nfl.fanhouse.com — The Jets don't -- can't possibly -- believe they'll be all right if they have to play this season without Darrelle Revis. His absence would be devastating, as he himself realizes. And it is for that reason that the Jets should swallow hard and pay him what he wants.
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bonesehAug 11, 2010
Hopefully they don't and he goes to the Dolphins
thejackattackAug 11, 2010
Hopefully they don't and he goes out of the division
bonesehAug 11, 2010
He'd fit in best as a Dolphin. That way he can get the Jets back!
davidtcAug 11, 2010
Or how about he continues to uphold his agree to the contract he signed with states how long he plays for the Jets and how much the Jets pay him. If he was injured, he would still be paid you know he wouldn't say anything along the lines of taking a paycut cause he can't play.
f**k him and f**k every other hold out. You singed the contract, now uphold your side of it.
ricker2005Aug 11, 2010
That logic only holds up until you realize that teams don't have to hold up their end of the bargain. An NFL team can end a player's contract at any time, essentially doing the very thing that you are complaining about: walking away from a contract they signed.
The system, as currently designed, is f**ked and holding out is the only way players can gain leverage against an employer who can terminate their contract any time they feel like it.
shingoexAug 11, 2010
Uh, he wasn't talking the team's end of the deal...he was referring to Revis'.
drunkenvthokieAug 11, 2010
The contract system is definitely not flawed. While the length of the contract isn't guaranteed, a significant portion of contracts in the NFL include guaranteed money. That way people still get paid even if they don't play. It's a matter of negotiating contracts, so while the organization can get rid of the player they would still have to pay him any guaranteed money. For the people without guaranteed money in their contracts, they need to perform and if the organization doesn't extend their contract for good play then they need to remember that when they become free agents. Bottom line: you sign a contract then you should play, it's common knowledge that the team can cut you anytime but you get payed a ridiculous NFL salary to help mitigate the risk.
Also, if you play a couple years then you get pension (playing 4 years gets you 60K/yr until you hit Social Security)
smacksawAug 11, 2010
Your post outlines what is wrong with casual sports fans.
His contract has nothing to do with a contract as normal people understand it. Equating them is basically an admission of laziness in that you don't care to learn what the difference is between an NFL contract and the kind of contracts we sign in our daily lives.
I never see people like you admonish the teams for cutting players under contract or forcing players under contract to renegotiate for less money.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
netmindstormAug 11, 2010
>>You singed the contract<<
So they got him for a song and dance?
The players' side of these type of disputes are simple: the contracts are not guaranteed so the players can be cut by the teams/owners without the owners having to fulfill their end of the contract...at least as I understand it. If he was injured, he's not necessarily guaranteed to get paid. If the injury is one where the team elects to release the player, the teams does not have to play out the rest of the contract (save any guaranteed monies, which most teams are reluctant to give). I may be wrong, but I did watch Arli$$ on HBO a few times.
xtractorAug 11, 2010
contracts in football aren't guaranteed. if you were hurt and couldn't recover, you would be cut. that's why players try to get as much in guaranteed money as possible.
you might be thinking of baseball, where players get paid regardless
menosdabearAug 11, 2010
yea..... but when he doesnt play up to his contract that ask for money back.... so why not ask for more money when he out plays his contract. the "uphold the contract you agreed to" bulls**t doesnt float, cause the team wont continue with the contract they agreed to just as fast if he was playing poorly.
jwcolourAug 11, 2010
Heres the thing... I'm a fins fan... and clearly it benefits my fav team if he isn't on the field. But heres how I feel about it...
Does he deserve a hefty raise? Yes he does, but he wants to be the highest paid CB in the league over Asomugha... thats fine he probably deserves to be the highest paid in the league but not Asomugha money, Asomugha is making an absolutely absurd amount of money, way more than he should be. The Jets should give him a hefty contract, but they'd be insane to pay him more than Asomugha. His contract is absolutely screwing things up. I think he's something like a 15 million dollar cap hit. Holy crap.
guitarist970Aug 11, 2010
Actually the Asougha contract isn't that high. Champ Baily is making $13 mil this year, I would say Asomugha is worth $2 million more than Champ at this point in his career.
smacksawAug 11, 2010
I would say that neither of them are worth that sort of money. It doesn't matter how good a CB is if there's no pass rush, and if you have a pass rush you can get away with lesser CBs.
