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Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
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weRULEyouFeb 28, 2011
Why would we in government EVER persecute those who protest giving us less of your hard earned money?!?!?!?
We know your money is rightfully ours; its in the laws we made. Any activist who loyally stands up for us government employees is deserving of our protection. Those of you cowards who are not loyal and brave enough to protest us getting your money deserve higher taxes.
http://youareproperty.blogspot.com/2010/09/we-put-you-right-back-into-caste-system.htmlComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
This 'I speak for the fascist government you apparently have' thing of yours is getting really, really old.
Closed AccountFeb 28, 2011
certain eruptions from blogspammers are not
even worth replying especially if so completely
unrelated - while a neat snide-back pun works ;)
nysusFeb 28, 2011
Your comment just reinforces just what a bunch of whiny, greedy f**king assh**es you tea party f**ks are.
nysusFeb 28, 2011
Your comment just reinforces just what a bunch of whiny, greedy f**king assh**es you tea party f**ks are.
weRULEyouFeb 28, 2011
We have you convinced that not paying taxes in a country born in a tax revolt is somehow shamefully unpatriotic. This is true even though most of you see that billions are, at best, misused, and, at worst, trillions are wasted. The fact that about one half of your hard earned income goes to governments thru various forms of taxation would be abhorrent to the original Americans of the early 1800s. You Americans of the early 2000’s like it this way. You are happy when we imprison one of your own for attempting to keep more than his “fair share.” You voted for a man who forced you to either sign up for various corporate insurance programs or face heavy fines and possible prison, and you loved him. Of course if the local News Paper company was given the authority to fine, and even imprison people who were not subscribers you would be irate, and fiercely stand up for your rights and freedom against this injustice. When this same action is taken by us, the government, you may go so far as to express your disapproval to your neighbors but would never have the courage to actually stand up for yourselves. You will not even think to question why you allow us to take such liberties when dealing with you.
http://youareproperty.blogspot.com/2010/05/tea-party-ha.html
We've already beaten the Tea Party.
maxell101Feb 27, 2011
I wonder if Walker is listening or is he too busy waiting for David Koch to call back.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
He's doing what a state executive is supposed to do -- lead.
Liberals are too used to weak, rudderless, leaderless presidents, like Obama and Clinton, and don't know how to deal with real leaders doing absolutely the right thing. Unions, on the other hand, are proving why they need to be scaled back.
Collective bargaining does not need the corrupt influence of massive labor organizations to be effective, In fact, it'd be far more effective without massive, highly corrupt labor unions. And, I was a union steward for 3 years in one of the largest, most corrupt locals in the United States. Not surprisingly, every "officer" during the time I was a union steward now faces a federal investigation into their blatant corruption.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mrteflonFeb 28, 2011
Him and the c**k brothers have a even more secret agenda. Did you know that in this bill Walker gets rights to sell all the Wisconsin owned power generation and cooling plants for no bid sales to whomever he wants to sell to?
And then there’s this: “Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).”
What’s that about? The state of Wisconsin owns a number of plants supplying heating, cooling, and electricity to state-run facilities (like the University of Wisconsin). The language in the budget bill would, in effect, let the governor privatize any or all of these facilities at whim. Not only that, he could sell them, without taking bids, to anyone he chooses. And note that any such sale would, by definition, be “considered to be in the public interest.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/opinion/25krugman.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=Walker%20Wisconsin%20contracts&st=cse
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Wisconsin - The birthplace of Anarchy.
kalifani6Feb 27, 2011
"The birthplace of Anarchy"....is in your head. Get some help for that, 'k.
kalifani6Feb 27, 2011
"The birthplace of Anarchy"....is in your head. Get some help for that, 'k.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Look around you. What would you call it? Governmental Authority and the Political process is being ignored and disregarded.
I think it has a very good chance of turning the corner into anarchy. Why don't you tell me why you think I'm wrong rather than just spitting out some grade school insult??Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gransaterFeb 27, 2011
hrearden 51
Definition is as follows. Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchíā, "without ruler") may refer to any of several political states, and has been variously defined by sources. Most often, the term "anarchy" describes the simple absence of publicly recognized government or enforced political authority.[1][2] When used in this sense, anarchy may[3] or may not[4] imply political disorder or lawlessness within a society. In another sense, anarchy may not refer to a complete lack of authority or political organization, but instead refer to a social state characterized by absolute direct democracy[5] or libertarianism.[4]
While I think your definition is correct, I get a feeling you are looking at it as being a negative situation. That's how it is coming across.
The actions of Gov S. Walker, has brought about the loss of implied authority of his position, with a large portion of the population. Looking at the definition above, what is happening in Wis. right now is a social state characterized by absolute direct democracy or libertarianism. Isn't that that the US is all about, democracy? I'd say the governor has broadly overstepped his imaginary authority, and, for once, people have become outraged enough to brings their sentiments to the light, and in essence revoked the authority given the governor. By their number, not only in Wis. but also in other states, I'd say it's time the elected officials take the majority of the peoples opinion to heart. Its time the elected representatives of the country respect the voices of the people, rather than the other way around. This IS the hallmark of a free country.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
gran - A well stated opinion but I disagree. I think bias and ideology plays far too large a part here.
There are many examples where I think most of you would disagree with this type of activity coming from the other side. Just a few being Same Sex Marriage (Prop 8), Abortion, Health Care.
I'm just saying we are setting a dangerous precedent by applauding this activity now when you consider that the next time, it may be over an issue YOU don't agree with.
I disagree it's a hallmark of a free country and more and more, I view it as a hallmark of a country on the brink of Anarchy. If, as you say but which I disagree with, the Governor has overstepped his authority, there is a process to deal with it. In my opinion, that process should not include mob influence rule. And make no mistake about it, that is exactly what is happening.
But thank you for the thoughts. As I said, well stated but I disagree with you for the most part.
Remember, elections have consequences. Let them deal with it. Negotiate, debate, vote. If this legislation is as unpopular as it appears, it only stands until the next election. Isn't that more the "American Way"?
But on the other hand, I have to question. Do many of us truly think the Unions may be just a bit too powerful? Do many of us not think that possibly scaling back SOME of their power might just be a reasonable idea?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gransaterFeb 27, 2011
Bias and ideology plays too large a part.............Yes, it does, however, the conservative party lately almost always have one solid opinion, from all its members, in all matters. If ideology didn't play a role, there are issues where conservatives would at times cross the aisle. Democrats in general are not as rigid. We even invented derogatory names for them, RINO and DINO. The whole political climate today is characterized by ideology bias. It's no wonder we are living and experiencing rigid inflexibility, from a political perspective. If it wasn't, what's happening wouldn't. Blame it on the politicians, bringing this about. Remember "If you're not with us you're against us" rhetoric?
