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lump1May 18, 2011
Well, we're run by lawyers and bankers, so I don't see what could possibly go wrong.
amyndrisMay 18, 2011
Professional liars versus professional truth seekers!
pdemmertMay 18, 2011
Then let us settle this like real men of science; with a game of DEATHBALL!
intrepiddesignMay 18, 2011
Don't forget the occasional religious loon job who wants to force superstitious creationism garbage in public schools, and who values invisible, vindictive, sky bound father figures over science.
berkanaMay 18, 2011
Meanwhile, we have climate change deniers determining our environmental policy and creationists on science review boards. Are we at the dusk of our civilization?
pandaxrageMay 18, 2011
Religion*
That's what's brining us down, how do you expect kids to learn science when the teachers teaching it to them don't BELIEVE in science.
cdw070May 18, 2011
If China has all these scientists, how come they won't get behind any the United States or United Nations proposed solutions to help combat global warming?
For being in the majority, they must not be very good scientists....either that or they don't believe in man-made global warming.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
berkanaMay 18, 2011
On another note, one should not confuse "scientist" with "engineer".
The article goes on to say:
"The U.S. has the greatest academic institutions in the world, but our children are finding it increasingly more difficult to enter their hallowed halls–or at least their science departments."
Those among our children who do enter these institutions are increasingly Asian. I forget the percentages, but many of the top academic institutions are overwhelmingly Asian, at least the ones that do not have policies that limit admission of over-represented groups.
neuro421May 18, 2011
I'll agree to that. I'm Chinese-American and studying for my PhD in biomedical sciences. I learned to speak Chinese properly in the last six years because pretty much 75% of my program is populated by Chinese graduate students and post-docs. I almost never speak English in lab. Oh yeah, and unlike from the previous decade, many Chinese students are seriously considering returning to China, myself included.
blackoculusMay 18, 2011
Have fun in China... I look forward to your censored digg posts.
neuro421May 18, 2011
You too! Have fun watching the end of your civilization; empty supermarkets, fighting with the starving idiot swarms for scraps, hunting rats for meat, cannibalizing your own children out of desperation, nursing that bullet wound in your gut from fending off home invaders, the emergence of the US police state, FEMA camps, watching your loved ones die from disease, famine, crime, and exposure, the utter erosion and ultimate collapse of your faith in your country which is your false god, and saying goodbye to your last shreds of sanity as you look into the deep dark abyss of your non-existent future. Enjoy!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
briancawMay 18, 2011
lighten up francis
xpsiterMay 18, 2011
Dugg for Stripes reference.
pandaxrageMay 18, 2011
You do realize China is a police state that oppresses it's citizens right?
Just saying, if you do move back to China, you might want to refrain from saying something bad about the People's Republic or you might find yourself dead.
That's real talk you nationalist idiot.
neuro421May 18, 2011
Yes moron, I do realize China is a police state. And I do not plan to make any negative statements about China if I were to relocate there, as I would not need to. You sound like you have no idea what goes on in China, except what you've been taught by the western propaganda machine. You fail to see that China is the the lesser of two evils at this moment in history. The Chinese understand the limits of their freedom, but most educated folks accept these things, and go on to work hard and prosper. The average American is oppressed and kept ignorant, but they think they are free, when in fact they are becoming slaves. The Chinese are restricted, but they can at least disagree with their system in their minds. In contrast, many Americans cannot even face the possibility that they are brainwashed swarms of idiots getting hustled by their own leaders, each worse than the one before, while eagerly congratulating themselves on how great being an American is; that degree of ambivalence and ignorance to the truth will be punished. I may be a nationalist to some degree, but at least I'm not ignorant. THAT'S real talk, you moron dips**t.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
He said he's considering going back so he can't say anything bad about them lest he get an unexpected greeting upon arriving.
Schweppesale2May 18, 2011
It's cool though - because "in his mind" he can disagree.
lol
mcottierMay 19, 2011
@neuro421 haha you said "I do not plan to make any negative statements about China if I were to relocate there, as I would not need to".
just because right now you don't have anything negative to say, doesn't mean the Chinese government won't step out of line in the future, and give you something negative to say. you are seriously an ignorant person.
also you clearly just hate America and WANT us to collapse. which really ends up working to our benefit since you are underestimating us.
and finally this makes me laugh the most "The Chinese are restricted, but they can at least disagree with their system in their minds". are you serious about this?
for one, we CAN disagree in our minds, anyone can in any country you idiot. secondly have fun with that, because can disagree in our minds AND with our mouths :)
cmotdibblerMay 18, 2011
Yeah... but we'll have Jebus.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
I dont think you really thought about what you are saying neuro. The nature of the US people and government is organic, and ever evolving to meet whatever challenges lay ahead.
