petakillsanimals.com — From July 1998 through the end of 2005, PETA killed over 14,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 90 percent of the animals it took in during 2005 alone.
Dec 17, 2006 View in Crawl 4
greedycheeseDec 17, 2006
I agree with your comments. My take on it is that while there is a precedent for animals eating animals, there are a lot of other precedents set in the animal kingdom that we reject. Polygamy, eating of young, murder, the list goes on. There have been points in our evolution where we have throw out behaviors that were once vital to our culture that we no longer needed. Our species is at a point where we can actively choose our evolution. And discussion of our interaction with meat should certainly be a topic of discussion.
Closed AccountDec 18, 2006
I'm looking at the actual document at petakillsanimals.com, and it looks like many of the animals euthanized because they are so badly injured.They did this to 58 birds because they were "badly burned by a transformer" (no, a robot didn't swoop down and blast them).While I do believe these people are pretty nuts, please don't base all of your judgments on vague assumptions made by people just because they happen to get ahold of a few forms that have almost no detail whatsoever as to circumstance.Now if you actually contact PETA and get some sort of explanation, you can move forward on that somewhat. This sort of reactive crap doesn't help anyone.
coremanDec 18, 2006
It's not the calories that matter, it's the protein. Animals are protein concentrators. We all get plenty fat from eating or drinking carbohydrate-laden products that have no animal products in them. But how many indigenous diets are purely vegan? Not too many, and if there are some, it is probably because meat production is not feasible in the area. Also, there are a couple of nutrients (cyanocobalumin comes to mind - it's made by rumen bacteria) that are not generated by our bodies or in plant-based food sources. Sure, we make it synthetically now, but a pure vegan diet isn't going to have much of it.As always, there are always tradeoffs. How many ethnic diets are purely vegan? Eskimos seem to do fine on a pure animal food diet. Somehow I don't think I could ever eat whale blubber or raw seal meat, though (but yet I have no problem with sushi).The corporate factory animal production facilities are depraved. But, unfortunately, that is probably going to be the way of things, at least in North America. Land that is good for raising livestock in a pastoral setting is also highly coveted by real estate developers.And, as other radical groups go after range grazing of livestock, there goes that other natural method of raising livestock. So confinement raising of livestock is, in many ways, becoming the only economically viable method. (most of our hamburger comes from dairy cows... in essence, the modern confinement dairy farm is in effect a giant feedlot for cows destined for hamburger, that happens to produce thousands of gallons of milk daily. For what these dairy farms look like, drive along I-84 east of Nampa to Twin Falls, ID)Sure, in some places, there is a good group of citizens who are more than willing to pay for naturally raised livestock product (Portland, OR), and it is possible for a few small-scale farmers and ranchers to make a rather good living supplying this market. But, most people are pretty militant about paying the cheapest price for the most food (i.e., the Walmart crowd), and decide that quantity is far more important that quality. They dictate the market realities. At least Walmart doesn't sell much lamb!Another regional group that is doing good things is Oregon Country Beef. They're a co-op of beef ranchers in Oregon that are committed to no antibiotics (unless the animal is sick. LA-200 oxytetracycline can do wonders...), straight range-fed and grass-finished cow production. They're doing relatively well, but it probably can't scale too much bigger than it is now. Maybe a regional grocery chain or few will buy retail meat from them, maybe not. But Safeway and Kroger's probably never will, unless it's a premium brand. They supply Burgerville restaurants (Willamette Valley and SW Washington) with their hamburger. Who knows where the hamburger that McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, etc. comes from anymore. I live in the Willamette Vally, Oregon. Down by