brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com— Nearly a year and a half after a Miami company called Psystar announced that it was selling "Open Computers" pre-installed with Apple's (AAPL) Mac OS X Leopard...
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further illustration of just how important "permission" is (from a post by JohnnyS ) :@ JohnnySoftware, RE: " .. Just like it is okay for a valet to park your car but it is not okay for someone to take the same keys and GTA your car."That's a very good analogy, and hopefully this explains the importance of having PERMISSION prior to basing your entire business on something that had none.
@ MtheoryX, RE: " .. @stubear:"It's no one's fault but Apple's for distributing full versions of OS X and trying to pass them off as upgrades."Oh, so now it's cool to punish a company for NOT using consumer-limiting DRM in software?My, my, I guess Digg has certainly changed its tune in the last few years :( "Good point.
The XBox analogy does fail. Commodity PC hardware is a well established market with many participants. Apple did not invent the commodity PC hardware platform. In fact, they fought against it for many years. The XBox is a hardware platform created by Microsoft, which is why they have copyright protection for it.Apple is tying the sale of OS X to it's brand of commodity PC hardware via a EULA specifically because they have no copyright protection for the platform that they did not invent.The fact that Psystar and other can so easily make OS X run on other commodity PC's is largely due to the fact that Apple's brand of commodity PC has no Apple invented hardware. The EFI system is an Intel creation and is also used by some non-Apple operating systems as well.What difficulties that do exist in running OS X on non-Apple branded commodity PC hardware were implemented by Apple to frustrate attempts to run their software on compatible hardware.Apple has every right to be compensated for it's work, but that compensation should be in the form of monetary compensation. I should not be required to surrender my right to a fair and competitive commodity PC hardware market in order to purchase their operating system.
@Kamujin: Again, you are not getting it at all. You obviously were not aware of what the situation was like before Apple released a BIOS compatibility module for Intel macs with regard to getting windows running. Without a bios and video bios for the gfx card, XP could not boot on a MBP. I was one of the early people investigating the possibility of booting windows on a MBP or other Intel macs. It was not possible until Apple released a BIOS compatibility module update for all of the Intel macs as part of the initial beta of Bootcamp. I was part of that beta.The bootcamp beta not only introduced this new firmware feature but also supplied drivers tweaked support the MBP and other early Intel macs. There are some subtle differences in how the motherboard is designed from your typical generic PC hardware. These subtle differences give a slight performance edge when dual booted into windows and provide superior power management features when running OS X. Small things like audio ports that are software controlled in OS X to only turn on when you have plugged something in. Most of these smaller subsystems are not software controlled on generic PCs. It's a sign of elegant design that some people are willing to pay for.When you run windows on a mac, you have to use the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disc or the hardware will not work correctly.
Well, there is no honor among thieves so DRM-circumvention software used to pirate Apple's Mac OS X being pirated by a company doing the same thing is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Microsoft sues companies all year long for pirating Windows. They even sued the city of Virginia Beach, demanding that they find all of their Windows receipts or license agreement cards or pay for the OS, rather than Microsoft just producing evidence it was pirated.Windows 7 already has known security flaws and was reported by a Windows AV company to still run 8 out of 10 of the latest Windows viruses. It does not seem to be dodging bullets anything like what people expected from a new OS.
@ jv2k, RE: " .. It's a console not a PC. The whole point of a console is that it's easy to set up, compatible with any games made for, and difficult for a consumer to **** up.The philosophy of console development is to focus on running on a certain level of hardware and get the best out of it ... "Funny, that's exactly what Apple's philosophy is when it comes to Macs and building OSX ... designed to run on a certain level of hardware and get the best out of it.
@ Kamujin, RE: " .. @aristotledudeYou are simply wrong. The BIOS emulation on a mac is done in firmware. "You didn't read what aristotle posted, his post mentions that the bootcamp update also updated the firmware :" .. The bootcamp beta not only introduced this new firmware feature ... ... but also supplied drivers tweaked support the MBP and other early Intel macs. There are some subtle differences in how the motherboard is designed from your typical generic PC hardware.These subtle differences give a slight performance edge when dual booted into windows and provide superior power management features when running OS X.Small things like audio ports that are software controlled in OS X to only turn on when you have plugged something in. Most of these smaller subsystems are not software controlled on generic PCs. It's a sign of elegant design that some people are willing to pay for."
He summarized his point with "When you run windows on a mac, you have to use the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disc or the hardware will not work correctly."This is simply not true. These are vanilla PC's with EFI. Yes, Apple does downrank some components to achieve their power consumption goals, but if their users are willing to sacrifice performance for power savings, this is not my concern.The only case where you need to use the snow leopard drivers are for cases where drivers are not available directly from the OEM manufacturer. I've installed Windows and Linux to my macbook without an existing OS X partition and without a GPT formated hard disk. It works fine.You want to give Apple credit for things that OEM's build and I am going to keep calling you on it every time.
