dig.csail.mit.edu— When I invented the Web, I didn't have to ask anyone's permission. Now, hundreds of millions of people are using it freely. I am worried that that is going end in the USA.
Jun 23, 2006View in Crawl 4
Actually Gore did claim to have invented the Internet. He probably has done more than most politicians towards helping ensure its creation as we know it. But he saw the Internet as a great thing for libraries and schools and wanted to heavily tax commercial use of it. Thank god he didn't get his way.
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore.Except that without net neutrality, there isn't necessarily a route around the 'damage'.
@Foo667Most people don't even know these other places have such amazing Internet speeds but they'll definitely notice when their favorite sites are ripped away from them.
I have called all my reps., if you are goinng to take action on any issue it should be this one. Call your reps in the senate and congress and tell them to save the internet.
"do you people really think that QoS is evil?"QoS is one thing (a good thing, if done right IMO), but slowing down certain protocols (e.g. BitTorrent) or slowing down access to certain sites (e.g. YouTube if your ISP has a competing service) is a whole different issue, and that's what people are complaining about.
No one has mentioned how big telcos were guaranteed government tax breaks and subsidies over a decade ago so they could cover the country with fiber. It turned out demand wasn't strong enough at the time for lines running that fast (no wide reaching bandwidth heavy internet uses at the time) so they stopped investing in the new fiber highways. Now they're saying they need to charge for a tiered internet so they can afford to upgrade their lines and compete. BS.And don't forget that the reason net neutrality became such and issue is because of public statements from the CEO of Verizon & AT&T who both said they should be able to charge providers of bandwidth heavy services more to maintain the speed that they enjoy now. That means they could charge Skype for the specific traffic they use on AT&T lines - Skype passes that added cost along to you and of course AT&T can come out with their own VOIP service to destroy Skype or Vonage who can no longer compete because they're paying for raw bandwidth AND then paying AT&T for traffic to be maintained.That's tiered internet and no one's yelling the sky is falling. The telcos have said they "plan to do this" - so that's more like seeing the guy with the lever say "I'm going to drop the sky" and then pointing that guy out to people.
yornJun 24, 2006
Actually Gore did claim to have invented the Internet. He probably has done more than most politicians towards helping ensure its creation as we know it. But he saw the Internet as a great thing for libraries and schools and wanted to heavily tax commercial use of it. Thank god he didn't get his way.
domrJun 24, 2006
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore.Except that without net neutrality, there isn't necessarily a route around the 'damage'.
ukonuJun 24, 2006
@Foo667Most people don't even know these other places have such amazing Internet speeds but they'll definitely notice when their favorite sites are ripped away from them.
provocateurcrowJun 25, 2006
I have called all my reps., if you are goinng to take action on any issue it should be this one. Call your reps in the senate and congress and tell them to save the internet.
mojotoothJun 25, 2006
What a twisted, false impression of what the EFF does and believes. I encourage everyone to go to <a class="user" href="http://www.eff.org/about/">http://www.eff.org/about/</a> and read about their mission, then dig DirkBelig down to where he belongs.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2006
"do you people really think that QoS is evil?"QoS is one thing (a good thing, if done right IMO), but slowing down certain protocols (e.g. BitTorrent) or slowing down access to certain sites (e.g. YouTube if your ISP has a competing service) is a whole different issue, and that's what people are complaining about.
timberfishJun 25, 2006
No one has mentioned how big telcos were guaranteed government tax breaks and subsidies over a decade ago so they could cover the country with fiber. It turned out demand wasn't strong enough at the time for lines running that fast (no wide reaching bandwidth heavy internet uses at the time) so they stopped investing in the new fiber highways. Now they're saying they need to charge for a tiered internet so they can afford to upgrade their lines and compete. BS.And don't forget that the reason net neutrality became such and issue is because of public statements from the CEO of Verizon & AT&T who both said they should be able to charge providers of bandwidth heavy services more to maintain the speed that they enjoy now. That means they could charge Skype for the specific traffic they use on AT&T lines - Skype passes that added cost along to you and of course AT&T can come out with their own VOIP service to destroy Skype or Vonage who can no longer compete because they're paying for raw bandwidth AND then paying AT&T for traffic to be maintained.That's tiered internet and no one's yelling the sky is falling. The telcos have said they "plan to do this" - so that's more like seeing the guy with the lever say "I'm going to drop the sky" and then pointing that guy out to people.