Same Sex Marriage, Abortion, Health Care...................Again, polarizing situations, where some just want to live their life, while others want to decide how someone is to live their own life's. Health Care.....The number 1, by far, reason of personal bankruptcies in the richest country in the world. Something has got to be wrong with that picture, yet all to many are blind to it.
Dangerous precedent............ I think the danger is to take away the freedom of expression, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. A silenced population is not free or very productive, and or healthy, as I understand it. Imagine having to be suspicious of your neighbor all the time. Fascism and communism aren't all that far apart. It's all about control of the masses. The differing point being who does the controlling.
I disagree it's a hallmark of a free country........So you're saying most of the countries in Europe, some in Central and South America are on the brink of anarchy. I'd wager they'd tell you otherwise.
Yes, there is a way to deal with it, but the overstep is in such perceived magnitude that a very large part of the population felt there wasn't time or need to wait on "procedure". In other words, the governor lost authority and confidence by his actions, that the people felt regular avenues of "procedure" null and voided. It does take very drastic actions to bring this about. It isn't business as usual kind of thing, as evidenced by what's happening.
But thank you for the thoughts. As I said, well stated but I disagree with you for the most part. That's ok. We can agree on disagreing. Maybe I learned something from you and vice versa. That's how one evolves. Thank you, for the civil discourse.
Remember, elections have consequences............Yes they do, and both sides have to realize this.
But on the other hand, I have to question. Do many of us truly think the Unions may be just a bit too powerful? Unions have come into being because of abuses in the past. They are a manifestation of forcing management to treat their employees with dignity, rather than as working animals. Yeah, I know, bear me out. In a perfect world there wouldn't be a need for unions, but the world is neither perfect nor fair. I feel the unions do have a place, in keeping a level playing field, and that can be argued for a long time. Are they too powerful? as opposed to too weak? Maybe, I listen to horror stories from both sides, and come up with a draw. As long as workers feel a need to have a union, to protect their side this quandary will continue. It basically breaks down to a lack of trust that management will do the right and fair thing. I work for great bosses and feel no need for unions, but for many this isn't the case. I do think that if there is to be a union, it better be powerful, or it's a waste of time and dues.
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
hrearden51, the birthplace of stupidity
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Same thing. What is going on in Wisconsin fits the text book description of Anarchy. So, instead of immature insult, why don't you tell me why you think I'm wrong?
I may be "stupid". It OBVIOUSLY isn't just "in my head". Just turn on the T.V. But that hardly states a case for why I am wrong.
I can be functionally stupid and still be right some times!! :-)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
It's not anarchy, it's REVOLT against an authoritarian tyrant. Big difference.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
So a democratically elected government is an authoritarian tyrant now? I see....
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
I was referring to Scott Walker, not the government. By overreaching on collective bargaining, he has lost the confidence of the people of Wisconsin. Going against their will makes him an authoritarian tyrant, NOT a Democratic representative.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
So, he is also house and senate voting to pass this? Very interesting, I was completely unaware the governor also controlled congress.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
First, it didn't pass because he lacks the ability to form a quorum. That's why he's so upset over the departure of the Democrats.
Second, everyone knows that the Republican party behaves like a band of lemmings and rubber stamps whatever it's leader requests. This is hardly Democratic behavior, but it is similar to how dictatorships behave.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
WI has the option of voting them out next election and reinstating anything they felt shouldn't have been changed.
Democracy, ever hear of it?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
Heard of Democracy? Yes, and that's precisely what we're witnessing in WI much to the governor's, and your, chagrin.
As for the next election in WI, it couldn't come soon enough.
Just out of curiosity, do you think they'll also be able to reverse the "no-bid" sale of state owned utilities to the Koch brothers at bargain basement prices?
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
you realize "tyrants" are almost always put into power by the people, right?
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
So a democratically elected government is an authoritarian tyrant now? I see....
miklkitFeb 27, 2011
Useless rhetoric. You are saying that one man IS the government. And also remember that Hitler was elected.
miklkitFeb 27, 2011
Useless rhetoric. You are saying that one man IS the government. And also remember that Hitler was elected.
miklkitFeb 27, 2011
Useless rhetoric. You are saying that one man IS the government. And also remember that Hitler was elected.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
So he is also the Republicans voting for this as well? Is he a clone? Interesting.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
His behavior defines him as such.
Surely, you realize Hitler was elected as well. As many dictators have proven throughout history, elections don't define politicians but their subsequent behavior and choices DO.
Try picking up a history book, READING it and educating yourself instead of crouching into an ideological fetal position.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
Try not to be a jackass and maybe people will take you seriously.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
Since when is telling the truth the equivalent of being a "jackass"?
Pull the ideological stick out of your ass.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
I understand now, my bad for trying to have a civilized conversation with you. My apologies for thinking you were capable of non-biased conversation.
PS: Your 'truth' wreaks of someone who forgot to take their medication.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
Aside from your pathetic attempts at character assassination, you haven't credibly refuted a thing I've written. If my comments were not founded in truth, you would have no problem refuting their merits.
It must be SO hard for you to live on the wrong side of history and Democracy, But, it certainly explains your vapid responses and defensiveness.
By the way, calling a person a "jackass" is not "civility". Way to set the bar...
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
Hitler wasn't elected, boys; he was *almost* elected.
rjeyFeb 28, 2011
"Try picking up a history book, READING it and educating yourself instead of crouching into an ideological fetal position."
"Pull the ideological stick out of your ass."
You started it, I finished it.
Now go take your meds before you hurt yourself.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjeyFeb 28, 2011
And finally why don't tell me how much the teachers of Milwaukee take home yearly in total compensation since this is at the heart of the issue.
OK, since I know you won't, I will: The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools.
Now, please call foul as to why this doesn't matter.
And now, tell me where is the state of WI going to close it's budget gaps. Print more money? Oh I know, stop the Wisconsin war on Iraq.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
Hitler was elected -- So was Obama. Got anything intelligent to say, or do you just spout mindless gibberish??
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
Did I just get buried for stating a fact?
It would appear so.
America, f**k Yeah!
eraptorFeb 28, 2011
Hey rjey,
First, those benefit figures are ESTIMATES, not actual amounts paid.