In your defense, China's govt works to better the lives of its citizens, something you cant say about other similar governments (N Korea for example). They have certain rules they stick to, some that we feel infringe on human rights. But they believe they are looking out for the interest of the people by ensuring their government remains in power. To ensure their government stays in power they have to limit movements against it.
Remember before PRC much of China was controlled by warlords and that led to a broken country that easily fell victim to imperial Japan. Their govts #1 goal is prob to ensure that China is never in that s**tty position again.
p3ngwinMay 18, 2011
"...and ever evolving to meet whatever challenges lay ahead."
the last few decades have been the USA electing retards for Presidents, getting $12 Trillion in debt, becoming ever dependent on foreign oil such it goes to war THREE TIMES, the financial system collapsed requiring multiple bailouts, the motor companies collapsed requiring government buyouts and bailouts.....
is this what you mean by "evolving to meet challenges" ?
if you mean basic evolution to mean "change over time" then yes, the USA has turned into a weakened nation that only improved when they elected a decent President in Obama.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
p3ng: Has the US faced an oil crisis since the 70's? NO. (If you call higher prices today a "crisis" then you've lost perspective.) Did the US win the cold war? Yes. Has the US fallen victim to a major terrorist attack since 9/11? No. Is the Taliban still running Afghanistan? No. Is Saddam still running Iraq? No. Is Bin Laden even still alive? No. Is the US economy recovering despite near-destruction of its entire financial system? Yes. Have we heard of the dangers of other rising economies overtaking the US in the past? Yes. Have any of those fears ever come to be? NO. Is the US stealing technology from China? No. Is China stealing technology from the US? Yes yes yes.
So you f**king tell me if the US has met the challenges put before it or not.
neuro421May 18, 2011
The nature of the US government ceased to be organic and evolving, when they lost their mind 100 years ago. The fallacy of the religion of American Exceptionalism is that you really think you are free. Nobody is free, not the Chinese, not the Americans. The difference is that the Chinese are capable of accepting this, and can still turn their own country from a backwater into a superpower in 30 years. China has a 5000 year history, and though suffering many setbacks during those times, is still going strong today. We have an authoritarian system, but we are not controlled by Zionist propagandists, western banking cartels, multinational corporations, oil barons, the IMF, or the Federal Reserve. These powers rob you blind, make you morally destitute, but still manage to convince you of your own self-righteousness.
In contrast, this is your brainwashed country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8lWhyomYH8Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neuro421May 18, 2011
Also, if you want to blame China for stealing technologies, just consider that to be 600+ years of interest paid for the borrowing of our gunpowder, burning down our summer palace, and stealing thousands of tons of gold.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
Neuro, you accuse us of getting behind American propaganda over China, but it sounds as if you are just regurgitating the propaganda China has been spreading about the US for decades.
The truth is Americans enjoy far more freedom than the Chinese. You can say that this freedom is in our heads and that Chinese are free to express themselves "in their minds". But this just talk out of your ass. Eventually as the younger generation replaces the old in power China will likely move towards a democratic system.
Oh and if you dont think Chinese corporations are influencing Chinese lawmakers then enjoy the bliss. In fact, I would bet that the Chinese government is more easily manipulated by domestic corporations than the US govt.
