news.yahoo.com— Garry Kasparov, Russian opposition leader and former world chess champion, was released after being arrested for participating in an anti-Putin rally
Apr 14, 2007View in Crawl 4
LOL, I love all these most by clueless comparing the US to Russia in terms of loss of civil liberties and other stupidity? "First of all the article barely mentions (and most others dont even bother to) that there was infact an area prepared for them to protest, the area they got a permit for."Do you know where this designated area is? Have you ever lived in Moscow? Did you also know that a pro-government organization booked that square (and got a permit) with the sole purpose to not let the opposition have a march? They where even open about it. And the funniest thing was that in the the end the pro-government fascists never showed up. Is it normal to have government organization do this kind of s**t? "He has effectively ended the war in Chechnya"Right, and it doesn't matter that he effectively did this by institution a warlord who is involved with people disappearing, torture and god knows what. What about the institutionalized kidnapping that goes on in chechnya, is that normal? "watched over a massive economic boom and prevented overzealous thieves from hoarding up Russia's natural resources"You just sounds like Russian TV. Are you so stupid that you think that thieves aren't hoarding Russia natural resources? Are you so dumb that you actually believe that Putin is trying to do whats best for the country? Just because there is more money to go around because of high oil prices doesn't mean that the government and special interest groups aren't stealing more. "In my opinion Russia is just too big and diverse a country to be governed normally."Pfff, this is not for you to decide, you obviously have very little understanding of Russia and how it works. Just because your sources present everything to be just fine in Russia because of strong central leadership, that does everything is fine.
It is insane to me the number of people defending Putin's policy of violently crushing any dissent. In a country with State-controlled media, government-issued "approval ratings" mean less than nothing.
@endofeternity"Do you know where this designated area is? Have you ever lived in Moscow?"I live in Moscow. And i know this disignated area pretty well. Turgenevskaya square is a nice place for a rally. Just a mile away from Tverskaya str which is just unacceptable for a march because of the busy traffic."pro-government organization booked that square (and got a permit)"Rally is ok for that place. March is not. Kasparov & Co asked permission for this march on unacceptable terms because they weren't interested in a peaceful rally in the first place. The only way to bring attention to themselves is to provoke a fight and play a victim.
@swrostmore"You are blaming the protesters"The real protesters (~2000 people) successfully protested on Turgenevskaya square. I'm blaming ~600 freaks that started a march (<a class="user" href="http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mnog2/nbpppp2222.jpg).">http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mnog2/nbpppp2222.jpg).</a> Police has blocked their way. They've attacked."getting beaten down"I've seen hundreds of photographs and videos taken by members of this march. But haven't seen an actual beating or a single injury."and arrested by gestapo"Those who were too aggressive were dragged away and taken into custody. Police reports were quickly filed and they were free to go.
nattercaApr 15, 2007
In Soviet Russia, state checks you!!
jagulaApr 15, 2007
In Soviet Russia, Kasparov frees you!My lord, I must be the first person since Smirnoff to use that one!
endofeternityApr 15, 2007
LOL, I love all these most by clueless comparing the US to Russia in terms of loss of civil liberties and other stupidity? "First of all the article barely mentions (and most others dont even bother to) that there was infact an area prepared for them to protest, the area they got a permit for."Do you know where this designated area is? Have you ever lived in Moscow? Did you also know that a pro-government organization booked that square (and got a permit) with the sole purpose to not let the opposition have a march? They where even open about it. And the funniest thing was that in the the end the pro-government fascists never showed up. Is it normal to have government organization do this kind of s**t? "He has effectively ended the war in Chechnya"Right, and it doesn't matter that he effectively did this by institution a warlord who is involved with people disappearing, torture and god knows what. What about the institutionalized kidnapping that goes on in chechnya, is that normal? "watched over a massive economic boom and prevented overzealous thieves from hoarding up Russia's natural resources"You just sounds like Russian TV. Are you so stupid that you think that thieves aren't hoarding Russia natural resources? Are you so dumb that you actually believe that Putin is trying to do whats best for the country? Just because there is more money to go around because of high oil prices doesn't mean that the government and special interest groups aren't stealing more. "In my opinion Russia is just too big and diverse a country to be governed normally."Pfff, this is not for you to decide, you obviously have very little understanding of Russia and how it works. Just because your sources present everything to be just fine in Russia because of strong central leadership, that does everything is fine.
swrostmoreApr 15, 2007
It is insane to me the number of people defending Putin's policy of violently crushing any dissent. In a country with State-controlled media, government-issued "approval ratings" mean less than nothing.
turchinskiApr 16, 2007
@endofeternity"Do you know where this designated area is? Have you ever lived in Moscow?"I live in Moscow. And i know this disignated area pretty well. Turgenevskaya square is a nice place for a rally. Just a mile away from Tverskaya str which is just unacceptable for a march because of the busy traffic."pro-government organization booked that square (and got a permit)"Rally is ok for that place. March is not. Kasparov & Co asked permission for this march on unacceptable terms because they weren't interested in a peaceful rally in the first place. The only way to bring attention to themselves is to provoke a fight and play a victim.
turchinskiApr 17, 2007
@swrostmore"You are blaming the protesters"The real protesters (~2000 people) successfully protested on Turgenevskaya square. I'm blaming ~600 freaks that started a march (<a class="user" href="http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mnog2/nbpppp2222.jpg).">http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mnog2/nbpppp2222.jpg).</a> Police has blocked their way. They've attacked."getting beaten down"I've seen hundreds of photographs and videos taken by members of this march. But haven't seen an actual beating or a single injury."and arrested by gestapo"Those who were too aggressive were dragged away and taken into custody. Police reports were quickly filed and they were free to go.
penguinshomeApr 24, 2007
checkmate.