news.com.com— Found guilty by a jury, a California man faces time in federal prison for sending out e-mail scams and related crimes.
Jan 16, 2007View in Crawl 4
If you're going to call a mistrial on personal bias in spam and phishing, it'll be nearly impossible to find a group of people who have gone unaffected. It's like asking people if they've checked their email before...
A lot of people are saying that murder is much worse and should receive a much stiffer sentence. But is that true? If someone for whatever reason loses his temper one night and does something really really stupid because he was overwhelmed by emotion, is that worse than someone who coolly and deliberately plots to steal from someone else -- from people who don't have the mental faculties to take care of themselves? Personally I would find it much easier to forgive a murderer than a thief. A murderer might be reckless and stupid, but a thief really and truly deserves a more severe punishment IMO
Damn just 101 years, what happens when my son is 102 years old and his personal computer gets hacked by this guy seriously our justice system sucks. (In all seriousness the punishment is a little harsh, don't get me wrong he did something very bad and he deserves to be prosecuted but he should have to pay back all the money he scammed out of people and give him about 15-20 years in prison and he gets out put an ankle bracelet on him that will tell us everytime he logs on to aol.com, which of course by then will be non-existent but even if he thinks to visit aol.com the ankle bracelet will send a signal to the fbi, cia, riaa, mpaa, etc... actually its pretty cool its a ringtone that plays Make it Rain by Fat Joe and they will catch him again and this give him 101 years, bye
Read the post of aramova above. Then read rcain's response to msprout.I'm not saying I've reconciled all of this issue of the appropriate punishment in my mind, but what bothers me is that those who think this potential length of prison terms (which will probably never happen anyway) is excessive seem to be forgetting about the sheer number of attacks on individual people. The internet age has made possible these billions upon billions of attempts, by one hacker or a few of them, to defraud and steal from individual people. We have been lulled to sleep, so to speak, by the simple ease with which hackers do this, by the broadcast-like nature of this whole thing. But that does not change the reality that the number of victims in these crimes is huge. So the potentially long sentence comes from MULTIPLE COUNTS and MULTIPLE CRIMES. It can't be appropriately compared to murder unless you count the same number of murders as fraud victims - if someone murdered just as many people as this person has defrauded, then I would sure hope the sentence would be tons longer, and worse in every way, than what this guy is getting for his internet crimes.Please - think about the number of attempts at fraud and theft here, which are crimes in themselves, and then on top of that the number of people who were financially and personally harmed. Even those who did not fall for his phishing scheme are victims of a crime. And yes, I am angry about it - I am sick and tired of all of us being constanlty under siege, in OUR internet, that has been hijacked by goons like this person who will hopefully go to jail for a long, long time. The constant flooding of OUR internet infrastructure with this kind of slime, for which the perpetrators pay virtually nothing, is costing all of us lots of money that we can never properly count. Can you imagine what kind of service we'd all receive from our ISPs, and the cost savings that would in some measure be passed on to users, if there were actually a way to stop spam and email fraud? Can you imagine what it's costing us?Yes, and then IN ADDITION to that there are the thousands of people having their identies and their money stolen./rant
vaduzlJan 17, 2007
Any normal person , facing months in Prison, is a Huge deterrent. . It wasn't an accidental crime . But months not years. .
Closed AccountJan 17, 2007
If you're going to call a mistrial on personal bias in spam and phishing, it'll be nearly impossible to find a group of people who have gone unaffected. It's like asking people if they've checked their email before...
wachter1Jan 17, 2007
A lot of people are saying that murder is much worse and should receive a much stiffer sentence. But is that true? If someone for whatever reason loses his temper one night and does something really really stupid because he was overwhelmed by emotion, is that worse than someone who coolly and deliberately plots to steal from someone else -- from people who don't have the mental faculties to take care of themselves? Personally I would find it much easier to forgive a murderer than a thief. A murderer might be reckless and stupid, but a thief really and truly deserves a more severe punishment IMO
juliocgrajalesJan 17, 2007
Damn just 101 years, what happens when my son is 102 years old and his personal computer gets hacked by this guy seriously our justice system sucks. (In all seriousness the punishment is a little harsh, don't get me wrong he did something very bad and he deserves to be prosecuted but he should have to pay back all the money he scammed out of people and give him about 15-20 years in prison and he gets out put an ankle bracelet on him that will tell us everytime he logs on to aol.com, which of course by then will be non-existent but even if he thinks to visit aol.com the ankle bracelet will send a signal to the fbi, cia, riaa, mpaa, etc... actually its pretty cool its a ringtone that plays Make it Rain by Fat Joe and they will catch him again and this give him 101 years, bye
twangoJan 17, 2007
I hate that stuff as bad as the next person, but 101 years is the kind of punishment that should be reserved for people hurting other people.
ramazJan 18, 2007
Read the post of aramova above. Then read rcain's response to msprout.I'm not saying I've reconciled all of this issue of the appropriate punishment in my mind, but what bothers me is that those who think this potential length of prison terms (which will probably never happen anyway) is excessive seem to be forgetting about the sheer number of attacks on individual people. The internet age has made possible these billions upon billions of attempts, by one hacker or a few of them, to defraud and steal from individual people. We have been lulled to sleep, so to speak, by the simple ease with which hackers do this, by the broadcast-like nature of this whole thing. But that does not change the reality that the number of victims in these crimes is huge. So the potentially long sentence comes from MULTIPLE COUNTS and MULTIPLE CRIMES. It can't be appropriately compared to murder unless you count the same number of murders as fraud victims - if someone murdered just as many people as this person has defrauded, then I would sure hope the sentence would be tons longer, and worse in every way, than what this guy is getting for his internet crimes.Please - think about the number of attempts at fraud and theft here, which are crimes in themselves, and then on top of that the number of people who were financially and personally harmed. Even those who did not fall for his phishing scheme are victims of a crime. And yes, I am angry about it - I am sick and tired of all of us being constanlty under siege, in OUR internet, that has been hijacked by goons like this person who will hopefully go to jail for a long, long time. The constant flooding of OUR internet infrastructure with this kind of slime, for which the perpetrators pay virtually nothing, is costing all of us lots of money that we can never properly count. Can you imagine what kind of service we'd all receive from our ISPs, and the cost savings that would in some measure be passed on to users, if there were actually a way to stop spam and email fraud? Can you imagine what it's costing us?Yes, and then IN ADDITION to that there are the thousands of people having their identies and their money stolen./rant