news.bbc.co.uk — The Afghan government says it wants to renegotiate the terms of foreign forces in their country after more than 90 civilians were killed in a US bombing. Afghan President Hamid Karzai criticised US forces for "unilateral operations" over the strike in west of the country. They don't want us there either.....
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caferrellAug 25, 2008Submitter
@HetmanDubya and the neocons do not judge countries and individuals by their actions. They are judged by seeing if the have "good values" or not. A month or two ago Dubya spoke about Americans. I will try to transcribe this properly: "Ah Love 'Merica, cause we got um ah um we got great valuesh, an that, uh thats wha we're so awesome"So there you have it. Pointing out that what Russia did in Osettia is no worse than what we did in Kosovo doesn't mean anything to the TV viewing public 'cause we are good and they are bad. It doesn't matter that ten Palestinians die for every Israeli and it doesn't matter that the Israelis occupy Palestinian land, 'cause the Israelis are good and the Palestinians are bad. "Cause uh uh ah mean, cause the Israelis have awesome values"It doesn't matter that we frag and bomb Afghan villagers every day "cause they oughta be grateful that we're their to pertect their elected govermint"
bohicatwentytwoAug 26, 2008
UN: Opium cultivation drops in Afghanistan<a class="user" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/afghan_drugs_1;_ylt=AmPsvsL8uSXzSb6wTbANlsDOVooA">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_re_mi_ea ...</a>KABUL, Afghanistan - The U.N.'s anti-drug office says opium poppy production in Afghanistan was down 19 percent this year compared to 2007 due to successful campaigns in the north and east though fields in the south remain awash in the heroin-producing crop.
bohicatwentytwoAug 26, 2008
"The Mahdi Army supporting al-Maliki in Iraq."Are you watching a different Iraq war than the rest of us? The Mahdi Army was not supporting Iraqi government, it was fighting against it.
bigmanoncampusAug 26, 2008
We didn't invade Afghanistan as a sovereign state, we bombed the Taliban as they were a military force on one side of a civil war of sorts. When the Taliban was bombed sufficiently and the opposition had pushed them back, then we put troops on the ground. This was hardly an invasion as there was no sovereign power in the land prior to us being there, and the more powerful group that was there was operating outside of all normal nation/state channels and supporting international terrorism. Afghanistan was not a nation, and if they had been a nation they probably wouldn't have directly supported 9/11. The Taliban, however, was a gang of religious nuts that were supporting international terrorism and trying to take over a country .
bohicatwentytwoAug 26, 2008
Sadr is a tool of Iran. That's why he's hiding in Qom, hitting the books to someday become a Ayatollah.
Closed AccountAug 26, 2008
Not sure why you're taking umbrage with me. I've been against meddling in Afghanistan from the very beginning. Al Qaeda camps or not, we should never have stepped foot in that country. When your country's tradition is full of violence, corruption, and has a drug trade that is the backbone of the economy, it's pointless to even attempt to change things from the outside. If the Afghans want change, it will have to come from within, period.Now add to the fact that we're trying to work with a country's leader who has praised and supported the "enemy" in the past and is still reportedly connected to them, and it's pretty clear to see that the only way to effectively win this war is to kill every living thing in Afghanistan. Which is also not a viable option, obviously.Afghanistan was and still is a bad decision, and any surge in troops will only prolong the inevitable of accomplishing nothing.Meanwhile, if we'd spent 1/10 the amount on revamping our intelligence community as we'd spent on these two wars, we'd be 100 times more secure than we currently are.