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mjm6783Feb 16, 2012
::Reads article about marijuana::
::Waits 5 seconds for Digg users to make it a left wing vs. right wing argument::
::Swallows a bottle of Tylenol::
theonewhoknowsFeb 16, 2012
You should not do that. If you don't choke on the bottle, you might end up getting it stuck in your gut.
But, in any event, I do suppose it is better than consuming all of the Tylenol in the bottle. That stuff could kill you, ya know.
mjm6783Feb 16, 2012
LOL, grammar joke FTW!!
thinkcapFeb 16, 2012
Fun health fact: If it makes it past your lower oesophageal sphincter, it will probably go the whole way. Whoever designed that must have been intelligent.
theonewhoknowsFeb 16, 2012
Perhaps that designer designed people for whom an object would not pass after having passed their lower oesophageal sphincter, and maybe all those people are all dead now on account of that terrible disadvantage.
thinkcapFeb 16, 2012
That sounds like an intelligent way of looking at it.
oyyooyyoFeb 17, 2012
so what you are saying is this designer plays with lives, purposely designing flaws in them so that they will die horrible unnecessary deaths?
cyberprunesFeb 17, 2012
Hmmm. Many people die each year from choking because the "designer" made only one orifice for breathing and eating. Not so intelligent.
thinkcapFeb 17, 2012
I was trying to be sarcastic, but they haven't invented good sarcasm marks as of yet, I don't actually think it was designed. But you're right shared airway/food hole = poor design, although the swallowing reflex should make obstruction unlikely, and clearly has if we evolved to this point.
cyberprunesFeb 17, 2012
lol sorry I totally missed the /s.
Now that i look back at the comment I see it clearly! hah.
snowfreezeFeb 17, 2012
TOTALLY DISAGREE! When I want to get someone to STFU, I feed them. Can't imagine if they could speak incessantly while eating too, lol.
theonewhoknowsFeb 17, 2012
Very funny!
gt777Feb 17, 2012
Cigarettes should be banned too! They kill millions worldwide! Why do people want to stuff their mouth with those killers?
ramondayFeb 17, 2012
You drink alcohol? Wanna ban that, too? Didn't think so.
14costurmFeb 17, 2012
i would say yes we should ban alcohal. but america already tried that and it didn't work
skinturtleFeb 17, 2012
I'm all for the government legalizing of weed because I'd rather have them controlling the distribution of it than the drug lords of columbia....BUT....you guys get on here and act like it's a wonder drug to heal all.
You make it sound like there's zero sides effects from inhaling smoke and none from a foreign chemical flowing through your blood stream and into your brain. Even legal drugs are at times worse than the cure.
You guys just want to get bombed out of your heads...period.
caseycooldFeb 17, 2012
^This! The short sighted views are what make me not think legalizing is a good idea.
Schweppesale2Feb 17, 2012
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
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NOPE
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
People are using it anyway. Should we continue to waste money and lives regardless?
It may not be a wonder drug but it's less dangerous than many legal substances and does offer positive effects for some conditions.
caseycooldFeb 20, 2012
Maybe we should legalize murder. People are doing it anyways!
charlesdkraussFeb 17, 2012
As long as you don't think alcohol is safer than MJ we're cool.
StonersRUsFeb 17, 2012
Thank God for Marijuana!
snowfreezeFeb 17, 2012
Thank Digg for thumbs down/bury!
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
Indeed. ;)
duncan202Feb 16, 2012
You'll feel stupid posting s**t like this when eventually marijuana is still illegal and you now have to produce and ID to buy Tylenol.
StonersRUsFeb 20, 2012
I'm not just gonna let that happen. I do agree that's a possibility though.
murxFeb 16, 2012
While one can argue (and should) that the indirect death due to DUI (of marihuana) - bad driving, not paying attention etc. need to be measured....
...the same is true about legal (prescription) drugs too - there are a lot of them that say you shouldn't handle 'heavy machinery' while on them...
...and knowing the US health system at least that far - how many can afford NOT to work just because they take a pill or two...
So in effect - yes there are 'indirect' death due to marihuana - but prescription drugs outnumber them 1:100 easily.
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
Sources for your claims?
if not it's just propaganda.
DiggPiggletFeb 16, 2012
He's talking about marihuana not marijuana.
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
he must be copy/pasting from an old propaganda site
DiggPiggletFeb 16, 2012
Yep. 1936 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026683/
murxFeb 16, 2012
Oh, I'm sooo sorry, I used the German lettering on that word!
