If your computer is a Dell, you are going to recognise and notice Dells. Just like if English is your native language, you are going to recognise and notice when people speak English. Every foreign language is just going to be a foreign language to you. Just like every computer NOT a Dell is just NOT a Dell.
Wow. Does anybody here have a degree in finance? Someone (including the writer of this article) should learn the difference between market capitalization and value; everyone here keeps calling the market cap the value and they are not the same. Market cap is just the number of shares times their price, but if the company were to be sold, that's far less than they would fetch. The idea is to capture the price of a company's future cash flows; so start looking at the balance sheets and income statements and forget about the cap! Now, I am not sure, but by glancing at their balance sheets, it looks like Dell is about 30% larger and would fetch the higher price.As long as we are comparing numbers: Apple's net income is what you want to look at; that is their profit after taxes and other expenses. Did anyone here look that up? If we look at the year ending 2006, Apple had a NI of 1.989 bil while Dell's was 2.614 bil; not even close. Go ahead and compare ytd as well; just watch out because the companies don't report at the same time.
People don't notice sarcasm or amusement on the internet. Nor did they on BBSes. I've been using them for the past 20 years or so, so I'm pretty sure using all caps at me isn't going to break the habit. ;-)
growth in this instance has to do with replacements more than it does increasing overall share.You're thinking install base (total numbers) when this is dealing with market share (quarterly sales)Its a big pet peeve I have... people misusing, misinterpreting or interchanging the two statistics.
what a classic mactard statment.WTF does that even mean? They arent prohibitrf from making FREE updates. The complaint is keeping a piece of hardware locked down for only 1 carrier!They are keeping sales records under raps, because they want to give the impression its selling more then it is.if they dont keep that impression, the hype fails and Apple loses even more sales.
I enjoyed things more when Apple's share price suddenly dropped to $120 and I didn't have to put up with all these iRetards crowing about how they own shares. Looks like the crows are back to nest for a while.Disclaimer: Apple fanboy here, but there's always a bigger one it seems. Think about how bad some fanboys are to make mere average fanboys even sick to the stomach.
That is because despite its flaws - which get patched with free software updates from Apple - it is still a better product.Apple pays a lot of attention to how easy their products are to use. They tend to veer away from putting nifty-sounding risky features in their products. Other companies could learn a lot from paying attention to Apple's decision-making when planning their own products' features.As for the Blackjack: it's a completely different kind of product, if you use it for anything other than a manually-dialed voice-phone. The blackjack has a QWERTY keyboard as its input method - the iPhone uses a direct-manipulation touch-screen GUI. One of those products is state-of-the-art and the other is The Old Way.Not as many people as you would think can touch type. But pretty much everyone has a finger.
Right, one of the reasons cited for Dell's huge dip in profits was its practice to giving huge discounts to keep its number of units sold from collapsing. Offering universities sweetheart deals for student computers is one of those discounts.Dell might have to crunch some number and alter the policy to reduce discounts. The policy is only good if Apple makes a more expensive, less nice, slower computer - or, if the Apple computer is better in these regards but its market share/penetration is so low Dell can keep students & recent graduates from seeing them.In other words, the policy would have made great sense in the late 1990s but in the late 2000s it is not working so well. Apple Stores these days are often just as crowded with students & just out of college aged people as older adults. That Macs are fun to use and that non-Apple PCs have a lot of decidedly un-fun things about them is no secret anymore.Dell is going to have to decide whether it wants to do technical R&D to gain some advantages over the other 4 of the top 5 PC makers, or ride their profit margins further and further downhill. The fact that Dell is selling all of its factories says that their bean counters have roared and the company listened.They have exactly 2 choices: make way better products or else make way cheaper products. Or fail.Lets see, Dell does not make its own operating system and its hardware architecture is dictated to it. Hmmm....
Actually, wasn't IBM the first company to abandon the "PC architecture"?Yeah, they were. LOL.IBM does not even make a consumer desktop computer anymore. They sold that off to a company called Lenova years ago. Last time I checked IBM did not sell a pocket MP3 player or music either.So, IBM is in no way a competitor of Apple and you cannot really compare how they do 2 completely different things.Dell is sort of not a competitor for the Apple overall, either. Apple makes quite a bit of money selling music, their own music players, movies - and they make their own operating system. Dell isn't really ion that space. They sell other companies' products and turn a screw to assemble PCs made from imported parts. Once the sale goes through on their factories, they will not even be turning that screw. Meaning, they will not be a computer-maker anymore. Dell will drop from the ranks of PC makers and just be another computer retailer.The Dell OS comes from a single source company that sells that OS to all of Dell's real competitors. Apple does not buy that OS. They made their computer compatible with it but they do not sell it themselves.Apple does not have any direct competitor - and IBM is not even an indirect competitor. Dell is becoming less of a competitor with Apple each passing year too.
daffyduckJul 29, 2007
He said get a Mac, not get OS X. Macs run Windows just as well as any PC.
dragon76Jul 29, 2007
If your computer is a Dell, you are going to recognise and notice Dells. Just like if English is your native language, you are going to recognise and notice when people speak English. Every foreign language is just going to be a foreign language to you. Just like every computer NOT a Dell is just NOT a Dell.
