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"Oh wait. "

You just realized you repeated long debunked fossil fuel industry talking points?

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Good thing the oil companies don't get billions in Government subsidies every year!!

Oh wait...

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Please explain how past climate change excludes humanity being the cause of climate change now.

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Please explain how an entire ice shelf melting off into the ocean is proof that man made global warming exists.

It doesn't. The same as I said excluding human activity. It doesn't. It was merely a point of argument against argument. Nothing more, nothing less.

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"Please explain how an entire ice shelf melting off into the ocean is proof that man made global warming exists."

I did not make that assertion did I? Do you always argue against your opponents nonexistent positions? Do you not think it would be honest to take on the position that they ACTUALLY hold?

"It doesn't."

Oh, Look! Ma! Some honesty!

" It was merely a point of argument against argument. Nothing more, nothing less."

What argument is that? Are you at all familiar with the scientific evidence?

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"You seem to have confused me for someone who cares about the climate debate one way or the other."

You do not care so much that you are not commenting on threads about it. /s

" If we can do something about the climate without destroying our civilization go for it"

Got hyperbole?

"If we can't then civilization will deal with it..."

I like how you think that no action means no major climatic consequence. No I really do not.

"I do like the 1492 reference being an American Indian though.. :) nice trolling..."

I like how you presume what a pseudonym is all about. Fail.

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lol

Ok let's see here...

"You do not care so much that you are not commenting on threads about it. /s"

It's called trolling on a site that I enjoy reading and mixing it up sometimes with people. Easy targets. I have nothing to gain or lose in making snark or making valid points. Other than perhaps self gratification. I've looked into the issue enough to laugh at it either way. Whether it is natural or it is man made. Some comment I make on Digg is not going to save or doom the world.

"Got hyperbole?"

I do not think it is hyperbole to say I would prefer keeping our way of life as intact as possible. People like to harp on carbon as the great linchpin of global warming or climate change or global cooling. It really isn't as simple as that though. Getting machines off of carbon is not going to be enough. Whatever energy we decide to use as the basis for our new world will still generate heat. Conservation of energy is a bloody bloody law. This eventually becomes a question of population numbers. Everyone appreciates a hot meal and a warm bath in the winter time ya know...

"I like how you think that no action means no major climatic consequence. No I really do not."

Quite the contrary. I think that climatic change whether solved or not will change our civilization. The question of whether our environment makes us take action or not was answered a long time ago actually. The real question people need to focus on is what kind of world do they want. It's not something that can be put off any longer. So while most people are sniping back and forth about who did or did not "start the fire" a whole new world is forming around them.

"I like how you presume what a pseudonym is all about. Fail."

lol. I don't care what your name means to you. I bet the majority of people who see it think of nine inch nails and christopher columbus. Here's a little bit of advice... What people think matters more than what you were told. ;)

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"It's called trolling on a site that I enjoy reading and mixing it up sometimes with people. Easy targets."

So you in short you do not believe what you are saying until you are saying it. Gotcha. No not really. Your just one big bundle of self-contradiction.

"I do not think it is hyperbole to say I would prefer keeping our way of life as intact as possible."

No it is not is simply fallacious thinking to believe that inaction will have no or little consequences.

"People like to harp on carbon as the great linchpin of global warming or climate change or global cooling. It really isn't as simple as that though. Getting machines off of carbon is not going to be enough. Whatever energy we decide to use as the basis for our new world will still generate heat."

I see that laws of thermodynamics are not exactly your strong point. CO2 does not emit heat but traps and reradiates it. If you have a lot of heat generating sources on the Moon you know what you would have? Same damm temperature regime as it does now because you have no atmosphere to capture and reradiate the IR waves.

"This eventually becomes a question of population numbers. Everyone appreciates a hot meal and a warm bath in the winter time ya know..."

So I heard. Tell me how a warm bath negates a rising ocean.

"I think that climatic change whether solved or not will change our civilization. The question of whether our environment makes us take action or not was answered a long time ago actually. The real question people need to focus on is what kind of world do they want. It's not something that can be put off any longer. So while most people are sniping back and forth about who did or did not "start the fire" a whole new world is forming around them."

