gotroot.com— Yes folks, that horrible day for the RIAA/MPAA/(insert your favorite four letter word here) has really arrived, anonymous P2P is here.
Oct 6, 2005View in Crawl 4
First and formost, TigerSun needs to put down the comic books that are making him talk like that. Second off, the quote "Nothing on the Internet is anonymous, anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant" is only false because the people who think that aren't really "ignorant". But they are WRONG.Look, those onion et all products/services add layers to your privacy, but they do NOT make you annonymous. Your IP is sent out when you use the internet, that's the way it works, and nothing is going to change that. Sorry.Btw, if you piggy back off someone elses wireless, well, you get the idea. And I'm sure you can think of at least a 1000 other ways to become "annonymous" without actually becoming annonymous.Heh, im out.
Your missing the point. The proxy can be setup to log the IP of the origin, which this one doesn't seem to do (that you know of). Just because your proxy doesn't log it, doesn't mean their proxy won't either. If someone approached the team running this proxy and provided enough incentive to start logging this information I'll bet they start tracking it and never tell you. Money talks. Look at the open source programs that are closing shop to make money on a product the community wrote for them. If the "powers that be" want access to data, they WILL get it.Your ignorant if you think any solution can be completely anonymous. Encrypted sure, anonymous...unlikely. You could IP spoof, but you'll never get the response back from the proxy to establish the connection.
> "You will continue operations and let everyone think everything> is the same, but...we would seriously suggest you start mirroring> everything relayed through you to this IP along with any> identification information no matter how minuscule...".You're not understanding something very fundamental. No traffic ever orginates from the spoofed IP or even from that edge network.Co-opting the spoofed edge is going to get the FBI nowhere... quickly (all it does is verify that the edge *may* not be the source of the traffic). So... they have to start co-opting from the RIAA's many, many inbound routers. The problem blows up in their face, nice and exponentially.Now... imagine a cross-connected distributed transfer spoofer controlled from unsecured WiFi by a lose cadrey who are determined to expose the RIAA to the kind of damage they're causing. Imagine rooted WRT54Gs with firmware that runs a deaemon that listens to the wireless ether for war drivers who's in-car computers broadcast this week's one time pad of innocent edges, RIAA end-points... It's fscking cyber-fight-club man. We will not take this s**t and it may take a while, but eventually the RIAA will regret catching our attention.*SNAP*! back to reality...When was the last time FBI involved in one of the RIAA's civil cases?Besides, I can't believe that the states/federal government would allow the RIAA to sap their tax base in any significant way, shape or form (the likelyhood of getting sued by the RIAA is still pretty low and I haven't heard of anybody who has been sued twice).
Hmm. i2p looked pretty cool when I tested the network around 6 months ago. I even found an anonymous Bittorrent tracker on what was then (still?) a very immature network. It wasn't that it didn't work as claimed - it did - but it was soooo slooooooow. A great deal depends in how many machines are in the i2p network, and how much bandwidth they have dedicated to the passing i2p traffic flowing through them.Anyone want to comment on how speedy it is now? Coz when I tried it I found it basically unusable. So slow in fact that I'd get constant network timeouts through the i2p proxy..
donwilsonOct 6, 2005
Aww, it's broken.
Closed AccountOct 7, 2005
In reply to trunkster:I use tor in combination with privoxy and some sites STILL pick up info.
maseoneOct 7, 2005
First and formost, TigerSun needs to put down the comic books that are making him talk like that. Second off, the quote "Nothing on the Internet is anonymous, anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant" is only false because the people who think that aren't really "ignorant". But they are WRONG.Look, those onion et all products/services add layers to your privacy, but they do NOT make you annonymous. Your IP is sent out when you use the internet, that's the way it works, and nothing is going to change that. Sorry.Btw, if you piggy back off someone elses wireless, well, you get the idea. And I'm sure you can think of at least a 1000 other ways to become "annonymous" without actually becoming annonymous.Heh, im out.
andirOct 7, 2005
Your missing the point. The proxy can be setup to log the IP of the origin, which this one doesn't seem to do (that you know of). Just because your proxy doesn't log it, doesn't mean their proxy won't either. If someone approached the team running this proxy and provided enough incentive to start logging this information I'll bet they start tracking it and never tell you. Money talks. Look at the open source programs that are closing shop to make money on a product the community wrote for them. If the "powers that be" want access to data, they WILL get it.Your ignorant if you think any solution can be completely anonymous. Encrypted sure, anonymous...unlikely. You could IP spoof, but you'll never get the response back from the proxy to establish the connection.
Closed AccountOct 8, 2005
> "You will continue operations and let everyone think everything> is the same, but...we would seriously suggest you start mirroring> everything relayed through you to this IP along with any> identification information no matter how minuscule...".You're not understanding something very fundamental. No traffic ever orginates from the spoofed IP or even from that edge network.Co-opting the spoofed edge is going to get the FBI nowhere... quickly (all it does is verify that the edge *may* not be the source of the traffic). So... they have to start co-opting from the RIAA's many, many inbound routers. The problem blows up in their face, nice and exponentially.Now... imagine a cross-connected distributed transfer spoofer controlled from unsecured WiFi by a lose cadrey who are determined to expose the RIAA to the kind of damage they're causing. Imagine rooted WRT54Gs with firmware that runs a deaemon that listens to the wireless ether for war drivers who's in-car computers broadcast this week's one time pad of innocent edges, RIAA end-points... It's fscking cyber-fight-club man. We will not take this s**t and it may take a while, but eventually the RIAA will regret catching our attention.*SNAP*! back to reality...When was the last time FBI involved in one of the RIAA's civil cases?Besides, I can't believe that the states/federal government would allow the RIAA to sap their tax base in any significant way, shape or form (the likelyhood of getting sued by the RIAA is still pretty low and I haven't heard of anybody who has been sued twice).
executioner101Oct 9, 2005
Hmm. i2p looked pretty cool when I tested the network around 6 months ago. I even found an anonymous Bittorrent tracker on what was then (still?) a very immature network. It wasn't that it didn't work as claimed - it did - but it was soooo slooooooow. A great deal depends in how many machines are in the i2p network, and how much bandwidth they have dedicated to the passing i2p traffic flowing through them.Anyone want to comment on how speedy it is now? Coz when I tried it I found it basically unusable. So slow in fact that I'd get constant network timeouts through the i2p proxy..
jsayaSep 6, 2008
Not anymore since you just told us.
vvvvvApr 20, 2011
I use torrent vpn http://torrent-vpn.com for safe and anonymous p2p downloads.