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susan56Dec 4, 2010
32,000 suicides a year...this just boggles the mind.
bobosmitorDec 4, 2010
And "20 percent of those suicides are veterans". That is awful. War is too hard on the human mind.
diggduggjoeDec 4, 2010
Then we need smaller government. A state powerful enough to offer handouts to everyone and corporations, too, is powerful enough to wage war.
We need to kill the Fed, too. If we had to pay for these wars upfront with immediate tax increases the public would be far less tolerate of them.
Just on the humanitarian front we should avoid every war we can. War only destroys people and progress.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diggduggjoeDec 5, 2010
I am not too surprised at the result on that comment. I guess liberals need an overpowering government to tell their neighbors how to live so bad that they will accept a lot of war.
Big Government, Big Brother and Big War. They all go together.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
It is liberals who are most likely to be against the
war; conservatives who are most likely to favor
it.
Liberals do not need a Big Government;
nor a Big Business to sell us a Big War.
You knew that; you just hoped no one
cared enough to say it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diggduggjoeDec 5, 2010
You are full of it. How can Cap and Trade not require a big government? How can all the entitlement programs not require a huge government? You do not get it. Big Business does not sell you the war. Big Business is working with Big Government to be Big Brother to us all. War is just a distraction or a method to consolidate wealth.
I am a libertarian and want a small government to stop the wars and the intrusion into our private lives.
You cannot see that the same big government that doles out favors or makes your neighbor as green as you is the same big government waging war. In a libertarian government, so little would be done that we as a people would have very little to be political about in the first place. We could live our lives in peace.
We would have few wars for we would need to be upfront on both the purpose and how to pay for it without a credit card. In that environment most wars would be avoided.
We would have great prosperity for the corporate elite would not be able to hold off competition through government regulation. The free market would be free to offer its benefits, from inexpensive health options to green energy.
Many Dems voted to go into Iraq. My view is they should have used the Constitution and declared war formally. Most did not have the balls to do that, on either side of the aisle, they choose instead to support the president in whatever decision he made.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
Yawn.
You have no single country
that you can say follows your
libertarianism, and is a place of freedom
and prosperity.
None.
Not. One.
The U.S.; Europe; Canada and Australia,
and all the successful asian democracies,
- have strong central governments that
dare to regulate businesses as though
a corporation was less than a man.
Any country following your model?
- is some hell-hole where workers are
chained to their factory bench.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
It is only snake oil salesmen who offer their
product, as a cure for any and all ills.
Go find us a 21st century democracy
that is prosperous and free
with a tiny central government;
- then come back and tell us about it.
This is about something real.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diggduggjoeDec 5, 2010
Limited government never lasts for people want to tinker. People must learn that they may tinker with their own lives, not their neighbors.
Show me a 21st century socialist utopia that isn't broke. Show me a big government society that has true personal liberty.
The only reality of current system is that it is unsustainable. We can not ignore the unfunded liabilities.
We cannot ignore the president's deficit committee suggesting hard caps on care for Medicare/Medicaid. At least they are honest, but it is very telling that they admit more than most liberals that the gravy train is running out of steam.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
I have no utopias to show;
as I flat disbelieve in the things.
I merely show, what we all know;
that every country in the world worth living in,
every single frickin first world industrial democracy,
- has a strong central government.
You?
- have the libertarian utopia of somalia.
rethreadDec 5, 2010
Here into the depths of this thread have I followed crymtyphon. If someone is looking for the real gravy train, one should look to the longest war on record. The one Bush began and Obama will hopefully end.
But honestly, I followed you down here for your attitude. I like it, and I just think you need more stalkers.
diggduggjoeDec 6, 2010
Somalia is not a true libertarian society. Most libertarians understand you need a legal system to solve civil disputes without violence. You need disciplined citizens in a libertarian society.
To paraphrase Franklin, irresponsible people need rulers. The biggest reason there are few good examples of libertarianism is most people do not want to take responsibility over their lives. When something goes wrong is it somebody else's fault and they want government to set it right. The most libertarian society was the US very early on. However, people are imperfect and eventually destroyed it.
Libertarianism is about freedom and the prosperity and peace that comes from it. Like many on this thread you are unwilling to admit the big government you love is part of the problem.
crymtyphonDec 7, 2010
When the soviet union collapsed after
long competition with liberal democracies,
- it got god-awful dull listening to
socialists insist that 'true socialism'
had yet to be practicied.
You claim the countries that
have no EPA or OSHA or SEC or FDA
or IRS or FTC or ATF
are not examples of libertarianism;
- because they don't work.
We say they don't work, because
they are too libertarian.
If you wish to prove us wrong?
- don't give us the damn theory again.
Tell us where it worked.
Until then?
- liberal policies are the only ones
proven in the fire.
hchargerDec 4, 2010
The human mind was not created for war. The evil of war especially today is under the influence of individuals greedy for wealth and power.
Unfortunately, this system is all geared for warfare in which the economies of some countries are indirectly supported by human conflict.
SatansAdvocateDec 4, 2010
what are you talking about? the human mind not created for war? the human mind, with its animal instincts, is the reason we have war. humans have been at war/conflict since before the dawn of homo sapiens. i'd say we're very much suited for it by now.
hchargerDec 5, 2010
Hate to burst your sensitive bubble, but the human mind was created to love, cherish and to show compassion for his fellow man. Unfortunately evil and sin entered into the domain of man and eventually formed its way throughout the centuries into governments and power hungry individuals who have obtained that power without conscience.
Sadly, greed and money have also influence others to support such corrupt forces. With that power becoming uncontrollable it lead to wars and many other atrosities against the human family. These power hungry leaders are very few comparable to the population of the earth, but they control the majority under the vision of fear and dominance.