Please!
Kille me bitte!
drumcyborgFeb 17, 2012
al-qaeda, al-queda, al-qeida, al-qieda, al-kaeda, al-quida, al-kieda, al-caeda, al-cieda, al-f**kit....
osama bin laden, usama bin ladin, osama bin ladin, usama bin laden....
The 'experts' were absolutely convinced that they knew who did it. So completely convinced that they couldn't even spell the names right.
drkroman9Feb 16, 2012
I've never heard or read of a case in which someone died from driving under the influence of marijuana.
murxFeb 16, 2012
My brother once drove his car with a few friends with him... pretty stoned. In hindsight it was pretty dangerous. They were snailing at 20-30Km/h on a road everyone drove 120 Km/h... Luckily it was late at night and that specific road empty (and even more luckily no 'racer' (up to 200+ Km/h) was on that road because late at night a lot of people would speed even more there - at least nearly 30 years ago).
Of course clearly putting the finger on marijuana is difficult since most of the time people consume considerable amounts of alcohol too. (My brother did drink some at that night but not much since it already was not allowed to have more then 0.8 promille).
But having tried it on my own (and damn made that stuff me slow and sleepy.. not my vice..) I think there are enough ways to get yourself killed due to the effects on motor control and mental quickness and alertness.
I'm pro legalizing it (I'm even more radical, I think all drugs should be 'legal' - even tho controlled through prescription but that's another thing here).
I don't like when they (media) put the blame of a car crash simply on the marijuana and then in the fineprint you read the person had 1.8 promille alcohol in his blood....
But really claiming no one died through the indirect effect (not overdoze) seems a bit naive to me - and equals the ways the pharma industry claims their safe products to be.
People drink alcohol - for the effects it has on the brain. Not for the intoxication or the taste. The last one is just the excuse.
The same is true for marijuana.
And I see nothing bad about that. As long as one takes into account, takes the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with the use.
For instance - no DUI of either.
cyberprunesFeb 17, 2012
I drink alcohol for both taste and drunkenness. Why else would someone buy single malt scotch over Keystone?
tridisFeb 17, 2012
The same reason people buy a $100 bottle of wine over a $10 one. To seem better then others.
I kid, I kid. People have different tastes but sometimes being pretentious has a little to do with it.
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
$10 bottles of wine usually aren't bad. It's the $5 bottles that are truly awful IMO.
drkroman9Feb 17, 2012
So your brother and his friends, when stoned, decided it would be a good idea to drive slower on the road as to not risk anything. Sounds to me like the intoxication effect of marijuana caused them to overestimate their speed and result in them driving safer (slower) to compensate.
I don't see that as being dangerous, if they were in the proper lane with their lights on, people could easily pass them and it would indeed by the fault of the speeders if any collision were to occur.
Yes some do mix alcohol with their marijuana high, but then this becomes an issue of drunk driving. The marijuana, as shown in your anecdote, reduces the chance of reckless showmanship which is the cause of many accidents.
crashdvisFeb 17, 2012
How many die choking on food? How many die slipping and falling in their shower? How many die being hit by lightning? How many die being hit by a meteor? How many other stupid things can we compare marijuana use to that really aren't relevant?
charlesdkraussFeb 17, 2012
It is relevant. Both are drugs. One of them results in people overdosing and dying, the other does not. The latter is illegal. Why?
marcglezFeb 17, 2012
like the headline however, what % of the population consumes Tylenol ergo has a greater chance of exposure.
Also, marijuana users may not die of overdose but does this numbers account for marijuana induced accidents on cars, at work, with power tools, etc...
Only trying to be objective.
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
So if some people using certain substances are more likely to have accidents, we should ban those substances?
Or should be ban the potentially dangerous activities while under the influence?
momentholderFeb 17, 2012
The only reason that marijuana is illegal is because the government can't tax it because a lot of people knows how to make it themselves not because it's a dangerous drug the government is trying to save us from.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
No, it's illegal because about 80 years ago some old white guys wanted to discourage Mexicans from coming to the country, and also to eliminate hemp as competition to the lumber industry. It's remained illegal largely because the people in position to make changes are unwilling to admit they were wrong about marijuana. Also there's a lot of pressure against such a move from lobbyists working for the interests of owners of private prisons that make a ton of money from prisoner labor.