Second, did you factor those business tax cuts pursued by Scott Walker BEFORE he attacked the unions? Surely, you realize they are ALSO an unnecessary expense that GROWS the deficit. In fact, added together, those state tax cuts take a FAR larger bite out of the state's budget than ANYTHING created by those teachers. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that Walker's supporter's would "conveniently" forget to mention the fiscal effects of the irresponsible tax cuts HE and your ilk favor. The MAIN difference between us is that I consider the ENTIRE fiscal picture, while you cherry-pick targets based upon ideologically-driven blinders and the crap you're fed by conservative media outlets. By the way, those figures you're citing on the teachers is WRONG. Their union already agreed to major concessions, so you're numbers are INFLATED.
How is Wisconsin going to get out of the hole? The SAME way anyone would, by looking at EVERYTHING including ALL sacred cows (like tax cuts and business tax breaks). If we're really talking about shared sacrifice, that means EVERYONE must sacrifice (including the Koch Brothers).
Finally, I find it funny how you accuse me of avoiding your accusations, but we have YET to hear a word from you on those no-bid, state owned utility sales at bargain basement prices. So, I'll pointedly ask you again, how does THAT help reduce the state's deficit? It's a sure bet the Koch Brother's are salivating over the prospect since they know the state/Walker would leave a significant amount of money on the table as payback for their political support. Why else would they be so interested in buying them? It's a funny thing, but I don't recall ANY union EVER making the same kind of deal at the state's expense. For the record, the same kind of fiscal disgrace is routinely pursued by Republican campaign contributors and Republican politicians at the federal level (e.g., privatization of Social Security).
The tragedy of your political support for Walker stems from the fact that you're willing to throw your state, country and fellow Americans under the fiscal bus to pursue an ideologically agenda that has NEVER worked in the history of the country. Must make you feel proud...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 28, 2011
@ike5266,
Obviously, you missed the point of my earlier reference. Try reading next time.
Since you missed it, I'll refresh your memory. The point was that elections don't matter as much as the politician's behavior after they are elected. If you want to compare Scott Walker's behavior to Obama's go ahead. President Obama doesn't hold a candle to Walker's (or Hitler's) authoritarian disgrace.
If anything, Obama has made EVERY effort to reach out to Republicans only to have them spit in his face. As a consequence of his record of capitulation towards the Republican agenda, the Democrat's lost SIGNIFICANT political support from the American people. Obama calls his capitulation, "compromise", but we all know compromise requires commensurate sacrifice from BOTH sides (something Republicans are unwilling to offer).
How's this for "mindless gibberish"? I realize most Conservatives lack the mental acuity to think past a bumper sticker slogan, but here's your response nonetheless.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjeyFeb 28, 2011
"$100,005, according to the ***manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools***."
And I understand perfectly where you are coming from. Everyone ELSE must sacrifice as long as the unions don't, right?
Hypocrite.
eraptorMar 1, 2011
@rjey
"And I understand perfectly where you are coming from. Everyone ELSE must sacrifice as long as the unions don't, right?"
Really? The unions have ALREADY agreed to make SIGNIFICANT financial concessions (i.e., SACRIFICE!!!!). What have Republicans or their campaign contributors sacrificed? Remember, Walker and the Republicans already GOT their cherished business tax breaks. So, where is the "sacrifice" you're complaining about? Those tax cuts should have NEVER been passed during a time of "austerity". There's your hypocrisy...
We ALL recognize the hypocrite in this debate, but it's not me.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjeyMar 1, 2011
You see, unlike you, I don't need to assume anything about your stance. It's perfectly clear you think unions are above reproach and that they should not have to make any sacrifice.
But you on the other hand have no idea what my stance is on other frivolous spending issues, do you? But keep on assuming (and don't forget your meds).
eraptorMar 1, 2011
"It's perfectly clear you think unions are above reproach and that they should not have to make any sacrifice."
Really? Then why would I support their decision to make those cuts. If I thought unions were above reproach, I would NEVER support that decision. It's a shame TRUTH gets in the way of YOUR conclusions.
By the way, you STILL haven't justified the Governor's decision to pursue the no-bid sale of state owned utilities at bargain basement prices, over $140 million in tax breaks during a time of "austerity" OR lack of commensurate Republican sacrifice. Your silence on these issues speaks VOLUMES about the ideological positions you hold as does your sad attempt at character assassination.
I pity your ideologically driven ignorance as it contributes to the the election of morons just like Scott Walker.
rjeyMar 1, 2011
Keep on assuming while rational people point and laugh at you.
eraptorMar 1, 2011
If you're the measure for "rational" people, then I welcome the opposition.
Your vapid responses and refusal to address genuine issues speaks volumes...
flawlessflawFeb 27, 2011
This is NOT anarchy. They demand something from their GOVERNMENT. In fact, separating the unions from the state is more anarchic, since it frees people from their state (and surrender them to the corporations, but that's irrelevant). Right-wing anarchism? Sure, anarchy is not only radical left-wing but spans the entire range, despite what the popular opinion is.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
But they have abandoned the process and are demanding by, as someone else put it, trying to yell the loudest.
If I agreed with their position, and I do not, I would come closer to respecting them if they first attempted a resolution within the political process.
Not even giving that a chance and seeking resolution outside the given processes seems to me to be Anarchy or Chaos, however you wish to characterize it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sabz5150Feb 27, 2011
Dunno if you're talking about the Unions or the Teabaggers.
Yelling the loudest, abandoning political process, yup... sounds about right.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
But that's where you don't seem to be differentiating. The Unions are attempting to subvert the Political Process. The TEA Party JOINED in the political process, working for change from within and so far seem to be experiencing some degree of success.
In Wisconsin at least, the Unions and the Democratic members of the Senate so far are attempting to derail the Political Process.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sabz5150Feb 27, 2011
Neat how you avoided the "yelling the loudest" point.
The Tea Party formed after they lost horribly attempting to change the political process, i.e. the election of Obama. Since then it has drank all the Kool-Aid in the nation and attempts to change politics based on misinformation and bias. Not to mention the "Don't retreat, reload!" rhetoric.
Besides, if Dems in WI are attempting to subvert the political process by shutting down their government, then what are the Republicans in Washington doing?
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Are you even reading what you are writing?? The TEA Party formed in the wake of exorbitant and oppressive Government spending and indebtedness. And they have been working rather successfully WITHIN the political process to effect change. You say so much yourself!!
