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Closed AccountAug 22, 2010
What a disaster and it's f**ked up no one even got fired for completely lying about what happened to Pat Tillman. I guess it should be expected while America wages 2 illegal wars...
wrathboneAug 22, 2010
fired? that's it?
mabsarkAug 28, 2010
Everyone should boycott Digg on Monday.
Closed AccountAug 22, 2010
technically, no war is illegal
exactly whose jurisdiction are you using? who will enforce that claim even if it were true?
meeohmiAug 22, 2010
I'm curious to know what reason an "atheist, an academic and a fan of linguist Noam Chomsky" had to join the military.
SoCalLongieAug 22, 2010
The fact that you're curious is pathetic.
Tens of thousands us enlisted within months of 9/11. I was 18 and felt obligated to do my part. Pat did too.
I've HEARD that he was going to use his celebrity to speak out about the terrible stuff we were doing there and so he just murdered. I'm hoping the complete truth come out someday, but like 9/11 I doubt the masses will ever really know what happened.
meeohmiAug 23, 2010
I didn't say there shouldn't be a reason, I said I was curious to know what it was. I don't consider myself pathetic and I find your moral outrage amusing. I just thought it was strange. And by "strange", I mean anomalous, not weird. Especially the mention of Chomsky, whose ideas are completely antithetical to almost every modern war, and I'm *curious* to know how someone would reconcile an action that conflicts so fundamentally with a (to my knowledge) held philosophy. I wasn't passing judgment, just expressing curiosity. The celebrity idea could make sense, except participating in "the terrible stuff" isn't the best way to speak out about it. I'm sure he had his reasons. I wish I could ask him what they were and it's a tragedy no one ever can, because he seems like an incredibly interesting person.
PS- f**k you
SoCalLongieAug 23, 2010
Oh you were just curious what his reason was for enlisting, huh. Well then you're pathetic and very stupid.
9/11, dummy. When 9/11 went down, young men like Pat and I said "f**k this s**t" and walked into a recruiting office.
Expressing curiosity my ass.
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rmxzAug 23, 2010
9/11 --- IIRC, that's when
* 15 Saudi guys,
* 2 from the United Arab Emirates
* 1 from Egypt,
* 1 from Lebanon,
* 0 from Iraq and
* 0 from Afghanistan
learned some terrorist skills in a flight school in Florida and crashed a plane into buildings in the US US?
Why would that get people (outside of defense contractors) to want to invade Iraq?
SoCalLongieAug 23, 2010
Who the f**k said anything about Iraq??
We were attacked. People were pissed and went into super-patriot mode. Some people donated money to Red Cross. Some people gave blood. Some of us made the mistake of thinking our government would go after the people responsible and enlisted. I'm so sorry i didn't have your wonderful foresight to know the war on Terror would end up being such bulls**t. I was 18 and thought I was doing the right thing by strapping it on for my country. I'm sure Pat did too.
You make think you're real smart pointing this s**t out 9 years later, but it really makes you look like a monday morning quarterback.
The guy said he couldn't understand why Tillman enlisted. I don't think he was being genuine, so I called him out on it.
drew101Aug 22, 2010
because athiests and intelectuals can't be patriotic or morally outraged at 9/11 and feel the need to enlist to defend their nation?
lonestarlizardAug 23, 2010
Not that I've ever heard of. Usually they're too busy attacking and criticizing America to ever care much about defending it.
spazattack5000Aug 22, 2010
Are you suggesting he had some sort of hidden motives?
drew101Aug 23, 2010
no, but i feel that in this time of the American view of onward Christian soldier mentality dis credits the patriotism of other denominations.
And well the I'm tired of the typical soldier being a mindless weapon who has no interest in anything other than sports and video games.
I belive that Pat Tillman was a man who answered his country's call in a time of need.
joot2112Aug 22, 2010
Burned his diary? A diary can be a precious memento for a grieving family. The military deliberately denied the family that remaining piece of him??
SoCalLongieAug 22, 2010
Your question marks indicate that you're surprised the military did this. I'm not. One would assume there were things written that the military didn't want getting released.
ismhmrAug 22, 2010
Tillman was murdered on orders. End of debate.
sanmanAug 22, 2010
why was he murdered on orders? what did he do?
akula89Aug 22, 2010
anti war, well known = dead i guess
sanmanAug 23, 2010
but Tillman wasn't anti-war, he was spurred by the 9/11 attacks to join the military and pursue AlQaeda - something which the Left tell us is immoral, unethical, and deludedComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
oboshoeAug 23, 2010
Sorry he said end of debate. You must logoff now
factorof13Aug 23, 2010
He was against the war in Iraq.
sanmanAug 23, 2010
but Tillman wasn't serving in Iraq - he was serving in Afghanistan
what does Tillman's death in Afghanistan have to do with Iraq?
publiclurkerAug 23, 2010
Well, if the war mongers like you were to drag him into Iraq from Afghanistan before killing him, it would have made the cover up a lot harder.
medallionsAug 23, 2010
Tillman served in Iraq before going to Afghanistan.