neuro421May 18, 2011
This whole flaming session began when I agreed about how true it is that research in the US is dominated by minorities. The original reply I received was offensive because it reflects the inherent sense of (unjustified) superiority that Americans feel compared to everyone else in the world. The Chinese have plenty of accomplishments of their own to boast about throughout their history, some of which I outlines in some of my replies. Yet in spite of these facts, most Chinese people are also their own biggest critics. Most Chinese also respect American culture for it's positive aspects. What I am angry about is this, that all my life in America I have been preached to about America's uniqueness, when I can see with my own eyes that Americans are NOT more unique, more qualified, or more deserving of prosperity and success than any other nation that ever existed on the Earth. Americans will blame their politicians, blame their culture, even admit that American culture can be aggressive, belligerent, and ignorant. Yet this does not stop Americans from crying the universal American mantra, "Well, we have freedom, we're better than YOU" anytime another nation and its peoples receive some glory. This is especially infuriating since a lot of these legal freedoms are superficial or illusory. If you want to know why the rest of the world hates America, this is it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
liv2chillMay 18, 2011
you would be in jail for that comment in china
neuro421May 18, 2011
Do you think the Chinese leaders are so worried about what people say? I have no political credibility. Therefore I am not a target. What you don't understand about ideological subversion is that those people who are arrested as political dissidents in China have a significant influence on a certain following of people. Usually, those who are funding those people to "have a voice" are the same western multinational interests and globalists that are trying to subvert the thinking of the Chinese masses and turn them against their own government. This is just a form of espionage. Meanwhile, I have no following in China. So I am a zero-value target.
liv2chillMay 18, 2011
neuro 420- you have a lot of bitterness built into your comments. I'm guessing you were top of your class in china then came to america and realized you weren't top s**t anymore. Yeah we have our media and our government trying to feed us all kinds of s**t to catch us off track, but you can still truly do whatever the hell you want in this country. That is something that just isn't possible in China.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
They probably wouldnt be too worried, but I bet you won't chance it when you are there.
neuro421May 18, 2011
@liv2chill
I grew up here listening to Americans brag about their country, being taught in public school history and social studies classes about how special and amazing we are. Has it ever occurred to anyone that we shouldn't just be "allowed to do whatever the the hell you want" in America? Has it ever occurred to you that the way we are taught to behave puts this country on a path to destruction? I'm not bitter because I had some sort of rank that I lost coming here. I'm angry that Americans think so highly of themselves, when humility is probably the only thing that can save this country from going the way of Rome.
@ieatskunk
I have chanced it over there. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenyang, Changchun, Nanjing, Zhengzhou, Shenzhen, Hong Kong... open conversations about society and politics are not monitored by the police. If they were, every cab driver in China would be in jail. I met with the mayor of my ancestral city last time I was there and we openly discussed such issues over dinner and wine. The Chinese government censors and police monitor and capture leaders of subversive movements that use religion, art, literature, and politics to undermine government authority - to get people riled up so that they rebel. More often than not these leaders receive funding from western multinational corporations, and government institutions like the CIA. These people are politically motivated to see a politically weak China that has to submit to the West. Do not think the US is not just as paranoid about subversion. The U.S. is short on employment and has a faltering economy, yet there are thousands of Chinese entrepreneurs who hold vast sums of US dollars, but are not being allowed to invest here in the US, which would otherwise create millions of American jobs. Ask yourself why that is? Are Americans just inherently racist, and unwilling to work for Chinese employers?
liv2chillMay 18, 2011
we just dont feel like working in a kung pao chicken factory.
intrepiddesignMay 18, 2011
"Do you think the Chinese leaders are so worried about what people say?"
why dont you ask Liu Xiaobo that mr smarty pants?
greedonvrfiredMay 18, 2011
Tell Ai Weiwei I said hi....Oh wait.
Closed AccountMay 18, 2011
While he's at it he can say hello to Panchen Lama too!
rexfelislocMay 18, 2011
Excellent. You guys talk on your phones too much in the lab, we don't need you.
neuro421May 18, 2011
You also don't need to be a cutting edge leader in anything anymore.
rexfelislocMay 18, 2011
Don't need to, but I will. Thanks.
Closed AccountMay 18, 2011
You can stop calling yourself a "chinese-American" anytime now.
elranzerMay 18, 2011
Please, return to China now. Before you finish your American-gained PhD. You don't deserve it, and neither do the Chinese nationals.
China is so wonderful so go obtain your PhD there.
neuro421May 18, 2011
LOL... WHY DON'T YOU MAKE ME LEAVE you brainwashed idiot?
We deserve our degrees because we put the effort in to earning these degrees, not because we pander to the mindless patriotic nonsense of American nationalists. Is it any wonder, 50% of US graduate students in sciences are foreign, and are PREFERRED by white american employers over their white counterparts? In the end, who benefits from the underpaid labor of minority research? Americans do. So we do deserve our degrees. And yes I have a US Passport, and I'd like to see you try and take it from me, assh**e.