If it were legalized, yes, there would be some people that grow their own. But the fact is growing marijuana is a pain in the ass, and it takes several months before you get any results. Most people would gladly opt to go buy it in a store. Look at alcohol and tobacco. You can brew your own beer at home, you can grow your own tobacco plants, but not nearly enough people do so to have any noticeable affect on tax revenues.
So it is about money, just not tax money.
caseycooldFeb 17, 2012
No it's illegal because it is highly addictive (yes, it is, at least mentally, dumns**ts) and people become even lazier (get a job you bums) and people do really stupid s**t while high, I have one friend who jumped to his death in Ithaca and I have seen people do a TON of stupid s**t while high.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
LongBFeb 17, 2012
You're an un-informed fool. Marijuana is not and never has been ADDICTIVE. There is no active ingredient that makes it addictive like nicotine. If you have an addictive personality, than anything you use excessively can be addictive.
Perhaps you should learn about the subject you're debating, instead of spewing non-sense on the internet.
caseycooldFeb 20, 2012
Yes, yes it is:
http://recoveryguy.hubpages.com/hub/Is-Marijuana-Addictive
http://www.heroinaddictionhelpguide.com/what-do-you-think-is-marijuana-addictive-or-not/
http://www.marijuana-addict.com/
Or just live enough and you wll see it. I saw one mother prostitute her daughters out so she could buy more week.
Perhaps you should learn about the subject you're debating, instead of spewing non-sense on the internet.
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
Sounds like you are describing television.
satori3000Feb 16, 2012
what an arbitrary thing to compare this with... how many people die from over-masturbation?
Tylenol and pot aren't the same thing and don't act in the same way. Having said that they should just legalize pot. Partially because it's crazy that it's not legal, and partially because otherwise we'll continue to get these whacked out comparisons.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tokeofthetownFeb 16, 2012
It's not arbitrary at all -- it's something people are familiar with, something that many of them take often or even every day, and it gives them a point of reference, since folks also use marijuana to treat pain.
satori3000Feb 16, 2012
it doesn't work the same way *at all*. it could be argued that masturbation can be used to treat pain. I think if someone is going to make this kind of argument they should compare it to percocet which is far more scary.
FPSmotoFeb 16, 2012
People die more from peanut allergies than they do marijuana. It's less addictive than coffee and has numerous health benefits. Although inhaling any sort of smoke into your lungs is bad, there are alternative methods to consume it, such as through edibles, my preferred way of consuming cannabis.
alapoetFeb 16, 2012
Nobody said it "works the same way." Pay attention.
Both Tylenol and marijuana are often used to control pain. One is MUCH more dangerous than the other.
It ain't rocket science, brah.
theonewhoknowsFeb 16, 2012
So now you're suggesting that we just ban Tylenol because some small percentage of people died while OD'ing on it???? That's reactionary and an improper intrusion of government.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
alapoetFeb 17, 2012
I'm NOT suggesting that Tylenol -- or anything else -- be banned.
I'm suggesting that marijuana be UN-banned.
(Lame-ass attempt at putting words in my mouth, Einstein.)
jeremy1967Feb 17, 2012
"So now you're suggesting that we just ban Tylenol because some small percentage of people died while OD'ing on it?"
Wow, way to miss a really obvious point. Here's a hint: double standard.
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
Yes, it would be ridiculous to do such a thing, wouldn't it?
theonewhoknowsFeb 17, 2012
@mattb123
Thanks.
theonewhoknowsFeb 17, 2012
Thanks for citing the first sentence of my post. Did you read the second?
ricksiteFeb 16, 2012
It is dangerous to overdose on percocet because it contains acetaminophen (aka tylenol).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percocet#Implicated_in_deaths
satori3000Feb 17, 2012
it's not the overdose that's the problem, have a look at the numbers of 'alleged' overdoses.. 400 is a nothing compared to the number of people who recieved it. It's the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are addicted to it.
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
You can over-masturbate?
meribianFeb 16, 2012
I'll spend the next week or so trying to confirm/refute this.
vitriolandangstFeb 17, 2012
It cannot kill you.
Getting CAUGHT masturbating, however, can affect your health.
cyberprunesFeb 17, 2012
I disagree. Marijuana is allegedly illegal based on the claim that it is a dangerous substance. Tylenol is legal and can cause death. Marijuana is illegal and cannot cause death by overdose. Not arbitrary at all.
lokjawFeb 17, 2012
Tylenol Treatments: is used to treat many conditions such as headache, muscle aches, arthritis, backache, toothaches, colds, and fevers.