Eugene, they raise THOUSANDS of sheep. But these are a byproduct of raising annual rye grass for seed. The sheep grazing on the annual rye grass fields over the winter significantly increase the production of seed from the plants in the summer. The sheep (lambs and wool) are a secondary product of grass seed production (which is the raison d'etre for the grass farmers). It is a side benefit for these sheep that they are entirely grass-fed, just like sheep in New Zealand. They are about as low input as can get for sheep, even compared to my relatives in Wyoming raising sheep on open range (the grass seed production subsidizes the sheep business).Yes, in other areas of the US, at least, plenty of livestock go from birth to final trip on a confinement farm (i.e., feed lot), where they are fed plenty of grain products and hay, instead of idly grazing the days by on large pastures. And we do dump a good portion of grain production into livestock. But that is changing as well. It's getting expensive to ship grain around. ADM et al. are starting to buy up more of it for EtOH conversion. This will put a premium on varieties that are optimized for carbohydrates and other traits beneficial for this, rather than for feed (i.e., protein, digestibility). And biodiesel production is eventually going to change the economics of other popular feed grains (i.e., soybeans) the same way as well.And for these farmers, ekeing out the maximum production from their animals in the shortest amount of time, whether it is pigs for ham and bacon, dairy cows for quick milk production (some dairies milk 4x/day, the cows are spent in 2-3 years), or cows for steaks... For these farmers, it's a matter of volume and efficiency of scale. Land is just too expensive relative to most agricultural products. Also, it gets to the point where it's better to outsource your feed production, and let someone else eat the depreciation on specialized equipment (hay bailers, silage choppers, etc) to someone else who can do it at an economical scale that you the cow rancher can't beat. And you do what you can to minimize your capital and operating expenditures (i.e., buildings, equipment) relative to the numbers you're trying to produce, which justifies more and more commercial confinement animal production.As good as grass-fed chicken is (whether you call it "free range" or not doesn't matter) compared to your average Tyson or Draper Valley commercially raised chicken, there is no way that raising 50,000 chickens on pasture is economically possible. The labor costs on grass-fed chicken at this scale would be...bad. But it works for someone raising them in batches of 50 or 100 (what fits in an 8'x8' chicken "tractor")... So the reality is that 99.9% of US chickens are grown in less than natural confinement buildings, and never see the light of the sun. (I could go on about how it's far easier to sell eggs off the farm or at a market than it is fresh chicken, yet there have been far more problems with samonella in eggs than in cooked chicken...)Screw issues with petro-based fertilizers. The real problem with agriculture in the US is going to be access to fresh water. California is screwed if the aquifers in the Central and Imperial Valley start drying up or getting salt intrusion. The Midwest (i.e., between Rocky Mts and Great Lakes) is having some tough challenges with drought conditions, and the Oglalla Aquifer is getting sucked down pretty hard, too, so this is going to affect wheat and similar grain production negatively. At some point, the situation will get bad enough that the 100-plus year old rules on water rights in the western US will have to get thrown out. 30+ million people (and the votes and lobbyist $$$) in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix AZ and Denver, CO will make it happen. That will change the economics of agriculture out here drastically.Oh well. At least for a few years, we in the US will survive with more and more of our commodity agricultural products, grain and meat, coming from South America. *:( It's to the point where American farmers and ranchers are investing in operations in Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina... Better go see the Amazon and other wonders before it's too late...Yes, I'm a small scale virtual sheep rancher (my sheep are on leased property...) in the Willamette Valley... wanna buy some Perendale or English Leicester wool?
