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Oct 18, 2006View in Crawl 4
It's not just saying that most people are pirates, it's also saying that most pirates are customers and that most customers are artists. It's saying that even the much vilified pirates support the industry, whether it's by purchasing the music or creating it.It may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure it was just made to illustrate a point. It's not a pie chart.
For those of you who are saying that there's some kind of paucity of "artists": How many of you know someone who can draw well? How many of you know someone who can sing, play an instrument, write, sculpt, paint, cook, etc? How about someone who customizes cars, designs clothing, or does any sort of "crafts"? How many Diggers here do digital photography, mix music, compose music, use Photoshop on a regular basis, edit video, create 3D artwork, write code, design layouts...?Honestly, I think you need to take a look at the talents of the people around you. Almost everyone has some kind of creative ability even if they do not pursue it professionally or do not conceive of it as "art". Just because someone doesn't make money from doing something, or because something is not thought of as "high art" doesn't mean that the person isn't an artist or that the work is without merit. Take a look at archaeology: A huge portion of what archaeological digs uncover are things like pots, jewelry, and icons. Is a necklace made from shells art? Yes. Is a tiny clay figurine art? Yes. Is a jar with a decorative handle art? Yes. The vast majority of all art in the world is made by everyday people who receive no special accolades or compensation for what they do.
noreturn: "Most everyone can do something to some extent, some people can even do things well. That doesn't make them an artist."What does make someone an artist, then? I'm not trying to be snide here, but it's a question I think it's genuinely pertinent to ask. Is it the sole dedication to one or another art form? Is it quantity of work? Is it quality of work, and, if so, who decides what is qualitatively better? Is it popularity or fame? Is it lasting appeal?It seems to me that you place special significance on the term artist, as if it is some kind of title. To me, an artist is anyone who is involved in some form of task involving both skill and imagination that inspires an observer with its qualities. Naturally, there are degrees. Artists, good artists, better artists, great artists, and so on. But to deny that any person can be an artist strikes me as a pretty dim view of the world: Just because some piece of artwork that is significant to me may not have a lasting cultural significance does not diminish its personal value.Of course, to get back to the real point here: What is the corporate definition of an artist? The corporate definition of an artist is, for example, some all-American southern girl who [was] attractive (Britney Spears). Songs she sang were written by anonymous songwriters, the music was written by anonymous composers, performed by anonymous musicians. Her voice was pitch-corrected, digitized, and improved by anonymous sound technicians. She danced dances taught to her by anonymous instructors, had her CD artwork made by anonymous photographers and artists, her outfits made by anonymous clothes designers, ... In other words, the corporate definition of an artist is wide enough to include someone with virtually no talent whatsoever whose entire career depended upon a coterie of hundreds to thousands of people working their butts off to support her manufactured success. By any definition the RIAA uses to discuss "artists" virtually everyone is an artist.
@warbird: you are getting dugg down and you do NOT deserve it. Given this diagram has no data it's speculation at best. It doesn't even represent much except saying most everyone is an artist, pirate, and customer. I can say everyone is a homo, lesbian, and straight on the inside and draw a diagram similar to this but does it mean anything?
heh, this diagram may mean more to me than most of you here, but then again its my choice interpretation of it. pirates buy and give awa content. customers buy and give away content (fan works), artists buy and give away contentthe center is the marketing core that holds them together. It is the fandom.
Closed AccountOct 19, 2006
by "ordinary punters" you mean of course "pirating motherf**kers"
matriOct 19, 2006
Link? :D
heypansOct 19, 2006
It's not just saying that most people are pirates, it's also saying that most pirates are customers and that most customers are artists. It's saying that even the much vilified pirates support the industry, whether it's by purchasing the music or creating it.It may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure it was just made to illustrate a point. It's not a pie chart.
wailosOct 19, 2006
For those of you who are saying that there's some kind of paucity of "artists": How many of you know someone who can draw well? How many of you know someone who can sing, play an instrument, write, sculpt, paint, cook, etc? How about someone who customizes cars, designs clothing, or does any sort of "crafts"? How many Diggers here do digital photography, mix music, compose music, use Photoshop on a regular basis, edit video, create 3D artwork, write code, design layouts...?Honestly, I think you need to take a look at the talents of the people around you. Almost everyone has some kind of creative ability even if they do not pursue it professionally or do not conceive of it as "art". Just because someone doesn't make money from doing something, or because something is not thought of as "high art" doesn't mean that the person isn't an artist or that the work is without merit. Take a look at archaeology: A huge portion of what archaeological digs uncover are things like pots, jewelry, and icons. Is a necklace made from shells art? Yes. Is a tiny clay figurine art? Yes. Is a jar with a decorative handle art? Yes. The vast majority of all art in the world is made by everyday people who receive no special accolades or compensation for what they do.
wailosOct 19, 2006
noreturn: "Most everyone can do something to some extent, some people can even do things well. That doesn't make them an artist."What does make someone an artist, then? I'm not trying to be snide here, but it's a question I think it's genuinely pertinent to ask. Is it the sole dedication to one or another art form? Is it quantity of work? Is it quality of work, and, if so, who decides what is qualitatively better? Is it popularity or fame? Is it lasting appeal?It seems to me that you place special significance on the term artist, as if it is some kind of title. To me, an artist is anyone who is involved in some form of task involving both skill and imagination that inspires an observer with its qualities. Naturally, there are degrees. Artists, good artists, better artists, great artists, and so on. But to deny that any person can be an artist strikes me as a pretty dim view of the world: Just because some piece of artwork that is significant to me may not have a lasting cultural significance does not diminish its personal value.Of course, to get back to the real point here: What is the corporate definition of an artist? The corporate definition of an artist is, for example, some all-American southern girl who [was] attractive (Britney Spears). Songs she sang were written by anonymous songwriters, the music was written by anonymous composers, performed by anonymous musicians. Her voice was pitch-corrected, digitized, and improved by anonymous sound technicians. She danced dances taught to her by anonymous instructors, had her CD artwork made by anonymous photographers and artists, her outfits made by anonymous clothes designers, ... In other words, the corporate definition of an artist is wide enough to include someone with virtually no talent whatsoever whose entire career depended upon a coterie of hundreds to thousands of people working their butts off to support her manufactured success. By any definition the RIAA uses to discuss "artists" virtually everyone is an artist.
threemagicOct 19, 2006
@warbird: you are getting dugg down and you do NOT deserve it. Given this diagram has no data it's speculation at best. It doesn't even represent much except saying most everyone is an artist, pirate, and customer. I can say everyone is a homo, lesbian, and straight on the inside and draw a diagram similar to this but does it mean anything?
matt2kOct 19, 2006
Well. If the image says so. Then I guess the case is settled. Thanks Digg!
itanshiOct 19, 2006
heh, this diagram may mean more to me than most of you here, but then again its my choice interpretation of it. pirates buy and give awa content. customers buy and give away content (fan works), artists buy and give away contentthe center is the marketing core that holds them together. It is the fandom.