techremarks.com— This is the dawn of the post-PC era, and Apple is leading it while Microsoft is clinging to the PC model even for the living room. Will Apple get a second chance for market leadership?
May 29, 2006View in Crawl 4
@TheCountThe difference between Sony and Apple is when Sony does it, its draconian and nothing works right, when Apple does it, its elegant, rather open, and works like it is supposed to. For example, the iPod is the simplest MP3 player to purchase, get music for and put music on it, and protect. Sonys MP3 players insist on using their unbelievably complex programs, or Windows Media Player, both of which cannot compare to iTunes.
On digg I've seen more defenders of iPod and iTunes than I have for the Mac. While Mac users have been faithful to Apple, I see little proof that Apple has been faithful to the Mac user. Apple did not warn Mac users in the past when they changed hardware platforms that would render the premium priced Mac they just bought with a shorter support lifespan then they thought they were buying. OSX has been around for how long and try to get support for OS9. Whereas, iPods are only expected to have a lifespan of one year Apple doesn't have to worry about any long term commitment to a piece of hardware. In reality the more hardware changes to the iPod the more iPods Apple sells because many don't want to be seen with yesterday fashion. Apple has loyalty true, but their loyalty are to the customers that will keep giving them money and it's much easier to make money off the iPod than to and relatively expensive computer that support cost drain profits for years.
"Were apple to open its doors to third party apps, i might see dropping 1200 dollars on one."What? There are TONS of third party apps for Macs."but when i can buy 3 crappy dells, trick them out and network them, why would i buy a mac. i'd rather build a DVR, a gaming machine and a business computer all controlled by my Treo or crackberry."You could buy one Mac and use it as a DVR, gaming machine, and business computer. The same goes for Dells. And Salling Clicker (a third party app, if you weren't sure) will let your Bluetooth devices (like Treo), not sure 'bout blackbery, control a Mac.
Actually, that's how Macs work. Beginners use iLife and the other basic parts of the Mac OS, advanced users crack open the UNIX core and do whatever they want.
@startrek "IDIOTS!! Microsoft didn't rip off Apple's GUI. Let me give you a history lesson: "The idea of a GUI is neither Microsofts or Apples. And no-one (sane) is claiming that. I believe if you looking at the posts they speak of Windows vs. MacOS and Vista vs. MacOS X. Also I believe everyone knows Bill is short for William (you may remember we had a Bill/William president for a few years). Thank you for you enthusiasm, but as a fellow Windows Fanboy. Please try to come up with specific and valid arguments when posting.
(Sobs quietly to himself and begins to rhythmically bang is head on the desk).Let me try this again.Unless you own *stock* in either Microsoft or Apple, then their market share means exactly nothing to you. Nada. Zip. If you do own stock in either company (or both) then you have a tangible, vested interest in how each company is doing. Other wise it's just ego stroking and looking around to see how many other people who share your same idea of how the world should be are standing with you.Seriously, both sides are just as bad. . .Fanboys (fangirls? Fan-people?) Get over yourselves. Really. You bought a computer. Hooray. You know how to use it. Good for you. You have a preference of hardware/software/security/aesthetics/functionality/whatever. Congrats. But otherwise, please stop this.When we (and I use the collective "we") get stuck in this mode of conversation, we limit ourselves. Instead of demanding better, or (gasp) embracing the new and the innovative, we bicker over the same tired old ground. Going in circles about things that in five years time, WON'T MATTER SPITTLE. In a day and age were we are bugged, tracked, market segmented, branded, catalogued, niche marketed to, and numbed into submission. Where our rights erode, the environment curdles, and the world further divides itself along class lines. It seems to me there might be better, more productive things (and dare I say it, useful) things we all might put our energies to.Just a thought.
superal1394May 29, 2006
@TheCountThe difference between Sony and Apple is when Sony does it, its draconian and nothing works right, when Apple does it, its elegant, rather open, and works like it is supposed to. For example, the iPod is the simplest MP3 player to purchase, get music for and put music on it, and protect. Sonys MP3 players insist on using their unbelievably complex programs, or Windows Media Player, both of which cannot compare to iTunes.
vinnyMay 30, 2006
Really? How much do you have to spend? I bet you can find an Apple system that meets your needs at that price.
rebradMay 30, 2006
On digg I've seen more defenders of iPod and iTunes than I have for the Mac. While Mac users have been faithful to Apple, I see little proof that Apple has been faithful to the Mac user. Apple did not warn Mac users in the past when they changed hardware platforms that would render the premium priced Mac they just bought with a shorter support lifespan then they thought they were buying. OSX has been around for how long and try to get support for OS9. Whereas, iPods are only expected to have a lifespan of one year Apple doesn't have to worry about any long term commitment to a piece of hardware. In reality the more hardware changes to the iPod the more iPods Apple sells because many don't want to be seen with yesterday fashion. Apple has loyalty true, but their loyalty are to the customers that will keep giving them money and it's much easier to make money off the iPod than to and relatively expensive computer that support cost drain profits for years.
pathdaemonMay 30, 2006
"Were apple to open its doors to third party apps, i might see dropping 1200 dollars on one."What? There are TONS of third party apps for Macs."but when i can buy 3 crappy dells, trick them out and network them, why would i buy a mac. i'd rather build a DVR, a gaming machine and a business computer all controlled by my Treo or crackberry."You could buy one Mac and use it as a DVR, gaming machine, and business computer. The same goes for Dells. And Salling Clicker (a third party app, if you weren't sure) will let your Bluetooth devices (like Treo), not sure 'bout blackbery, control a Mac.
pathdaemonMay 30, 2006
Actually, that's how Macs work. Beginners use iLife and the other basic parts of the Mac OS, advanced users crack open the UNIX core and do whatever they want.
jholdawayMay 30, 2006
@startrek "IDIOTS!! Microsoft didn't rip off Apple's GUI. Let me give you a history lesson: "The idea of a GUI is neither Microsofts or Apples. And no-one (sane) is claiming that. I believe if you looking at the posts they speak of Windows vs. MacOS and Vista vs. MacOS X. Also I believe everyone knows Bill is short for William (you may remember we had a Bill/William president for a few years). Thank you for you enthusiasm, but as a fellow Windows Fanboy. Please try to come up with specific and valid arguments when posting.
hyberionMay 30, 2006
(Sobs quietly to himself and begins to rhythmically bang is head on the desk).Let me try this again.Unless you own *stock* in either Microsoft or Apple, then their market share means exactly nothing to you. Nada. Zip. If you do own stock in either company (or both) then you have a tangible, vested interest in how each company is doing. Other wise it's just ego stroking and looking around to see how many other people who share your same idea of how the world should be are standing with you.Seriously, both sides are just as bad. . .Fanboys (fangirls? Fan-people?) Get over yourselves. Really. You bought a computer. Hooray. You know how to use it. Good for you. You have a preference of hardware/software/security/aesthetics/functionality/whatever. Congrats. But otherwise, please stop this.When we (and I use the collective "we") get stuck in this mode of conversation, we limit ourselves. Instead of demanding better, or (gasp) embracing the new and the innovative, we bicker over the same tired old ground. Going in circles about things that in five years time, WON'T MATTER SPITTLE. In a day and age were we are bugged, tracked, market segmented, branded, catalogued, niche marketed to, and numbed into submission. Where our rights erode, the environment curdles, and the world further divides itself along class lines. It seems to me there might be better, more productive things (and dare I say it, useful) things we all might put our energies to.Just a thought.
startrekMay 30, 2006
Sorry, I think I put the post in the wrong spot. Sorry for the confusion. But all my points are valid, for where I meant to put it.