Tylenol Over Dose: liver disease or death
MarijuanaTreatments:combat nausea from chemotherapy, to lower eye pressure in patients with glaucoma,to treat AIDS-related wasting syndrome in order to stimulate appetite, and to a lesser degree to combat pain and muscle spasms in patients with diseases such as multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, and Huntingtonís disease.It is also used to treat patients with HIV, migraines, seizures, insomnia, depression, anorexia nervosa, arthritis, asthma, etc.
Marijuana Over Dose: hunger and sleep
CaptainobliviousFeb 17, 2012
lets say I wanted to tell my government something. How would I do that?
lokjawFeb 17, 2012
well first of all does your state allow medical medicinal marijuana?, if so, then it's all about going to a marijuana doctor to see if your eligible to receive one. If not, then im not too familiar with legalizing with cities, but it would have to be the usual process of collecting signatures and presenting them to the mayor of the city, i hope your a good speaker because speech can make or break a petition.
griveroaFeb 17, 2012
Stupid article...
denimanjahFeb 17, 2012
oke...................
vanzant38Feb 17, 2012
But WEED is illegal.
/sarcasm.
steve8867Feb 17, 2012
ZING!
dougnic55Feb 17, 2012
big pharma is a big killer...
adalseyFeb 17, 2012
Has anyone heard of Marijuana overdose? How about alcohol poisoning?
uselesstriviaFeb 17, 2012
Oh come on...this is complete bulls**t. Maybe nobody has died from Marijuana because it toxified their liver like Tylenol, but it does cause deaths. Driving high is not safe. How many people a year die from that? Hotboxing isn't safe. How many people a year die because they accidentally suffocate in a smoke filled room? I'm sure it's not very many but it's not zero.
Don't use made up statistics. It just makes for easy targets to pick apart. Some anti-MJ crusader will come along and pay for a study to prove how many MJ related vehicle fatalities there are in a year and then you end up looking like an idiot for claiming that it was ever zero.
Marijuana is safer than tylenol? Maybe. But don't present that like it's a fact, and post a link to an unbiased source, not "toke of the town".
mattb123Feb 17, 2012
Take your own advice and don't make up statistics. I'd be willing to bet the number of deaths from hotboxing is zero until some reliably statistics show otherwise. You'd need a marijuana campfire in your airtight car, and then you'd just die from lack of oxygen because the fire used it.
savetheseaFeb 17, 2012
"How many people a year die because they accidentally suffocate in a smoke filled room?"
I am no expert on this matter and have done little research into it, but I would wager on my answer - NONE
Unless you are talking about a burning house or building, then many die each year from smoke inhalation.
mattbrad2Feb 17, 2012
I'm not going to say Marijuana should or should not be legalized but these types of comparisons I've always found lame at best. You're comparing apples to oranges. I could say.. a 5 hour energy drink has yet to kill anyone but does that make it *good* for my body? Aspirin for example has great benefits for blood pressure but can certainly kill you if you overdose. Heck, even milk can kill you if you drink enough of it at once. Maybe marijuana should be legalized in the US, I don't really know but using this as an argument for it isn't going to get you anywhere. In fact, if you want to eliminate the stereotype of marijuana users being typically stupid then you'd probably want to start with not comparing it to "death by tylenol".
doomesticFeb 16, 2012
While I am all for Marijuana legalization, it's a silly comparison. Marijuana increases risk of fatal car accidents three-fold, while Tylenol does not affect your capacity to drive. These comparisons are pointless.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tokeofthetownFeb 16, 2012
Good job of making up your own facts...
http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review-of-the-scientific-evidence
"Pointless," eh? I actually find it rather significant whether a not a given substance f**kING KILLS YOU, moron.
stuffradioFeb 16, 2012
Here's a NEW study disputing your claim.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Driving+doubles+crash+risk+study+finds/6132884/story.html
jeremy1967Feb 17, 2012
Consuming NyQuil affects your ability to drive safely. Better make cold medicine illegal too.
stuffradioFeb 17, 2012
Did I say anything about making it illegal? I didn't, I was stating facts. The facts about smoking and driving while being high. I don't take pain medicine anyways. Never have.
