computerworld.com— Details of Windows Phone 7 and the development environment are coming to light at Microsoft's MIX10 Web developer conference.
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You're preaching to the choir. Multi-tasking on a small device with limited processing power, that is designed for the consumer market is asinine. Only 5% of the market know what multi-tasking is. The rest couldn't be bothered. They just want it to work. If MS, or Apple design for 5% of the market, they'll lose. Owning a computer is just like owning a car. It needs to be maintained properly. Most, have no idea.
Seriously.Objective C is insane, and XCode is horrible. If Microsoft knows how to do one thing, it's making sure developers are in for a comfortable ride.Hi, I'm Wayne247. You might remember me from such posts as "FIRST PSOT!!" and "wait, what?" I develop software for a living, and let me tell you that after working for years in Visual Studio, Xcode/ObejctiveC has a horrible steep learning curve.If "easy languages" and "plug and play" coding makes for crappy applications, according to people that complain about Java and C#, then this is the proof against it. The quantity of horrible, crappy, broken and crashy app on the iPhone is very large, and these are the ones that get approved! Imagine getting your apps from lol4nowappz.com without any oversight?Yeah, Windows Phone 7 series is going to be a magnet for developers, you got that right.Give it a year for application to mature and this thing will be a serious mobile platform.
The 6680 is a S60 v2 device, if I remember correctly.Try a v3 or v5 device (particularly one of the newer ones with more RAM) - much nicer. I don't remember if v2 does it but it will close applications if RAM becomes an issue. It is worth noting that one of the differences between v2 and v3 is a different kernel.I have had several applications open, and yes it lags a little bit, but my phone dates from 2006 so I am hardly expecting perfection.
Hey guys, NEWS FLASH: This phone isn't really designed for geeks. Do you really think your wife/girlfriend/ is going to walk in, look at a phone running 7 and go, "Hmm..well there's no copy and paste, this is just disturbing...please don't show me this". Here's the answer: Most likely no. They're going to see how easily it incorporates things they care about, like friend feeds, photos, gaming, and music. The OS is specifically designed for the average consumer, and trust me, the average consumer is looking for a smart phone these days. Sure, it's nowhere near perfect. As we can tell from the iPhone, people don't need every little thing to enjoy a phone. Sometimes not having features is a feature in of itself. Simplicity is key to this platform and it will make things a lot better in the end.
The iPhone can run C, also.And if you're going to bitch about C also being too hard, you need to turn in your developer card.(Disclaimer, GUIs must be done in Obj-C, but really, just doing a GUI in Obj-C isn't that hard. Obj-C 2.0 and C# are actually extremely similar, making me wonder if anyone calling C# easy and Obj-C hard has actually ever done any Obj-C.)
ryan_kwMar 17, 2010
You're preaching to the choir. Multi-tasking on a small device with limited processing power, that is designed for the consumer market is asinine. Only 5% of the market know what multi-tasking is. The rest couldn't be bothered. They just want it to work. If MS, or Apple design for 5% of the market, they'll lose. Owning a computer is just like owning a car. It needs to be maintained properly. Most, have no idea.
wayne247Mar 17, 2010
Seriously.Objective C is insane, and XCode is horrible. If Microsoft knows how to do one thing, it's making sure developers are in for a comfortable ride.Hi, I'm Wayne247. You might remember me from such posts as "FIRST PSOT!!" and "wait, what?" I develop software for a living, and let me tell you that after working for years in Visual Studio, Xcode/ObejctiveC has a horrible steep learning curve.If "easy languages" and "plug and play" coding makes for crappy applications, according to people that complain about Java and C#, then this is the proof against it. The quantity of horrible, crappy, broken and crashy app on the iPhone is very large, and these are the ones that get approved! Imagine getting your apps from lol4nowappz.com without any oversight?Yeah, Windows Phone 7 series is going to be a magnet for developers, you got that right.Give it a year for application to mature and this thing will be a serious mobile platform.
Closed AccountMar 17, 2010
The 6680 is a S60 v2 device, if I remember correctly.Try a v3 or v5 device (particularly one of the newer ones with more RAM) - much nicer. I don't remember if v2 does it but it will close applications if RAM becomes an issue. It is worth noting that one of the differences between v2 and v3 is a different kernel.I have had several applications open, and yes it lags a little bit, but my phone dates from 2006 so I am hardly expecting perfection.
biofusionMar 17, 2010
Hey guys, NEWS FLASH: This phone isn't really designed for geeks. Do you really think your wife/girlfriend/ is going to walk in, look at a phone running 7 and go, "Hmm..well there's no copy and paste, this is just disturbing...please don't show me this". Here's the answer: Most likely no. They're going to see how easily it incorporates things they care about, like friend feeds, photos, gaming, and music. The OS is specifically designed for the average consumer, and trust me, the average consumer is looking for a smart phone these days. Sure, it's nowhere near perfect. As we can tell from the iPhone, people don't need every little thing to enjoy a phone. Sometimes not having features is a feature in of itself. Simplicity is key to this platform and it will make things a lot better in the end.
Closed AccountMar 18, 2010
B1665r: Explain to me how my ipod keep playing music while i browse with safari then.
colincornabyMar 18, 2010
The iPhone can run C, also.And if you're going to bitch about C also being too hard, you need to turn in your developer card.(Disclaimer, GUIs must be done in Obj-C, but really, just doing a GUI in Obj-C isn't that hard. Obj-C 2.0 and C# are actually extremely similar, making me wonder if anyone calling C# easy and Obj-C hard has actually ever done any Obj-C.)
manicleekMar 18, 2010
Sounds almost like a current iPhone
mrbitchMar 19, 2010
@ soopafly, RE: " .. Maybe it takes that long to reverse engineer an iPhone."Zing!