Capitalistic countries are not immune to this influence.
immunofortDec 5, 2010
Do you think a child which grows up in the jungle by itself with no other human contact will suddenly show love and compassion for the first human that it comes across? Probably not, More likely the child will just run away scared because there is pretty much only one goal that our animal instincts have and that is to survive.
hchargerDec 5, 2010
immunofort...a child on his own in the jungle and surviving is so remote, its probably not even worth mentioning, but to answer your question, it would definitely depend on the circumstances that would arise on the time there was contact between both parties.
Seeing another human being besides himself would strike up curiousity more than anything, unless he was provoked.
Animal survival instincts are not built into humans, survival must be learned by practical experience. In other words, if the child was to fend for itself during infancy it would most likely perish.
rethreadDec 5, 2010
Fight or Flight. Psyche 101.
Just sayin:
Food Shelter Clothing.
Primal instincts for survival. Basics, know them.
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
dont think about it
TeethpickDec 4, 2010
I told my wife its a good thing she decided to be an optometrist instead of becoming a vet.
chilidogsDec 4, 2010
Are you serious or was that a joke?
rethreadDec 5, 2010
I would call it good advice.
godmodeDec 4, 2010
For some reason I thought it said female veterinarians...
tastemyrainbowDec 4, 2010
so did i. until i read the intro paragraph.
protodonDec 5, 2010
i thought the and the sad part is most female veterinarians I've had for my pets, have been so jaded I can see them committing suicide.
rhumu17Dec 5, 2010
that's what i thought too.
demdudeDec 5, 2010
Wouldn't even be that far off either, veterinarians, especially female ones, have a very high suicide rates. They become veterinarians so they can save little critters but they end up having to put half the animals down, that's pretty hard on the mind...
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
It dont?... so
Odoi12chrisDec 4, 2010
Well really is not a surprise everyone is liable and so i think it is not all that strange but think its a right step to know and to find a solution.
sniffspamDec 4, 2010
You think id10t's like this are a big part of the problem?
http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2010/12/testimony-senior-chief-used-pepper-spray-cuffs-stapler-abuse
rethreadDec 4, 2010
Had to check, yep, East Coast. All prim and proper like Catholics hiding all the dirty little secrets. From what I saw while deployed on the West coast - he would likely have been fed the stapler in short order regardless of rank. You might call it the rougher side of town, militarily. At least for the Navy.
macliberalDec 4, 2010
This is not surprising, ask any female vet and they will tell you the same story. The good old boys club in the military will force women into the worst jobs while down grading them. Any woman who joins the military will experience the worst of a institutional sexism. I feel sorry for any woman who feels she has to lower herself to sign up.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
It is not lowering to sign up.
Signing up? - is a proud thing.
It is lowering for soldiers to accept the abuse.
It is lowering for civilians to accept it and suggest
that women should stay out.
banderwockyDec 4, 2010
Probably from being raped by their fellow soldiers.
bosskeyDec 4, 2010
So, suicide kills thousands more Americans than terrorism every year, but there are still people who believe it's more important to have intrusive TSA checkpoints rather than directing that money to something that would save more lives like suicide prevention...
nerdsturmDec 4, 2010
For someone who isn't going to kill them self that makes perfect sense. You get to make the decision to commit suicide, so you don't have to worry about it happening to you even if it statistically kills a higher percentage of the population.
datoedakariDec 5, 2010
Because suicide only affects one person, right?
philbertDec 4, 2010
I read the title and thought it meant veterinarians at first.
miklkitDec 5, 2010
War is hell, and it is a fact that returning veterans are traumatized by it. Some more than others. Taking care of veterans after they get out should be part of the military budget.
crymtyphonDec 5, 2010
I feel like rumsfeld's new army was almost a temp-worker force;
meant to be quickly trained, deployed and then disposed.
We have obligations to veterans.
To keep them out of wars they can not question;
to provide jobs when they return;
- and support a system that helps to keep them sane.
All else, is empty flag waving in front of a memorial.
redfox2600Dec 5, 2010
The awful part is that these women are getting raped WHILE serving. Which is adding more to the PSTD. The sick bastards who would rape a fellow solder needs to be taken outback and used for target practice.
deminerDec 5, 2010
i thought it meant veterinarians, what a waste of life they are, i'd want to shoot myself if i shot a bunch of kids for oil too
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
yeah u suck
deminerDec 5, 2010
so most suicides are old people, after you turn 80 (in the USA) suicide rate almost doubles,
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
I might kick the bucket at 60..old age sucks , i aint into it ..
rethreadDec 5, 2010
Moxnews:
Unfair and Biased. (end of video)
Give me uncut, uncensored, and if you can't - give me wikileaks.
"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."
- Thomas Jefferson
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
he really said that? I bet he was hittin the herb at the time..
zotoms1Dec 5, 2010
Stop the war, it makes no sense. Now you wonder why we have so many crazed people in society
hchargerDec 6, 2010
Not just this war, but all wars. Crazed people is a good description of many people today, yet unfortunately its not all wars doing damage. Drugs, stress and economic uncertainty all plays a role in society today.
Human dignity and family values have all gone out the window decades ago, and here again, unfortunately for society trying to improve its lot in life, those moral and family values is what keeps a powerful nation together, yet, left unchecked, can destroy at will.
rabbitsinblackDec 6, 2010
Okay whats NEW. This is so obvious that all Vets are f**ked up and suicide for any Vet is higher than the average person.
misslindadeeDec 7, 2010
f**k WAR!!
There HAS to be a more intelligent solution.
I am praying WikiLeaks will intimidate the "powers that be" into a more "accountable" posture.
jaxxbatDec 10, 2010
yeah that should do it