To me, the point is not yelling the loudest. While you might cite "yelling the loudest" in both instances, in one instance they are trying to subvert Governmental Authority and simply waylay legislation. In the other, again, YET again, they have worked within the system and are using the accepted protocols to effect such change as they can.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
If showing up to a politician's speech with guns is an acceptable part of the political process in your country, I could myself lucky to be Canadian.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
An incredibly foolish liberal asked:
"Besides, if Dems in WI are attempting to subvert the political process by shutting down their government, then what are the Republicans in Washington doing?"
Answer:
Trying to implement sensible, constitutional laws and economic policies despite opposition from the party of Shame -- Democrats. Now, if the GOP had packed up their bags and refused to participate in the political process -- in which Democrats refused to allow them to participate when ramming a failed stimulus and currently illegal ObamaCare down our throats, you might have a valid point. Instead, you just show you don't know what you are talking about. The GOP still showed up and voted. Only Democrats act so childishly and pretend they somehow are doing something worthwhile for working-class Americans when, in fact, they are doing exactly the opposite.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
"If showing up to a politician's speech with guns is an acceptable part of the political process in your country, I could myself lucky to be Canadian."
Not nearly as lucky as we U.S. citizens consider ourselves to be when you say you are Canadian. Obviously, you don't know crap about what goes on here in the United States other than what you pick up from your biased sources on the Internet.
Closed AccountFeb 28, 2011
ethan - Trust me....It would take FAR MORE than that to make ANYONE lucky to be Canadian.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
No, they make unrealistic demands on Wisconsin taxpayers. Interesting to note how liberal-extremists don't connect "their government" with the poor taxpayers stuck footing the bill. And Milwaukee Public School Teachers should be grateful they haven't been fired for their collective failures over the past decade or two. Milwaukee Public Schools are among the nation's worst -- but these idiots would have us pretend these failing teachers are critical.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
@hrearden51
That's funny, it looks like freedom and Democracy to the rest of the country. Leave it to an authoritarian to mistake the two.
I hear Muammar Qaddafi shares your views of fellow citizens, why don't you buy a one-way ticket and join his militia.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
siiiggghhhhh.....I would respond but that's just too stupid. Except to say that I'm not sure the Unions doing the protesting necessarily represent the "rest of the country."
Appears to me you have some people here with concerns that are actually trying to talk to different people with different takes and evaluate their own thoughts and feelings on this matter.
Then you got the dumb a**es that come out and puke out a couple of personal insults, pick their nose's, soil their pants then run back off giggling and hide in the bushes.
Sorry you seem to prefer that group.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
What's wrong? Did I make a direct hit on an exposed, raw nerve? Clearly, you're having a problem dealing with the truth.
The comparison to the dictator in Libya fits because ithe behavior is almost identical (with the exception of the bombing/shooting, which I'm sure the Governor has ALSO considered in his ideologically driven insanity). Instead of realizing that he's WRONG, Scott Walker resorts to deception, manipulation and attacks against the people of Wisconsin. As such, he has brought shame on himself and EVERY Republican/Conservative who supports his disgrace.
The fact that you're resorting to character attacks, name calling and hysteria instead of rational debate is proof that the accusation rings TRUE.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
No. The fact that I'm not dignifying your comment is proof that I find it ignorant and beneath a thoughtful response.
Let me know if you want to take a stab at a reasonable exchange. Aside from that, I think I've exhausted this subject. And I'm not inclined to respond to people that bring nothing to the discussion but sophomoric insults.
Next subject please.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
You say I'm wrong, but provide nothing to back up the assertion. Typical...
Like all bullies and cowards, you choose to run instead of trying to defend what you know is an indefensible position.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I didn't say you're wrong. I said you are ignorant. Or at least, your comments reflect that.
Give me something to work with and I'll have a go at it. Call me names and make stupid assertions and just continue to dangle in the wind.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
Read my original comment. If you can credibly refute the comparison, you'll prove your point. If not, then the criticism and my comments stand on their merit.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I answered the only thing you said vaguely resembling a point.
And I agree. Your criticism and comments stand on their own merit. Zero!
eraptorFeb 27, 2011
There's no point in arguing with ideological morons. Walker will get his due and you're ilk will deservedly lose the political support you lied to get.
As another Republican, Abraham Lincoln, once wisely stated, "you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can NEVER fool all of the people all of the time". If Scott Walker had applied himself and graduated from college, he might have learned something from Lincoln. Instead, you'll both be ignorant, ideologically-driven morons until the end.
Closed AccountFeb 28, 2011
"There's no point in arguing with ideological morons."
Or the regular run of the mill ones either.
Get back with me when you grow up.
Closed AccountFeb 28, 2011
"There's no point in arguing with ideological morons."
Or the regular run of the mill ones either.
Get back with me when you grow up.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
Speaking pure horses**t does not amount to "speaking the truth." The only thing you exposed is your asinine viewpoint. Funny to see you liberal-extremists getting all worked up over real leadership at the state level. Why are you liberals so afraid of change? Whiny public union members in Wisconsin are pissed they won't have the public teat to molest any longer. That's the gist of it.
eraptorFeb 28, 2011
Hey, ike, fell free to step in the batter's box and refute my statements if you think you've got the stones and facts to back them up.
For future reference, I'm hardly a liberal as I've repeatedly told the other rightards on Digg. I simply take ideologues to task when they insist upon forcing their moronic political agendas on decent, hard-working Americans.
Feel free to criticize public union members if you'd like, but don't whine the next time you need a police officer, fireman, teacher or any other state/municipal worker. They're not YOUR free lunch. They provide valuable services to our communities even if self-absorbed morons, like yourself, are too stupid to recognize their economic contributions.
atomic1fireFeb 28, 2011
Anarchy is people who want no government.
These public unions just want the government to give them higher benefits and pay on state dime.
They may accept cuts now, but if they have the right to renegotiate for more later, they can just turn right around and reverse the budget friendly changes when a democrat comes in.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
You have to appreciate the restraint Walker is showing in dealing with these animals. When the time comes he'll do what needs to be done to get them back in their cages and restore the rule of law. It's a good strategy to let them make fools of themselves and force the public to see them for the danger they are. It will make the actions against them all the more reasonable and certain.
At some point when you're confronted with rabid animals your options shrink to one.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
Thanks for the troll comment, troll. We'll not take it into consideration.
ramfire98Feb 27, 2011
Yes, yes, the butt hurt is strong with you
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
swing and a miss. is this one of your other troll accounts i wonder.
the4thaggieFeb 27, 2011
What troll comment? It seems like he copy/pasted Glenn Beck.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
Glenn Beck is the troll king, the one from whom all other trolls are spawned.