I'm sorry if Digg users can't handle facts. I thought they were supposed to be smart.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thinkcapFeb 17, 2012
Based on the fact they can log into a website?? It's the great divide between smart and stupid right there.
letherialFeb 17, 2012
You mean you except me to disbelive a article that is laid out correctly, provide references, summary's and links to the research done; Compared to generic bias article that doesnt provide ANY proof or references...its just 'so and so said'
seriously, do a little checking. This is how BS starts on the internet.
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
And your link really just compares marijuana use while driving to alcohol. Well Duh. Of course driving under the influence of alcohol is much, much worse. Nobody in their right mind would dispute that.
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
then why are you trying to use that very issue as an excuse to ban a substance rather than the substance that you yourself says is much worse?
doomesticFeb 16, 2012
1. Chill the f**k out.
2. Anything can kill you, too much food can kill you, in fact too much water can kill you too.
3. Tylenol only kills you if you deliberately swallow more than 4grams of it at once, usually closer to ten. So you have only yourself to blame. Marijuana can kill you if the dumbass driving on the street, is driving under its influence, in other words inadvertently.
I don't care if Marijuana is legalized, so long as its users get punished for DUI just like alcohol.
doomesticFeb 16, 2012
Oh and Btw
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash
"The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash."
Not making anything up dumbass.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vitriolandangstFeb 17, 2012
FTA
"French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol."
and
"Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol."
>> But what percentage of the NOT crashing French drivers are smoking pot?
The control group would be; People talking on phone, smoking, eating, or having group sex while driving.
Likely 50% were people who didn't get enough sleep the night before.
>> Studies like this are useless unless they have some normative control group and are discussed in CONTEXT. "Testing positive for Marijuana" could mean that they were smoking at the time -- or that they had pot in their blood stream -- which means they could have had pot 6 months ago.
For instance, if 20% of all French drivers smoked pot within the last year, and only 7% of drivers in fatal car crashes smoked pot, that would mean that pot smokers are 3 times less likely to be in a fatal car crash than non pot smokers.
letherialFeb 17, 2012
I dont buy that, WebMD might be good at knowing when to go to the ER or whatever, but that whole thing seemed rather bias.
First, it has only one sources, kinda strange.
Second, the source searching through goggle didn't reveal anything spectacular; i did find a web page that dealt with some tried and true fear tactics on convincing people it not to use it.
Just doesn't seem like a very good article to me.
caseycooldFeb 17, 2012
I read this as "this is a good source except when I don't agree with it."
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
well i'm sure you can site a source for your claim of it increasing the risk of fatal DUIs.
meribianFeb 16, 2012
I'm on your side and all, but having 420 in your name really shoots down how seriously people take you.
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
LOL. So true.
meribianFeb 16, 2012
The same goes for 666 and 69.
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
what does the fact that i openly support cannabis and its legalization has anything to do with your lack of sources for your propagandistic claims?
claiming things and not having any source for your obviously propagandistic claims kind of shoots down how seriously people take you.
which is worse?
meribianFeb 17, 2012
The 420 bulls**t makes all of us weed smokers look like we're 14.
particleman420Feb 17, 2012
so send in a feature request to digg about allowing people to change their name. this is an old old name and i'm tired of taking s**t for, and explaining it to, idiots.
doomesticFeb 16, 2012
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash
"The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
But those are French drivers.
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
all that shows is that people that died in car crashes had cannabis in their systems, which is there for as long as a month after actually consuming and being effected by said cannabis.
but the article also says that marijuana use only consists of 2.5% of fatal car wrecks, whereas alcohol is at 29%.
doess your concern for the safety of our roads and the prohibition of substances favor the banning of alcohol as well?
doomesticFeb 17, 2012
1. People who had cannabis in their system were THREE TIMES more likely to be involved in a fatal car crash than the ones that did not. So stfu.
2. If you read my original comment, I said that I am FOR legalization. I just think the comparison of Tylenol to Cannabis to make it look more favorable is a retarded one.
P.S. You were on shoutwire?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Feb 17, 2012
of course i was! who else could cause as many successfull arguments than a shoutwire vet?
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
I don't know about "three-fold" but I would agree it slows your reaction time. Still your right that it's a wrong comparison because Tylenol is probably used a thousand times more then pot.
vitriolandangstFeb 17, 2012
Marijuana increases fatal car accidents three-fold?
That CAN only be due to people swallowing lit joints when they encounter Road Blocks for drug inspections.
