Apple doesn't make a 24" display, it's a 23" display. It's the same LCD that's in the HP L2335. Very nice panel.I decided on the HP because:- Several hundred cheaper, with the SAME LCD (by the same manufacturer)- DVI input, like the Apple, but also includes VGA, DVI-A, Component, Composite, and S-Video inputs. You can use it as an HDTV (or just any TV) without problems. The HP has a good scaler.- Tilt and swivel base- Height adjustment - and the ability to tilt the monitor 90 degrees for full page viewingThe HP doesn't look any less appealing then the Apple either. Both have a low profile bezel.Point is, Apple does put together good equipment, but they're not the only ones. If I were in the market for a 30" monitor, besides the fact that the Dell is cheaper, it also has many more features and more inputs.
@ Seumas: Obviously you only had the Apple as a choice, and your monitor is very nice. Yes, you've enjoyed it for awhile now. But NOW THERE IS ANOTHER ONE and that's why we're talking about it.Geez man use some brains.
MAYBE!!!!!!! f**king because windoze PC's are ugly and black therefore they look good with the ugly black dell display and macs are cool and silvery so they look better with the cool silvery ACD!!!
@cbreaker: can't you be nice about it? I mean, what do you get out of being mean to Seamus? You could say the same thing, while being kind, and promote a positive community of healthy debate, rather than a hostile environment where we insult eachother after making our remarks.Although, I agree with your comment that it is a good and important article at the present time, as I'm in the market for a large LCD monitor.
"Cnet is referring to XP's built in font smoothing. OSX has it as well, but XP's implementation is nicer."Xp has pants font smoothing. Apple's looks some much better, it looks a lot smoother.
@lmlloyd:Honestly, how does it make a lick of sense that I would be a fanboy for Apple displays over others? If I was, don't you think I'd have two ACDs and not just one and a Dell display? You are being quite presumptuous in you name calling. My information is factual and you can find sources in print and on the net to confirm it if you desire to do so.Background: I am a digital post production technician. I do retouching, I train professional photographers, I calibrate displays, I consult photographers on equipment and workflow and anything else they may need related to digital photography.This is my business:<a class="user" href="http://www.oaktree-imaging.com">http://www.oaktree-imaging.com</a>and this is my personal site:<a class="user" href="http://www.dynamicartwork.com/">http://www.dynamicartwork.com/</a>Now that you know my background...There are considerable misconceptions on monitor calibration and allot of ignorance on proper viewing conditions as well. A display cannot be overly bright for a number of reasons.1. Whitepoint and Blackpoint: With CRTs one can adjust the brightness of whites with contrast adjustments and the deepness of blacks with the brightness adjustments. LCDs cannot make such adjustments since the only analog adjustment available is the brightness control. Thus, both whites and blacks must be adjusted at the same time. A compromise must be made between white accuracy and black accuracy and 120cd/m2 provides the best results with current LCD technology.An overly bright LCD will lead to washed out blacks. that in turn has an effect on how the image appears to the viewer in contrast, saturation and color accuracy.More info with examples:<a class="user" href="http://www.digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf">http://www.digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf</a>2. Perception of Whites: This is related to the first point. If a display is too bright, whites will appear much more luminance than they actually are. This can easily lead to the viewer making adjustments to an image that are darker than optimal. "Why are my prints so dark?" is a question I get often only to discover the person is using a display that is too bright. The human eye is easily fooled and is why it is very critical to minimize as many variables as possible.3. Viewing Conditions: According to ISO standard 12646, the optimal room luminance for accurate color-work is 32 lux at a temp of 5,000K. At these conditions, the room can be quite dim and a display that is too bright will magnify the problem I pointed to in #2. It can also cause eye-strain.Why dim the room so much? Why not make the room brighter to compensate for the display? The answer is simple. The display is only as black as the light around it allows it to be. If room light is too high, more light can reflect off the display and have a detrimental effect on how the display renders colors. This goes back to the importance of blacks in point #1.If you look up ISO 12646, you will also notice it recommends a max display luminance of 120cd/m2. This is the newest draft of the standard and that recommendation was created for the use of LCD displays. The ISO does not come up with these numbers arbitrarily. It is a result of extensive research and if you follow the standard, you will be well set for accurate color work..__.There are many good sources for this information if you care to put out the effort to find them rather than throw insults. I'd recommend the sites www.creativepro.com and www.digitaldog.net to start. The book Real World Color Management is also an excellent technical source for this information.
