running government. Republicans are at war with everyone and this hysteria is no good for anyone... even Republicans.........." You must understand that I don't agree with every conservative, especially the extreme ones as you point out. Also, I'm pretty sure any typical Republican doesn't stand for torture, Bush included. What we do stand for is an effective strategy on terrorism. ".........But it clearly has NOT been effective. How many terrorist attacks were their in Iraq before we invaded?. Do you understand Iraq is going to become an theocratic republic once we leave? Even if we stayed for decades more (at the cost of trillions) do you honestly believe millions of people will suddenly change their mind about us? Bush's rhetoric has only encouraged North Korea to get nukes and Iran to want them. Expect more nations to follow if we keep using force. No nation wants to be attacked by us simply because we're paranoid since 9/11. Please explain how does this macho attitude help us in the war against terrorism? IMHO It was a waste of hundreds of billions of dollars and Republican tough talk made things far WORSE not better. If anything these people demand a little respect of their sovereignty.... not us pretending like we own the world. This ain't WW2 were we shared broad political support. If anything strongarm tactics are isolating us in the world. Public opinion matters... especially if you wish to win a war on terrorism. Its time to start working with the UN. We've tried the opposite and it DOESN'T work. If you think that being toughguys doesn't come with the threat of being nuked you are mistaken.We are not in some position of strength here. We may have nuke aces but if we use them it will pretty well guarantee our own cities will be eventually secretly nuked in response. Mad will not work against people willing to die for their cause.Time for America to join the international community again not continue to make enemies by flaunting everyone else's opinions.
@KetemphorI never said the US Health care system was a pinnacle, but it is the best available as far as I've seen.What I did say is that a lot of Japanese people (and people from other countries as well, I just happen to help the Japanese ones because that's a language I can speak) come to the US in order to have major surgeries. Why? Because socialized medicine in Japan is a joke (as it tends to be everywhere it has been implemented).I have lived in Japan, Australia, Singapore, India, Canada, US, and Hong Kong, and some other places. What countries have you lived in to make your comparisons? Also, the problems with Americas life expectancies have a lot more to do with our awful eating and exercise habits than anything else. In India, when you order a meal, it doesn't come to you in a trough and in Japan, when you go somewhere, you usually walk or ride a bike. Americans drive to the end of the driveway to pick up the mail."Universal health care has the opportunity to take up a lot of slack out of the system that's current going to bottom-line profits and bureaucracy."I completely disagree. Universal health care sticks government right in the middle of health care. Insurance companies have screwed up America's health care system enough as it is. Adding government bureaucracy will only make things worse. Also, I have to ask, how much of this .6% infant mortality rate has to do with factors other than health care? Statistics are meaningless unless the whys behind them are answered.To answer your question, I have been sick without insurance and I have had children without insurance in America. I have also been sick and had children in Japan with government insurance. If we would have had our second child in Japan, it would have died. Since we had it in America, it lived. Was it expensive? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes.You can blame the high medical costs in America directly on two things: Americans love for lawsuits and insurance companies. Do you really think that is going to change with universal health care? It isn't."People coming to this country for surgery are few and far between and are almost exclusively coming here for relatively rare and/or esoteric procedures."Huh? I beg to differ. I'm dealing with people coming from Japan for things like standard bypass surgery on a constant basis, and that is only at one university hospital."Oftimes at the expense of their countries health care system in the first place."I thought we were talking about the quality of health care, not who was going to pick up the tab. If America burdens itself with universal health care, you won't go one generation before the quality of health care here is lessened to the same substandard levels it is in other socialized countries."I know this is off topic, but this just set me off this morning."And Americans who are pro-universal health care set me off. They spout of numbers and statistics, but they have never had to live with it. I don't give a damn about the cost, if my kids life is at stake, I would pick an American hospital with American doctors over any socialized medicine every single time. Every place I have ever lived that had socialized medicine has had crap for health care. Sure, you can get some cold pills when you are sick, but only after waiting 3 weeks to see a doctor. By then, I'm usually better or dead.Americans that believe government handouts are the answer to everything piss me off.Americans are damn lucky to have what they have, yet a lot of them want to piss it away.
