torrentfreak.com — The fallout from the FBI raid on EliteTorrents in 2005 continues, with a seventh defendant associated with the uploading of Star Wars Episode III facing the prospect of 10 years in prison coupled with a $500,000 fine.
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blokkemNov 18, 2007
It's amazing how hypocritical diggers are. Everyone on this website is like "IMPEACH IMPEACH" anytime Bush is mentioned because he doesn't "adhere to the Consitituion" but people stealing is OK. Maybe people shouldn't break the law? Not agreeing with a law does not make it OK to break it. You guys can keep rebelling against the system and refuse to pay for s**t but dont act surprised when people get jacked up.
battlenixNov 18, 2007
From Torrentfreak“What are you in for?”I raped a teenager.“You?”I killed a man.“And what about you new fish?”I uploaded Star Wars to the internet.
wallyantiNov 18, 2007
Yep, the corporations own this society and the population at large is too comfortable to do anything about it. Grazing cows come to mind. There is really no question of it any more to anyone with any sense for what's going on. Sure it doesn't say so explicitly in the constitution, but at this point it might as well. A government for the lobbyists...
adrianmonkNov 19, 2007
Sounds like Argentina has a messed-up justice system.(Personally, I honestly don't see why premeditated murder isn't an automatic life sentence. If you're willing to kill a person one time, why should we ever again trust you to be out with the rest of the people?)
desertdudeNov 20, 2007
That's not what I said. What I said was clear: I support our judicial system, but when another nation (or a group of nations, like the West) is making a big stink out of a case (like this one) then I support the system even more and I express my opinion on it whenever possible. We can criticize our judicial system amongst ourselves, but when others are criticizing it, us, our counrty and just about everything about us (over a legal case), then you stop criticizing your system and you stand up for it. I'm not alone, most humans are like this.
desertdudeNov 20, 2007
Well, if that's what you meant, then yes, you are right. I think it's inevitable, though. I mean you're blaming me for allowing American media to alter my opinion, but what about you? If you're having an argument with your wife in public, then some guy jumps in and insults her, what do you do? You'll flip your position 180 degrees and go from criticizing her to defending her. The point is this: it's hard to completely separate your opinions from the world around you.
kindrobotNov 20, 2007
(posted in the wrong place due to "session expired" bug/feature)In that sense, I can see what you mean. I just assumed , I guess that it informed your opinion more than.. well.. I assumed. :)I was reading up on that case we've been talking about, with the rape victim who was lashed and sentenced to prison time. It turns out she was not doing anything with the man she was with at all. She was simply IN a car with a male she was not related to and then raped by the other males because of this fact.My assumption was that she was engaged in some kind of at least physical contact. That changes everything for me. It's not really an issue for me that can be argued anymore. Anyone in this world who considers being with a male you are not related to a crime worth being raped for is in no position to resent ridicule. They're asking for ridicule. Because no matter what culture you're from, this is unacceptable. This is how I feel about it. If you want to have laws like that, I have absolutely no business trying to force change upon you from the outside. So in that sense, I am with you. But I also feel that anyone who does business or associates with you is condoning the law and in the case of business, endorsing it. If someone feels comfortable with that, that's also their business. But being somehow beyond criticism for having such a law? Beyond ridiculous. I suggest you and anyone else living with laws such as these get used to it, because most of the world (NOT just the west) finds it deplorable and disgusting. I also think it is VERY important to point out that just because I think some of your laws make no sense, does NOT mean that our laws all make sense. Do not confuse my criticism of your law as a defense of ours. I obey the laws of my country, but I am free to criticize them as well. We have many laws that make no sense. But I will be the first to point them out, not defend them with zeal.You also mentioned that most women you are aware of support the religious police. Answer me this then...What would happen to them if they did not?We encountered a lot of this kind of thinking in the US after 9/11. If you were not for the war, you were with the enemy. Anyone who was against going straight to war (with the wrong country) was unpatriotic. So finding such people was not as easy as you'd think it was, for a while. All I ask of you is to consider that the reason you don't meet women who dislike the religious police is because no woman would criticize them publicly for fear of punishment. Do not confuse your observation of your surroundings with the opinions of women who have no right to express otherwise.All of this aside, it is a pleasure discussing this with you in spite of our differences.
