crooksandliars.com — Bush spoke in Ohio today and blames YOU for lawsuits on doctors, not choosing the correct health plan, being in poor health?it goes on and on. His new talking point is the ?Federalization of health care.? The medical industry is freaking since Moore?s movie just came out. They need you dumbed down and Bush tries to do that for them.
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5urr3al5amJul 11, 2007
He talks for about 10 minutes about all different aspects of health care and speaks for 15-20 seconds saying that it would better if people didn't smoke.. but somehow the title is labeled as ITS ALL YOUR FAULT? Watch it yourself and then decide honestly if you think most of these posts are biased
revhelixJul 11, 2007
No one said it is the end all and be all.But it is better than none!
kingraoul3Jul 11, 2007
Did you know that profit margins have an inverse relationship with wages?Hmmmm.....
blaze4metalJul 11, 2007
I thought he picked that finger because he was a hopeless romantic! j/k
takalthJul 12, 2007
Want to see what Ron Paul has to say about Health Care?<a class="user" href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html">http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html</a>and<a class="user" href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul175.html">http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul175.html</a>I personally know a doctor like those he described in the second article, and the man made plenty of money.
almightyzamJul 12, 2007
I live in Milwaukee albeit in a suburban city (Muskego). I grew up in the Madison area, and as most people know, it's quite liberal around there. Unfortunately, areas around here are very conservative and republican, and it's very hard to deal with the ignorance of other people. It's even sadder to see how it gets passed down to their children. Most kids around here are either too ignorant to change their views, or are careless / carefree.
Closed AccountJul 13, 2007
I had to board my plane, long trip from Singapore. Anyways, you will prbly never read this but here it goes. The last statement was again a cop out. I will respond and then ask one last time for your moral justification to universal healthcare. ///"free market solution" which isn't free/// Obviously, who ever said free market meant free goods and services? (universal health care is not free either (unless you don’t pay taxes)) ///or optional/// Right now, I have the choice to purchase health care insurance, or not have any health care insurance, that makes it optional (please don’t reply about semantics, these are English words) ///other first world countries/// Many places I travel are not first world (on a side note, you don’t need proof of insurance in the US for emergency care, it is against the law for a hospital to deny you service). ///Where did you get that idea?/// I’ll give you a simple example. There are 100 people in country X, 5 are doctors. Each doctor can handle 20 patients. Everyone wants one doctor, the best one. See the math? ///system you're defending/// I’m not defending the current system. I’m arguing for a free market system. The current system has been made continuously more unaffordable with more gov’t involvement. You are the one arguing for total gov’t control, therefore more gov’t involvement, and therefore ///more of the same/// ///Learn how it's done in……/// I have, the US has the best medical services in the world (better than every country you listed). It provides the world with the greatest number of medical advancements. It has many of the greatest doctors and surgeons in the world, and is on the cutting edge of many new medical technologies. Now you may be saying, “true, but not for everyone,” and you’d be right. I never said it had the best medical care in the world “for everyone.” Now is where your emotionally driven elitism and collectivism ideas come in. All your arguments are based on ends, and as I have already pointed out multiple times the ends doesn’t justify the means. There are many ways to increase longevity of life, improve infant mortality, etc. that I can bang off right now, (ban alcohol, force people to work out, dictate diets, illegalize births for anyone under a certain income level). Obviously these are all morally wrong, just like socialized health care. “For the greater good” arguments that make the basis for all these collectivism style arguments have been philosophically debunked 1000s of years by now, and yet you leftist keep using them. A pharmaceutical company could illegally and secretly test drugs on US citizens, causing the death of 25 innocent victims. These tests, however, could lead to a cure for HIV AIDs, saving millions of lives, so (by your arguments) what this company did was for the greater good of society, and therefore justifiable. Obviously that is not justifiable, nor is it to force me into a universal health care, or nationalize the insurance industry and in the process shut down companies, nor to dictate a doctor’s or medical industry worker’s potential success in life. True, there job may be more important than your job or mine, but that does not give you any more right to dictate, mandate, etc. there life and work any more than they should have over ours. So…if you ever read this.... (without using a “for the greater good” or “ends” argument, which have long since been debunked) please give me your moral justification for imposing a universal health care system on me and others.