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"Although I disagree with your position, morelia, I have to give you credit for being so tenacious and single-handedly taking on the entire digg community. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but organizations cannot be granted immunity vis-a-vis freedom of religion for criminal activity."Ohh, do not confuse tenacity with fanaticism. Morelia is not courageous, morelia is a brainwashed idiot who actually believes is in possession of the truth. Anybody that hears a story that belongs in the superhero comics, and makes that their religion, obviously has something wrong in their head and should go to the psychiatrist... but of course, that is forbidden in their cult.
@macmcraeYou're full of s**t. Both streams are available to Mac users, as RealMedia Player is available natively, and Windows Media files can be played inside Quicktime with the help of Flip4Mac. I just watched it on my MacBook Pro.Any video that can be viewed (or streamed) on a PC can also be viewed on a Mac.
Inaccurate in some spots and wildly biased. The vast majority of the interviews were from people who didn't like Scientology. This guy obviously had preconceived notions about the religion and wasn't willing to change his mind about them, nor did he even consider the possibility. This story had very few facts and was filled with opinions. There is no doubt that this guy's intention was not to report reality but to twist people's opinions and to create new bigots.I'm a Scientologist and I love my religion. Brainwashing has not occurred. In fact, Scientology is the exact opposite of brainwashing. I looked into brainwashing when I first heard this rumor. In brainwashing, there are 3 key ingredients: unconsciousness, pain and suggestion (hypnosis). Unconsciousness and pain can be (and usually are) provided by drugs (i.e. general anesthetics). In Scientology, we actually aren't allowed to take the classes or receive the spiritual counseling if we've had most drugs within the past 24 hours (this includes alcohol, but not nicotine or caffeine). Sometimes, depending on the drug and the dosage of said drug, we have to wait a week. So, brainwashing can't possibly occur.In Scientology, every step of the way, you are allowed to make your own decisions. No one ever forces anything on you. If someone tries to force something on you, it isn't Scientology.
"The British Broadcasting Corporation, which is usually known as the BBC, is the largest broadcasting corporation in the world in terms of audience numbers, employing 26,000 staff in the United Kingdom alone and with a budget of more than GBP£4 billion." - wikipediaThe lawyers would feel like a gnat hitting the front of a Airbus A380.The real sad fact is the rule of no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity holds, and some people will hear something about this, and side with the moronologist scientologists
From what I have been able to find out, you should google: Fishman Affidavit - it's probably a pdf file. According to this site: <a class="user" href="http://www.lermanet.com/xenu-in-southpark-is-real.htm">http://www.lermanet.com/xenu-in-southpark-is-real. ...</a>Execrpt from Judge Brinkema's Memorandum Opinion in RTC vs Lerma"On April 14, 1993, Fishman filed in the open court file what has come to be known as the Fishman Affidavit, to which were attached 69 pages of what the Religious Technology Center ("RTC") describes as various Advanced Technology works, specifically levels OT-I through OT-VII documents. Plaintiff claims that these documents are protected from both unauthorized use and unauthorized disclosure under the copyright laws of the United States and under trade secret laws, respectively.In California, the RTC moved to seal the Fishman affidavit, arguing that the attached AT documents were trade secrets. That motion was denied and the Ninth Circuit upheld the district court's decision not to seal the file. Church of Scientology Int'l v Fishman, 35 F.3d 570 (9th Cir. 1994). The case was remanded for further proceedings and the district court again declined to seal the file, which remained unsealed until August 15, 1995.Defendant Arnaldo Lerma, another former Scientologist, obtained a copy of the Fishman affidavit and the attached AT documents. Lerma admits that on July 31 and August 1, 1995, he published the AT documents on the Internet through defendant Digital Gateway Systems ("DGS"), an internet service provider. RTC, which regularly scans the Internet, discovered the publication of documents and on August 11, 1995, warned Lerma to return the AT documents and not publish them any further. After Lerma refused to cooperate, RTC obtained a Temporary Restraining Order prohibiting Lerma from any further publication of the documents and a seizure warrant which authorized the United States Marshal to seize Lerma's personal computer, floppy disks and any copies of the copyrighted works of L. Ron Hubbard, the author of the AT documents.During the same time period, on or about August 5 or 6, 1995, Lerma sent a hard copy of the Fishman Affidavit and AT attachments to Richard Leiby, an investigative reporter for the Washington Post. On August 12, 1995, counsel for RTC discovered this disclosure and approached the Post, which was told that the Fishman affidavit might be stolen. In response to the RTC's representations, The Post returned the actual copy which Lerma had given it. However, the Post had by then learned that a copy of the same Fishman affidavit was available in the open court file in the United States District Court for the Central District of California. On August 14, 1995, The Post sent Kathryn Wexler, a news aide stationed in California, to that court to obtain a copy for Wexler, who then mailed it Washington. Although it is undisputed that RTC staff members had been checking that file out and holding it all day to prevent anyone from seeing it, the file was not sealed and obviously was available, upon request, to any member of the public who wished to see it." (end of Excerpt of Judge Brinkema's 5 Dec 95 Opinion)
68024May 15, 2007
Proud to be the 100th person to bury this comment ^_^
gabogabMay 15, 2007
"Although I disagree with your position, morelia, I have to give you credit for being so tenacious and single-handedly taking on the entire digg community. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but organizations cannot be granted immunity vis-a-vis freedom of religion for criminal activity."Ohh, do not confuse tenacity with fanaticism. Morelia is not courageous, morelia is a brainwashed idiot who actually believes is in possession of the truth. Anybody that hears a story that belongs in the superhero comics, and makes that their religion, obviously has something wrong in their head and should go to the psychiatrist... but of course, that is forbidden in their cult.