BTW, my new notebook with a Core i7 920XM is on the way (8 logical CPU's). MacBooks are still maxed out with last generation dual cores while quad core chips have been out for over a year now. I am sorry. Apple hardware is last years tech at this years prices.
mrbitchNov 16, 2009
further illustration of just how important "permission" is (from a post by JohnnyS ) :@ JohnnySoftware, RE: " .. Just like it is okay for a valet to park your car but it is not okay for someone to take the same keys and GTA your car."That's a very good analogy, and hopefully this explains the importance of having PERMISSION prior to basing your entire business on something that had none.
mrbitchNov 16, 2009
@ MtheoryX, RE: " .. @stubear:"It's no one's fault but Apple's for distributing full versions of OS X and trying to pass them off as upgrades."Oh, so now it's cool to punish a company for NOT using consumer-limiting DRM in software?My, my, I guess Digg has certainly changed its tune in the last few years :( "Good point.
Closed AccountNov 16, 2009
The XBox analogy does fail. Commodity PC hardware is a well established market with many participants. Apple did not invent the commodity PC hardware platform. In fact, they fought against it for many years. The XBox is a hardware platform created by Microsoft, which is why they have copyright protection for it.Apple is tying the sale of OS X to it's brand of commodity PC hardware via a EULA specifically because they have no copyright protection for the platform that they did not invent.The fact that Psystar and other can so easily make OS X run on other commodity PC's is largely due to the fact that Apple's brand of commodity PC has no Apple invented hardware. The EFI system is an Intel creation and is also used by some non-Apple operating systems as well.What difficulties that do exist in running OS X on non-Apple branded commodity PC hardware were implemented by Apple to frustrate attempts to run their software on compatible hardware.Apple has every right to be compensated for it's work, but that compensation should be in the form of monetary compensation. I should not be required to surrender my right to a fair and competitive commodity PC hardware market in order to purchase their operating system.
balancedNov 16, 2009
Bootcamp doesn't include a hacked version of Windows.
aristotle0dudeNov 17, 2009
@Kamujin: Again, you are not getting it at all. You obviously were not aware of what the situation was like before Apple released a BIOS compatibility module for Intel macs with regard to getting windows running. Without a bios and video bios for the gfx card, XP could not boot on a MBP. I was one of the early people investigating the possibility of booting windows on a MBP or other Intel macs. It was not possible until Apple released a BIOS compatibility module update for all of the Intel macs as part of the initial beta of Bootcamp. I was part of that beta.The bootcamp beta not only introduced this new firmware feature but also supplied drivers tweaked support the MBP and other early Intel macs. There are some subtle differences in how the motherboard is designed from your typical generic PC hardware. These subtle differences give a slight performance edge when dual booted into windows and provide superior power management features when running OS X. Small things like audio ports that are software controlled in OS X to only turn on when you have plugged something in. Most of these smaller subsystems are not software controlled on generic PCs. It's a sign of elegant design that some people are willing to pay for.When you run windows on a mac, you have to use the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disc or the hardware will not work correctly.
johnnysoftwareNov 19, 2009
Well, there is no honor among thieves so DRM-circumvention software used to pirate Apple's Mac OS X being pirated by a company doing the same thing is like the pot calling the kettle black.
johnnysoftwareNov 19, 2009
Microsoft sues companies all year long for pirating Windows. They even sued the city of Virginia Beach, demanding that they find all of their Windows receipts or license agreement cards or pay for the OS, rather than Microsoft just producing evidence it was pirated.Windows 7 already has known security flaws and was reported by a Windows AV company to still run 8 out of 10 of the latest Windows viruses. It does not seem to be dodging bullets anything like what people expected from a new OS.
mrbitchDec 4, 2009
@ jv2k, RE: " .. It's a console not a PC. The whole point of a console is that it's easy to set up, compatible with any games made for, and difficult for a consumer to **** up.The philosophy of console development is to focus on running on a certain level of hardware and get the best out of it ... "Funny, that's exactly what Apple's philosophy is when it comes to Macs and building OSX ... designed to run on a certain level of hardware and get the best out of it.
mrbitchDec 4, 2009
@ Kamujin, RE: " .. @aristotledudeYou are simply wrong. The BIOS emulation on a mac is done in firmware. "You didn't read what aristotle posted, his post mentions that the bootcamp update also updated the firmware :" .. The bootcamp beta not only introduced this new firmware feature ... ... but also supplied drivers tweaked support the MBP and other early Intel macs. There are some subtle differences in how the motherboard is designed from your typical generic PC hardware.These subtle differences give a slight performance edge when dual booted into windows and provide superior power management features when running OS X.Small things like audio ports that are software controlled in OS X to only turn on when you have plugged something in. Most of these smaller subsystems are not software controlled on generic PCs. It's a sign of elegant design that some people are willing to pay for."
Closed AccountDec 4, 2009
He summarized his point with "When you run windows on a mac, you have to use the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disc or the hardware will not work correctly."This is simply not true. These are vanilla PC's with EFI. Yes, Apple does downrank some components to achieve their power consumption goals, but if their users are willing to sacrifice performance for power savings, this is not my concern.The only case where you need to use the snow leopard drivers are for cases where drivers are not available directly from the OEM manufacturer. I've installed Windows and Linux to my macbook without an existing OS X partition and without a GPT formated hard disk. It works fine.You want to give Apple credit for things that OEM's build and I am going to keep calling you on it every time.
Closed AccountDec 4, 2009
BTW, my new notebook with a Core i7 920XM is on the way (8 logical CPU's). MacBooks are still maxed out with last generation dual cores while quad core chips have been out for over a year now. I am sorry. Apple hardware is last years tech at this years prices.