@firebush"Herolint, how many 'social programs' could have been paid for with 300 billion dollars?"Why should I have to work so that you can go to the government for a handout? Screw that! Social programs encourage people to be lazy as they suck at government's teat. Pay for your own crap or look to charitable organizations for help. Charity does not belong in the government."Not only that, but how many social programs could have been paid for using the Bush tax cuts alone?"And how many jobs has Bush's tax cuts created and what effects has it had on our economy? I'm all for jobs. Social programs are for worthless entitlement pansies."Answer? You would still have money left over in the bank."And you would have less jobs and a nation of do nothing filch-monkeys.
jimmyikonOct 30, 2006
Here's the actual interview. <a class="user" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_Dobbs_Fox_differ_on_outcome_1028.html">http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_Dobbs_Fox_differ_on_outcome_1028.html</a>
spartan777Oct 30, 2006
Rand sounds very humanist. People who hold Humanism as their philosophy tend to be liberal in my experience. It is a shame if she really is influencing the right, like a wolf in sheep's skin. It isn't right to hold me accountable for every so-called conservative idea. I don't hold every liberal accountable for believing that the 9/11 victims deserved it, I realize that many liberals would agree that the professor from Colorado is very extreme in his views. You must understand that I don't agree with every conservative, especially the extreme ones as you point out. Also, I'm pretty sure any typical Republican doesn't stand for torture, Bush included. What we do stand for is an effective strategy on terrorism. Not some sort of, to use Ah-nold's words, girly strategy. And all this won't lead to the government beating random people senseless (or if you would cry police brutality on this, then I'd rephrase it as 'it won't add any more to what already is'). I'm not sure if you actually want to debate about these specific issues, or are simply saying that Republicans suck, so I'll end there.
polygoneOct 30, 2006
@Bishop"CNN blows. It shows in their ratings. FoxNews has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC put together.""I hope people can see political debate shouldn't consist of name-calling and knee-jerk responses."Both of these are from you.....You are going to talk about knee jerk reactions?!?!? These are your words. If you equate ratings with truth, there is obviously much you have to learn.
thereOct 30, 2006
@spartan777 ........."Rand sounds very humanist. ".........Humanist? Rand? Lol. ... her kooky followers are so far rightwing they make Republicans look like communists.. Profit with no concern for the lives of their fellow humans Think Ferengi not human. Extremist elitists like these are why the anti-thesis communism arose in the first place. Although they claim they support capitalism they are essentially just greedy cultist opportunists that wish to dismantle government so there is no accountability for whomever they deem "the elite" (themselves of course)..In otherwords... tyrants. I'm surprised you don't know this. ........."It isn't right to hold me accountable for every so-called conservative idea. I don't hold every liberal accountable for believing that the 9/11 victims deserved it, I realize that many liberals would agree that the professor from Colorado is very extreme in his views.".........Then why did you bring up the issue? Sorry.... you seem to want to eat your cake and have it too. Unfortunately partisan politics have decayed into this and in my opinion its because of far right tactics of be merciless against "the enemy ". This is silly since we agree on many issues too. However I've been listening to character-assassins like Limbaugh, Coultier, Beck, O'Reilly and others turn liberals into the anti-christ for well over a decade now. I never even thought of myself as left or right until it kept getting hammered in my ear "your either with everything we say... or your own of them". That almost sounds like fascism to me.. so I 've come to fear Republicans... not admire them. The vile disgust you are seeing against Republicans today are just average people tired of listening to personal attacks on their character because they may disagree on some issues with one of the two great parties in America. I believe the expression is... what goes around comes around. They also don't appreciate their civil libertiesslowly being taken from them either. Even though I disagree with you on several issues you seem pretty reasonable but unfortunately I can't take a chance the current generation of far right Republicans will remain in office. So no offense to you personally... I'm still going to call them incompetent heartless assh~les until both congress and the executive falls to the Democrats. (which both will) The Democrats might not have a direction at the moment but that might actually turn out to be a good thing. We all need a break from the rhetoric and to just get back to basics like balancing budgets and the day to day details of running government. Republicans are at war with everyone and this hysteria is no good for anyone... even Republicans.........." You must understand that I don't agree with every conservative, especially the extreme ones as you point out. Also, I'm pretty sure any typical Republican doesn't stand for torture, Bush included. What we do stand for is an effective strategy on terrorism. ".........But it clearly has NOT been effective. How many terrorist attacks were their in Iraq before we invaded?. Do you understand Iraq is going to become an theocratic republic once we leave? Even if we stayed for decades more (at the cost of trillions) do you honestly believe millions of people will suddenly change their mind about us? Bush's rhetoric has only encouraged North Korea to get nukes and Iran to want them. Expect more nations to follow if we keep using force. No nation wants to be attacked by us simply because we're paranoid since 9/11. Please explain how does this macho attitude help us in the war against terrorism? IMHO It was a waste of hundreds of billions of dollars and Republican tough talk made things far WORSE not better. If anything these people demand a little respect of their sovereignty.... not us pretending like we own the world. This ain't WW2 were we shared broad political support. If anything strongarm tactics are isolating us in the world. Public opinion matters... especially if you wish to win a war on terrorism. Its time to start working with the UN. We've tried the opposite and it DOESN'T work. If you think that being toughguys doesn't come with the threat of being nuked you are mistaken.We are not in some position of strength here. We may have nuke aces but if we use them it will pretty well guarantee our own cities will be eventually secretly nuked in response. Mad will not work against people willing to die for their cause.Time for America to join the international community again not continue to make enemies by flaunting everyone else's opinions.