The Steelers have won two Super Bowls since 2006 with CBs who wouldn't even be starters on most teams. Of course Polamalu makes a difference, but he isn't covering a WR down after down.
Having a premier CB is like having a Ferrari. It's awesome to have, it works great, but it's a luxury. You could buy a Porsche for less money, get more reliability and a similar experience...and have money left over for a nice Mercedes GL for when you need to move some people around in style.
You can have that great CB, but it's less money you can spend at other positions. But it makes the fans happy.
The thing about Asomugha is that it's Davis trying to make up for losing Charles Woodson who was really popular. It's about marketing, not football intelligence on his part.
unradicalAug 11, 2010
I wouldn't mind seeing Marshall face the jets without Revis twice a year.
ocdmedicAug 11, 2010
Good for him. No one bats an eye when players get released from their contracts. That happens way more often than player holdouts. If owners can tear up a contract if a player underperforms then players deserve every right to holdout when they over perform. See: Johnson, Chris.
thejasonresnoAug 11, 2010
If a player gets cut they are still owed their guaranteed money. Fail argument.
ricker2005Aug 11, 2010
With the exception of the largest superstar players, most contracts in the NFL do not have a large percentage of guaranteed money. His argument is perfectly valid.
smacksawAug 11, 2010
That's why teams cut players owed a certain amount of guaranteed money.
The team signed a contract. They should live up to it. They've already underpaid him at his position 14 million for playing football, for f**ks sake. They shouldn't be allowed to cut players with a contract without paying him every penny because it's a contract.
/your logic
rukooAug 11, 2010
I don't think he has 15 million reasons to holdout...the Jets would of gladly gave him a pay increase but they can't agree to a pay. 15 million for a corner-back is kinda ridiculous. Corner-backs are a dime a dozen, don't care if he had a good year.
ralph23Aug 11, 2010
Ah, why does he have to be an assh**e. He's a great player and really helps to round out the Jets as a team.
Too bad I lost respect for him now.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mcnichsAug 11, 2010
23 diggs and on the front page. Come on now.
whoreableAug 11, 2010
Yeah because there is hardly any sports on Digg.
shingoexAug 11, 2010
It's sad when greed is the determining factor of a team's success.
fenririiiAug 11, 2010
LeBron anyone? Anyone?
shingoexAug 11, 2010
Frustration over an unhelpful organization and the desire to win a championship isn't "greed".
trdrstvAug 12, 2010
Worked for the Yankees.
taaybAug 11, 2010
Revis already signed a contract.
Since he doesn't feel inclined to honor his current contract I can only assume that he will take a pay cut if he is ever injured or his performance declined.
Right?
Jets should tell Revis to f**k off. Let him sit the entire year. He is accruing $16,000 in fines per day until he shows up. If he holds out the entire season he'll be looking at $2 million in fines. Jets should hold strong until he walks back in the door ready to play and honor the contract he already signed.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ricker2005Aug 11, 2010
Players who underperform take pay cuts all the time, usually because the team just cuts them and rips up their contract so they don't get paid.
smacksawAug 11, 2010
What's amazing is that Mike Tannenbaum allowed this to go unresolved this long...and he got a 5-year extension to be the GM?
He completely blew this.
At this point, they must trade him. Tannenbaum is right that Revis doesn't deserve Asomugha money. Hell, Nnamdi Asomugha doesn't deserve Nnamdi Asomugha money. No CB deserves that much.
If they capitulate, all of the rest of the Jets players are going to want to be re-done.
If they had done that "Lifetime Jet" deal they talked about, this would not have happened. But you have to think they were probably never serious about doing it and only stringing him along.
