news.bbc.co.uk— All US military detainees, including those at Guantanamo Bay, are to be treated in line with the minimum standards of the Geneva Conventions.
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By treating them as poorly as they treat us, we become no better than them. I agree with you fully that it is disgusting the way these people treat Americans that they capture, but if we start treating them any worse than we would treat a German captured in WWII, or a crackhead arrested in Boston, then we might as well be cutting off their heads and making their friends watch. You call them savages because they don't give their prisoners any rights and do inhumane things to them, yet you suggest that we do the same things to our prisoners. And if we did that, we would be patriots?"The words I speak are the truth and cannot be denied."That attitude needs to be done away with. This "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is evil and I refuse to listen" bulls**t is how the terrorists operate. It should not be how the United States of America operates. This is how fanatical cults operate. Militant Radical Islam, the Fundamentalist Christians, PETA... Most of the people we are "holding indefinitely" have not committed any crime, or attacked anyone. They have no chance to argue that fact, they are simply locked away. If they are guilty and there is proper evidence proving that, then of course they should be punished. "We think he might not like America" is not proper evidence of anything. That is is like if someone in your neighborhood shot at a cop. Obviously the cops don't like that, but they can't find out who did it. So they decide to take away every single person in the neighborhood to a prison on an island somewhere where they torture them for 5 years trying to get them to confess. When you are sitting on this island being tortured for 5 years, are you going to be glad that they let you keep your head, or are you going to be demanding to be given a chance to prove that you had nothing to do with any crimes? Some people in the Middle East have done terrible things to Americans, but most of them have not. To do things properly we need to deal with the people who have actually committed crimes and not just blindly run around wishing everyone with one of those cloth things on their head died a horrible death."It is better for one hundred guilty men to go free than one innocent man to go to jail" - Thomas Jefferson
It has been literally been done to death. I had a freind that died on a overdose of Cookies N' Cream icecream while posting that same anti-authoritarian speil. It was a sad day... marked with the cholesterol and exploded heart of my dear, dear, dear, morbidly obease freind. It was a sad day, June, 25, 2006... when the internet went too far. When it effected my life... I thought the news only effected those who live inside the mainland of the USA. But NO! it had to take my friends life! :( Have a great day!
@masamunecyrus "The Japanese are far kinder than us"@lordmetroid "and what about the people abused by US soldiers?"Are you cats actually claiming the US did anything remotely similar to the rape of Nanjing, the Asian Holocaust, Bataan Death March, or the Palawan Massacre to name a few Japanese atrocities?Is this what the Leftist government schools are teaching?This is the kind of brain-dead crap you get from the Leftist Hate-America-FirstersA mind is a terrible thing to wasteSeek the truth - the truth will set you free
[quote]One part of being the "Good Guys" is that we're supposed to be BETTER than the "Bad Guys."[/quote]Something Anakin Skywalker never understood until it was too late. Then he became more machine than man. A mindless, impotent pawn of the state.And all that time, he thought he was being patriotic. But it was really done out of fear.Renounce the Dark Side, all you "patriots." Or you will be destroyed.
Guantanamo has taken attention away from Abu Ghraib, hasn't it?There are ~1000 prisoners in Guantanamo.Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been through Abu Ghraib. Were they all "Al Qaeda?" Where they all even insurgents? Yet they were all treated like they were. On suspicion alone. No trials for any of them, imprisoned for months-years.It makes me really sick thinking about it. Innocent people being locked up, tortured, indiscriminately by my government. I never voted for this.
On behalf of the USA, I want to apologize, give you a large sum of money, a shiny new car, a new home in a nice neighborhood, and gift certificates to the your choice of stores.Feel free to kill taxpaying US citizens while living off the money off the money of those same taxpayers.Be careful not to kill too many, because our funds might go down a bitOh and try to kill anyone opposed to leftist ideas
leehodge said, "So you believe when the government puts a murder or rapist in jail it is SUPPRESSING their right to Liberty, the Pursuit of happiness, to bear arms? (not to mention arm bears) You might want to think that out again."Why? The writers on the Constitution are clear about their opinion on the subject. Not sure what the debate is here. Are you saying that "unalienable" doesn't mean "inseperable"? No one's argueing that we shouldn't suppress the rights of people who endanger our society, but we can't forget to call it what it is.leehodge said, "It gets even better. So Tom thinks that when the government puts a murderer or rapist is jail they are using COERCION. I am not sure you understand what you are trying to talk abourt."What is with the "Tom thinks" comment? to whom are you speaking? I thought you and I were having a debate. Is this your appeal to the masses for back up? Seriously, dude. Learn a little something about rights and coercive nature of government. Stop replying from your emotion and use reason. Evoking rape and murder don't change the reality fo the situation. If they have unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then when we make it impossible to exercise those rights we are suppressing them. That supporession is coerced by way of the guys with guys who enforce the suppression. I never said they were wrong to do it, but that is what they do.Tom Caudron<a class="user" href="http://tom.digitalelite.com">http://tom.digitalelite.com</a>
lordmetroidJul 11, 2006
They don't only sue they kill <a class="user" href="http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/">http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/</a>
smerndmgyJul 11, 2006