Schweppesale2May 18, 2011
We don't do that here because we're American.
After reading all these comments it seems that your greatest defense of the Chinese government's crackdown on political dissidents is that they only target those with "influence" who are capable of swaying the views of the people.
Those who are "deemed a threat". You're a nobody; therefore you can say whatever you want.
--
Is that really satisfactory to you? To be living in a country of nobodies?
Here in the US you're free to express your opinion despite how stupid/illogical it may sound.
The GOAL however is to provide a equal forum where all ideas are expressed and through painstaking debate the most beneficial conclusion can be reached(eventually).
You claim to be an engineer here in the States yet you seem to lack the critical thinking skills and foresight necessary to see how inheritely dangerous this can be in the long run.
neuro421May 19, 2011
Without flaming, let's discuss this rationally then. I propose to you that it equally dangerous to live in a country where everybody claims that their individual perspectives are important and should be given equal ground. Sometimes while it may be personally gratifying to be acknowledged for unique ideas (I'm not going to call all American ideas stupid or illogical), what I see in American society is an inability to come to any sort of consensus at all. The inevitable conclusion is that there is no such thing as "common sense" anymore to the detriment of society. Listen to what you are saying, "all ideas are expressed and through painstaking debate [until] the most beneficial conclusion can be reached (eventually)". Name ONE single social issue where this sort of debate has lead to greater unity in this country. Will "eventually" ever arrive? Or are you simply applying blind faith in this system because it is merely the source of your identity, your confidence, and your self-worth?
neuro421May 19, 2011
Have you ever heard the expression "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free"? I'll tell you, in China while people's political rights are limited, they have a much better environment for doing business, and they are allowed to keep their earnings. Here, you have one vote with which you are usually asked to choose between two equally unattractive candidates. Everything you earn is taxed exorbitantly. You can't hope to save up enough cash to buy a home up front, and must be enslaved to the banking system and your credit score for most of your working life. You must pay insane amounts of money to finance your own healthcare. You must allow someone else to gamble with your money so that you MIGHT have some retirement funds left at the end. You get legal representation, but you are essentially forced to pay out through the nose for legal advice (contrary to popular belief, you are NOT always entitled to a free attorney if you cannot afford one). There is more BIG BROTHER wire-tapping here than in any other country. They simply don't have the kind of money to do this in other countries. America has a higher percentage of its people in prison than in any other country. These are facts. Since, you think I have not done any critical thinking on this topic, you come up with some counter arguments and let us see where the dialectic leads us.
neuro421May 19, 2011
One final thought... in China, we have a long history of dynasties rising and falling. The leaders understand one thing... they can get away with corruption to a certain degree, but they know that if they exceed their allowance, the people will rise up and kill them. The Chinese citizenry, particularly the peasants, understand their power in numbers very well. If you think they are all passive, rural, dullards you are wrong. There are known cases of criminals who try to bully farmers, where the entire villages of over a hundred people will rise up together, murder the transgessors, bury them, and continue about their daily lives as if nothing happened. Due to the cohesive, non-individualistic culture, Chinese people are not afraid of violence, and they are not afraid to die, especially for the sake of their kin. Every dynasty that has come and gone, has done so by the will of the oppressed people. There are lots of us, and in reality, the central government is our slave. If they do not do a good job, if they let petty local officials go to far in abusing their power, we kill them. We sacrifice man for man... one of ours for one of theirs. And I tell you, there are a LOT of common folk. You Westerners do not understand this because when you are at home, you expect to LIVE. In China we have a saying, "We who do not wear shoes, fear not those who do wear shoes". If you understand our history, you will realize that we are a vicious people when pushed. The government fears US.
Schweppesale2May 19, 2011
"One final thought... in China, we have a long history of dynasties rising and falling. The leaders understand one thing... they can get away with corruption to a certain degree, but they know that if they exceed their allowance, the people will rise up and kill them."
This is a weak response. Take a look at what's going on in the middle east right now and you can see the cost which must be paid for revolution.
You're suggesting that politicians won't abuse power to the degree which is made possible by outlawing free speech and political dissidence.
As technology becomes more powerful; the ability to forcibly overthrow governments without foreign intervention will become more and more difficult as you have unarmed civilians vs a deeply militant highly organized government.