pasteeaterMay 16, 2007
@macmcraeYou're full of s**t. Both streams are available to Mac users, as RealMedia Player is available natively, and Windows Media files can be played inside Quicktime with the help of Flip4Mac. I just watched it on my MacBook Pro.Any video that can be viewed (or streamed) on a PC can also be viewed on a Mac.
nosmasMay 17, 2007
Inaccurate in some spots and wildly biased. The vast majority of the interviews were from people who didn't like Scientology. This guy obviously had preconceived notions about the religion and wasn't willing to change his mind about them, nor did he even consider the possibility. This story had very few facts and was filled with opinions. There is no doubt that this guy's intention was not to report reality but to twist people's opinions and to create new bigots.I'm a Scientologist and I love my religion. Brainwashing has not occurred. In fact, Scientology is the exact opposite of brainwashing. I looked into brainwashing when I first heard this rumor. In brainwashing, there are 3 key ingredients: unconsciousness, pain and suggestion (hypnosis). Unconsciousness and pain can be (and usually are) provided by drugs (i.e. general anesthetics). In Scientology, we actually aren't allowed to take the classes or receive the spiritual counseling if we've had most drugs within the past 24 hours (this includes alcohol, but not nicotine or caffeine). Sometimes, depending on the drug and the dosage of said drug, we have to wait a week. So, brainwashing can't possibly occur.In Scientology, every step of the way, you are allowed to make your own decisions. No one ever forces anything on you. If someone tries to force something on you, it isn't Scientology.
someotherdudeMay 17, 2007
Dear Morelia,You are not Rosa Parks, you are a dick.Sincerely YoursDigg
Closed AccountMay 19, 2007
"How can Scientology have brainwashed me if I am not a Scientologist, which I am not?"Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
diggitizerJul 31, 2007
"The British Broadcasting Corporation, which is usually known as the BBC, is the largest broadcasting corporation in the world in terms of audience numbers, employing 26,000 staff in the United Kingdom alone and with a budget of more than GBP£4 billion." - wikipediaThe lawyers would feel like a gnat hitting the front of a Airbus A380.The real sad fact is the rule of no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity holds, and some people will hear something about this, and side with the moronologist scientologists
diggitizerJul 31, 2007
double submit. how 1990
chris663Jan 1, 2008
you can find tons of fee documentaries on <a class="user" href="http://freedocumentaries.net/">http://freedocumentaries.net/</a>
steve34Mar 3, 2008
I couldn't find the all the documentaries on that link there are some on <a class="user" href="http://freedocumentaries.net/">http://freedocumentaries.net/</a> but not all of them
normalbob1482Apr 14, 2008
From what I have been able to find out, you should google: Fishman Affidavit - it's probably a pdf file. According to this site: <a class="user" href="http://www.lermanet.com/xenu-in-southpark-is-real.htm">http://www.lermanet.com/xenu-in-southpark-is-real. ...</a>Execrpt from Judge Brinkema's Memorandum Opinion in RTC vs Lerma"On April 14, 1993, Fishman filed in the open court file what has come to be known as the Fishman Affidavit, to which were attached 69 pages of what the Religious Technology Center ("RTC") describes as various Advanced Technology works, specifically levels OT-I through OT-VII documents. Plaintiff claims that these documents are protected from both unauthorized use and unauthorized disclosure under the copyright laws of the United States and under trade secret laws, respectively.In California, the RTC moved to seal the Fishman affidavit, arguing that the attached AT documents were trade secrets. That motion was denied and the Ninth Circuit upheld the district court's decision not to seal the file. Church of Scientology Int'l v Fishman, 35 F.3d 570 (9th Cir. 1994). The case was remanded for further proceedings and the district court again declined to seal the file, which remained unsealed until August 15, 1995.Defendant Arnaldo Lerma, another former Scientologist, obtained a copy of the Fishman affidavit and the attached AT documents. Lerma admits that on July 31 and August 1, 1995, he published the AT documents on the Internet through defendant Digital Gateway Systems ("DGS"), an internet service provider. RTC, which regularly scans the Internet, discovered the publication of documents and on August 11, 1995, warned Lerma to return the AT documents and not publish them any further. After Lerma refused to cooperate, RTC obtained a Temporary Restraining Order prohibiting Lerma from any further publication of the documents and a seizure warrant which authorized the United States Marshal to seize Lerma's personal computer, floppy disks and any copies of the copyrighted works of L. Ron Hubbard, the author of the AT documents.During the same time period, on or about August 5 or 6, 1995, Lerma sent a hard copy of the Fishman Affidavit and AT attachments to Richard Leiby, an investigative reporter for the Washington Post. On August 12, 1995, counsel for RTC discovered this disclosure and approached the Post, which was told that the Fishman affidavit might be stolen. In response to the RTC's representations, The Post returned the actual copy which Lerma had given it. However, the Post had by then learned that a copy of the same Fishman affidavit was available in the open court file in the United States District Court for the Central District of California. On August 14, 1995, The Post sent Kathryn Wexler, a news aide stationed in California, to that court to obtain a copy for Wexler, who then mailed it Washington. Although it is undisputed that RTC staff members had been checking that file out and holding it all day to prevent anyone from seeing it, the file was not sealed and obviously was available, upon request, to any member of the public who wished to see it." (end of Excerpt of Judge Brinkema's 5 Dec 95 Opinion)