By treating them as poorly as they treat us, we become no better than them. I agree with you fully that it is disgusting the way these people treat Americans that they capture, but if we start treating them any worse than we would treat a German captured in WWII, or a crackhead arrested in Boston, then we might as well be cutting off their heads and making their friends watch. You call them savages because they don't give their prisoners any rights and do inhumane things to them, yet you suggest that we do the same things to our prisoners. And if we did that, we would be patriots?"The words I speak are the truth and cannot be denied."That attitude needs to be done away with. This "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is evil and I refuse to listen" bulls**t is how the terrorists operate. It should not be how the United States of America operates. This is how fanatical cults operate. Militant Radical Islam, the Fundamentalist Christians, PETA... Most of the people we are "holding indefinitely" have not committed any crime, or attacked anyone. They have no chance to argue that fact, they are simply locked away. If they are guilty and there is proper evidence proving that, then of course they should be punished. "We think he might not like America" is not proper evidence of anything. That is is like if someone in your neighborhood shot at a cop. Obviously the cops don't like that, but they can't find out who did it. So they decide to take away every single person in the neighborhood to a prison on an island somewhere where they torture them for 5 years trying to get them to confess. When you are sitting on this island being tortured for 5 years, are you going to be glad that they let you keep your head, or are you going to be demanding to be given a chance to prove that you had nothing to do with any crimes? Some people in the Middle East have done terrible things to Americans, but most of them have not. To do things properly we need to deal with the people who have actually committed crimes and not just blindly run around wishing everyone with one of those cloth things on their head died a horrible death."It is better for one hundred guilty men to go free than one innocent man to go to jail" - Thomas Jefferson
heokoJul 11, 2006
It has been literally been done to death. I had a freind that died on a overdose of Cookies N' Cream icecream while posting that same anti-authoritarian speil. It was a sad day... marked with the cholesterol and exploded heart of my dear, dear, dear, morbidly obease freind. It was a sad day, June, 25, 2006... when the internet went too far. When it effected my life... I thought the news only effected those who live inside the mainland of the USA. But NO! it had to take my friends life! :( Have a great day!
twilightzone59Jul 11, 2006
@masamunecyrus "The Japanese are far kinder than us"@lordmetroid "and what about the people abused by US soldiers?"Are you cats actually claiming the US did anything remotely similar to the rape of Nanjing, the Asian Holocaust, Bataan Death March, or the Palawan Massacre to name a few Japanese atrocities?Is this what the Leftist government schools are teaching?This is the kind of brain-dead crap you get from the Leftist Hate-America-FirstersA mind is a terrible thing to wasteSeek the truth - the truth will set you free
edverbJul 11, 2006
A Man for All Seasons:Roper
sukinoJul 11, 2006
Most of them weren't combatants in the first place.
obkenobiJul 12, 2006
[quote]One part of being the "Good Guys" is that we're supposed to be BETTER than the "Bad Guys."[/quote]Something Anakin Skywalker never understood until it was too late. Then he became more machine than man. A mindless, impotent pawn of the state.And all that time, he thought he was being patriotic. But it was really done out of fear.Renounce the Dark Side, all you "patriots." Or you will be destroyed.
obkenobiJul 12, 2006
Guantanamo has taken attention away from Abu Ghraib, hasn't it?There are ~1000 prisoners in Guantanamo.Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been through Abu Ghraib. Were they all "Al Qaeda?" Where they all even insurgents? Yet they were all treated like they were. On suspicion alone. No trials for any of them, imprisoned for months-years.It makes me really sick thinking about it. Innocent people being locked up, tortured, indiscriminately by my government. I never voted for this.
mirunitJul 12, 2006
"Innocent people being locked up, tortured, indiscriminately by my government."Well, this honeslty makes me abit sicker. <a class="user" href="http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php">http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php</a>
sm1l3Jul 12, 2006
On behalf of the USA, I want to apologize, give you a large sum of money, a shiny new car, a new home in a nice neighborhood, and gift certificates to the your choice of stores.Feel free to kill taxpaying US citizens while living off the money off the money of those same taxpayers.Be careful not to kill too many, because our funds might go down a bitOh and try to kill anyone opposed to leftist ideas
caudronJul 13, 2006
leehodge said, "So you believe when the government puts a murder or rapist in jail it is SUPPRESSING their right to Liberty, the Pursuit of happiness, to bear arms? (not to mention arm bears) You might want to think that out again."Why? The writers on the Constitution are clear about their opinion on the subject. Not sure what the debate is here. Are you saying that "unalienable" doesn't mean "inseperable"? No one's argueing that we shouldn't suppress the rights of people who endanger our society, but we can't forget to call it what it is.leehodge said, "It gets even better. So Tom thinks that when the government puts a murderer or rapist is jail they are using COERCION. I am not sure you understand what you are trying to talk abourt."What is with the "Tom thinks" comment? to whom are you speaking? I thought you and I were having a debate. Is this your appeal to the masses for back up? Seriously, dude. Learn a little something about rights and coercive nature of government. Stop replying from your emotion and use reason. Evoking rape and murder don't change the reality fo the situation. If they have unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then when we make it impossible to exercise those rights we are suppressing them. That supporession is coerced by way of the guys with guys who enforce the suppression. I never said they were wrong to do it, but that is what they do.Tom Caudron<a class="user" href="http://tom.digitalelite.com">http://tom.digitalelite.com</a>