The Jets STILL need help at WR, TE and RB. If there's a deal out there to be had for Revis, I say take it. For as much as they need him, the headache of setting a bad precedent is needed even less. And this is an investment in leverage with guys like Nick Mangold. Gonna pop off? We'll ship your ass out.
jabrams2Aug 11, 2010
I have to say, and I'm trying to say this without being TOO insulting, but you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about (seriously, not trying to be a dick, but rather stress how wrong you are)
1) Revis was a pain in the ass and held out as a rookie to get this contract. You're telling me that after holding out to get this contract that he's justified in demanding a new contract with THREE years left? Really? It's not Tannenbaum's fault.
2) He got an extension because he's been nothing short of a genius with drafting and trading, with a few bumps here and there (ie: Gholston). The entire core is built through the draft and a few key signings/trades
3) How the hell can you say the Jets need help at WR. Have you seen their WR depth; Santonio Holmes, Cotchery, Braylon, Coles as the #4. I'm pretty sure that's as deep as any WR core in football
4) TE help? Dustin Keller
5) RB help? Shonne Greene, LT
To sum up, at this point they hold ALL the cards, and if Revis wants to play hardball, the Jets can make him sit on the bench for 3 whole years. That's power.
So if you're going to make statements like that, at least try and back it up with actually knowing what you're talking about.
My rant is over. Sorry to be a dick
igorunchainedAug 11, 2010
3/4 of the Earth is covered by water
the other 1/4 is covered by Revis
Pay the man!
Pay McNeill in San Diego also!
These teams go through so much to draft/farm talent and then they chase off their stars over egos and pissing matches with the front office. Noone goes to a Jets or a Chargers game to watch the Front Office. They go to see the stars do what they do. Pay them. Now.
jeepyAug 11, 2010
I know someone else in the division that wouldn't mind having him and it's not that far of a drive south to New England. What better way to get back at New York than slapping them around in their own division. Wishful thinking on my part though.
Revis put in one of the best performances on defense in the whole league last season so whether or not he deserves the money no one should scoff at him for asking for it. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sonofabeAug 11, 2010
South?? Either I misunderstood you, or you need a new map.
jeepyAug 11, 2010
Yah, geography fail on my part.
innovativeguyAug 11, 2010
I'm a loyal Jets fan and the holder of 4 season tickets. Revis is my favorite player but, at this point I've lost all respect for him. I wish he could put the team before himself....
ricker2005Aug 11, 2010
It's ludicrous to lose respect for a player who wants to get paid in proportion with his skill level as the best cornerback in the league. An enormous percentage of NFL players have held out at one time or another. It's the only option they have with the way the collective bargaining agreement was designed. Have you lost respect for all of those players?
If Revis became terrible overnight, the Jets would cut him or force him to renegotiate his contract to accept less money. It happens all the time in the NFL. So why shouldn't players be able to renegotiate a larger contract when they outperform expectations?
spacemanspiff22Aug 11, 2010
Yeah, but its not like his *only* option is to hold out. He could also make it known that he was unhappy but keep playing. If the Jets still refuse come next year (assuming there is a next year) then he can consider holding out. Its not like he's been a mainstay, household name for years. He really recently emerged as an elite player last year, and immediately demanded more money or he would refuse to show up. The year before last he put up similar stats to Lowery, who is good but not incredible.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
The Jets are stuck on Revis Island
ocdmedicAug 11, 2010
LQTM
vision777Aug 11, 2010
Problem is when players sign as rookies everyone wants them to play and prove themselves first so if someone ends up being one of the best they may be severely underpaid. Football is a violent game and careers can end suddenly at any time so you have to make the money while you can. If he is willing to sit out and not get paid I don't see the problem, if they decide they don't want him to play they also will just not pay him.
bodiezAug 11, 2010
I think holding out is greedy and annoying, but in this case, as a die hard Jets fan, we are possibly hurting our best chances at a ring in over 40 years. If we dont sign revis, Ryan's system of blitzing safeties often is severly hamstrung. Suck it up, pay Revis, and win a ring. They picked up tons of FAs and draft picks to win NOW. Even though i think its childish, we need him. Period.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
puddmasterAug 11, 2010
no, the jets shouldnt cave into revis' demands. they dont need to since they have ALL the leverage here. also...
