I'm sure there will be those types of people who are lazy, don't want to work, yet unfairly get subsidized health care. But there also will be people who are hard-working yet have a hard time affording health care. Or people who were laid off and lost their jobs and with it their health insurance. And finally people who got so sick that they were unable to go to work for a while. What about all these people? I suppose it's a philosophical debate whether to help a group a people with a few bad apples or help none at all.
I think the point you're missing is that approval of a bill regarding health care reform is something that hasn't been seen for ages and our health care system desperately needs reform. This is more symbolic than it is functional. It represents the desire for change and that's how most reforms begin.If this had never passed we could have easily seen another term pass before it was even looked at again. Now that the ball started rolling we have a foundation to work with. After all people aren't as capable as everyone might hope especially when working together in large groups. It often takes a couple failed repair jobs to realize that a car should be sent to the junkyard.
Are you saying that you only pay 15% in taxes? Using Ontario as an example...In that bracket, according to Canadian Tax information, your gross income is between 10K and 12K per year. Canada is one of the higher taxed nations in the world. On average, a Canadian pays 30% in taxes. Once your income rises past $40,727 (gross) you are into the 30 plus per cent bracket. Should you choose to be a higher earner, you may pay as much as 46.41% in taxes.If you earned $130,000 in 2009, your take home pay would only be $88,829.Reference:2009 Combined Federal and Ontario Provincial Personal Income Tax Rates as sourced from Ernst & Young
Ah, but I never said they were crumbling to the ground ;) I'm simply saying that a single-payer, universal health care system will yield in more bureaucracy, fewer choices, and higher taxes. Simple as that.
"Its attitudes like yours that makes a little bit of vomit come up in my mouth. You are putting your trust in Congress, a group of people who tend to screw up things than make them better. You are putting your trust in a body that serves lobbyists and special interest, not you and me."I agree that putting trust in congress isn't always sane. But isn't the American Government (including congress) the reason why America is so great? You can't criticize the government as a collossal f**kup engine while living in the most powerful nation in the world with the highest standard of living. I think Congress had something to do with that as well.
"It means that these are things which no man could ever be understood to willingly forfeit. No contract or law can ever justly deprive him of that right as he would never surrender them without coercion."Then why do people commit suicide?Maybe for some people, the pursuit of happiness includes not recieving healthcare
Maybe in a few decades you guys will get a completely publicly funded health care service and finally become considered the largest civilised democracy! Anyway, progress is progress, I suppose.
carbon916Mar 25, 2010
I'm sure there will be those types of people who are lazy, don't want to work, yet unfairly get subsidized health care. But there also will be people who are hard-working yet have a hard time affording health care. Or people who were laid off and lost their jobs and with it their health insurance. And finally people who got so sick that they were unable to go to work for a while. What about all these people? I suppose it's a philosophical debate whether to help a group a people with a few bad apples or help none at all.
agent13xMar 25, 2010
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psa21Mar 26, 2010
I think the point you're missing is that approval of a bill regarding health care reform is something that hasn't been seen for ages and our health care system desperately needs reform. This is more symbolic than it is functional. It represents the desire for change and that's how most reforms begin.If this had never passed we could have easily seen another term pass before it was even looked at again. Now that the ball started rolling we have a foundation to work with. After all people aren't as capable as everyone might hope especially when working together in large groups. It often takes a couple failed repair jobs to realize that a car should be sent to the junkyard.
texaskozMar 26, 2010
Are you saying that you only pay 15% in taxes? Using Ontario as an example...In that bracket, according to Canadian Tax information, your gross income is between 10K and 12K per year. Canada is one of the higher taxed nations in the world. On average, a Canadian pays 30% in taxes. Once your income rises past $40,727 (gross) you are into the 30 plus per cent bracket. Should you choose to be a higher earner, you may pay as much as 46.41% in taxes.If you earned $130,000 in 2009, your take home pay would only be $88,829.Reference:2009 Combined Federal and Ontario Provincial Personal Income Tax Rates as sourced from Ernst & Young
halliburkeMar 26, 2010
Ah, but I never said they were crumbling to the ground ;) I'm simply saying that a single-payer, universal health care system will yield in more bureaucracy, fewer choices, and higher taxes. Simple as that.
thesexygeekMar 27, 2010
"Its attitudes like yours that makes a little bit of vomit come up in my mouth. You are putting your trust in Congress, a group of people who tend to screw up things than make them better. You are putting your trust in a body that serves lobbyists and special interest, not you and me."I agree that putting trust in congress isn't always sane. But isn't the American Government (including congress) the reason why America is so great? You can't criticize the government as a collossal f**kup engine while living in the most powerful nation in the world with the highest standard of living. I think Congress had something to do with that as well.
wowthatsgayMar 27, 2010
"It means that these are things which no man could ever be understood to willingly forfeit. No contract or law can ever justly deprive him of that right as he would never surrender them without coercion."Then why do people commit suicide?Maybe for some people, the pursuit of happiness includes not recieving healthcare
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Maybe in a few decades you guys will get a completely publicly funded health care service and finally become considered the largest civilised democracy! Anyway, progress is progress, I suppose.
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