y0smokeyDec 18, 2006
>>Unfortunately, it's just that, a machine. The welfare of an individual animal is diminished. If one has 4000 dairy cows, and one or two get sick, the value of fixing up an animal is lessened by the other 3999 that are healthy and producing and need the time and energy on them.It is hit or miss really...getting milked every day 2-4x a day means the cows get looked at 2-4x a day. Sick cows can be picked up every day, and treated quickly. A pasture grazing downed cow may not be seen for days. Parasite burdens are often greatly increased with pasture grazing as well. >>Actually, it does. Antibiotics are often added to feeds for animals raised in feedlots or other confinement situations. The research on improved daily gains for feedlot animals fed low levels of antibiotics vs non-medicated feeds is well established. Some of it is medically necessary (anti-coccidiostats, especially for poultry production), but most of it isn't. Plus, the residues do show up in laboratory tests on meat, even when withdrawal schedules are followed... We already worry about over prescription of antibiotics in humans already, so why add more trace amts into the diet? Drug-resistant bacteria are also not fiction, either... they get this way by...being exposed to antibiotics!The FARAD does a great job of creating guidelines for the use of antibiotics. The FDA does a great job of deciding which classes of antibiotics safe to use in food animals that will not overlap with human antibiotics. There are always exceptions with the elimination of the drugs, for instance an animal with liver damage will likely not clear that antibiotic in the allotted time, however they took this into account when deciding the safety. You are correct when saying that trace amounts are found, but these amounts are so minuscule they are diluted in our body within seconds, or destroyed by our GI enzymes before being absorbed. Things nowadays are safer then they have EVER been. Things are regulated, guidelines are followed (or bye bye profits when your product is condemned). Meat nowadays, despite the millions of paper headlines, is safer then it has been in 50 years. >>That's great, but it shatters people's images of dairy cows grazing on grass, enjoying the sunlight, or someone slaving away on a trawler getting a wild product...There are pro's and con's to the current system. I agree it needs improvement and I would like to see the cows get some more outside exposure, but you would have to understand the amount of land needed to supply our current demands. For instance in FL the cows need at least 10 acres of land per head on pure pasture grazing to produce anywhere close to the level they do currently. Since we are overpopulating the earth so badly, all our animals on pasture free range is not conceivable. Once again I think a compromise is the answer (and maybe sterilize half of the people that post on digg...lol)>Waste is recycled, water is recycled,>>More and more, it *HAS* to be. On the flip side, it can be stored, anaerobically digested, and the methane used to power the farm...I saw 2 farms out of like 15 that had methane recyclers. Both of them were given to them for research studies. Neither of them worked properly. I think it is an awesome idea, but it needs some serious refinement. I would love to see it up and running and economically feasible soon.....but as of now it isn't. Maybe a little government shove will get the ball rolling.You make good points and a good argument....but I am more of a realist. I would love to see every animal happy and sitting on pasture, but that just isn't feasible in this day and age. Me and you can both agree that improvements are needed.
dbressDec 18, 2006
go vegan!
Closed AccountDec 18, 2006
@ryllharuPart of the argument of fairness is the way we raise "food animals." Animals eating animals happens in nature. Humans raising animals is factory farms is much different. Animals are crammed in cages, swimming in their own s**t without the ability to turn around or run for their life. Practice humility and put yourself in both situations. It's kind of like the old days when Indians still owned America. When they hunted the buffalo, they honored the beast. Sure they had to eat it to survive, but they revered the animal. They used all the parts of the animal and wasted nothing. In their eyes, the animal died with honor. When animals die in modern factory farms, they do not die with honor.
calimochoDec 18, 2006
killing an animal is not in and of itself un-ethical. Socities for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals also kill them. Is it more ethical to let a dog live who is half-starved and has a broken leg laying on the side of a road when no one can or will take it in?The important thing is to find a balance. No one is going to take precious steak and cheeseburgers away from Americans. But, food animals should suffer as little as possible, and "euthanasia" on stray domesticated animals should be reduced to as few as possible by spaying and neutering.
uvalax0203Dec 18, 2006
I live in Norfolk near their building and one night they stole my cat off my porch, and when we went to go pick it up most of the cars in their parking lot had leather seats and most of the people working their had either leather shoes or purses.
darthbibbleDec 19, 2006
But don't support PETA. Yes, it's possible.