I'm going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say, Marijuana increases fatal car accidents fifty-fold. Because you are snorting cocaine in a rolled up $50 if you believe this stat.
Sharonrose411Feb 17, 2012
This article is misleading. Marijuana is a gateway drug, as is alcohol, which leads to serious drug addiction and death or devastation to many lives. I previously counsled many teenagers who were delinquent and drugs was very often the beginning of their behavior problems and committing of crimes. This was therfore not a good comparison and could only lead many to think marijuana is safe and it many ways it is not. I understand that research has shown it can help with pain, but if that is so this would be done under a doctor's control and direction.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
Oh please, the whole gateway drug argument is total crap, I'm not even going to waste my time refuting it. There's a key word you used that indicates the real problem, and that's 'teenagers'. Kids drinking and doing drugs is a bad thing, no one is trying to say otherwise.
Whenever anyone brings up the topic of legalization of marijuana, some self-important asshat has to chime in and say 'but it's illegal to protect the children, we don't want them smoking pot'. That's completely beside the point. No one who supports legalization wants to give it to kids; it's assumed if it were legalized that you'd have to be 18 to buy it like everything else (except for alcohol in the United States). The fact is it's illegal now, and kids who want it can already get it (also, drug dealers don't usually care how old you are).
What's the point in arresting people and throwing them in jail and slapping them with a criminal charge that will follow them the rest of their lives for doing something that doesn't harm anyone but themselves?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
savetheseaFeb 17, 2012
"Marijuana is a gateway drug"
More anti-weed propaganda.If someone wants to drop acid, snort coke, shoot heroin, or shoot, smoke or snort meth; they are going to do it regardless of an initiation by marijuana. Take marijuana out of the picture and you just have a bunch of tweaking, tripping, railing assh**es with no means to come down /s.
I know many more people that smoke pot and have never tried anything else than the those who tried pot and decided "Wow, this is great, where can I get my hands on.............." I have known hard drug users that never smoked pot.
The only way I can consider the gateway argument would be because it is illegal. If you are willing to try an illegal drug, then you will not have a problem with the legality of other drugs. Make marijuana legal and the gateway aspect is completely eliminated.
Sharonrose411Feb 17, 2012
It's obvious that neither of you undrstand why marijuana and alcohol are termed gateway drugs. It hasnothing to do witheither being more addicting that another drug. An example of people speaking on something and not being well informed and just running with it. Also, You totally veered from what the article was about (which is what my comment was on) and focused on one phrase in my comments. Sounds like you just wanted to be disagreeable and not contribute anything related to the article.
savetheseaFeb 18, 2012
Your comment completely diverts from the article and I know exactly what you "mean" by calling it a gateway drug, but I 100% disagree that it is such a thing.
Please explain, with the ease of availability of any drug, why the path to drug addiction is through marijuana?
So if I smoke and have been smoking for years, I should be waiting for the urge to do crack any minute now? A person that smokes may have a personality that will try other things in the first place - doesn't mean that he will go from pot to heroin.
Please show a source that describes why marijuana is a gateway drug. Or is that some 60 year old propaganda you are remembering?
davidnivenFeb 16, 2012
True. You cannot die from an overdose of marijuana. Maybe in theory, but not in practical terms.
OK. So what? It's still a debilitating drug.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
DiggPiggletFeb 16, 2012
It makes you vote for Democrats and slows your thinking while making you feel smarter.
zbeastFeb 16, 2012
Beer makes you vote for people like bush..
Then it makes you forget that it was a dumb idea and you do it again for a second term.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2008/09/want-a-presiden/
stuffradioFeb 16, 2012
Like you're going to do for Obama.
meribianFeb 16, 2012
LOL @ the people burying your comment.
"You can't imply anything negative about him! He's BLACK!"
DiggPiggletFeb 16, 2012
Who do beer drinking potheads vote for?
tomt127Feb 16, 2012
Ron Paul.
At least I know I am.
FrankLuskaFeb 17, 2012
Damn Good Answer
tokeofthetownFeb 16, 2012
OK, so you don't smoke marijuana -- so what clouded your thinking to such an alarming degree?
(Anybody who'd call cannabis a "debilitating drug" clearly has issues in the processing of information.)
