news.bbc.co.uk— At least a quarter of long-term smokers will develop the incurable lung condition chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a study suggests.
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OK. So where are the "personal responsibility" idiots?PBI1: "Arr.. arr.. arr... I'll be goddamned before I let anyone tell me that smoking is bad even if they claim to back it up with science. It's junk science I tell you! Junk science! I had an uncle who smoked 200 packs a day for 95 years and he lived to be 1000 years old. So don't you go telling me what's good for me or not! PERSONAL REPONSIBILITY!! I'm smart enough to know what's good for me and if smoking like a chimney causes a few minor health inconveniences later in life, I'm not going to worry about it"!PBI2: " Bah! Those insane jackbooted thugs are really part of the big anti-gun lobby. Nothing but the nanny state!! They want to disarm us as well as take away our right to ingest whatever pleases us! They know that by suing the very moral and good cigarrete companies they can do evil and immoral things, like giving people free e-Checks on their cars! (ed note: true in my state of Ohio) It's my money goddammit and I'll spend it any way I want. I certainly don't want the nanny state telling me I can't buy cigarrettes, or that the money I invested in all those packs over the years will get funnelled into paying for something as evil as an environmental protection project. Flithy liars all want my money goddammit!!!"So anyone want to refute me as I KNOW I speak the truth...
doctechnical, read my comment further above about genetic damage. Passive smoke causes this too. So, no thanks I don't want to deal with your smoke when I'm in public.
Anybody here found an effective way to quit? I have tried to quit several times of my own will power unsuccessfully. I am willing to try anything! It is not a matter of being a "gullible moron". I made a poor choice to do something when I was young and I only cared about that moment. Now, as I get older and my view of life has expanded I wish to quit but cannot stop myself.
@ Falcon19This book - Allen Carr's "Easy Way to Stop Smoking". As cheesy as it sounds, it worked like a charm for me (but not for my wife - she's too pigheaded)
This text was written in 1977:"It may surprise some people to know that the first reports linking tobacco and cancer were published in the 1920s. In the last forty years, literally thousands of medical investigators have studied millions of people and put together a picture of tobacco’s association with cancer, heart attacks, strokes, and chronic lung disease. 1 These conditions account for over half of the deaths in the United States annually. The first famous “Surgeon General’s Report” was published in 1964. By 1975, eight additional reports on smoking and disease had been prepared by government scientists; just these summaries fill more than 2,000 pages."U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, Public Health Service, Smoking and Health, Report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General of the Public Health Service (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964); U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, The Health Consequences of Smoking (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
We need to pay more attention to the subtle statistical terms used in the article. * Over 25 years, 109/2900 = 3.75% died from COPD. Hardly significant. Of the 109, 9 of 10 smokers died = 3.38%. * At least 25% had clinically significant COPD. And 40% had some symptoms. Very vague. * At the end of the study, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function well. However, the same was true for only six out of 10 of those who continued smoking. No evidence provided that the 4 whose lungs didn't function well was strictly due to smoking. And what does the term "functioning well" mean? I agree cigarette smoking kills over the long term. But studies like this which are rooted in scaremongering are the primary reason why nobody cares anymore.
Why don't people who want to quit smoking simply stop buying cigarettes? Let's suppose you're at the counter with packs of cigarettes behind it. What is making you ask the sales person to get you a pack? Before you ask, why not NOT ask? Instead, just make your regular purchase and move on. Focus on not buying cigarettes instead of not smoking them. The craziest thing to me is when people say they're trying to quit, yet they have a pack of cigarettes with them. That makes no sense. Why are you making cigarettes accessible to yourself when you've supposedly quit?I've never smoked before but I'm not sure I feel bad for people that do. It's obvious it's bad for you, and expensive. Why start? I personally think smoking makes someone appear less intelligent, regardless of their actual intelligence.