redcaryDec 19, 2006
While I do think PETA is extreme and has its share of nutjubs...This website is run by <a class="user" href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/</a> .... these people also say "While they certainly are not health food, the overstated health claims leveled against trans fats are much more hype than science." <a class="user" href="http://www.trans-fatfacts.com/">http://www.trans-fatfacts.com/</a> mmmm... smells a bit like this: <a class="user" href="http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/video_player.html?denial">http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/video_player.html?denial</a> "The Center for Consumer Freedom is a nonprofit coalition of restaurants, food companies, and consumers working together to promote personal responsibility and protect consumer choices.The growing cabal of "food cops," health care enforcers, militant activists, meddling bureaucrats, and violent radicals who think they know "what's best for you" are pushing against our basic freedoms. We're here to push back.""Who funds you guys? How about some "full disclosure"?The Center for Consumer Freedom is supported by restaurants, food companies and more than 1,000 concerned individuals. From farm to fork, our friends and supporters include businesses, employees and consumers.The Center is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) corporation. We file regular statements with the Internal Revenue Service, which are open to public inspection.Many of the companies and individuals who support the Center financially have indicated that they want anonymity as contributors. They are reasonably apprehensive about privacy and safety in light of the violence some activist groups have adopted as a "game plan" to impose their views."See Tinker's comment above and... <a class="user" href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom</a>
cmsancheJul 15, 2007
PETA = Proactively Engaging in Terrorist Activities
rhymeskissNov 18, 2007
Shame on them!so what is up with the HBO special, coming up on November 19TH?Is it an expose' on those freaky dog and cat murderers?My English professor, promotes PETA, as "animal rescue".animal rescue my, butt! Just another money grabbing fake rescue organization.
Closed AccountDec 3, 2007
Cheapest and the best data recovery service in the world.<a class="user" href="http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/">http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/</a>Hard Drive Recovery* All Makes & Models* 48 Hour Turn-Around* Cheapest in UK<a class="user" href="http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/harddriverecov">http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/harddriverec ...</a>ery.htmlRaid Recovery* Raid 0,1, 5 & 10* All Raid Servers* Quickest in UK<a class="user" href="http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/raidrecovery.h">http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/raidrecovery ...</a>tmlLaptop Data Recovery* All Laptops & Notebooks* 48 Hour Turn-Around* Cheapest in UK<a class="user" href="http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/laptoprecovery">http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/laptoprecove ...</a>.htmlMac Recovery* All Mac Systems* 48 Hour Turn-Around* Cheapest in UK<a class="user" href="http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/MacRecovery.ht">http://www.advanceddatarecovery.co.uk/MacRecovery. ...</a>mlCall 0800 075 0720 (Free Call Number)Anthony O'Haresupport@easyrecovery.netsales@easyrecovery.net___________________________________________________________EASY RECOVERY IRELAND<a class="user" href="http://www.easyrecovery.ie/">http://www.easyrecovery.ie/</a>Hard Drive Recovery * All Makes & Models * 48 Hour Turn-Around * Cheapest in Ireland<a class="user" href="http://www.easyrecovery.ie/harddriverecovery.html">http://www.easyrecovery.ie/harddriverecovery.html</a>Laptop Data Recovery * All Laptops & Notebooks * 48 Hour Turn-Around * Quickest in Ireland<a class="user" href="http://www.easyrecovery.ie/laptoprecovery.html">http://www.easyrecovery.ie/laptoprecovery.html</a>Raid Data Recovery * Raid 0,1 & 5 * All Raid Systems * Cheapest in Ireland<a class="user" href="http://www.easyrecovery.ie/raidrecovery.html">http://www.easyrecovery.ie/raidrecovery.html</a>Mac Recovery * All Mac Systems * 48 Hour Turn-Around * Cheapest in Ireland<a class="user" href="http://www.easyrecovery.ie/MacRecovery.html">http://www.easyrecovery.ie/MacRecovery.html</a>Support Center: 0044 2890 961976Anthony O'HareFor more information: sales@easyrecovery.ieFor support updates: support@easyrecovery.ie___________________________________________________________Senpai IT Solutions is a fast growing company with an expanding IT development team. We specialize in software, web, and database development, cryptography, corporate design, and Flash animation. We deliver our solutions to small businesses, corporate customers, financial institutions, and government organizations.<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/">http://www.senpai-it.com/</a>SEERVERS<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/dedicated_servers.