1) revis held out as a rookie to get his current contract which still has 3 years left.
2) nnamdi and the other elite corners in the league got big pay days after playing out their rookie contracts and becoming unrestricted free agents.
3) the collective bargaining agreement expires after this season. who knows what the salary cap will be when it comes back. if the jets give too much to revis, then they may not be able to resign other players like mangold and harris.
jsharp777Aug 11, 2010
Hope Tomlinson twists his ankle.
shawnrkennedyAug 11, 2010
revis to ravens. done deal
hiltonizerAug 11, 2010
I don't pretend to be an expert on NFL contracts... and don't really give a s**t... I just want my team to overcome and succeed.
As a hard core Patriots fan, I acknowledge he is THE key threat to us in the division... he's demonstrated his ability to cripple our passing game. I would think the Jets would be wise to compensate him appropriately if they want a division title.
netantAug 11, 2010
Sorry to rain on your parade, Pats fan, but there were a TON of Revis's on other teams that shutdown your passing game. If you want to blame the Pats decline on something, try the NFL draft. The Pats are a little too old, their glory days players are not there anymore, and they have a lot of hard decisions to make for the future. Good luck doing that without Pioli. :)
gokingsAug 11, 2010
He had one amazing season and wants Asomugha money. Asomugha had to play a few seasons at a very high level to get that contract. Also, that contract is ABSURD. It's why the whole league was furious when the Raiders gave him that kind of money. Play one or two more seasons for 6-7 million each, and then re-visit the contract.
Also, the fact that he pulled that stunt at practice where he started hobbling around, went to the sidelines, and then after said to the reporters "I just wanted to show them I could play, or not play." What a POS.
threegroupAug 11, 2010
Completely agree with the author. Revis is one of those rare players who isn't only absolutely elite, but has a consistent 6th sense for the game that allows him to single-handedly change a game. There are only a few active players like this in any sport -- think Peyton Manning or Troy Polamalu, or in the NHL, Sidney Crosby or Alexander Ovechkin.
These guys are the kind of players that change a team, make games infinitely more exciting to watch -- and they deserve to be paid better than anyone else for it.
netantAug 11, 2010
"If the top cornerback makes $15.1 million and your guy is better, you have to pay him $15.2 million. "
The biggest idiot writing today.
1) Jets management HAVE to do nothing.
2) It would make sense to pay Revis 15 mil IF he can get 15 mil jumping ship to another team. Asomugha is overpaid by a franchise known for its fiscal stupidity. On the other hand, "The league's highest paid cornerback was the Colts' Kelvin Hayden who took home $17,480,000." Even if those two salaries were anomalies, it still boils down to "will another team pay more?".
3) Revis does have concerns on his end. Say he sits the entire year, and then the NFL goes on strike next year. Its not likely he would be able to demand the same salary.
4) As a Jet fan, it doesn't please me to think if we lost Revis, that we couldn't make it to the Superbowl. It would please me a lot less, if the team didn't get to the Superbowl because they couldn't afford to pay a Nick Mangold or other star, because Revis killed the cap and screwed up the salary structure.
5) The ACTUAL contract has a lot of esoteric crap going on anyway. Its more about GUARANTEED money, than the actual amount. If you go with a four year contract, you can't GUARANTEE to pay the whole thing if Revis goes flat in 2010.
6) Everyone agrees that Revis should be making more than 6 mil/year. The Jets would make Revis the highest paid CB if the contract is good only for 1 year. Revis & his agent is obviously angling for a high paying, long term lock-in, before the collective bargaining agreement expires at then end of this season. I just hope Revis isn't an egotistic headcase and his agent is stupid greedy.
ewingo401Aug 11, 2010
I really hope there is some language in the next CBA to reduce the number of these hold outs. I don't have a solution to offer, but I'm sure there is one to be found.
amnesianAug 11, 2010
Well, let's not worry about what the worst team in the NFL is paying their players. You want the $$$? Go to the Raiders. You want to win? Sacrifice a few million.