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rufiohoOct 30, 2010
What the crap, a 24 hour take home exam? Is that even legal? I don't blame them for using drugs, 24 hours is insane.
randomfaceOct 30, 2010
That means they have 24 hours to do the exam. It most likely wasn't insanely long or even insanely difficult.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
He must be a recent product of the US public school system where kids aren't really expected to apply themselves much or even be challenged.
randomfaceOct 30, 2010
That means they have 24 hours to do the exam. It most likely wasn't insanely long or even insanely difficult.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
He must be a recent product of the US public school system where kids aren't really expected to apply themselves much or even be challenged.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
Not really. You have a WHOLE day to complete the exam. Seems like cake to me since all my college exams were in class and had to be completed by end of class.
enantiodromiaNov 2, 2010
norman619, you went to art school. don't try and come off like some university grad student, lol.
enantiodromiaNov 3, 2010
while you were cleaning paint brushes, other people were going to real school to learn real things. :(
absolutelytrueOct 30, 2010
Bradley sounds like a crybaby who should mind his own business.
badqatOct 30, 2010Submitter
We're being programmed to report on our neighbors. They even show commercials about ratting out your neighbors over drugs locally.
Nothing like seeing billboards on Meth everyday, though.
Yes, we have those as well.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
No we are being programmed to hand over our freedom to decide for ourselves what we do with our bodies to the state. If I want to take drugs that should be just fine. I should also be expected to suffer the consequences if I become irresponsible just as we do with drunk drivers and so on.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
No we are being programmed to hand over our freedom to decide for ourselves what we do with our bodies to the state. If I want to take drugs that should be just fine. I should also be expected to suffer the consequences if I become irresponsible just as we do with drunk drivers and so on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountOct 30, 2010
At least they are trying to focus on the exams. Taking drugs just to focus on exams in not a crime.
badqatOct 30, 2010Submitter
So performance enhancing is good for intellectual activities, but not so good for sports?
We'll continue to attempt to "enhance" everything about being human as we strive to self-evolve quickly. We've not even scratched the surface, either.
norman619Oct 30, 2010
First, diggkrazy didn't even mention sport. Didn't even HINT at sports.
Second, cheating in academics is NOT taking drugs. It's copying the work of others and/or trying to pass someone esle's work off as your own. ALL the work these students turned in is their own work. No cheating occurred. College students have taken drugs to focus and stay awake for marathon study sessions for a VERY LONG time. You may not be aware of this because it would require you to have actually set foot in a college and actually studied in one.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
badqatOct 30, 2010Submitter
> First, diggkrazy didn't even mention sport. Didn't even HINT at sports.
Indeed. I'm horrible for trying to broaden the conversation. I should have made a comment like "Agreed!"
> Second, cheating in academics is NOT taking drugs. It's copying the work of others and/or trying to pass someone esle's work off as your own. ALL the work these students turned in is their own work. No cheating occurred. College students have taken drugs to focus and stay awake for marathon study sessions for a VERY LONG time. You may not be aware of this because it would require you to have actually set foot in a college and actually studied in one.
Did I mention cheating? Weren't my words "performance enhancing"? Why are you mentioning something I didn't even address? Isn't that bad? I mean, you're attempting to expand the conversation, and I could have sworn that was forbidden.
I don't believe this to be "cheating". I found the story interesting, and thought it might bring some much needed community-fueled discussion.
And no, I've never set foot in a college. Not even when I'm teaching at one.
agmlauncherOct 30, 2010
"So performance enhancing is good for intellectual activities, but not so good for sports?"
Learning isn't a flipping competition.....
norman619Oct 30, 2010
Nor is it cheating of any sort.
v1rukOct 30, 2010
Unfortunately it is giving them a superhuman advantage, similar to steroids in sports.
A human taking ritalin will have more focus, with side effects of insomnia, and decreased appetite... it's the perfect student drug.
Another student competing against this "super human" will just simply not be able to measure up to the chemically enhanced student.
Right now, if you want to be at the top of your class, you better believe you're taking ritalin, or adderal, or some good old fashioned speed if you can get it, and get ready to play in the majors.
linageeOct 31, 2010
Sports are stupid and have no end purpose. The end purpose of school is to use that knowledge to get a high paying job to apply it towards. If they can keep up the act indefinitely throughout school and work, why would this be any different than a handicap person using a crutch to help them walk?
norman619Oct 31, 2010
Comparing sports to college is like comparing a Formula 1 race car to your everyday driver. One is mean to to compete with others the other is meant to just get you where you want to be in life.
norman619Oct 31, 2010
v1ruk:
Are you stupid? In college you aren't competing with anyone. You are there to learn, get your degree, then graduate so you can start paying off the huge debt. You seem to equate college to some competitive sport which is asinine.
v1rukNov 2, 2010
Are YOU stupid? Firstly your ad hominem attack is tired and useless.
Secondly, every class competes as the top students at the end are offered better jobs.
