news.scotsman.com — A man convicted of trying to rape an 83-year-old woman was sentenced to eight lashes with a cat-o'-nine-tails, a punishment used by the British Navy in the 18th century and reinstated in the Bahamas 15 years ago.
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Closed AccountOct 11, 2006
@cquinnd point taken, it just pisses me off when people are prepared to abandon everything the civilised world has stood for and everything that extremely intelligent people have debated in history - they are prepared to abandon this and return to barbarism because they simply havnt thought about the arguments further than "me angry at rapist, me beat rapist, ha ha rapist deserve"
cquinndOct 11, 2006
Rape isn't about being desperate. Rape is about using sex to commit an act of violence. It isn't about the perpetrator being attracted to the victim, its about the perpetrator thinking he can get away with it.
corvidaeOct 11, 2006
Yeah, the part they don't mention about the cat-o-nine is that it's not just a whip. It's a flail. It removes flesh as it hits and leaves scarring that is unmistakable and very very permanent.The reason it was used for punishment wasn't just because it hurt like hell and deterred the person from commiting it again. It was because the guys that lived would be walking around on the boat without a shirt. Showing a set of scars that'll turn your stomach and make you think real hard before you do something that might get you a matching set.
kaptainkOct 11, 2006
I think a whipping is much less cruel than tossing someone in jail for 10 years... Lets see, you have a problem beating people, let lock you up for ten years with a lot of violent people where you learn no way to make a living, cost the tax payers, and cant support your family if you have one...Or we could beat you, let you go, and give you a chance to be a good member of society without putting you in a school for being a life-long criminal.... Would you rather have the s**t beat out of you, or spend several years in jail? I would take the beating for sure.
rhinobirdOct 11, 2006
Firstly, the cat'o'nine tails is a bit much, that would fail into the cruel category of cruel and unusual. But if you change from that to say a public paddling, then what?Answers to you questions, but the public "torture" is a paddling.what crimes would you support public torture for? Shoplifting, vandalism, any number of petty crimes.ANd what burden of evidence, must have dna at crime scene? or would you just settle for eye witness testimoney?What ever evidence is needed to convict. There are already all kinds of rules for what can be admitted. This is punishment, they've already been found guilty. The trial is over.What would you support we do in cases where we get it wrong?Same we do now when a wrongly convicted person has spent his life in prison...nothingIF you were ever mistakenly lashed, would you still feel the same way, that it is just a consequence of livng in a country with a rule of law that has draconian punishments?Probably not, but then, I have been spanked as a child and understand why it was done, and now agree with it...at the time I was severly opposed.
Closed AccountOct 11, 2006
you did see where this guy still was getting 16 years?if you have ever seen anyone lashed, the scars are permanentI dont think anyone in here is talking about choice of time versus beating... you would surly have the same people arguing for a beating, arguing against letting them go afterwards.SO what is your age limit? can we do it to a ten year old? a girl? DO we make a machine do it to make sure the head torturere isnt in a abd mood mood and beats someone too hard.Have you actaully seent he passion of christ? They lashed him through out the whole film...You knpow what would happen if we did this publically? It would be come popular, jst like the roman games, we would probably even look for people to beat, people would be on if they cried or passed out from the beatings.It is amazing that after 6 years this countries attitudes can be so changed.Is crime really that rampent? You do know that in the past decade violent crime has actually gone down? WHat ever we are doing it is working... no reason to change./
Closed AccountOct 11, 2006
For those of you that insist that Corporeal punishment does not work, you should at least find out whether it really does or not before making such wild-a$$ speculation. For example, consider Singapore – a country that uses Corporeal Punishment quite frequently in the form of a Rattan Cane across the arse. Now…you may say such a thing is cruel, yet it works and works well. Singapore is one of the safest countries on earth.Go there. See for yourself. Walk alone at night most anywhere. You will be perfectly fine.See…a cane across the arse really straightens out the baddies!
unibomber999Oct 12, 2006
yeah, they seem to be missing the retribution part of justice. Let's say someone rapes and kills your Mom, are you going to be satisfied that he is now living in a facility tucked away from society, watching tv, eating 3 square meals a day and working out? No, you are going to hope he gets ass raped and killed in prison. If our prisons were actually what we intend them to be, then there would be no raping/killing in prison and it wouldn't be that bad of a place. It's the corporal punishment unintentionally built into the system that gives victims their retribution.In the end, what's a few lashes. Yeah, it hurts the criminal, but it reinforces our public condemnation of the crime. Criminals should be placed in cages in public places so that they can be spit on and ridiculed. There should be no honor in being a thief. There should be no "street cred" for killing another human being. You should be showcased as the lowlife that you are. This would reinforce our societal values to everyone by putting criminals in their proper place in the heirarchy, as human spitoons.If you think this wouldn't be a deterrent, then you don't understand human nature. There was a reason that execution used to be public. People respond to communal condemnation.