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
Right Wing Conservatism destroys more brains and lives than cannabis ever has. David is a good example of the delusion and warping of the brain it can cause.
meribianFeb 16, 2012
This isn't about politics, dildo!
particleman420Feb 16, 2012
right! it's about our resident rightwing propagandist troll davidniven, douchenozle
meribianFeb 16, 2012
He's probably some /b/tard that's getting infinite laughs from riling up people like you.
particleman420Feb 17, 2012
maybe, but he's been too committed for too many years. i think he's really like that
seidnuFeb 16, 2012
Shouldn't talk down on anything he has never tried and knows absolutely nothing about other then lies that the government says about it.
fitzal77Feb 17, 2012
That's why teen suicide hotlines are only manned by people who have committed suicide and now regret it.
seidnuFeb 17, 2012
they didn't commit suicide they tried to if they committed suicide they would not be around to help on the hot line
vitriolandangstFeb 17, 2012
I think the stat I heard is that 50% of all fatal car crashes in the US are due to drivers who have not had enough sleep.
So is anyone outlawing Jobs that fire you if you are ten minutes late? How about forcing mass transit so we don't have 120 minutes stuck in traffic?
>> Everything that sucks is justified by "protecting health or children", and everything that makes a lot of money seems to be killing you and making life suck for your children.
The anti-Big Government people seem to so often line up with the "pro law enforcement" crowd. How do we PAY for the prisons -- by raising taxes? No -- we borrow that money.
>> I want government to protect me from Lead Paint, and having the wheels fall off my car. I don't want government protecting me from Marijuana, or siding with a religious group in protecting my soul.
Adults can have a conversation -- we cannot ALWAYS protect people from what they put in their bodies -- but we SHOULD protect children, make people informed, and give them options. If some things are REALLY REALLY DANGEROUS -- there should be prudent restrictions.
But putting someone in prison for 20 years because putting something bad in their own body -- who are we kidding about "caring for that person?"
People SHOULD have the opportunity to make INFORMED choices. Some regulations like reducing saturated fats in fast food would help MORE people live better than ALL the drug laws ever created. It's pretty much like a seatbelt law -- we don't, however, put people in prison for not wearing a seat belt.
At some point -- it's a cost-benefit decision. Tylenol is DEFINITELY more deadly than Marijuana -- regardless of whether it's taken by more people or not. You can't put ten joints in your body and kill yourself
>> Yet I've heard the same people chime in with Rush Limbaugh saying how outrageous it would be for government to intrude on Fast Food companies or to tax crappy processed foods. It's crazy to be FOR making drugs illegal -- if you are against any laws prohibiting bad foods. At least be consistent.
FrankLuskaFeb 17, 2012
Careful, you have been warned before about making sense. Causes illogical heads to explode, but hey, that is a good thing. Keep it up!
stubearFeb 16, 2012
So, is that your excuse for your terminal stupidity?
zbeastFeb 16, 2012
it's an intoxicating drug...
Something thats debilitating causes long term harm.
you don't see that in marijuana.
I don't even think there's a recorded LD50 for pot.
Unless you count the police shooting of users and there house pets.
http://blog.norml.org/2010/05/06/missouri-swat-team-shoots-family-dog-during-raid-over-small-amount-of-marijuana/
meribianFeb 16, 2012
lol troll account. Go back to 4chan.
BluntzworthFeb 16, 2012
Why is alcohol legal and weed not?
Debilitating drug? Have you ever smoked weed?
momentholderFeb 17, 2012
I heard the material in weed cures and protect some cancer cells
momentholderFeb 17, 2012
well not protect cancer cells but protect us from the development of cancer cells inside of our body
BluntzworthFeb 17, 2012
Is that why it is illegal?
savetheseaFeb 17, 2012
Because the beer and wine industry contribute heavily to campaigns and have large lobbying groups.
BluntzworthFeb 17, 2012
I have always suspected the Alcohol and Tobacco industries are lobbying against Marijuana.
Although the Tobacco industry is pretty much set up for transition.
savetheseaFeb 17, 2012
I happened in California with prop 19, I also saw a site that listed campaign contributions and the beer industry was high on the list of total dollars spent.
vitriolandangstFeb 17, 2012
"Maybe in theory, but not in practical terms."
In practical terms, nobody has been recorded dying of Marijuana in the history of Jamaica.
However, people have died walking into the WRONG Marijuana field, and not giving the proper greeting to that man with the big gun.
I don't think that the people keeping Marijuana illegal give a damn about how many people die. More people die from prescription drugs in 1 year than die of Illegal drugs in the past 50.