In a law class all the students are competing, because at the end there's a firm standing with a huge salary for the top few students.
I'm guessing you didn't know this as you gave up all hope of competing against your peers a long time ago.
wesishereOct 31, 2010
v1ruk:
I would disagree that said drugs are providing students with a "superhuman advantage". They are stimulated, yes. But I don't think their potential is actually increased. Whereas Steroids are actually increasing the abilities of athletes, I think study drugs are just allowing students to maximize their own potential. They're more focused, they're not smarter.
Also, the concept of a using a stimulant as a study aid is nothing new. Just look at the number of coffee shops on college campuses. Should colleges consider people with Starbucks and No-Doz cheaters too?
v1rukNov 2, 2010
You don't think so, but doctors do say this causes a real increase to a persons IQ and mental capacity, not just their focus, so your opinion doesn't matter, facts do.
So yes a student on ritalin is smarter than they were before, and that is a superhuman advantage, as I can not just simply make myself smarter without ritalin, that I may not have access to in the same way another student does.
Starbucks and ritalin are not comparable. You're thinking about the large number of speed using students, and yes, they made speed illegal.
tbhurstOct 30, 2010
Narc!
randomfaceOct 30, 2010
I am narcoleptic and take varying amounts of prescription drugs like Provigil and Ritalin. If I constantly take them as prescribed, they quickly lose effectiveness. When I have important exams, I take more of them, approaching or even slightly exceeding the prescribed dose, because otherwise every 2 or 3 hours I will end up taking a nap for 15 to 60 minutes. Would that fall under the umbrella of actions he has a problem with?
norman619Oct 31, 2010
YUP!
norman619Oct 30, 2010
"They took the medication, Spahn said, because they believed the pills would help them focus on the exam. "It seemed pretty obvious that taking drugs illegally to help you do better on an exam is cheating," said Spahn, now a senior. "I think it is just as serious as plagiarism.""
LOL!!! Wow cheating USED to mean you copied from someone else or took someone else's work and tried to pass it off as your own. This s**t isn't cheating. WTF is up with this bulls**t?
goatworshipOct 30, 2010
Those things aren't cheating any more, they're teamwork. Performance enhancing drugs are cheating.
norman619Oct 31, 2010
LOL!!!
DimeaglassOct 30, 2010
Forget the cheating ... what about their health and the dangers of addiction???
norman619Oct 30, 2010
It's called personal choice and personal accountability. I know this seems to be an old fashioned and out dated concept in this day of coddling and political correctness crap. They made the choice to use drugs freely. This may be a shocker to you but not everyone who takes drugs like this becomes an addict.
anticircleOct 30, 2010
so does this mean that anyone who comes to class with a coffee is cheating? They stimulates the brain in much the same way that these other drugs do, so is it only cheating when the drugs are deemed illegal by a bunch of old white guys? I always thought cheating was a moral issue, not a political one....
linageeOct 31, 2010
If a worker is allowed to drink coffee, why should a student not be allowed to drink coffee? Aren't we trying to prepare these young people for the work place, or is there some ulterior motive for going to school?
wesishereOct 31, 2010
A stimulated worker is a productive worker! Humans are inherently lazy and therefore we must utilize artificial stimulation at times to create a sense of urgency. In this day and age, we can't rely on the adrenaline from surviving day to do to keep us going.
linageeNov 1, 2010
wesishere: If you were an assembly line worker, you might NOT appreciate your boss forcing you to drink coffee to work faster and pay at the same rate. However, if you are self employed, drinking coffee would make you faster and directly give you more profitability.
addiktionOct 31, 2010
Well lets make everything cheating then... You are cheating because you can read or write faster then me. You are cheating because you were born with great genes that help you remember better then me or you have a photographic memory. You are cheating because you eat healthier then me and so your brain works more effectively. You are cheating because you actually love learning. You are cheating because you have more money for better study materials then me.
This kid is whiner and needs to stop complaining about others and worry about his own situation. Of course these kids are stupid if they get addicted to the drugs just trying to pass college tests as well.
d0gp00p_Oct 31, 2010
Here is an idea. Maybe if you did not put so much pressure on kids and have them do a 24 hour exam then they just might not need to take drugs to take on them.
This is not the navy SEALS. This is college. The coursework and classes are enough. The more stress you put on someone to achieve the more they are going to find something to help them so they are not viewed as a failure.
linageeOct 31, 2010
Medicine aims to help people return to a "norm" of society. If the norm becomes super fast thinking and super efficient long term memory, maybe lots of people will need these drugs to keep up.
GATTACA!
e1samanOct 31, 2010
the thing is that they should care more about how creative the students are nad not on how much they can memorize in 24 hours....
porthaenNov 1, 2010
this seems pretty narrow-minded arguement against drugs...
menosdabearNov 1, 2010
wow, what a tool
twyla2008Nov 12, 2010
This is a serious problem in some universities.