"Yes, life is a terminal condition. Smoking, however, makes your like suck, and gives you a long, painful death. Imagine being hooked up to an oxygen tank, wheezing for breath through tar-encrusted lungs. Doesn't that sound like great fun?"Bulls**t. Smoking makes my quality of life better. I know all the risks and still choose to do it - not because I'm stupid or was brainwashed by cartoon camels as a kid, think that it "looks cool" or can't stop. I do it because it makes me feel good, gives me something to do when I'm bored and relaxes me when I'm stressed out. If it shaves a few years off my life span, so f**king what? Is longevity really that important? Are you really looking forward to spending those last 40 years alone in an old folks home? Why is our society so obsessed with prolonging life? As far as being on oxygen and all that s**t... Last time I checked, bullets were still pretty cheap and you only need one. Just to clarify... I don't overdo it with the cigs, as 2 packs last me about a week. I also go out of my way to avoid exposing non-smokers to my smoke and to properly dispose of my butts. I don't even smoke inside my own house, as I think that it's nasty too. I step out the back door for a puff when I need to.I still think it's f**king wrong of the government to step in and ban smoking in all pubs in my city. I think it should be up to the pub owners whether to allow smoking or not. We smokers deserve to have a place where we can go and light one up while having a cold brew. It's an issue of personal freedom. If the pub owner wants to cater to smokers, what right does the government have to prevent him from doing so?
I am a smoker and i smoke 40 cigs a day...but please do not lump me in with some of the smokers in here...i DO NOT believe it is my right to blow smoke is any ones faceI DO NOT believe it is my right to force someone to breath my smokeI DO NOT believe it is my right to smoke in public places..especially confined spaces like restaurants, bars etc etc... up until relatively recently i could, so i did...but in hindsight it is a terrible thing to impose on a non-smoker. I even hate the smell of the bloody things.If someone stood up and farted in my face, tho nowhere near as smelly and as harmful as cigs smoke, they would get a quick smack in the mouth. Yet us smokers have been doing this to non-smokers for years. I wont be doing that anymore...not because i cant...because i have grown up and realized it is a bloody awful thing to do. I smoke in the privacy of my own home...usually in the back yard...don't want it stinking the house out.I can't understand why smokers STILL hold this attitude that it is some fundamental freedom to expose non-smokers to that danger. I used to hold that attitude and to this day i still don't know why i did. and that guy AlexApetrei...god...I would hate to be ur friend. Hell of a lot of anger there mate. Maybe u should stop smoking...it certainly isn't calming you down.
vincenoirOct 17, 2006
OK. So where are the "personal responsibility" idiots?PBI1: "Arr.. arr.. arr... I'll be goddamned before I let anyone tell me that smoking is bad even if they claim to back it up with science. It's junk science I tell you! Junk science! I had an uncle who smoked 200 packs a day for 95 years and he lived to be 1000 years old. So don't you go telling me what's good for me or not! PERSONAL REPONSIBILITY!! I'm smart enough to know what's good for me and if smoking like a chimney causes a few minor health inconveniences later in life, I'm not going to worry about it"!PBI2: " Bah! Those insane jackbooted thugs are really part of the big anti-gun lobby. Nothing but the nanny state!! They want to disarm us as well as take away our right to ingest whatever pleases us! They know that by suing the very moral and good cigarrete companies they can do evil and immoral things, like giving people free e-Checks on their cars! (ed note: true in my state of Ohio) It's my money goddammit and I'll spend it any way I want. I certainly don't want the nanny state telling me I can't buy cigarrettes, or that the money I invested in all those packs over the years will get funnelled into paying for something as evil as an environmental protection project. Flithy liars all want my money goddammit!!!"So anyone want to refute me as I KNOW I speak the truth...
onymousheroOct 17, 2006
doctechnical, read my comment further above about genetic damage. Passive smoke causes this too. So, no thanks I don't want to deal with your smoke when I'm in public.
falcon19Oct 17, 2006
Anybody here found an effective way to quit? I have tried to quit several times of my own will power unsuccessfully. I am willing to try anything! It is not a matter of being a "gullible moron". I made a poor choice to do something when I was young and I only cared about that moment. Now, as I get older and my view of life has expanded I wish to quit but cannot stop myself.