jdmacorJul 30, 2007
Wow. Does anybody here have a degree in finance? Someone (including the writer of this article) should learn the difference between market capitalization and value; everyone here keeps calling the market cap the value and they are not the same. Market cap is just the number of shares times their price, but if the company were to be sold, that's far less than they would fetch. The idea is to capture the price of a company's future cash flows; so start looking at the balance sheets and income statements and forget about the cap! Now, I am not sure, but by glancing at their balance sheets, it looks like Dell is about 30% larger and would fetch the higher price.As long as we are comparing numbers: Apple's net income is what you want to look at; that is their profit after taxes and other expenses. Did anyone here look that up? If we look at the year ending 2006, Apple had a NI of 1.989 bil while Dell's was 2.614 bil; not even close. Go ahead and compare ytd as well; just watch out because the companies don't report at the same time.
cthellisJul 31, 2007
You know, honestly, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Act like an ass and cry "fanboy" and you just irk people in general.
cthellisJul 31, 2007
People don't notice sarcasm or amusement on the internet. Nor did they on BBSes. I've been using them for the past 20 years or so, so I'm pretty sure using all caps at me isn't going to break the habit. ;-)
kellyJul 31, 2007
growth in this instance has to do with replacements more than it does increasing overall share.You're thinking install base (total numbers) when this is dealing with market share (quarterly sales)Its a big pet peeve I have... people misusing, misinterpreting or interchanging the two statistics.
Closed AccountAug 15, 2007
what a classic mactard statment.WTF does that even mean? They arent prohibitrf from making FREE updates. The complaint is keeping a piece of hardware locked down for only 1 carrier!They are keeping sales records under raps, because they want to give the impression its selling more then it is.if they dont keep that impression, the hype fails and Apple loses even more sales.
zetsurinMay 2, 2008
I enjoyed things more when Apple's share price suddenly dropped to $120 and I didn't have to put up with all these iRetards crowing about how they own shares. Looks like the crows are back to nest for a while.Disclaimer: Apple fanboy here, but there's always a bigger one it seems. Think about how bad some fanboys are to make mere average fanboys even sick to the stomach.
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
That is because despite its flaws - which get patched with free software updates from Apple - it is still a better product.Apple pays a lot of attention to how easy their products are to use. They tend to veer away from putting nifty-sounding risky features in their products. Other companies could learn a lot from paying attention to Apple's decision-making when planning their own products' features.As for the Blackjack: it's a completely different kind of product, if you use it for anything other than a manually-dialed voice-phone. The blackjack has a QWERTY keyboard as its input method - the iPhone uses a direct-manipulation touch-screen GUI. One of those products is state-of-the-art and the other is The Old Way.Not as many people as you would think can touch type. But pretty much everyone has a finger.
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
My mom, aunt & uncle, brother & sister-in-law, myself, and some of my friends each use an iMac at home.
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
Right, one of the reasons cited for Dell's huge dip in profits was its practice to giving huge discounts to keep its number of units sold from collapsing. Offering universities sweetheart deals for student computers is one of those discounts.Dell might have to crunch some number and alter the policy to reduce discounts. The policy is only good if Apple makes a more expensive, less nice, slower computer - or, if the Apple computer is better in these regards but its market share/penetration is so low Dell can keep students & recent graduates from seeing them.In other words, the policy would have made great sense in the late 1990s but in the late 2000s it is not working so well. Apple Stores these days are often just as crowded with students & just out of college aged people as older adults. That Macs are fun to use and that non-Apple PCs have a lot of decidedly un-fun things about them is no secret anymore.Dell is going to have to decide whether it wants to do technical R&D to gain some advantages over the other 4 of the top 5 PC makers, or ride their profit margins further and further downhill. The fact that Dell is selling all of its factories says that their bean counters have roared and the company listened.They have exactly 2 choices: make way better products or else make way cheaper products. Or fail.Lets see, Dell does not make its own operating system and its hardware architecture is dictated to it. Hmmm....
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
Do they come with free anti-virus software?How effective is that?
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
Nice, a virus page - thank you so much for sharing.
johnnysoftwareSep 14, 2008
Actually, wasn't IBM the first company to abandon the "PC architecture"?Yeah, they were. LOL.IBM does not even make a consumer desktop computer anymore. They sold that off to a company called Lenova years ago. Last time I checked IBM did not sell a pocket MP3 player or music either.So, IBM is in no way a competitor of Apple and you cannot really compare how they do 2 completely different things.Dell is sort of not a competitor for the Apple overall, either. Apple makes quite a bit of money selling music, their own music players, movies - and they make their own operating system. Dell isn't really ion that space. They sell other companies' products and turn a screw to assemble PCs made from imported parts. Once the sale goes through on their factories, they will not even be turning that screw. Meaning, they will not be a computer-maker anymore. Dell will drop from the ranks of PC makers and just be another computer retailer.The Dell OS comes from a single source company that sells that OS to all of Dell's real competitors. Apple does not buy that OS. They made their computer compatible with it but they do not sell it themselves.Apple does not have any direct competitor - and IBM is not even an indirect competitor. Dell is becoming less of a competitor with Apple each passing year too.