Well, the deal is, the screesn for both are made by LG.Philips (according to Anandtech). LG.Philips mass produces screens which are then branded by other companies.The only major difference is the way the screens are engineered.LG.Philips, Samsung, Sony and Sharp are the four major screen manufacturers, FYI.
godricMar 24, 2006
Anandtech's comparison review of the 2005fpw and the 20 Inch Cinema is also worth a read. Dell monitors are an excellent value.<a class="user" href="http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400">http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400</a>
cbreakerMar 24, 2006
Apple doesn't make a 24" display, it's a 23" display. It's the same LCD that's in the HP L2335. Very nice panel.I decided on the HP because:- Several hundred cheaper, with the SAME LCD (by the same manufacturer)- DVI input, like the Apple, but also includes VGA, DVI-A, Component, Composite, and S-Video inputs. You can use it as an HDTV (or just any TV) without problems. The HP has a good scaler.- Tilt and swivel base- Height adjustment - and the ability to tilt the monitor 90 degrees for full page viewingThe HP doesn't look any less appealing then the Apple either. Both have a low profile bezel.Point is, Apple does put together good equipment, but they're not the only ones. If I were in the market for a 30" monitor, besides the fact that the Dell is cheaper, it also has many more features and more inputs.
cbreakerMar 24, 2006
@ Seumas: Obviously you only had the Apple as a choice, and your monitor is very nice. Yes, you've enjoyed it for awhile now. But NOW THERE IS ANOTHER ONE and that's why we're talking about it.Geez man use some brains.
alej744Mar 24, 2006
MAYBE!!!!!!! f**king because windoze PC's are ugly and black therefore they look good with the ugly black dell display and macs are cool and silvery so they look better with the cool silvery ACD!!!
naterMar 25, 2006
@cbreaker: can't you be nice about it? I mean, what do you get out of being mean to Seamus? You could say the same thing, while being kind, and promote a positive community of healthy debate, rather than a hostile environment where we insult eachother after making our remarks.Although, I agree with your comment that it is a good and important article at the present time, as I'm in the market for a large LCD monitor.
archer75Mar 25, 2006
Both monitors use the same panels. The only difference is the plastic that surrounds them.
chadseldMar 25, 2006
Personal preference. I like my monitors higher so that my back is straight. I had to build a 4" shelf for my old-model cinema display.
r3zonanceMar 25, 2006
"Cnet is referring to XP's built in font smoothing. OSX has it as well, but XP's implementation is nicer."Xp has pants font smoothing. Apple's looks some much better, it looks a lot smoother.
seniorelguapoMar 25, 2006
@lmlloyd:Honestly, how does it make a lick of sense that I would be a fanboy for Apple displays over others? If I was, don't you think I'd have two ACDs and not just one and a Dell display? You are being quite presumptuous in you name calling. My information is factual and you can find sources in print and on the net to confirm it if you desire to do so.Background: I am a digital post production technician. I do retouching, I train professional photographers, I calibrate displays, I consult photographers on equipment and workflow and anything else they may need related to digital photography.This is my business:<a class="user" href="http://www.oaktree-imaging.com">http://www.oaktree-imaging.com</a>and this is my personal site:<a class="user" href="http://www.dynamicartwork.com/">http://www.dynamicartwork.com/</a>Now that you know my background...There are considerable misconceptions on monitor calibration and allot of ignorance on proper viewing conditions as well. A display cannot be overly bright for a number of reasons.1. Whitepoint and Blackpoint: With CRTs one can adjust the brightness of whites with contrast adjustments and the deepness of blacks with the brightness adjustments. LCDs cannot make such adjustments since the only analog adjustment available is the brightness control. Thus, both whites and blacks must be adjusted at the same time. A compromise must be made between white accuracy and black accuracy and 120cd/m2 provides the best results with current LCD technology.An overly bright LCD will lead to washed out blacks. that in turn has an effect on how the image appears to the viewer in contrast, saturation and color accuracy.More info with examples:<a class="user" href="http://www.digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf">http://www.digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf</a>2. Perception of Whites: This is related to the first point. If a display is too bright, whites will appear much more luminance than they actually are. This can easily lead to the viewer making adjustments to an image that are darker than optimal. "Why are my prints so dark?" is a question I get often only to discover the person is using a display that is too bright. The human eye is easily fooled and is why it is very critical to minimize as many variables as possible.3. Viewing Conditions: According to ISO standard 12646, the optimal room luminance for accurate color-work is 32 lux at a temp of 5,000K. At these conditions, the room can be quite dim and a display that is too bright will magnify the problem I pointed to in #2. It can also cause eye-strain.Why dim the room so much? Why not make the room brighter to compensate for the display? The answer is simple. The display is only as black as the light around it allows it to be. If room light is too high, more light can reflect off the display and have a detrimental effect on how the display renders colors. This goes back to the importance of blacks in point #1.If you look up ISO 12646, you will also notice it recommends a max display luminance of 120cd/m2. This is the newest draft of the standard and that recommendation was created for the use of LCD displays. The ISO does not come up with these numbers arbitrarily. It is a result of extensive research and if you follow the standard, you will be well set for accurate color work..__.There are many good sources for this information if you care to put out the effort to find them rather than throw insults. I'd recommend the sites www.creativepro.com and www.digitaldog.net to start. The book Real World Color Management is also an excellent technical source for this information.
diggtardMar 27, 2006
I've had my 2405 for a few months and no sign of this "lagging"
sathishcjDec 5, 2006
Well, the deal is, the screesn for both are made by LG.Philips (according to Anandtech). LG.Philips mass produces screens which are then branded by other companies.The only major difference is the way the screens are engineered.LG.Philips, Samsung, Sony and Sharp are the four major screen manufacturers, FYI.