I would say that copy-pasting him makes a post a troll post.
pettdog78Feb 28, 2011
He's no more of a troll then you.
kaegroFeb 27, 2011
Holy f**k I'm glad that's a closed account. You just trolled harder than DaveNiv and hreaden combined.
anomaly100Feb 27, 2011Submitter
That's not an easy task. He'll be back later using a proxy and new digg account, just like last time: http://i52.tinypic.com/2roi976.jpg
kaegroFeb 27, 2011
Holy f**k I'm glad that's a closed account. You just trolled harder than DaveNiv and hreaden combined.
abaydenFeb 27, 2011
If Xe (former Blackwater) shows up and shoots the police, the next election in Wisconsin will be mostly contested between the democrats and the some party with a word like "workers" or "socialist" in the name.
johnnr2Feb 27, 2011
Solidarity!
sarahleeFeb 27, 2011
That is what it will take to change things. Hope we can all stick together.
tcbishop12Feb 27, 2011
Agreed.
anomaly100Feb 27, 2011Submitter
Tea Partiers descended on Washington DC, rallying against the economy just after Obama was sworn in. This is about the economy, yet they don't understand this is patriotic, but that was them being used by corporate America. Their intentions may have been good in the beginning, but they were used.
kalifani6Feb 27, 2011
They are still being given waay too much credit.Their intentions were never good.They just used economy as an excuse.The proof is in when they were formed.
rblancarteFeb 27, 2011
You give them WAY too much credit. They never understood ANYTHING that was going on. They simply were told some buzzwords that caught their attention and latched on.
If they understood anything, they would have realized that they were A) campaigning against their own interests and B) simply being used for someone else's bidding.
They still are.
chadster1000Feb 27, 2011
Now this is awesome. Usually, the rich own the police, it's nice to see otherwise.
anomaly100Feb 27, 2011Submitter
Isn't it just amazing? Firefighters, teachers, police and a host of others, including other countries standing beside us for workers' rights.
darkshroudFeb 27, 2011
Yeah not because they're all union members who will be affected.
bookantFeb 27, 2011
Except they aren't, the Police and Firefighters unions were exempted.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
Walker's a dick, but he's not stupid - good luck running a police state without making friends with the police.
I'm sure glad it didn't work out for him.
ike5266Feb 28, 2011
"Firefighters, teachers, police and a host of others, including other countries standing beside us for workers' rights."
You limousine liberals pretending to have solidarity with the "working man" crack me up. Obama and liberals wouldn't recognize a working man even if their limos ran over one.
What these union thugs don't realize is, they are proving exactly why Walker is right to stand up for Wisconsin taxpayers, who no longer can afford the raping they've taken at the hands of the public employees -- many of whom don't even earn the money they are paid -- particularly Milwaukee Public School teachers.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
abaydenFeb 27, 2011
The rich attacked "those overpaid state employees". Police are also state employees. They understand they are next in the line of cuts. Besides that they also have family members who will have jobs / wages / services cut.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
They're permitted to protest on their off-time. And what cannot be tolerated is their refusing a lawful order. Fire them all if necessary.
jsalatheFeb 27, 2011
and then what?
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Hire news ones. If they won't follow lawful orders it is pointless to have them taking up space.
jsalatheFeb 27, 2011
and on ad infinitum until the world works just the way you want it to, right?
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
We differ here. You're okay with a rogue police force because this time, if this actually happens, the rogue non-action is something you agree with.
My position is, you CANNOT accept a police force that refuses direct lawful orders.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
We differ here. You're okay with a rogue police force because this time, if this actually happens, the rogue non-action is something you agree with.
My position is, you CANNOT accept a police force that refuses direct lawful orders.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mlw4428Feb 28, 2011
It's their "off time" as you've said. How are they bound to carry out orders when they're not in:
A) Uniform
B) On the job
especially considering there's no public safety concern. They have the right to tell Walker to piss off. Now they should arrest his ass for conspiracy to commit violent crimes (such as planting violent protesters in the protest) as well as impeach his sorry ass for his unethical methods.
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
They can do whatever they want when they're off duty and out of uniform. But if the Gov gives them a lawful order and any officers refuse, do you agree they should be fired?
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
They can do whatever they want when they're off duty and out of uniform. But if the Gov gives them a lawful order and any officers refuse, do you agree they should be fired?
gransaterFeb 27, 2011
Isn't part of what's going on the idea that the governor has to such a degree overstepped his authority, that his orders do not carry the force, normally associated with that office.
Seem to recall some guards at the Nazi concentration camps tried to use the excuse of lawfully given orders, but were rejected by tribunal judges, who said they should have used judgment, and realized those orders were wrong on many levels.
Remember, people will only allow themselves to be ruled under two circumstances.
1 . under duress and threat of severe harm.
2 . Willingly, if those ruling stay within good grace of the populace, by staying within what is perceived as "right". Overstep, and at some point the populace will react, as what is currently happening.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Oh, good grief. You're likening Gov Walker's legal authority given to him by the voters of Wisconsin to the Nazis?
Stick with that one. Please. And get all your friends to do the same.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gransaterFeb 27, 2011
You understand context really well now, don't you..................
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
Nazi comparisons are admittedly excessive, but his comparison is valid, and can you think of another widely known example of people being held accountable for their actions even though they were only following orders?
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
@ethanleduc
What are you talking about? The governor can order these people removed. It's not an illegal order just because you don't like it. And the governor IS accountable -- to the voters at the next election.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
The orders given to nazis were legal under the abomination that passed for German law at the time.
Neither of us claimed the governer was violating the law; his point was that people should think about whether or not what they're doing is right, regardless of whether or not it's simply them upholding the law or following a direct order from a superior.
ethanleducFeb 28, 2011
The orders given to nazis were legal under the abomination that passed for German law at the time.
Neither of us claimed the governer was violating the law; his point was that people should think about whether or not what they're doing is right, regardless of whether or not it's simply them upholding the law or following a direct order from a superior.
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
@ethanieduc
You're saying that every day, each police officer can chose which lawful order to follow?
Or can they only refuse orders that YOU don't like?
Or only refuse orders when there's a crowd of people yelling?
ramfire98Feb 27, 2011
Nice bit of wealth envy you have going on there.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Did he really say the rich OWN the police?
kalifani6Feb 27, 2011
Owwhoo! Wisconsin PD - The most honorable cops on the planet! I salute thee!
jarysmFeb 27, 2011
I'm with Vimes. Looks like the Watchers watch themselves.