It's ridiculous that you even see this as a realistic viable alternative to those freedoms outlined in the American constitution. Freedom of Speech is an inalienable right here in the States; and it's no wonder why it's been adopted by Democratic countries all across Europe.
Your system of checks of balances basically consists of "don't do this too much or we kill you". That to me - is a joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ
" Name ONE single social issue where this sort of debate has lead to greater unity in this country."
child labor laws. slavery (said freedoms brought about by war; but hey - it was debated and no doubt led to the eventual Emancipation Proclamation).
civil liberties; the green movement.
This country has gone through countless changes.
Just because we occasionally takes a step back doesn't mean we haven't already moved 2 steps forward.
Democracy is slow - it's messy but it's the best we've got.
Communism is putting your trust in the hands of a few; power which will be abused time and time again to an alarming degree where a nation of "nobodies" can argue on it's merits based on their ability to "think about politics" and stay under the radar.
I'll choose my version of freedom over yours any day of the week.
neuro421May 20, 2011
As I read your response, the difference between our two worldviews is becoming clear. You truly believe that human beings can be just, and learn to (eventually) perfect/realize their goodness in the application of governance if we can somehow just find the right set of legal and moral laws to abide by. I, and many other Chinese, are much more fatalistic about our view of humanity. I can't speak for all Chinese people, but I can tell you that many of the countless number of educated, well thought Chinese I have had the opportunity and privilege to engage in dialectic with hold to the view that human beings can only ask for "good enough". "Good enough" unfortunately means that control over human nature requires an iron grip and strong central government. I have found through experience that 8 out of 10 times, Chinese people agree that strong centralized rule is the only way to prolong a society for any significant duration of time. Systemic corruption is inevitable, and a "reset" will eventually be required. That is why our culture has the "Mandate of Heaven". If the leadership gets too corrupt, and they will, Heaven (natural law?) will be against you and will favor a new government over the corrupt pre-existing one, resulting in revolution paid in blood. This cycle essentially goes on ad-infinitum. The Western Judeo-Christian view of human nature affirms this view as well. Our two cultures, at one point in history, saw human nature in the same light. Unfortunately, Westerners no longer see it that way. To the Chinese, this is a great fallacy on your part to be taken advantage of. Take this as a warning from me to you.
On the other hand, you state:
"As technology becomes more powerful; the ability to forcibly overthrow governments without foreign intervention will become more and more difficult as you have unarmed civilians vs a deeply militant highly organized government"
In this, I absolutely agree with you. It may be that one day total oligarchical control of humanity will be irreversible. Never has humanity in our recorded history witnessed such an exponential increase in technological civilization. What the future holds for us, no one knows. I am not optimistic about it.
rotfoxMay 18, 2011
Hmmm, smart people running a country. We need more of this.
rexfelislocMay 18, 2011
Or you can move to China.
shogiMay 18, 2011
Meanwhile, 8 out of America's Top 9 government officials are rich, white, and full of s**t.
youareretardedMay 18, 2011
I think that number is higher.
gparksMay 18, 2011
Have you met many top scientists (usually professors) lately? They always have very adamant opinions about things they know nothing about and are usually poor administrators. Scientists are great for stuff in their field but their knowledge isn't terribly useful outside of it and their out of control egos makes them think every half assed idea they have is genius. ( I am a scientist too for the record). Not necessarily the best people to run a government.
greedonvrfiredMay 18, 2011
Yeah I am sure there are no American scientists who posses an open mind and leadership qualities. /s
Have you met most human beings lately? Being president isnt about "most" it is about the rare few. At least is is if you are doing it right.
mikefromamericaMay 18, 2011
Bill Nye 2012
liv2chillMay 18, 2011
America's strengths have never really been science and math. Most of the great discoveries and inventions that our country has made throughout our history were from foreign born individuals.
Our culture encourages achievement in the liberal arts. We excel and dominate in the fields of policy making, creativity, and business. This is not such a bad thing considering these are the people that ultimately run s**t. I agree that scientists and engineers would make better decisions in politics but most do not have the social and business intellect to effectively run a democracy.
jqp123May 19, 2011
"I agree that scientists and engineers would make better decisions in politics but most do not have the social and business intellect to effectively run a democracy."
OK, but that just leads us right back where we started --- what happens when a bunch of scientists and engineers running a socialist government with quasi-free market economics starts competing with lousy decision making liberal arts guys running a democracy?