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/dedicated_servers.php</a>SOLUTIONS<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php</a>PROJECTS<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/projects.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/projects.php</a>ABOUT US<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/about.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/about.php</a>CONTACT<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/contact.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/contact.php</a>Dedicated Servers€69: 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 800GB HDD | €99: 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 800GB HDD | €229: 3.0GHz, 6GB RAM, 1.5TB HDD<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/dedicated_servers.php">http://www.senpai-it.com/dedicated_servers.php</a>Security & CryptographyAttack feasiblisity and security analysis | System security implementation | Remote hands service for your server<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#crypto">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#crypto</a>E-CommerceDevelopment of web shops | Development of financial software | Development of e-paymet systemsE-CommerceDevelopment of web shops | Development of financial software | Development of e-paymet systems<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#ecommerce">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#ecommerce</a>Software DevelopmentBusiness analysis and CRM systems | Bug fixing and application testing | Development of network protocols<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#software">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#software</a>Design & ArtworkCorporate design, print production | Application interfaces design | All kinds of computer graphicsDesign & ArtworkCorporate design, print production | Application interfaces design | All kinds of computer graphics<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#design">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#design</a>Web DevelopmentDevelopment of web sites and portals | Flash animation and Action Scripting | Development of web services<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#web">http://www.senpai-it.com/tech.php#web</a>Finding misplaced or hidden information from websites<a class="user" href="http://www.senpai-it.com/articles.php?id=1">http://www.senpai-it.com/articles.php?id=1</a>Siarhei Shandrokha (CTO, Senpai IT Solutions)siarhei@senpai-it.com___________________________________________________________<a class="user" href="http://www.airsole.net">http://www.airsole.net</a>elevator shoesTurn any shoes into height increase elevator shoes.___________________________________________________________<a class="user" href="http://www.gov-auctions.org">http://www.gov-auctions.org</a><a class="user" href="http://cars.gov-auctions.orgAir">http://cars.gov-auctions.orgAir</a> hostess - <a class="user" href="http://www.sristysaviation.com">http://www.sristysaviation.com</a>
mattmiddletonJan 18, 2008
PETA members aren't good people. I've read what they write on their forums and websites, I've watched videos of their protests, and I've met some face to face. I even have the misfortune of having a PETA member in my own family. At best PETA members are misguided fools, and at worst they're insane fanatics.PETA, ALF, ELF, and other so called "animal rights" activists are a threat to our freedom and well-being. But they don't need to be. Each of us has the power to take action against these groups, to protest them, to discredit them, to oppose them. The problem is most of the public is ignorant and apathetic. They don't understand just how extreme PETA is, and they don't believe PETA is a threat, but it is. The good news is that the normal people in the United States far outnumber all the animal rights activists combined, and if we work together we can stop them.
xaltruistxFeb 17, 2008
...You're overexaggerating, and you know it. Come on...worse than big oil? Riiight. There goes YOUR credibility.
xaltruistxFeb 17, 2008
I believe the document is true. I believe everything the site says about PETA performing the killings. What I don't believe is that the animals were killed needlessly. It's simple. If they accepted fewer animals, they would have to kill fewer. Besides, they're probably rescuing those animals from terrible situations that left them broken. It's not like these are just random strays. They're not the ASPCA.
xaltruistxFeb 18, 2008
The best way to promote Veganism is to attack the meat industry.The best way to promote Veganism is to simply promote the benefits.As an amateur philosopher, I have a very strange idea for you:The opposite of a profound truth is often another profound truth.Consider that. I'll say no more and rely on you to cometo the right conclusion.
xaltruistxFeb 18, 2008
What you are suppose to do is consider it. Look at a farm. The tractors, the barns, the workers, the vaiours tools, and the machinery. Maintaining animals is very energy dependent. Am I supposed to believe that most American farms run on hopes and dreams?Besides, the UN (Yes, the United Nations), in its report Livestock's Longshadow, acknowledged that livestock is one of the top contributors to environmental degradation, ahead of transportation.
xaltruistxFeb 18, 2008
Meant to DIgg, nut Bury. Sorry.
