edition.cnn.com— Catalonia became the first Spanish mainland region to ban bullfighting after its parliament voted Wednesday to outlaw the tradition on animal cruelty grounds.
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I'm compassionate towards animals, I think more needs to be done to address animal welfare issues, but I find it hard to agree with this decision. We need to look at things in perspective and there are a few important points I want to make, and while I realize that most of you will disagree, please give it some thought.
1. If we look at the statistics, the number of bulls that are used in the events like bullfighting are so small compared to the suffering that animals endure at modern meat factories, that it makes you think maybe we should concentrate on other areas first? For example, I'm a meat eater, and many of you are meat eaters like me. Other than occasional shock we receive when we see in animal cruelty videos on farms, and a few angry comments we make, we don't really make much effort to do anything about the problem of animal suffering at factories, so why are we so eager to ban a traditional event that is so insignificant in comparison?
2. Yes, these animals become exhausted and die from bleeding/exhaustion, but the experience is not as painful as it may seem. At the same time, keep in mind that these bulls are raised in far better conditions than any milking cow in an milk factory and they live a decent life.
3. We need to accept our human nature. We eat meat for pleasure, we use animals for entertainment and it's ok to be on top of the food chain.
If I failed to convince you that bullfighting is OK in above arguments, here's the one that works 60% of the time, every time:
1. The number of teenage women in Saudi Arabia stoned to death because they were raped is relatively small compared to the thousands of people suffering and dying every day in war-torn and impoverished areas of the world. Why are we so eager to ban a traditional event that is so insignificant in comparison?
2. Up until they are raped then killed, these women usually lived much better lives than your average teenage girl in darfur.
3. We need to accept our male nature. We use women for pleasure and entertainment and it's ok to do whatever we want to them.
i live in barcelona and i couldn't be happier to see this tradition go away. you don't even have to love animals all that much to know brutality when you see it. somehow people in this country are still obsessed with holding onto this tradition, and sometimes traditions just aren't worth keeping.
"Activist Aida Gascon, of the Anti-Bullfighting Party, known as PACMA, said she has attended just one bullfight in her life, and that was only to get a sense of the bull's suffering."
doesn't that sound like she went in with a bias? i'll admit, i don't know enough about bull fighting to form a valid opinion on if its right or wrong, but that person clearly had made their decision without knowing the facts.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Hell even if they just put the matadore in the ring with the bull right from the start instead of bleeding it out for 45min. before the matadore has the balls to enter would make it more reasonable.
The Mexico Tourism Board responds, "If you think what the Matadors do to the bulls is cruel, wait until you see what this mujer does to this poor Donkey. Come to Mexico, we're not banning s**t down here, hombre."
Whoohoo! It is about time. Nothing but animal torture. Too be fair they should keep bullfights, but take away the picadors, the matador's sword, and the horsemen. Just throw the matador in and let him wrestle the bull to the ground bare handed.
I wouldn't rule this out as being a purely political move. Bullfighting isn't as big in Catalonia as it is elsewhere in Spain, so this was a way to get maximum press for minimal change. It also lets the Catalans assert their independence and give the finger to those who claimed the World Cup win would unite the country once and for all. There's only one bullring in Barcelona still doing bullfights, and that's mostly for tourists. 85% of the bullfighting in Spain is still legal.
bullfighting in spain is almost all tourists anyway these days.
also, catalans were celebrating in barcelona just like everywhere else when spain won the cup. they may want independence, but they aren't as anti-spain as you might think. most of them just want to be able to call themselves both spanish and catalan and assert their diverse identities. no, a soccer game isn't going to make the independistas go away, but it was proof that they really aren't bitter enemies afterall. and let's not forget that a few catalans were on the winning team, alongside the spaniards.
"Do you think a bull cares if it is killed for food or entertainment?"
of coruse not.
but they would care about being killed slowly, stabed over and over until it dies
than the more fast way the get killed on the slaughterhouse.
bulls would prefer not to be killed, of course. but the way they get killed on the slaughterhouse is less cruel.
oh, and most people on gladiatorial combats were prisoners FORCED to fight.
on combat sports people voluntary fight.
Closed AccountJul 28, 2010
I'm compassionate towards animals, I think more needs to be done to address animal welfare issues, but I find it hard to agree with this decision. We need to look at things in perspective and there are a few important points I want to make, and while I realize that most of you will disagree, please give it some thought.
1. If we look at the statistics, the number of bulls that are used in the events like bullfighting are so small compared to the suffering that animals endure at modern meat factories, that it makes you think maybe we should concentrate on other areas first? For example, I'm a meat eater, and many of you are meat eaters like me. Other than occasional shock we receive when we see in animal cruelty videos on farms, and a few angry comments we make, we don't really make much effort to do anything about the problem of animal suffering at factories, so why are we so eager to ban a traditional event that is so insignificant in comparison?