Who wins?
thvkMay 18, 2011
Bring on the philosopher-kings.
ieatskunkMay 18, 2011
10 out of 10 US politicians are rich.
neuro421May 18, 2011
I thought Joe Biden was poor.
langfordMay 18, 2011
China appears to be playing for keeps.
jqp123May 18, 2011
Not to worry, 8 out the US's top 9 government officials believe in Jesus (or at least claim to). And everyone knows that Jesus beats science .. but in any case, we're gong to heaven and they're not so we still win. Go USA.
/sarcasm
monkenstickMay 18, 2011
did you also know china is governed by a repressive communist regime
greedonvrfiredMay 18, 2011
And since good and bad can not co-exist in the same idea the scientists must be bad too. Got it. Thanks.
monkenstickMay 18, 2011
you'll have to show me where I said that, or even implied it
greedonvrfiredMay 18, 2011
How about if I explain to you how language has the ability to "imply." And then you can think about the fact that using this ability and then hiding behind only the literal meaning of your words is childish.
monkenstickMay 19, 2011
the point I'm making is that the fact that government officials are scientists does not make that government "good"
jearuiz0Nov 18, 2011
http://basenji-dog.net/
ivan2266May 19, 2011
Wow!
marrachMay 19, 2011
I mean. . .Whoa!
Neuro421 is, like, unbelievable!! And he has 6 people following him? And you know what-- reading his rants, I don't really worry too much about the rest of us. But the Chick that marries him better watch out!
And countless stories, movies and fables always point to the general BAD outcomes that arise when Scientists are in charge of things other than Laboratories. It's a very deep-seated cultural meme that must have a germ of truth somewhere.
Plus-- China is really Communist in name these days, I think-- It's Fascist in Practice. Which is just as dangerous. Especially for it's own people-- particularly the Poor ones in the countryside.
The West may have some assh**es, Lawyers and greedy Banker d**kh**ds-- but we've been doing somewhat okay so far. Remember, one time not long ago, we were all supposed to be speaking Japanese. . .
basilmckeonMay 19, 2011
I blame fluoridated water for our (US) apparent lack of academic focus. We can't compete because our population is quite literally being poisoned.
I use this excuse partly because it's easy. But I also use this excuse partly because it's true ;)
sddreamMay 18, 2011
"Half of this country’s doctoral candidates in computer science come from abroad."
If the west start paying people with a math/science/engineer properly, maybe more people will be interested to study in those fields.
sddreamMay 18, 2011
Lawyers and religiousnutz, that's what US govt are make of.
sunsacredtenMay 18, 2011
hmm tht doesn't explains their population :P
jjbradyMay 18, 2011
Religion just doesn't work with politics.
Closed AccountMay 18, 2011
Meanwhile back at the ranch, the US government is run by a pack of liars and thieves. Is it any wonder that the US is going down the toilet.
farhanleoMay 18, 2011
No wonder its going to be the future super power
youareretardedMay 18, 2011
Future? It's already happened, we are the u.s.s.r. of the 80's.
farhanleoMay 18, 2011
Agreed
davidtcMay 18, 2011
So scientist as leaders = suppressed people and heavily censored information?
Oh wait, that's not the point the article is trying to make.
isaac7719May 18, 2011
Are you implying that most scientists are wannabe communist dictators?
davidtcMay 18, 2011
Nope, not at all. If you are going to make a case about their government being made up of scientist and look at all the good things that happen cause of it, you need to also look at the rest of what is going on with their government, like what I mentioned above.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
isaac7719May 18, 2011
It says 8 out of 9 of their top officials are scientists.
Unless their government has 9 people in it, this argument doesn't hold much water.
Also, engineers aren't really scientists...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
spatula7May 18, 2011
Correct, they are NOT scientists...they are politicians who have degrees in science related subjects.
liv2chillMay 18, 2011
china is communist dude. their are only like 9 people who run that entire country
rexfelislocMay 18, 2011
I wonder if their genius scientists instituted the highly successful one baby plan.
pandaxrageMay 18, 2011
Fortunately my mind is more imaginative and creative than those Chinese kids could ever hope to be. Let me know when breeding 'intelligence' under a oppressive government has worked out well. You are creating lemmings China, millions and millions of lemmings, that is all.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.