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
Walker thought this would be a tipping point, but I think it didn't tip the direction he thought it would :)
shoelessschippaFeb 27, 2011
Yeah, I don't think this will translate well in the next election out here.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Oh really? You mean the Wisconsin voters will reverse themselves and decide they DO want to be bankrupted paying union wages and pensions?
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
The teachers union took a 3% pay cut last year and agreed to the increased contributions to their benefits. As always, you are lying.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
What? Lying about what?
The voters didn't CHOSE Gov Walker and his agenda? The voters didn't CHOSE Republicans to put in the state senate?
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
"bankrupted paying union wages and pensions"
They agreed to everything other than busting their union which has noting to do with money.
lie lie lie
SGD84Feb 27, 2011
I have a question for you, do you think the money America sending to Egypt and the money spent on war etc is money well spent? Cuz the way i see it those "Billions?" will do far more good in the service of the American people an their pensions and union wages and maybe improve the quality of public services and education then spreading misery and bringing bankruptcy to America. And where the hell are the government getting all this money from?? Selling Government bonds to China and National reserve? Im just saying,why should the people suffer for political incompetence and idelogi?
Note that I have no political affiliation in terms of American politics.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
The states don't have any wars going in foreign countries, do they? And if the voters decide to elect Federal officials who spend less on the military or foreign aid, then the money saved should go to less taxes. Not overpaying public servants.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
SGD84Feb 27, 2011
Im sorry, money spent on "foreign occupation" then, i just used the war as an example cuz it has a great deal to do whit Americas bankruptcy. And in which terms are teachers,police and firefighters overpaid? You obviously have insight on how to value the different public services.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
The states don't have any wars going in foreign countries, do they? And if the voters decide to elect Federal officials who spend less on the military or foreign aid, then the money saved should go to less taxes. Not overpaying public servants.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jsalatheFeb 27, 2011
Do you know any teachers? Would you consider them overpaid?
I do know teachers and they are paid so little they need a second income to support their family.
I started as a tea-partier in the first month or so of the movement, but I was flabbergasted by the stupidity of my co-partiers and so abandoned it.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
I know lots of teachers. In NY state they are overpaid. Likewise, New Jersey, California. Other states I don't know.
In this state, teachers used to get extra jobs during the summer. That was decades ago.
In NY, they hit as high as $120k, depending on this district..Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjeyFeb 27, 2011
@jsalathe, maybe you should check into the entire compensation of teachers in Milwaukee before talking out your ass.
And don't be an ass, include the whole figure for wages + benefit package.
Hint: the AVERAGE is over $100K.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
@rjey
He'll probably say they deserve it.
Social justice, you know.
Speakin' Truth to Powa, yo.
shoelessschippaFeb 27, 2011
Thats my guess, just like they did after getting Obama and Democrats into power in '08. It's not that hard to believe that the people of this country change their minds once one party dives head first into their agenda.
It's pretty obvious this bill not only works towards the budget, but is taking big steps into weakening the public unions. I bet in the next Gubernatorial election the fire, police and maybe state troopers unions don't back Walker.
That along with Republicans passing some other key legislature during the next few years, which often translates into a weaker turnout in the next election, Walker could very well be out of office after one term...thats my hope anyways.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
If the voters turn Walker out next time then the laws can change. And the new governor should then expect the police to follow HIS lawful orders.
shoelessschippaFeb 27, 2011
Im pretty sure that this bill will pass, Walker has already shown his unwillingness to negotiate or budge on any part of this bill, and the Democrats cannot stay out of state forever. Unfortunately, this bill will pass.
But as you say, during the next election we can vote someone in who can give the workers their voices back, while hopefully keeping the budget.
The police should continue to enforce the law, agreed. So they may end up fired...which is probably what Walker was going to do anyways.
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
@shoeless...
Exactly. I agree...this is the system working.
I can't agree with your statement "Walker has already shown his unwillingness to negotiate or budge"
The statement is correct. I can't agree with the characterization, that's all.
See, we would say, " "Walker has already shown his unwillingness to BREAK HIS PROMISE TO VOTERS."
Minor point, I know.
mlw4428Feb 28, 2011
Except that this bill is unethical, immoral, and an outright lie to the WI voters. Also "reversing" these laws aren't all as easy as you'd think. There's repercussions that go FAR beyond WI. Many states are watching to see what WI will do...if the bill passes MANY states will try to do the same.
To paraphrase Captain Picard (First Contact):
"We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!"
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
"unethical, immoral, and an outright lie "
You're entitled to your opinion.
mlw4428Feb 28, 2011
Opinion? Have you read this bill? Do you understand what this bill is doing?
1) This bill is trying to quash collective bargaining for the unions. A right which doesn't impact the budget.
2) It was to cut benefits (something that has been agreed to in lieu of losing #1).
3) It gives Scotty the right to sell off (in a no-bid contract should he wish) some of WI's public utilities.
It just so happens to be that #3 also falls right in line with the Koch brothers do for their business. It also explains why they gave him so much money for his campaign. It's why during the phone call Walker mentioned being flown out to CA for a little "vacation" (a kickback from the Koch brothers) and also why he was willing to plant people that were PAID TO BE VIOLENT in a protest.
I keep bringing up the fact that he was willing to plant violent people. He admitted to it. You don't comment on that, why is that? Nothing to say about a coward?
enantiodromiaFeb 27, 2011
your comments are like a dictionary of logical fallacy. is that intentional, or are you just bad at thinking?
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
Some of your comments are generic insults that can be inserted anywhere. Do you keep them pre-written in a text file?
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
Some of your comments are generic insults that can be inserted anywhere. Do you keep them pre-written in a text file?
kasha34Feb 28, 2011
Some of your comments are generic insults that can be inserted anywhere. Do you keep them pre-written in a text file?
elipabstFeb 28, 2011
."You mean the Wisconsin voters will reverse themselves and decide they DO want to be bankrupted paying union wages and pensions?"
No, they just want a governor who doesn't manufacturer a budget crisis by cutting taxes for businesses and then use it as an excuse to destroy teachers unions
absaysthisFeb 27, 2011
Nice to see some Unity.. A wonderful opportunity to remind everyone what Of the People, By the People and For the People means.
Closed AccountFeb 28, 2011
What if for the "people" only serves some of the people (government employees). In a time when we all need to tighten our "financial belts" the private sector has been forced to lay off employees, but the public sector has not done the same. In order to maintain a budget, layoffs of public sector employees will be necessary, otherwise, we are only punishing the "people" (taxpayers). It is time to think about both groups and do what is best for the whole. It would seem to me that the union is not doing what is best for the "people" but what is best for themselves.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stacyjk1Feb 27, 2011
hm... example of new social revolution.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I hope they lose their jobs as well
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I hope they lose their jobs as well
kc9eciFeb 27, 2011
Same story I posted 9 hours previous. http://digg.com/story/r/wisconsin_police_have_joined_protest_inside_state_capitol
RatranFeb 27, 2011
For the first time in a long time I am proud to be an American. This is what real democracy and the right to free speech to all about, people!