zeibenOct 17, 2006
@ Falcon19This book - Allen Carr's "Easy Way to Stop Smoking". As cheesy as it sounds, it worked like a charm for me (but not for my wife - she's too pigheaded)
ryannerdOct 17, 2006
This text was written in 1977:"It may surprise some people to know that the first reports linking tobacco and cancer were published in the 1920s. In the last forty years, literally thousands of medical investigators have studied millions of people and put together a picture of tobacco’s association with cancer, heart attacks, strokes, and chronic lung disease. 1 These conditions account for over half of the deaths in the United States annually. The first famous “Surgeon General’s Report” was published in 1964. By 1975, eight additional reports on smoking and disease had been prepared by government scientists; just these summaries fill more than 2,000 pages."U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, Public Health Service, Smoking and Health, Report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General of the Public Health Service (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964); U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, The Health Consequences of Smoking (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
ooliticOct 17, 2006
We need to pay more attention to the subtle statistical terms used in the article. * Over 25 years, 109/2900 = 3.75% died from COPD. Hardly significant. Of the 109, 9 of 10 smokers died = 3.38%. * At least 25% had clinically significant COPD. And 40% had some symptoms. Very vague. * At the end of the study, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function well. However, the same was true for only six out of 10 of those who continued smoking. No evidence provided that the 4 whose lungs didn't function well was strictly due to smoking. And what does the term "functioning well" mean? I agree cigarette smoking kills over the long term. But studies like this which are rooted in scaremongering are the primary reason why nobody cares anymore.
jackhallowsOct 17, 2006
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jefflundbergOct 17, 2006
Why don't people who want to quit smoking simply stop buying cigarettes? Let's suppose you're at the counter with packs of cigarettes behind it. What is making you ask the sales person to get you a pack? Before you ask, why not NOT ask? Instead, just make your regular purchase and move on. Focus on not buying cigarettes instead of not smoking them. The craziest thing to me is when people say they're trying to quit, yet they have a pack of cigarettes with them. That makes no sense. Why are you making cigarettes accessible to yourself when you've supposedly quit?I've never smoked before but I'm not sure I feel bad for people that do. It's obvious it's bad for you, and expensive. Why start? I personally think smoking makes someone appear less intelligent, regardless of their actual intelligence.
babywookieOct 17, 2006
"Yes, life is a terminal condition. Smoking, however, makes your like suck, and gives you a long, painful death. Imagine being hooked up to an oxygen tank, wheezing for breath through tar-encrusted lungs. Doesn't that sound like great fun?"Bulls**t. Smoking makes my quality of life better. I know all the risks and still choose to do it - not because I'm stupid or was brainwashed by cartoon camels as a kid, think that it "looks cool" or can't stop. I do it because it makes me feel good, gives me something to do when I'm bored and relaxes me when I'm stressed out. If it shaves a few years off my life span, so f**king what? Is longevity really that important? Are you really looking forward to spending those last 40 years alone in an old folks home? Why is our society so obsessed with prolonging life? As far as being on oxygen and all that s**t... Last time I checked, bullets were still pretty cheap and you only need one. Just to clarify... I don't overdo it with the cigs, as 2 packs last me about a week. I also go out of my way to avoid exposing non-smokers to my smoke and to properly dispose of my butts. I don't even smoke inside my own house, as I think that it's nasty too. I step out the back door for a puff when I need to.I still think it's f**king wrong of the government to step in and ban smoking in all pubs in my city. I think it should be up to the pub owners whether to allow smoking or not. We smokers deserve to have a place where we can go and light one up while having a cold brew. It's an issue of personal freedom. If the pub owner wants to cater to smokers, what right does the government have to prevent him from doing so?
tabulaFeb 7, 2007
I am a smoker and i smoke 40 cigs a day...but please do not lump me in with some of the smokers in here...i DO NOT believe it is my right to blow smoke is any ones faceI DO NOT believe it is my right to force someone to breath my smokeI DO NOT believe it is my right to smoke in public places..especially confined spaces like restaurants, bars etc etc... up until relatively recently i could, so i did...but in hindsight it is a terrible thing to impose on a non-smoker. I even hate the smell of the bloody things.If someone stood up and farted in my face, tho nowhere near as smelly and as harmful as cigs smoke, they would get a quick smack in the mouth. Yet us smokers have been doing this to non-smokers for years. I wont be doing that anymore...not because i cant...because i have grown up and realized it is a bloody awful thing to do. I smoke in the privacy of my own home...usually in the back yard...don't want it stinking the house out.I can't understand why smokers STILL hold this attitude that it is some fundamental freedom to expose non-smokers to that danger. I used to hold that attitude and to this day i still don't know why i did. and that guy AlexApetrei...god...I would hate to be ur friend. Hell of a lot of anger there mate. Maybe u should stop smoking...it certainly isn't calming you down.