q.queso.com — It turns out that the people behind Blue Security (the shady email spam fighters) took the step that led to the DDOS against Six Apart's network last night, and took TypePad and LiveJournal off the net as a result.
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eridiusMay 4, 2006
What? Six Apart isn't some backup network for Blue Security - they provided a blog for Blue Security. Nowhere in the service agreement was the implication that Six Apart was responsible for blunting a DDoS against Blue Security's main server. They paid for a *blog*. If I buy an apple from you, do I have the right to expect you to step in front of a bullet for me? Or, more accurately, do I have the right to *push* you in front of a bullet for me?
nodnarb24May 4, 2006
I agree with ingoldsby. I think they were primarily just trying to get their information up again and thought that Six Apart could take the load since they are a large site. I believe they just weren't thinking straight about the consequences and they will probably pay for that mistake. If they really wanted to redirect the attack, I'm sure they would have found a better target than someone innocent like Six Apart.
Closed AccountMay 4, 2006
Bluesecurity did act irresponsibly. However, I have been using this software for some time.I don't plan to quit using any time soon. I ain't certainly gonna give into the threats of these spammers.Actually, this proves that the spammers are scared. Guys join blue security ( it integrates with ie, fx thunderbird software.It works on web based mails like gmail and yahoo ).Blue security probably wanted to keep the users informed about the developments and hence pointed their domain towards the blog without thinking about the consequences.~ Pallabwww.pallab.net
mag1c1anMay 7, 2006
You can read more about it right on digg:<a class="user" href="http://digg.com/security/Blue_Security%E2%80%99s_%E2%80%9CBlue_Frog%E2%80%9D_illegally_spamming_and_DDOSing_#c1643393">http://digg.com/security/Blue_Security%E2%80%99s_%E2%80%9CBlue_Frog%E2%80%9D_illegally_spamming_and_DDOSing_#c1643393</a>Hope that helps!
Closed AccountMay 8, 2006
since when do spammers deserve any sympathy? seems like blue frog/security are doing the right thing here, and probably playing by more rules than the spammers have been doing. Most scumbag spammers (or the spam that I get) has no unsubscribe/optout links anyhow (weren't these agreed to be scams in of themselves?) so I don't see how it's even very effective - obviously must be due to the response from spammers however...More (questionable?) info here:<a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_security">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_security</a>
weeeezzllMay 18, 2006
Just so everyone is aware, they did not redirect a DDoS. Their IPs were black-hole filtered making them unreachable outside of Israel. When they realize people outside of Israel couldn't see their page they pointed their domain name to their Typepad blog so they could let users know what was going on. After they redirected...quite a bit after...PharmaMaster started the DDoS. Once PharmaMaster realized they had redirected their site he then chose to go directly to the source and DDoS attack their DNS provider. Not just Blue Security's domains, but Tucows DNS server directly.
weeeezzllMay 18, 2006
Actually Blue Security redirected their site to the Typepad blog when they realized that there was hardly getting any traffic at all. They knew something was happened and the amount of traffic they get to their site dropped drastically.
dataptjohnMay 19, 2006
Well what the frog did was find /any/ form on the website and use that form to fill in the optout plea.It really can't be called DDoS. We don't call Wal-Mart DDoS'd when they have too many people on Christmas do we? We say, hey open more Wal-Marts. Get more employees.Well if the Spammers bit off more than they can chew by mass mailing so many people, it is their own fault for not having the resources to respond to each and every single one of those that they mailed.Oh noz! They have to pay for tech support! Welcome to the real world.