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Democracy is about police refusing the lawful orders of elected officials?
Kind of pointless to vote then, isn't it? So whoever yells the loudest is in charge?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
kasha - Exactly. Succinct. Concise. And to the point.
justokFeb 27, 2011
i thought they were talking aboot the Wii police.
miaward16Feb 27, 2011
This would have been over by now if they had a right to bare arms
bookantFeb 27, 2011
You mean because it's winter in Wisconsin, and anyone wearing a tank top would've frozen their asses off by now?
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Up for humor. :-)
rincon62Feb 27, 2011
Hope all the police back up the people in all the states that are trying to do this
rincon62Feb 27, 2011
Hope all the police back up the people in all the states that are trying to do this
skews13Feb 27, 2011
And once again the wingnuts way overestimate their position. Do these fools actually believe that if Walker got his way, that would be the end of it? LOL. Let me give you rightwing asswipes some advice. Prepare for a long hard slog, that will last many years, and many elections in which the workers will win in the end. As they always do. :D
langfordFeb 27, 2011
Police and emergency services were left out of the deal when the govenor decided to start eliminating the basic human rights of the state's workers. Looks like divide and conquer tactic didn't work as well as they had planned.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Collective bargaining of state employees to extort more tax dollars out of the government is by no means a basic human right in pretty much any legal context at all. And unions forcing the collection of dues from all state employees to use for lobbying for the election of public officials isn't either. In fact both are just destructive and wrong.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
Negotiation is not extortion. Union membership falls under free association and that isn't how union dues work.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Public unions should no more be allowed than complete monopolies over any one industry. Private unions have businesses that compete for labor. Public unions have only one employer that either hires them at nearly whatever contract the union presents or does not function (when it must by law do so).
Private unions are fune. Public unions use extortion against the interest of the public.
Genuine free association would consist of private organizations lobbying on behalf of the workers with voluntary contributions. Lobar unions are not that, they are in the position of both lobbying and direct bargaining. You are wrong no matter how many of the unthinking pro-public union people on this site digg me down. Public unions have played a huge part in making government infective in America and will continue to do so as long as they are given so much monopolistic control over public employees.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
The way Unions do it, it is. Give us what we want or we close you down.
serrisFeb 27, 2011
Does it get tiring holding all of your bulls**t fantasies in your head all the time, you ignorant, stupid person?
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
serris = boxo the clown - I don't think I need to say anything else.
killermothFeb 27, 2011
I'm with the unions but I haven't read anything where such an order was officially given.
laurahoustonFeb 27, 2011
if you google, there is an order with the capitial police for 'sunday at 5' to 'remove people' The gov of w also sent the state police out to homes to "bring back a democrat" so he can force his vote. Gov. must have some monday deadlines and not care to work weekends!
""At 4 p.m. Sunday the Capitol Police plan to close the building and return to normal business hours. Protesters say police have told them they will begin removing anyone who refuses to leave at 5 p.m., and officers started registering occupants of the building, the first time they've done so since the Capitol was first occupied 13 days ago. ""
laurahoustonFeb 27, 2011
if you google, there is an order with the capitial police for 'sunday at 5' to 'remove people' The gov of w also sent the state police out to homes to "bring back a democrat" so he can force his vote. Gov. must have some monday deadlines and not care to work weekends!
""At 4 p.m. Sunday the Capitol Police plan to close the building and return to normal business hours. Protesters say police have told them they will begin removing anyone who refuses to leave at 5 p.m., and officers started registering occupants of the building, the first time they've done so since the Capitol was first occupied 13 days ago. ""
db8fanFeb 27, 2011
The police are against Scott Walker's tyranny...
ramfire98Feb 27, 2011
Citation?
ferretmanFeb 27, 2011
Wow....I know where there are hopefully going to be some job openings for cops....
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
I agree. You refuse the order? You're fired. Who's next?
There will be people coming from out-of-state to fill those jobs.
bwiiiFeb 27, 2011
I just wish the Democrat Representatives who are shirking their jobs will come back and vote. Democracy is important to Democrats, yes?
bwiiiFeb 27, 2011
I just wish the Democrat Representatives who are shirking their jobs will come back and vote. Democracy is important to Democrats, yes?
scamper22Feb 27, 2011
public sector gangsters always stick together in their extortion operations.
One day, we'll get freedom from these thugs.
turk397Feb 27, 2011
I'm buying a Packers hat, not for the football team, but for the protesters.
ren1999Feb 27, 2011
This makes me very hopeful and happy that the police are backing up the teachers. The police know that their jobs are next up on the chopping block and they've done the right thing.
Remember that Walker created this deficit single-handedly by giving his rich friends tax breaks, health savings packages, no-bid contracts and incentives in return for his election victory and a free family vacation to the Super Bowl at the tax payers' expense! THAT IS LEGALIZED GRAFT AND BRIBERY by the way.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Umm you need to not get all of your "facts" from Rachel Maddow... she takes creative liberties.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Remember, the voters CHOSE him.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
ren - You realize what you are saying has already been disproved many times over including Maddow's shilling to that effect??
jefftsFeb 27, 2011
Pink slips for all. Failure to show up for work and failure to follow orders is what would get you fired in the private sector. The same should apply equally to those in public sector unions. But "fair" and "equal" from the Left is only applicable when it gives them a net gain politically.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
garyhebFeb 27, 2011
If you will all notice, this story is not being reported by msnbc. fox news, or any of the other major news organizations that iv checked. I find that interesting. If it is being reported, its buried in somewhere and i would appreciate a link.
psypher1Feb 27, 2011
I almost got a tear I my eye when read this!!
ATTENTION ALL COPS, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE AND PROTECT! PLEASE TAKE NOTE AS WONDERFULLY DEMONSTRATED BY THE WISCONSIN POLICE!!
My faith in my nation just came back a little!
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Yes, refusing lawful orders from elected officials....bad.
Taking orders from whoever yells loudest? Good.
You lefties are too much.
psypher1Feb 27, 2011
Seriously?? And your automatic gag response is to call me a lefty?? Then you completely don't have an inkling of the purpose of the Constitution.... Rarely do see police stand up to their sworn duty, which happens to be to our Constitution. If someone is trying to be the got damn king, they need to be booted the f**k out.....understand???
