I never understood the point in hacking the #(@* out of CSS, ESPECIALLY doing so in the past couple of years.Let's face it. If somebody is using IE as their number 1 browser, I doubt that that type of person is going to care that the blue part of the page is a little off to the left or some nonsense. I mean, to take it further let's face it - who uses websites to look at pretty pictures or pretty layouts? I think a large majority of people use websites because they are bored, because they want information, or because they need access to some sort of service. If something looks a little off, as long as the person is able to do what they need/want to do, I don't see the problem.The problem is making a web page match the silly little design. BUT WHO CARES ABOUT THE DESIGN!?!? Look at the oldest media around these days, newspapers. They all look like #@*, it's text on some white paper and you get god damn ink all over your fingers.The solution to the problem is to kill all designers, and all those that think that the actual design of a page means something.
you've missed the reason why tables shouldn't be used for layout in the first place, though. The reason layout tables are bad is because they often do not linearise properly. That is, the order in which they are supposed to be read is not the order in which the content appears in the HTML. This causes many problems with screen readers. if the W3 introducted a layout tag like that it would completely go against the reason why they have been pushing for DIVs in the first place. It sounds like you're stuck with the "table logic". DIVs require a different way of thinking, you need to forget everything you know about HTML layout to fully appreciate CSS layout.
-- grr, I didn't make a new thread - I clicked reply --AJAX is great, isn't it ... except when it doesn't work. A full page refresh might look ugly but at least you are co-ordingating a million tiny bits of code all over the place.
Misunderstanding #3: "Accessibility Means to Always Use Alt Text"This is dead wrong. Images always need alt text because if they don't have alt text the screen readers will read the image name. What's more descriptive, an image name, or a sentence describing what the image is about?
"Tables are still useful, and in many cases create less markup, than using a purely div and span based layout, when used with intelligent CSS practices. Everyone is so proud of their table-free layouts but ultimately they are limiting themselves and forcing divs, spans, and uls to be used in ways they are not strong at, particularly if one cares about supporting MSIE (hey, they still have 85% market share... somehow...)"This table layout<table width="100%"><tr><th id="header" colspan="3">Header</th></tr><tr>
bpapaJun 24, 2006
I never understood the point in hacking the #(@* out of CSS, ESPECIALLY doing so in the past couple of years.Let's face it. If somebody is using IE as their number 1 browser, I doubt that that type of person is going to care that the blue part of the page is a little off to the left or some nonsense. I mean, to take it further let's face it - who uses websites to look at pretty pictures or pretty layouts? I think a large majority of people use websites because they are bored, because they want information, or because they need access to some sort of service. If something looks a little off, as long as the person is able to do what they need/want to do, I don't see the problem.The problem is making a web page match the silly little design. BUT WHO CARES ABOUT THE DESIGN!?!? Look at the oldest media around these days, newspapers. They all look like #@*, it's text on some white paper and you get god damn ink all over your fingers.The solution to the problem is to kill all designers, and all those that think that the actual design of a page means something.
kazrogJun 24, 2006
shortkidd - yeah, that's what they'd have you believe. In practice I've found it to be less cut-and-dry though.
thankthecheeseJun 24, 2006
you've missed the reason why tables shouldn't be used for layout in the first place, though. The reason layout tables are bad is because they often do not linearise properly. That is, the order in which they are supposed to be read is not the order in which the content appears in the HTML. This causes many problems with screen readers. if the W3 introducted a layout tag like that it would completely go against the reason why they have been pushing for DIVs in the first place. It sounds like you're stuck with the "table logic". DIVs require a different way of thinking, you need to forget everything you know about HTML layout to fully appreciate CSS layout.
neomatrixJun 24, 2006
Can you Right click -> Lock Tab in Firefox?.... wrong topic sorry
cazabamJun 24, 2006
-- grr, I didn't make a new thread - I clicked reply --AJAX is great, isn't it ... except when it doesn't work. A full page refresh might look ugly but at least you are co-ordingating a million tiny bits of code all over the place.
jtrostJun 24, 2006
Misunderstanding #3: "Accessibility Means to Always Use Alt Text"This is dead wrong. Images always need alt text because if they don't have alt text the screen readers will read the image name. What's more descriptive, an image name, or a sentence describing what the image is about?
haploJun 24, 2006
Misunderstanding #0: HTML and CSS are *no* standards.
gygaJun 24, 2006
"Tables are still useful, and in many cases create less markup, than using a purely div and span based layout, when used with intelligent CSS practices. Everyone is so proud of their table-free layouts but ultimately they are limiting themselves and forcing divs, spans, and uls to be used in ways they are not strong at, particularly if one cares about supporting MSIE (hey, they still have 85% market share... somehow...)"This table layout<table width="100%"><tr><th id="header" colspan="3">Header</th></tr><tr>
aiahoosMay 21, 2010
As for me it is easy. I had learned standarts at <a class="user" href="http://phpforms.net/tutorial/tutorial.html," rel="nofollow">http://phpforms.net/tutorial/tutorial.html,</a> and now sometimes i read about their changes