Now, some might say that Prescription drugs are taken more often than illegal drugs -- but those people have forgotten high school.
Ozzie Osborn and the Rolling Stones; still alive. Whitney Houston has drug-fueled cocaine binges with Bobby Brown for year, but finally dies when she's cleaned up and taking Xanex with champagne.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
I'm not sure I'd call popping xanex and chasing it with champagne 'cleaned up'. More like trading one demon for another.
savetheseaFeb 17, 2012
that was his point, she traded and "illegal": demon for a legal one then died. In society's eyes, xanax is good because it is legal - regardless of the dangers and abuses.
jeremy1967Feb 17, 2012
"OK. So what? It's still a debilitating drug."
Yeah, just look at Michael Phelps and his 16 Olympic medals.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
Ok, care to explain something to me? If marijuana is a debilitating drug, how the hell is Willie Nelson still alive and actively touring? Or Tommy Chong? Or Woody Harrelson? Should I go on?
falcon642Feb 17, 2012
Marijuana smoke contains 50% MORE carcinogens than tobacco smoke. So we've proven that tobacco causes cancer, and Marijuana has MORE carcinogens than tobacco smoke, whatever could that mean?
Marijuana science is about where Tobacco science was in the 1950's, we're pretty sure that marijuana causes cancer but we haven't been able to definitively prove it yet (mostly because we can't find enough people who only smoked pot and not tobacco for 20 yrs).
"Smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco. Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form--levels that may accelerate the canges that ultimately produce malignant cells." (Source: NIDA)
"It has been estimated that smoking a cannabis cigarette (containing only herbal cannabis) results in an approximately five-fold greater increase in carboxyhaemoglobin concentration, a three-fold greater increase in the amount of tar inhaled, and a retention in the respiratory tract of one third more tar than smoking a tobacco cigarette."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neondistractionFeb 18, 2012
What you linked to was merely speculation, not a study.
Actually there been studies that show no increase in lung cancer amongst the heaviest of marijuana smokers compared to non-smokers.
Here's one study done by a researcher at Johns Hopkins Medical School:
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20000508/marijuana-unlikely-to-cause-cancer
And here's another separate study done a few years later:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link
Also, you don't have to smoke marijuana. You can eat it or vaporize it.
meyrickvillaricaFeb 17, 2012
legalize it.
rshewmakerFeb 16, 2012
It would be tough enough just to get a 100 rounds o'pot down your pie hole.
afk2Feb 17, 2012
some of you are so anal ,why don't you stick some Tylenol;up your bumhole..and kill your ass..a bunch of grammar police..most you don't even have a dam job, put sit here correcting ever fuking thing someone post..Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
Obvious troll is obvious.
johnomazzFeb 17, 2012
100 people OD on Tylenol a year, how many thousands die in the production, trafficking and sale of marijuana? What about the effects of marijuana? It may not kill you but someone driving while high may hit someone. Maybe a baby dies because his/her parents spend all their money on marijuana instead of food.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
First of all, the crime and violence associated with the production/trafficking of marijuana are a symptom of it's legal status, not the drug itself. If it were legal there wouldn't be any violence related to it at all.
Second, while I'm not going to argue that driving while high is dangerous, that's hardly reason enough to make it illegal. Alcohol makes driving even more dangerous, along with any number of painkillers/sleeping pills that are perfectly legal.
Third, parents neglecting a baby because of weed? That's a result of terrible people having children, not a result of marijuana. How many times have there been stories on the news about a kid dying because the parents were too busy playing world of warcraft or some other addictive online game?
cyberdactylFeb 17, 2012
I agree about the parent thing. It gets SOO old hearing how an inanimate object/substance is responsible for s**tty human behavior.
neondistractionFeb 17, 2012
Exactly, like if you could eliminate that one thing then suddenly they'd be great parents.
rshewmakerFeb 16, 2012
It would be tough enough just to get a 100 rounds o'pot down your pie hole.
dtwritesFeb 16, 2012
Wow! Tylenol overdose . . . first I heard of that.
cyberdactylFeb 17, 2012
If you're older than 20 you might want to keep quiet, your incredible ignorance of current affairs is showing.
zbeastFeb 17, 2012
http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/otc_toxicity_01.htm
Because it don't not make you "High" people consider it safe.
Because it's a very "weak" pain killer. People think more is better so
they can OD.