majorpayNov 20, 2007
Just a quick comment on the 9/11 thing (and this is not aimed at you, I just see these type of comments all over blogs and the media)... I think that is all media hype of a clearly non-existant situation for the purpose of creating a political martyrdom. I don't remember anyone who ran around saying that people who were not for the war were the enemy? I think there is a clear cut political agenda going on in this country right now where if you don't think in conjunction with the liberal party lines, then you are an idiot and not worth the air you breath, and to that I say: "shame on these so-called Americans." All of this over-hyped entertainment and media that pits the majority of the nation against a religion (we all know which one that is), a political party (same), or any way of thinking that does not coincide with their way of thinking is what is appalling. If you don't know what I am talking about, pay attention to your media, and all the other negative propoganda that is being spread throughout this country to crush the people who don't believe like they do. We talk about freedom and unity, but these political wars and all this sheer propaganda is used as an underhanded attempt to further demonize those that do not share their political views and to divide the nation into enemies. There may have been isolated issues to back these points (as there likely is for any point someone wants to make about anything), and likely the backing of these points involve people who were getting in the faces and being threatening to others for the sake of gaining attention. This country is based on the premise of different views coexisting, but personally I think this nonsense just fuels the fire for further hatred and contention within the US. The enemy? The enemy is anyone who attempts to stereotype, attack, and crush an entire group of people based on their religion, politics, or way of thinking (as long way of thinking doesn't harm or threaten the well-being of innocents).
desertdudeNov 21, 2007
Major pay:Sorry. You' are right about the "Westerners" point. I do, however, use it from time to time when I want to refer to an opinion or way of thinking that I observe very often when American and English people express their opinions. I won't use it as often from now on. As for your notion on my original post, frankly speaking, no, the purpose was not to get as much angry responses as poissible. Rather, I was silently reading some various discussions on the recent rape case in Saudi Arabia and what people here (and in other forums) said about it. Then I saw this story and I felt geniune shock and sympthy for this man who was given this outrageous sentence. At the same time, I suddenly recalled those discussions, so I just fused the two ideas in one post. Regarding your points about Singapore, morality and law enforcement, glad to see we agree there. About the religion point, to put it shortly, I (as a Muslim) worship God on the basis of three factors/emotions: (1) Love: for Him, His messengers (Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, etc.), His laws, etc. (2) Hope: for his rewards in the hereafter, i.e. heaven. (3) Fear: of his punishments for sinners. The combination of those three factors makes for a very potent motive to remain a good Muslim. As for the point about women, I'm actually from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, although I do feel the US invasion of Iraq is the same as an invasion of Saudi Arabia and pray for them on a daily basis. And about the "choice" point, no, I do not think that we here in the Islamic world should share some of the Western values that stand on what I like to call "corruptive freedom", i.e. too much freedom, resulting in rape, adultery, fornication, incest, and many other negative results. Of course, we here reach a point in which our opinion radically differs on the point of sex out of wedlock: to us it's a sin and a shame (even pre-Islamic Arabs loathed it), but to you it's freedom. As for the point about Israel, if it was just something that happened 60 years ago, then it can be forgiven. But the US keeps reminding Muslims of 1948 almost every day, when we see the atrocities of Israeli soldiers and the US's support for those crimes, supplying Israel with money, weaponry and veto protection. As for the rape, the guy that was with the girl got the exact same punishment, but it wasn't mentioned in US media, which takes every opportunity to make it look like women here are suffering while men roam freely. And that was a good note that you left on. I also share it wholeheartedly.