Closed AccountOct 30, 2006
They would be so lucky to work in a cube. They're stuck in their mother's basements, wondering why Daddy left them and when is he coming back?
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herolintNov 1, 2006
@KetemphorI never said the US Health care system was a pinnacle, but it is the best available as far as I've seen.What I did say is that a lot of Japanese people (and people from other countries as well, I just happen to help the Japanese ones because that's a language I can speak) come to the US in order to have major surgeries. Why? Because socialized medicine in Japan is a joke (as it tends to be everywhere it has been implemented).I have lived in Japan, Australia, Singapore, India, Canada, US, and Hong Kong, and some other places. What countries have you lived in to make your comparisons? Also, the problems with Americas life expectancies have a lot more to do with our awful eating and exercise habits than anything else. In India, when you order a meal, it doesn't come to you in a trough and in Japan, when you go somewhere, you usually walk or ride a bike. Americans drive to the end of the driveway to pick up the mail."Universal health care has the opportunity to take up a lot of slack out of the system that's current going to bottom-line profits and bureaucracy."I completely disagree. Universal health care sticks government right in the middle of health care. Insurance companies have screwed up America's health care system enough as it is. Adding government bureaucracy will only make things worse. Also, I have to ask, how much of this .6% infant mortality rate has to do with factors other than health care? Statistics are meaningless unless the whys behind them are answered.To answer your question, I have been sick without insurance and I have had children without insurance in America. I have also been sick and had children in Japan with government insurance. If we would have had our second child in Japan, it would have died. Since we had it in America, it lived. Was it expensive? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes.You can blame the high medical costs in America directly on two things: Americans love for lawsuits and insurance companies. Do you really think that is going to change with universal health care? It isn't."People coming to this country for surgery are few and far between and are almost exclusively coming here for relatively rare and/or esoteric procedures."Huh? I beg to differ. I'm dealing with people coming from Japan for things like standard bypass surgery on a constant basis, and that is only at one university hospital."Oftimes at the expense of their countries health care system in the first place."I thought we were talking about the quality of health care, not who was going to pick up the tab. If America burdens itself with universal health care, you won't go one generation before the quality of health care here is lessened to the same substandard levels it is in other socialized countries."I know this is off topic, but this just set me off this morning."And Americans who are pro-universal health care set me off. They spout of numbers and statistics, but they have never had to live with it. I don't give a damn about the cost, if my kids life is at stake, I would pick an American hospital with American doctors over any socialized medicine every single time. Every place I have ever lived that had socialized medicine has had crap for health care. Sure, you can get some cold pills when you are sick, but only after waiting 3 weeks to see a doctor. By then, I'm usually better or dead.Americans that believe government handouts are the answer to everything piss me off.Americans are damn lucky to have what they have, yet a lot of them want to piss it away.
herolintNov 1, 2006
@firebush"Herolint, how many 'social programs' could have been paid for with 300 billion dollars?"Why should I have to work so that you can go to the government for a handout? Screw that! Social programs encourage people to be lazy as they suck at government's teat. Pay for your own crap or look to charitable organizations for help. Charity does not belong in the government."Not only that, but how many social programs could have been paid for using the Bush tax cuts alone?"And how many jobs has Bush's tax cuts created and what effects has it had on our economy? I'm all for jobs. Social programs are for worthless entitlement pansies."Answer? You would still have money left over in the bank."And you would have less jobs and a nation of do nothing filch-monkeys.