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
C'mon now, be specific. What is unconstitutional about what Gov Walker is doing? You know, I haven't seen anyone anywhere say what he's doing is unconstitutional. But maybe you know better.
Let us know.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
psy - Sure. How will you feel about it if they arbitrarily decide to "Serve and Protect" means they don't have to obey the Dispatcher when he sends them to your aid??Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
psypher1Feb 27, 2011
New York City, Chicago, Detroit & Gary, IN. I know all about that!! But there are cops out there with a good heart, and I know some, and they are usually the odd ones out and the most pressured because corruption has been so widespread and rampant. It is possible for good cop to loose their life at the hands of bad cops.....! That is why when I see a demonstration of cops staying true to the people that seriously hits my heart.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
You missed hrearden51's point. If they can dismiss the governor's order, then can ignore anyone's order. How 'bout when you're getting mugged. Is it okay if they just tell their Captain they're too busy?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
psypher1Feb 27, 2011
I see your point, but what we don't know is if ALL the police we're there, which I would assume they wouldn't just do that but send a group representing the people, we would have to investigate to see if that was the case, lets do that cause I am curious!
Again, the other side to this that needs to be seen is that in their judgement, they decided to stand with the people and ignore the dictator, actually the police was serving the people as they should, its in their oath.
serrisFeb 27, 2011
Yeah, that's gonna happen because of a political protest. Thanks for being so open about making up idiotic bulls**t this time. You have my condolences for your all too apparent degenerative brain disorder, which must even now be consuming what few neurons you had firing in the first place.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Don't you hate that. You are going along, having a constructive conversation and all of a sudden here comes someone like serris doing nothing but insulting people and derailing the conversation.
kasha - Of course the point was missed, or ignored. Once you set the precedent, who draws the line? What draws the line?
psypher1Feb 27, 2011
I actually do agree with the point once I reexamined it. But as I just said to kasha it wasn't confirmed if ALL of them were there, but invited kasha and you as well to research how this was handled, I would like to think that they wouldn't just leave the city bare like that lol! but I still commend their stance for the people.
Serris is to be ignored, nothing to see in his area!
jsffiveFeb 27, 2011
It's all about enforcing the law... until THEIR wallets are affected.
I think the police are showing their true colors.
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
Protesting isn't against the law. I have this strange suspicion that you would be portraying all of this very differently if it were a bunch or redneck baggers protesting.
serrisFeb 27, 2011
Police and Firefighters unions are unaffected by Walker's proposal, so their wallets are right where they've been. But by all means, feel like you're entitled to have an opinion regardless of knowing what the f**k you're talking about, as you clearly don't.
carldubFeb 27, 2011
Now that's cool.
xaervagonFeb 27, 2011
It is one thing to put fiscal austerity in place.
It is another to put the public unions back in their place (which I think a few need to be taken down a peg - bury me if you will).
It is entirely another thing to wage war against what is left of the middle class like this WI governor in the name of fiscal austerity.
The People need to throw Walker out on his ass just to show that the ultra-rich shills and corporate goons can be put back in their place even if elected.
NewsMeBackFeb 27, 2011
People unite.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I'm ready to unite against the tyranny of public unions.
serrisFeb 27, 2011
You might see the world a little bit more clearly when you wipe Beck's spunk out of your eyes.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
I guess you find it hard to know what it feels like to not be raped by public unions.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
Is the state run by the elected leader or by whoever yells the loudest?
And there's an elegant solution.Any cop that actually refuses a direct order must be fired. All of them , if necessary.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diggduggjoeFeb 27, 2011
Teachers, too. With all the budget problems, to spend millions on teacher compensation when they faked illness is pure waste. It is fraud, too.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
I agree. Plus phony doctor's notes....those doctor should have their licenses suspended.
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
I'm sure that wouldn't have any repercussions you f**king idiot.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
There are worse repercussions allowing police to refuse direct lawful orders from their superiors. That cannot be tolerated.
You f**king idiot. Do you know you still sound a bit insecure?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chilidogsFeb 27, 2011
Just because it comes from the governor does not make it lawful. The right to protest does not have a time limit on it. Why don't you take a second to imagine that it were a protest by a bunch of teabag rednecks that the governor had ordered broken up? I'm sure you would have the same response. You are a f**king moron.
How many cops is it that you think should be fired? You think that there are enough qualified people just waiting for those jobs? You would replace an entire city pd with people with no experience? You are a f**king moron.
mtnmusicmanFeb 27, 2011
I'd try to talk you down, but your on a roll... Proceed ;)
serrisFeb 27, 2011
You keep whining and bitching about anarchy as though you have a clue, and your brilliant plan is to summarily fire hundreds of police and firefighters from all over the state? You really think that that would demote a state of anarchy?
By the way, stop repeating the same stupid bulls**t about yelling the loudest. This board has collectively ignored you the first dozen times you've spouted it off, not that it was -ever- clever enough to warrant saying more than once, and it will continue to collectively ignore you the next dozen times.
That's because you're a dumbass who doesn't understand the situation nor the political rhetoric that you're so ignorantly leveling at it. Just wanted to clarify.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
note to bozo's mommy - Take away his Fisher Price Laptop and put him in timeout.
kasha34Feb 27, 2011
And I certainly didn't use the word "anarchy."
It's police, according to this article, that would be refusing a lawful order.
Following lawful orders IS the job. If you can't do it, you're no use to us.
What do firemen have to do with it?
BTW, do you realize your comment said essentially nothing? I'll give you a chance to correct that. Are you in favor of allowing police to refuse lawful orders?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pendrachkenFeb 27, 2011
Prove that it's a lawful order. We, the people of the United States of America, have the constitutional RIGHT to peaceably assemble. It does not matter if we chose to gather in public or a private place that allows it. The Capitol building is a public place, it is entirely funded by WI. taxpayer money. What governor s**t-for-brains tried to tell the police force to do was a violation of our constitutional rights. The police force was entirely correct when they basically told him to f**k off.
At least last I checked, a state is _not_ allowed to deny anyone their constitutional rights.
laurahoustonFeb 27, 2011
You rrrreallyyy hate America don't you? or at least Wisconsin!
grumpyoldmanFeb 27, 2011
Kinda like those Libyan pilots that defected rather than fire on their fellow Libyans ;)
So what does that say about whackadoodle Tea Party munkees???
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2011
Greece is a much better analogy.
b3owulfFeb 28, 2011
Nothing like that at all.