2. Yes, these animals become exhausted and die from bleeding/exhaustion, but the experience is not as painful as it may seem. At the same time, keep in mind that these bulls are raised in far better conditions than any milking cow in an milk factory and they live a decent life.
3. We need to accept our human nature. We eat meat for pleasure, we use animals for entertainment and it's ok to be on top of the food chain.
If I failed to convince you that bullfighting is OK in above arguments, here's the one that works 60% of the time, every time:
4. Bacon. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
schrodingerscarJul 28, 2010
1. The number of teenage women in Saudi Arabia stoned to death because they were raped is relatively small compared to the thousands of people suffering and dying every day in war-torn and impoverished areas of the world. Why are we so eager to ban a traditional event that is so insignificant in comparison?
2. Up until they are raped then killed, these women usually lived much better lives than your average teenage girl in darfur.
3. We need to accept our male nature. We use women for pleasure and entertainment and it's ok to do whatever we want to them.
4. Boobies.
Closed AccountJul 28, 2010
You just got schooled, Schrodinger-style.
ishqboliJul 28, 2010
i live in barcelona and i couldn't be happier to see this tradition go away. you don't even have to love animals all that much to know brutality when you see it. somehow people in this country are still obsessed with holding onto this tradition, and sometimes traditions just aren't worth keeping.
reaper527Jul 28, 2010
"Activist Aida Gascon, of the Anti-Bullfighting Party, known as PACMA, said she has attended just one bullfight in her life, and that was only to get a sense of the bull's suffering."
doesn't that sound like she went in with a bias? i'll admit, i don't know enough about bull fighting to form a valid opinion on if its right or wrong, but that person clearly had made their decision without knowing the facts.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
newesJul 28, 2010
Watch a bull fight from the very begginning to the very end.
rotzooiJul 28, 2010
I am proud of my adopted homeland!
¡Visca Barça! ¡Visca Catalunya!
ishqboliJul 28, 2010
my adopted homeland as well :) i sure do love this country... and their calçots :D
capthuggyfaceJul 28, 2010
What about just making it a fair fight? Give the matador a viking-ish helmet, and let them go at it by charging each other.
newesJul 28, 2010
Hell even if they just put the matadore in the ring with the bull right from the start instead of bleeding it out for 45min. before the matadore has the balls to enter would make it more reasonable.
gtragnarokJul 28, 2010
Give the bull a sword.
FIGHT!
piddlydJul 28, 2010
The Mexico Tourism Board responds, "If you think what the Matadors do to the bulls is cruel, wait until you see what this mujer does to this poor Donkey. Come to Mexico, we're not banning s**t down here, hombre."
rotzooiJul 28, 2010
Don't you mean, what the donkey does to this poor mujer?
Closed AccountJul 28, 2010
Whoohoo! It is about time. Nothing but animal torture. Too be fair they should keep bullfights, but take away the picadors, the matador's sword, and the horsemen. Just throw the matador in and let him wrestle the bull to the ground bare handed.
bdbrJul 28, 2010
I wouldn't rule this out as being a purely political move. Bullfighting isn't as big in Catalonia as it is elsewhere in Spain, so this was a way to get maximum press for minimal change. It also lets the Catalans assert their independence and give the finger to those who claimed the World Cup win would unite the country once and for all. There's only one bullring in Barcelona still doing bullfights, and that's mostly for tourists. 85% of the bullfighting in Spain is still legal.
Better than nothing, I suppose.
ishqboliJul 28, 2010
bullfighting in spain is almost all tourists anyway these days.
also, catalans were celebrating in barcelona just like everywhere else when spain won the cup. they may want independence, but they aren't as anti-spain as you might think. most of them just want to be able to call themselves both spanish and catalan and assert their diverse identities. no, a soccer game isn't going to make the independistas go away, but it was proof that they really aren't bitter enemies afterall. and let's not forget that a few catalans were on the winning team, alongside the spaniards.
chr1slJul 28, 2010
"Do you think a bull cares if it is killed for food or entertainment?"
of coruse not.
but they would care about being killed slowly, stabed over and over until it dies
than the more fast way the get killed on the slaughterhouse.
bulls would prefer not to be killed, of course. but the way they get killed on the slaughterhouse is less cruel.
oh, and most people on gladiatorial combats were prisoners FORCED to fight.
on combat sports people voluntary fight.
jtensJul 28, 2010
http://media.photobucket.com/image/bullfighter%20gored%20in%20throat/gazaly786/bull-goring-matador.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_g-S1ThubH6g/SHLyZ_GJdHI/AAAAAAAAAS4/vJb2LdJsAtY/s400/bull%2Bgore.bmp
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/matadorbullAP_450x554.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/22/julio-aparicio-gored-in-t_n_585941.html
mai9Jul 28, 2010
errr.... too bad nobody voted me :(
http://digg.com/politics/Spanish_region_says_adios_to_bullfight
rainman21Jul 29, 2010
pussies
brothaslideJul 29, 2010
What is the point of this "sport"? The bull always loses.