You write as obscurely as you self contradict. Have you thought of profession as a soothsayer?

"lol. I don't care what your name means to you. I bet the majority of people who see it think of nine inch nails and christopher columbus."

And I will wager that as usual you are speculating from the wrong side of your colon - Again.

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"So you in short you do not believe what you are saying until you are saying it. Gotcha. No not really. Your just one big bundle of self-contradiction."

You still seem to miss the point of what I initially was saying in response to the OP. Let me make it clear for you as it must be my fault. I was pointing out that the logic in his statement...

"...The whole ice shelf could melt off into the ocean and these idiots would still say man made global warming doesn't exist."

...could be used by the "other side" as well. It was flippant and apparently means a lot to you. I'm sorry. Still doesn't mean I will hold sacred all the things others hold sacred. (not even the powder keg that is climate)

"No it is not is simply fallacious thinking to believe that inaction will have no or little consequences."

How are you getting that I'm saying nothing will happen if we don't do something? WTF? English motherf... you know the rest.. lol... I've been saying there will be consequences either way. When I said "If we can't then civilization will deal with it...", "it" meant... consequences. No contradiction whatsoever.

"I see that laws of thermodynamics are not exactly your strong point. CO2 does not emit heat but traps and reradiates it. If you have a lot of heat generating sources on the Moon you know what you would have? Same damm temperature regime as it does now because you have no atmosphere to capture and reradiate the IR waves."

Wait... "CO2 does not emit heat but" "traps and reradiates it"... or re-emits it as does everything else. Do you not sweat? Where does this heat come from? Next time you're near a car that's been driven awhile go put your hand on the engine. Or next time you're near some solar panels that's been out in the sun go put your hand on them. Wind turbine, touch the generator. Nuclear power plant, touch the rods. Ever been in an air conditioned room? The heat from that room was displaced and put outside. Ever walked through the snow? Ever exhaled? The average human body temperature is 98.6°F. Can you tell me what the average temperature of the Earth currently is? March it was 56.3°F. But what about this CO2. One carbon and two oxygen atoms. How do we get that? All life is composed of carbon. Animals get carbon from the food they eat, cows, fish, wheat, apples. We eat it and through the chemical process that is animal life we break it down into chemical and mechanical energy. When we breathe in oxygen, our bodies fuse the oxygen atoms with discarded carbon atoms that we no longer need. We exhale this waste. The plants breathe it in and through the chemical process that is plant life they break it down. They breathe it in and take the carbon atoms and exhale the oxygen. Plants need that carbon to build their bodies. An animal comes along and eats that plant... carbon exchange again. We currently burn dormant carbon for it's stored energy. The heat we use to burn the carbon creates the perfect environment for it to grab one or two oxygen atoms. The fire stays lit. We increase the amount of CO2 and CO in the atmosphere. We also decrease the amount of pure oxygen in the air. Because the oxygen atoms couple with the carbon. the heat comes from the oxygen and carbon coupling. Whether it be a fire or an animal. The amount of CO2 is merely a good indicator of how much energy is being consumed and converted by both animal and currently machine.

"So I heard. Tell me how a warm bath negates a rising ocean."

My point was a warm bath causes a rising ocean. English your second language?

"You write as obscurely as you self contradict. Have you thought of profession as a soothsayer?"

Read it again. It's pretty clear man. Are you drunk?... Soothsayer you say? Are you from the 1800's as well?

"And I will wager that as usual you are speculating from the wrong side of your colon - Again."

Well, it was a toss up between nine inch nails and daria... also though, it's not too much speculation to assume that people think of cultural and historical points of interest. If I said "bubbles" it would not be too much of a stretch to assume people would think of micheal jackson and his chimp, or mr. bubbles, or the cheap bubble solution and wand we all had as kids, or even the power puff girls for that matter...

Anyway, goodnight mr. self destruct a whole new continent...

Short bus?

Troll?..

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