My old laptop (Dell Inspiron 1100) has some known hardware problems with Linux. A search of any Linux board also shows that there are no perfect solutions to the problems. So buying a computer with Linux already installed ensures that you're not going to a problem similar to mine. That's why I was interested in this article. However, I found it interesting that there is NO price difference between a Dell 1525 with Linux installed and the same system with Windows installed. What is up with that? So is Dell's profit on a Ubuntu system that much larger? So much for passing savings on to the customer.
@over9kI cannot speak to Apple's patents because I haven't heard about too many of them but that particular one doesn't seem too bad as it primarily affects only newer technology and afaik it hasn't been implemented yet. The patents I mentioned have been implemented by many other companies for a decade or more and a few are fundamental to nearly every complex program@strangeSadly yes. I would like to point out for the record, though, that MS isn't the patent holder on that one (thank god) but another company did manage to patent both the singly and doubly linked list a couple of years ago.It's pretty f**ked up how some big companies run around making a mockery of the U.S. patent system by stealing other people's ideas like that and then try to use it to enforce/protect their own agenda
OK, I dunno about you, but I'm on a University Campus... and the only people I know that have any inkling of what "Linux" actually is are the CS students. These articles are quite annoying because they only give light to those who can already see. I know what Linux is, and I know how easy it is to install, as do probably 99% of Digg users, and you are fooling yourselves if you think the manufacturers are going to give you a major discount because you bought a computer with Linux pre-installed.
Who knows, maybe they think they can use it as leverage to coerce them into cooperating if they ever need to or something... some companies will try to get out of legal costs by whatever means they can sometimes...Maybe they just intend to sue smaller companies they know will lose. After a precedence is set they can go after bigger ones.... I really do know though, I'm just guessing. It seems like the fact they even got the patent would count for something on one hand but I have no idea how it could stand up in court if the judge had any notion of the context on the other. I am no IP litigator though... you may find more details on this case specifically from groklaw.org if you want them.Also, this may be one of the patents that are being reviewed. I think I heard something about a bunch of more recently granted computer patents being reconsidered but I could be mistaken...
I agree, a good 45-50 minutes to very nicely build the system, and that can include multiple hard drives and nice cable arrangement and so. Depending on your Linux distribution, count between 30 minutes to an hour on a reasonably fast system. Now for the $100 argument, nope, you do save a lot more. First you pay an avg. of $250-$300 less than an off the shelf similar category. You get to buy exactly what you wanted, not what the vendor saw profitable to bundle, and in general you get better quality and higher spec parts.
strangewillSep 1, 2008
Linked lists?Does a company really think they can patent a widely used data structure standard?
Closed AccountSep 1, 2008
My old laptop (Dell Inspiron 1100) has some known hardware problems with Linux. A search of any Linux board also shows that there are no perfect solutions to the problems. So buying a computer with Linux already installed ensures that you're not going to a problem similar to mine. That's why I was interested in this article. However, I found it interesting that there is NO price difference between a Dell 1525 with Linux installed and the same system with Windows installed. What is up with that? So is Dell's profit on a Ubuntu system that much larger? So much for passing savings on to the customer.
bavarianbuiltSep 1, 2008
Lets not forget about Lenovo either <a class="user" href="http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Info/08/Linux">http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/we ...</a>
smotpokerSep 2, 2008
@over9kI cannot speak to Apple's patents because I haven't heard about too many of them but that particular one doesn't seem too bad as it primarily affects only newer technology and afaik it hasn't been implemented yet. The patents I mentioned have been implemented by many other companies for a decade or more and a few are fundamental to nearly every complex program@strangeSadly yes. I would like to point out for the record, though, that MS isn't the patent holder on that one (thank god) but another company did manage to patent both the singly and doubly linked list a couple of years ago.It's pretty f**ked up how some big companies run around making a mockery of the U.S. patent system by stealing other people's ideas like that and then try to use it to enforce/protect their own agenda
Closed AccountSep 2, 2008
OK, I dunno about you, but I'm on a University Campus... and the only people I know that have any inkling of what "Linux" actually is are the CS students. These articles are quite annoying because they only give light to those who can already see. I know what Linux is, and I know how easy it is to install, as do probably 99% of Digg users, and you are fooling yourselves if you think the manufacturers are going to give you a major discount because you bought a computer with Linux pre-installed.
smotpokerSep 2, 2008
Who knows, maybe they think they can use it as leverage to coerce them into cooperating if they ever need to or something... some companies will try to get out of legal costs by whatever means they can sometimes...Maybe they just intend to sue smaller companies they know will lose. After a precedence is set they can go after bigger ones.... I really do know though, I'm just guessing. It seems like the fact they even got the patent would count for something on one hand but I have no idea how it could stand up in court if the judge had any notion of the context on the other. I am no IP litigator though... you may find more details on this case specifically from groklaw.org if you want them.Also, this may be one of the patents that are being reviewed. I think I heard something about a bunch of more recently granted computer patents being reconsidered but I could be mistaken...
db113456Sep 2, 2008
I do, so start counting. And I also build for friends, family and clients, so keep counting.
db113456Sep 2, 2008
I agree, a good 45-50 minutes to very nicely build the system, and that can include multiple hard drives and nice cable arrangement and so. Depending on your Linux distribution, count between 30 minutes to an hour on a reasonably fast system. Now for the $100 argument, nope, you do save a lot more. First you pay an avg. of $250-$300 less than an off the shelf similar category. You get to buy exactly what you wanted, not what the vendor saw profitable to bundle, and in general you get better quality and higher spec parts.