xaltruistxFeb 18, 2008
Religion is all about indoctrination. I never really believed in God. I have always question everything, never accepting anything based on authority. Most people are more susceptible to indoctrination. They hear about God over and over and just ignore their reasoning against it, because tradition, sadly, is king.The government indoctrinates. How many kids actually know what they're pledging to during the Pledge of Allegiance. If I had known how corrupt the government is, I would never have pledge allegiance and am not guaranteed to honor it. PETA does not have the power to indoctrinate. PETA is an activist organization. Activists are strong willed people, not given to being brainwashed. The people who says PETA brainwashes people speak as if they're naive little sheep incapable of sound reasoning.Propaganda has no real meaning. It has a negative contation, but it describes basically anything that promotes anything. The Red Cross uses propaganda Amnesty International uses propaganda. Churches use propaganda. Propaganda is not an inherently bad thing.
xaltruistxFeb 18, 2008
Besides the likelihood that the insulin doesn't com from any animal, there's this clearification:PETA is against UNECESSARY murder. We are not suicidal supporters of voluntary human extinction. If you need to kill or exploit to survive, I feel for you, and probably wouldn't object to it. If you DON't have to, and most of us don't, don't.
nikitabMay 12, 2008
Yeah, but over 90%?
stubarAug 29, 2008
Does the normal person understand how extreme the meat industry is? A parallel with PETA or a large step beyond?
morghanphoenixSep 1, 2008
I'd like to recommend supporting someone a little less mad than PETA, there are plenty of them out there, the most famous probably being the ASPCA. I don't think anyone who is paying attention thinks that PETA is a good thing, but saying they do more harm than good is just wrong, the lesser of two evils is still an evil.
youreadySep 29, 2008
As if Peta kill thousands of animals. The information is totally corrupt, this article or what ever it is could of been written by anyone... Maybe someone who Peta had shut down and cost them a fortune in the process? Some disgruntled puppy farm owner I am wondering.
moojaOct 2, 2008
Everyone needs to kill to survive. Pull your head out. Not all life has big brown eyes and a bushy tail. Do you even know what life is?
moojaOct 2, 2008
So it's "feelings" you're worried about? Do you care at all about life? If so why do you kill other life to survive?
rsandmanJan 17, 2009
Haaaaaahahaha...that was good."consuming meat increases the quantity of greenhouse gases much more than eating vegetables."hilarious.as if CO2 or even methane was a noticeable fraction of the greenhouse "effect" compared to water vapor (the reason the sky is blue?), and as if anything mankind has ever or could ever do would be capable of altering the climate one iota. Or as if CO2 was even a toxin. (hint, more of it just makes plants grow greener, faster, and it gets quickly absorbed, like within days of any concentration higher than earth-average).It is an orders-of-magnitude logic problem - there is a reason that although an ant can lift 20 times it's weight, you still don't worry about whether stepping on one will cause you to be flipped on your back. Yes, we need to be energy efficient.Yes, we need to eliminate sources of toxins released into the environment.Yes, we need to pursue honesty in free markets, so the economics of viable alternative sources of energy, like solar heating and geothermal energy and nuclear electricity, can fight fairly over the long term with hydrocarbons...but where it makes sense, not with subsidies.
rsandmanJan 17, 2009
and your point would be?
goomba4001Apr 29, 2009
Eat your young. XD You win in internet.
antilisaOct 10, 2009
This is completely untrue! As another commenter posted, the Center for Consumer Freedom is a front for a group of food industry lobbyists. Read here: <a class="user" href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=PetaKillsAnimals.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=PetaKil ...</a>
alxrudorFeb 16, 2010
Cool, it's really interesting <a class="user" href="http://krasnovmebel.com.ua" rel="nofollow">http://krasnovmebel.com.ua</a> харьков мебель, мебель в харькове
alxrudorFeb 16, 2010
Cool, it's really interesting <a class="user" href="http://krasnovmebel.com.ua" rel="nofollow">http://krasnovmebel.com.ua</a> харьков мебель, мебель в харькове