lifenews.com — Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Barack Obama is drawing gasps from pro-life advocates today over comments he made during a campaign stop in Pennsylvania over the weekend. The leading Democratic presidential candidate appeared to back a potential decision by his daughters to seek an abortion saying he wouldn't "punish" them with a baby.
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lydeckerApr 2, 2008
Well don't believe TV, I thought adult women knew that. Believe people.<a class="user" href="http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm">http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm</a>
eir574Apr 3, 2008
To clarify, lydecker, you're using the term "parasitic" in its biological sense. A parasitic organism derives its nutrition from another organism. The biological definition is a statement of fact, not a judgment of whether something is good or bad. But, the word has another meaning in a non-scientific context, and that meaning definitely has a negative connotation. You're using the biological definition, and I think KCLorelei is using the second definition.
nancyuApr 8, 2008
In 1958 Psychologist Solomon Asch did an experiment in which he asked a group of students, one at a time, to tell him which of three lines on one card matched the length of a line on another card. The task was repeated several times with different cards. In fact, all students in the group except one were collaborators of the experimenter and sometimes unanimously chose the wrong line. It was usually clear to the one “naïve subject” that everyone else was wrong, still 37 out of 50 naïve subjects conformed to the majority at least once and 14 of them conformed on more than 6 of the 12 trials. Asch concluded, “The tendency to conformity in our society is so strong that reasonably intelligent and well-meaning young people are willing to call white black.” Interviewed afterwards, most “conformers” confessed that they actually saw correctly but went along with the group when reporting. However as the experiment was frequently repeated, it unearthed a few subjects strongly maintaining their (incorrect) perception. Conclusion: although it may be true that (to some small extent) we actually see what we want to see, to a much larger extent our reports of what we see will conform to the group. (<a class="user" href="http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/asch_conformity.html)">http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/a ...</a>
nancyuApr 8, 2008
<a class="user" href="http://abortionno.org/Resources/abortion.html">http://abortionno.org/Resources/abortion.html</a>The GAP project may open some eyes, hearts, minds? I hope.
prolifemamaApr 8, 2008
?I should clarify, that pro-life position is most important in regards to abortion, as in it is more important than freedom and choice and controlling your body that pro-choice people believe.?Yes ? the prolife position is that a human being?s right to life supersedes another human being?s right to make free, independent choices. In other words, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. A person has freedom of choice as long as the consequence of their choice does not deprive someone else of their right to choose. Is a person?s right to life more important than another person?s right to control their own body? Yes. And in an abortion, another person?s body is destroyed, their life ended. An unborn baby is not part of his/her mother?s body ? s/he is only a temporary resident there. ?It is a biological fact that conception is a PART of the cycle of life. It's a complete lie to say it's the start. A sperm and an egg are not dead cells until they meet, and BOOM, hence a baby is created. It is not a concise beginning. It is an accepted important step, but not the only start.?True ? fertilization, implantation, gestation, birth, aging, death ? all are part of the cycle of life. However, it is also absolutely accurate to say, as all embryologists acknowledge, that each human being?s own individual life begins at his/her fertilization, or conception if you prefer. All life is a continuum, yes, but each person has a precise beginning and end.?If you think Pro-choice people don't support choice of keeping the baby and support through job-sharing, low cost/free prenatal care, etc. You are COMPLETELY mistaken. Pro-choicers do offer the choice of life, and ways to support that decision, no matter how much people would like to think they don't. Abortion clinics offer abortions, and family planning centers offer family planning.?While I actually know a few prochoice folk who do and have helped women in crisis pregnancies, there is a difference between individuals and institutions such as Planned Parenthood and private abortionists? offices. PP staff and abortionists? staff are taught to sell abortions. This is how they make their money. If a woman is encouraged to choose life-affirming options instead, the abortionist makes no money. The term ?family planning? is vague at best, and virtually all so-named centers either do abortions onsite or refer them out, especially PP. Read PP?s statistics, by their own research arm, the Guttmacher Institute. No adoption referrals were listed in PP?s 2005-06 annual report.?Now you say that conception is the start of life, but sperm and egg also have life... What? Maybe you have an interesting definition of life.?Yes, a very interesting definition ? the biological one. Once again, each human being?s life has a very concise beginning ? fertilization (conception, if you prefer). Ovum and sperm cells are living in that they function as other cells do, exchanging gases and metabolizing food. They have to be alive; otherwise fertilization would not occur. The notable difference between gametes, or sex cells (sperm and ovum) and other cells is that gametes only carry 23 chromosomes, the others contain 46. As soon as a sperm and ovum join, they have the normal total of 46.?A fertilized ovum is biologiocally much more than either of it's components. So is an implanted egg much more than a ovum, and a fetus is much more than an implanted egg. Duh, further along, it's more! Even though they all have the same potential.?While it is true that a fertilized ovum is much more than the sum of its parts (i.e., 46 chromosomes), a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, pre-term infant, born infant, toddler, high-schooler, legal voter, 30-something, retiree, and octogenarian are all stages of life of an individual person. Are you saying that your mom was more valuable, more worthy to live as an adult than as a toddler? That your baby cousin is more important a person at age 3 than after birth? We didn?t ?come from? fertilized ova (plural of ovum), we once WERE fertilized ova. We didn?t ?come from third-graders, we once WERE third-graders. ?He's pro choice, and choice includes abortion. He's for pro-abortion rights, not pro abortion. Pro abortion would be telling everyone to get abortions.?No, proabortion means in favor of abortions occurring. A quick review of Obama?s senate voting record will show that he is the most pro-abort candidate for President to date, more radical than even Hillary or Bill. He voted against requiring medical help for children who survive abortions. He voted against notifying parents of their minor children seeking abortion. He recently voted against the partial-birth abortion ban, a procedure in which a child is partially delivered up to the head, scissors forced into the base of the child?s skull to accommodate a suction tube which breaks up and removes the child?s brains, ensuring fetal death. This is not, BTW, an emergency procedure, as it takes three days from start to finish. Anyone with this kind of track record is not simply in favor of a woman?s right to choose; s/he is proabort through and through. Obama has no problems with abortions being performed, for any reason, for no reason, at any stage in pregnancy. Barack Obama is most definitely FOR abortion.
nancyuMay 30, 2008
Just reading through some old comments and thought I'd add that Ive changed my point of view since this post. Abortion is murder.An unborn child is a person.
witness1of2Sep 3, 2008
If 'Obama's Mama', unwed and carrying a mixed race child, had followed his advice we wouldn't be having this discussion... Doe's Obama think he was a punishment to his Mama??
Closed AccountSep 3, 2008
Up yours with the religious freaks comment. I know a gaggle of people who've "seen the light". "Roe" is one of those. All we really need to do is eliminate the litigation communists at the aclu, and a whole lot more people would probably do likewise.
parmenides1Sep 11, 2008
This article is a pretty serious distortion of what Obama actually said. He was asked about abstinance-only education and he said that he favors broader sex education, including birth-control. So the copmment about being "punished with a baby" had nothing to do with abortion. He was sayng that if one of his daughters engaged in casual sex (and what other kind is there for a teenager?), he would want her to at least have used contraception, as opposed to being saddled by teen motherhood. Perhaps "punishment" was a bad choiced of word, but it hardly matters.If you don't like his position on abortion, fine. I'm not too happy about it myself. But don't distort his words. That's why this presidential campaign is getting less and less serious by the day.