lists.beryl-project.org — Quinn Storm, leader of the Beryl project just mailed the development list announcing the willingness of re-merging both projects.Instead of competing both communities and developers can now work together to bring us a new desktop experience.
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pizpotMar 24, 2007
Call it Pizpot3D. No, how about Pizcom. Yeah I like it.
poofyhairguyMar 24, 2007
The differences between Compiz and Beryl are mostly pluggins that can be moved over to Compiz pretty easily. As long as there is some way to get the more "hackish" but popular pluggins easily with Compiz and the many theme engines (Emerald) move forward then life will be good for the Linux desktop. I smell some meta-packages being made somewhere. The Beryl fork was great because it got some great ideas off people's brains and on some board and proved that the openness of the Linux+Xorg desktop brings forth great eye candy once the framework is there! This is a wakeup call to one group more than any though- the Gnome people. As of right now this basically unites the Composite Manager Movement outside of what KDE is doing. It is now obvious that Gnome 3 must be the Gnome where composite is assumed- THAT is the reason for ThreePointZero that they have been waiting for. In the future this new Compiz will replace metacity as Gnome's default window manager (as almost every important Metacity developer works on Compiz instead now) and just like in Vista, OSX, and KDE4 it will be able to give applications a modern platform to run on.
gmorganMar 24, 2007
They cannot have Beryl or Compiz in as default yet. Java still does not render properly with direct rendering not showing up at all (just get a blank rectangle). Videos still do not play properly in full screen mode. I understand that the NVidia driver hacks around much of this but that is specific to those cards. We need to get the technology working properly before we turn it on everywhere. Imagine how much we'd all jump on MS's back if they released Aero unable to play videos or render Java. Let's get it right, it isn't far off and it's not worth the negative PR of pushing experimental technology.
meneerrMar 24, 2007
Gnome and KDE are like two sisters. They don't want to be alike. So they each make their own mistake.KDE is completely customizeable (good thing), but forces you to do so by having horrible defauilts (bad thing).GNOME is not very customizeable (bad thing), but has great defaults (good thing).The first time I saw an alignment toolbar button in a kopete chat window I removed KDE.I have no time or interest to tweak every program to something sane. I like being able to add such a button, it should just not be there by default.Nobody will ever use it. Its ridiculus.Oh, and why are so few KDE-platforms shipping with skins that aren't ugly?Ugly is bad default setting as well. Esspecially Plastik and Keramik. Why even install that crap. Then again, I really wish Gnome had KDE level configuration possibilities. I want to be able to turn a mac menubar on.The gnome devs aren't even accepting patches to make it possible to turn that on in gnome using your gtkrc.If I could hit them with a stick for stuff like that, I would. Perhaps the KDE people can fork gnome? They seem like more reasonable people than the gnome dev's and GTK really is the better themable, better looking, better working toolkit. If the KDE devs fork gnome and add kde-level customizeability without changing the defaults, everybody would be using that.
meneerrMar 24, 2007
Why not call it Aero? Or just "Fried Air" ? or perhaps there are synonyms to the word 'view' that are not yet used as a microsoft product title?I actually liked both names. Beryl is a specific type of diamond, and Compiz is just a reference to composite window manager.You should compare it to the current names of Window-managers: metacity kwin fluxbox twm etc.Considering that, its a big improvement. Then again, perhaps, their name shouldn't be something prominent. I don't see any reference to metacity on my gnome-desktop.
sanguinemoonMar 24, 2007
"also to suki, I'd like to add that of beryl's three window decorators, only heliodor pulls in gnome stuff. All the rest (aquamarine, emerald, the settings manager) seems to only use gtk and gconf."They both seem to pull in Gnome stuff. When trying Beryl .2 in Mepis (a distro that uses KDE as the default desktop) when trying to select an image for the skydome, I was greeted with a very Gnomish file chooser.
jadeshadeMar 24, 2007
there was work being done on a qt interface using python, but I don't know how that's working out
patpiMar 25, 2007
It is worth to read this -><a class="user" href="http://forum.go-compiz.org/viewtopic.php?p=5618#5618">http://forum.go-compiz.org/viewtopic.php?p=5618#5618</a>The code of beryl is actualy merged into compiz... Beryl is now onle empty public relations case. Beryl people won't merge anything into compiz becouse it is actualy there!
railkMar 25, 2007
Please read <a class="user" href="http://digg.com/linux_unix/What_s_really_happening_with_the_Beryl_Compiz_merge">http://digg.com/linux_unix/What_s_really_happening_with_the_Beryl_Compiz_merge</a> for clarification of the merge.
railkMar 25, 2007
>It is good idea to have them both more compatible. But I do hope they keep the 'two versions'.>Compiz is the long term, 'done right' version (upstream) and Beryl the 'make it work NOW please' version.>Certain fixes and esspecially plugins should swim back upstream to Compiz (they can't now, because of liscence issues)>But certain hacks should just stay in Beryl.While this may have originally been true, Beryl has become more than simply "Compiz with hacks">Secondly, I think its very important to separate the settings-backends and the configuration-tools.There is a joint project between Beryl and Compiz to create a common settings back-end library which in turn can use gconf/text/etc. to store settings... or something like that