He was the most well known soldier at the time and he was vocal in his anti-war views..
This was no accident, in my opinion.. Some one in his platoon wanted him dead.
ryanisnotsuperAug 23, 2010
Tillman had very unembedded feelings about the Iraq War. His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, "I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of [an Iraqi city] watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f***ing illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush." With these revelations, Pat Tillman the PR icon joins WMD and Al Qaeda connections on the heap of lies used to sell the Iraq War.
http://www.thenation.com/article/pat-tillman-our-hero
ismhmrAug 23, 2010
Its funny too.. They are trying the same thing with Iran, and people actually are believing it again....
govtdoesnotworkAug 23, 2010
"unembedded" -- interesting word. I kinda like it.
jaybeascorpusAug 23, 2010
I don't think he was murdered on orders. I think it was a massive f**k-up that killed him. The attempt by the government to change the story afterward and then do everything in its power to hide the truth is the real sickening part of this story.
ismhmrAug 23, 2010
Isn't it the same thing? Hiding the truth is the same as doing it yourself. If they can do one thing so easily (lie) what would make them feel guilty about doing it themselves?
Its like a wife knowing that her husband is molesting their kids, and doesn't say anything. Same thing.
ciliciousAug 23, 2010
I ache for his family.
partrowAug 23, 2010
Would this be as much in the media if he had not been a sports person?
aeakersAug 23, 2010
Their response would have been much different if he was not. But, to answer your question, No.
partrowAug 23, 2010
Would this be as much in the media if he had not been a sports person?
Certainly a worthy story, but seems like it receives more attention than would be expected from a soldier only story.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ryanisnotsuperAug 23, 2010
It still receives so much attention because it is one of the most easily provable lies of the Bush administration.
deejqu1kAug 23, 2010
The world does not operate in a vacuum. Hopefully this brings attention to all those people who died in a "gray story."
jaybeascorpusAug 23, 2010
You can also check out Jon Krakauer's "Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman" - it does a great job of charting his life as well as the course of the country after 9/11. It's a great read, but will get you really angry about all the bulls**t the administration was directly responsible for.
gotbannedagainAug 23, 2010
What this country did to Pat Tillman is a real tragedy. Instead of admitting the fault of friendly fire (which happens often, it's a tragic mistake) - they tried to play up the entire situation like he was an American hero in order to forward the Bush Administrations propaganda to promote more support for the war.
We did this man a real disservice by lying about what happened to him.
I had a close friend of mine that died a few weeks ago in Afghanistan. The official word from the military was that he stepped on a pressure-sensitive IED inside of a compound they were clearing. He told the part of his platoon that was clearing the house with to get out, and he took it. As much as I'd like to believe this is true, and that he died a hero - the Tillman case just goes against the Armed Services' credibility when it comes to describing how someone met their end.
purkelAug 24, 2010
sorry to hear about your friend. sounds like a very brave man.
mrzack9Aug 23, 2010
it was unfriendly friendly fire. meaning he was ordered to be killed by Bush''s Neocons becuz Tillman was going back to spill the beans on how fuked up this fake war is.
lsweet80Aug 23, 2010
All legitimacy in your (conspiracy) theory was lost the minute you decided to use the word 'becuz'
kimera2006Aug 23, 2010
End the damn wars already!!
evilkrustydollAug 23, 2010
All the conspiracy theorists here over-estimate how much clout Pat Tillman even had. He had his 15 minutes of fame going in, but its not like he was Troy Aikman or Brett Favre leaving the NFL to go serve, he was a 226th draft pick and hardly a star. Even if he came back a rampaging liberal ranting about how evil this war is the only people who would have listened to him are the same people against the war from the beginning anyway.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
trexorAug 23, 2010
Did you see the trailer to the film? Tilman was being watched very closely by Donald Rumsfeld and top brass.
pjone88Aug 23, 2010
This man is what a man is suppose to be. Honor, pride, respect and duty.
It's a shame the government used eveything good about him to fulfill an agenda that was wrong.
govtdoesnotworkAug 23, 2010
Given the history of US behavior in various conflicts worldwide, some folks are now forced to wonder if this particular hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzd7--PsTM#t=6m35s
was simply getting pissed off about the heroin business, and whether Pat Tillman may have gotten "terminated with extreme prejudice" for that. If you think it's not possible, then you don't know your war/drug-war history.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
"Friendly fire" is the best phrase ever.
Next time the police get called to a house on suspicion of domestic dispute, not to worry. It's just a "Blissful stabbing." Happens all the time when two people are truly in love.
lricoAug 25, 2010
There is no such thing as Friendly Fire