thinkprogress.org — VIDEO: CNN Headline News anchor Glenn Beck said tonight that if America withdraws from Iraq, it “would be America’s most shameful act of immorality since slavery,” adding that congressional war opponents are “just plain stupid” and “can’t see the future.”
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robotsuApr 26, 2007
therealrico said: "What I don't understand is how can people live in such denial? There comes a point you have to realize what we are doing is not working, and might as well fold them now and lose a little, rather than keep it going."We haven't "lost a little". We have lost over 40,000 HUMAN Iraqis in this war. The death toll would be unimaginable if we were to withdraw our forces. Without a strong unifying central government, we would turn the 200,000+ trained Iraqi soldiers into 200,000+ trained militias. I am not going to pretend these are battle-hardened American-esque soldiers, but that probably only makes them more dangerous unleashed in the country without allegiance to a unified Iraq. Compound that with Sunni dissidents, and the problem grows exponentially. Right now Iraqis are making practical decisions, "Do I join the coalition and fight for Iraq, or do I join the insurgency and fight for a militia?" That question wouldn't even come about if we withdrew.I want you to go to the New York Times main page and look for the latest video in the World section and look for the "Displacement and Destruction in Iraq" entry. There is a very real and very human toll. Are you suggesting that because we unleash this horror on the remaining 14 provinces that have been relatively stable?therealrico said: "Granted our losing a little is pretty bad with 3300 plus American soldiers dead, and billions of dollars in debt, but it certainly get worse, obviously the debt will go up, and I am sure we will lose more soldiers."therealrico said: "I mean what is this stupid allegiance too parties, it just makes no sense to me, what about having an allegiance to what is best for our country, and getting us out of this stupid and pointless war!"Yes, we will lose more soldiers. Yes, we will lose more money. Yes, we will probably lose more short-term prestige in the world. But search your conscience, think through the lens of history: What will future generations say about Americans? That when the going got tough, we got going? That we created, and then turned our back on a human catastrophe?Listen, I was adamantly against the war to begin with. I understand a hate how the Office of Special Plans stove-piped information to the President for the initial war. I am upset that the CIA didn't even verify sometimes half-decade-old information on WMD sites. I blame every single individual who had the chance to tell the President, "This policy is failing, we need a change" and didn't. I blame everyone who thought this would be over in a matter of months.Even if you agreed with the over-arching concept of universal freedom and all the neocon mumbo jumbo, we all understand the complete incompetence of this administration. From broad and deep de-Baath-ification orders, to the insularity of those who oversaw the post-war efforts, to the silly and perverse inter-agency fighting in Bush's cabinet, to the intellectual lazyness of the President himself; there is not a single facet of the operation on a meaningful level that was not ridden with almost criminal inadequacy.But you can't sit here and tell me that we can turn out backs on an entire nation of peoples. We started this s**t, we have to at least TRY to finish it. We have to stick in this for the forseeable future. Like it or not, despite what we were told, this is and always has been a long-term project.
carpefishemApr 26, 2007
"The Iraqi's are taking responsibility for their future by fighting American invaders and each other."The majority of insurgents aren't Iraqis but immigrants from other nations who have much to gain if America leaves Iraq.
hagbard72Apr 26, 2007
Typical American.
koros8Apr 26, 2007
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edm1950Apr 26, 2007
So uh why did they invade Iraq with half the resources that were really needed? One would think that seasoned generals knew how to fight a war, why keep firing the most knowledgeable and promoting yes men? Your argument doesn't ring true. We're not killing terrorists there now we're killing members of both sides of a civil war while serving as a supplier of cheap arms to both sides. Rather than take control of the situation the current administration allowed it to become a hopeless situation. I guess republicans do, do things better than the democrats. The democrats have never screwed up across all facets of government ,guess it's time for the democrats to pull out some of that New Deal magic and get the nation back on the road to recovery. Laissez faire fails again. It's time to fire these idiots and get the job done right.
Closed AccountApr 26, 2007
iraq pullout would be the most honorable thing to do
levisactApr 27, 2007
This is for '86yourpooper'...I don't think anyone can argue with you dude. You're right on! G'day & Semper Fi.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2007
When we pulled out of Vietnam we cleared the way for murderous communists to kill millions of people in Cambodia and Vietnam. And condemn the rest to lifelong grinding poverty. Which has happened in every communist country.If we pullout of Iraq the same thing will happen. Blood will run in the streets. Then Al Quaida or some other bunch of jihadis will take over and use Iraq and all its resources to launch attacks against us.
dphoebusMay 5, 2007
C'mon guys.... CNN(Clinton News Network) had their affirmative action quota to fill. They are required one and only one white conservative (not republican) so they can claim they aren't bias. Besides, what would you winy, emo, spoiled libs have to complain about all day if there were no George Soros funded loony blogs that you could post on digg. Then all miserable libs can gather, dispense the God given gift (oops sorry, forgot you hate Christians)... I meant the amazing intellect given to you from Allah down to all of us ignorant 'hayseed hicks'. Wow, how digg.com would suffer if their content was dependent on libs posting positive articles that discuss ideas and plans. I know my day is just ruined if I can't log on to digg.com and post "IMPEACH BUSH", "BUSH LIED".P.S. Fox News and Carl Rove planted Glenn Beck. Rosie said so.Sincerely, Winy, Liberal, Fodder