Higherlogic has a point. No real developer is going to use a wysiwyg all by itself, then again no commercially developed website that both "looks" professional as well as functional would be built in text editor all by itself. Every time I hear some programmer claim their greatness because they only use notepad its pretty obvious just looking at the site. Many times you may comp out a layout for look and feel in an editor like Dreamweaver and then hand code and polish up your code in a text editor. Obviously logical code both server side and client side scripting will most likely be done in a text editor. The whole hubris I only use notepad is a bit overwhelming unless you just need your page to have the look and layout of something like the Google homepage which is a nursery school layout. Granted Google is more about the coding and engine behind the scenes.
DW is for people that still believe table are for layouts.As a professional web developer I can, without a doubt, tell you it does NOT do its job very well at enterprise level. No serious coder will ever let a third-party application determine the boundaries of ability or delivery. Dreamweaver is for amateurs learning the trade. Sure you can use code view but if that's the case use a REAL project manager that can do it's job properly. The very nature of DW allows the person using it to produce the most disgusting and bloated mark-up ever. Not to mention non-compliant and totally inaccessible.If you're going to take the time to learn DW then use that time in a better way and go and learn XHTML specifications and get coding with some confidence.Buried for lameness.
Dreamweaver's layout engine is just plain bad. The more complex the site is, the less of what I see is what I get.I've tried using Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG, I really did give it a chance. It often tends to take up more time than it saves. Not only do you have to bend to Dreamweaver's will if you're doing interactive layout through the GUI, which often leaves undesireable code, but even using it passively for instant feedback tends to be deceptive at best, sometimes completely messed up.I've stopped using Dreamweaver and gone with a plain-text editor, and I feel much better for it. Not because I'm a snob and enjoy pointing fingers at WYSIWYG users, but because it gives me complete control and understanding of my code. Plain-text in combination with a real browser window that's either refreshed manually or javascript reload on interval gives me much more confidence in my work than WYSIWYG. Modifying any existing page with WYSIWYG makes me feel like I'm stepping over a mine field. By plain-text I don't necessarily mean notepad. Auto-complete, code-snippets and such are helpful, Dreamweaver itself without WYSIWYG is good for that purpose, even though I don't use it.
"DW is for people that still believe table are for layouts."That's funny, I've been building CSS-only sites for a while now and using DW. I guess I should use something more elite like vim or eclipse. "Dreamweaver is for amateurs learning the trade."I guess that's why it's one of the most widely used web IDEs in the industry. We must all be amateurs. What do you use that makes you so much more of a "professional?"The future of the web is going to be sites and apps that are easily edited by people that wouldn't know the first thing about something like vim (or whatever it is that the professionals are using these days). Sure there are plenty of good CMSs out there, but DW is one of the only apps I know of that's added a pretty comprehensive layer that allows the average computer user to be able to edit content, even on an enterprise level (using DW in combination with Contribute).I completely understand that everyone has the tools that work best for them. But saying that DW isn't appropriate for enterprise level sites or that only amateurs use it is a pretty naive statement.
stockjonesApr 5, 2007
Higherlogic has a point. No real developer is going to use a wysiwyg all by itself, then again no commercially developed website that both "looks" professional as well as functional would be built in text editor all by itself. Every time I hear some programmer claim their greatness because they only use notepad its pretty obvious just looking at the site. Many times you may comp out a layout for look and feel in an editor like Dreamweaver and then hand code and polish up your code in a text editor. Obviously logical code both server side and client side scripting will most likely be done in a text editor. The whole hubris I only use notepad is a bit overwhelming unless you just need your page to have the look and layout of something like the Google homepage which is a nursery school layout. Granted Google is more about the coding and engine behind the scenes.
thelostsignalApr 5, 2007
DW is for people that still believe table are for layouts.As a professional web developer I can, without a doubt, tell you it does NOT do its job very well at enterprise level. No serious coder will ever let a third-party application determine the boundaries of ability or delivery. Dreamweaver is for amateurs learning the trade. Sure you can use code view but if that's the case use a REAL project manager that can do it's job properly. The very nature of DW allows the person using it to produce the most disgusting and bloated mark-up ever. Not to mention non-compliant and totally inaccessible.If you're going to take the time to learn DW then use that time in a better way and go and learn XHTML specifications and get coding with some confidence.Buried for lameness.
subtonicApr 5, 2007
Whenever I see a long page of tutorials nobody will ever go through it just reaffirms my belief in software books.<a class="user" href="http://www.friendsofed.com">http://www.friendsofed.com</a>
somasynthApr 5, 2007
Dreamweaver's layout engine is just plain bad. The more complex the site is, the less of what I see is what I get.I've tried using Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG, I really did give it a chance. It often tends to take up more time than it saves. Not only do you have to bend to Dreamweaver's will if you're doing interactive layout through the GUI, which often leaves undesireable code, but even using it passively for instant feedback tends to be deceptive at best, sometimes completely messed up.I've stopped using Dreamweaver and gone with a plain-text editor, and I feel much better for it. Not because I'm a snob and enjoy pointing fingers at WYSIWYG users, but because it gives me complete control and understanding of my code. Plain-text in combination with a real browser window that's either refreshed manually or javascript reload on interval gives me much more confidence in my work than WYSIWYG. Modifying any existing page with WYSIWYG makes me feel like I'm stepping over a mine field. By plain-text I don't necessarily mean notepad. Auto-complete, code-snippets and such are helpful, Dreamweaver itself without WYSIWYG is good for that purpose, even though I don't use it.
ipointeApr 5, 2007
I pretty sure digg can read my mind...i was just looking for dreamweaver tutorials.
spliffyApr 5, 2007
textmate anyone?
redividerApr 5, 2007
"DW is for people that still believe table are for layouts."That's funny, I've been building CSS-only sites for a while now and using DW. I guess I should use something more elite like vim or eclipse. "Dreamweaver is for amateurs learning the trade."I guess that's why it's one of the most widely used web IDEs in the industry. We must all be amateurs. What do you use that makes you so much more of a "professional?"The future of the web is going to be sites and apps that are easily edited by people that wouldn't know the first thing about something like vim (or whatever it is that the professionals are using these days). Sure there are plenty of good CMSs out there, but DW is one of the only apps I know of that's added a pretty comprehensive layer that allows the average computer user to be able to edit content, even on an enterprise level (using DW in combination with Contribute).I completely understand that everyone has the tools that work best for them. But saying that DW isn't appropriate for enterprise level sites or that only amateurs use it is a pretty naive statement.
insovietrussiaApr 5, 2007
Probably meant to say IDE, but even that's a stretch for DW.
fzeroApr 5, 2007
Real men write code by hand.
ricochet1269Apr 5, 2007
I logged in just to give you a digg, thanks!
rhollowayApr 7, 2007
My guess is you're very fat, utterly sexless, and probably haven't been able to see your penis since you were six.
crossersJul 15, 2008
you can find many dreamweaver tutorials in google.<a class="user" href="http://www.shpe-sac.org">http://www.shpe-sac.org</a><a class="user" href="http://www.ocflex.com/">http://www.ocflex.com/</a> <a class="user" href="http://www.trgovinca.org">http://www.trgovinca.org</a><a class="user" href="http://www.chasr.org/">http://www.chasr.org/</a>
hontisMar 11, 2009
I prefer video based Dreamweaver tutorials like the lynda ones or the ones listed at <a class="user" href="http://www.computer-training-software.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.computer-training-software.com</a>