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neotechniJul 31, 2011
There is literally no difference.
UncleRuckuJul 31, 2011
History is not happenstance: it is conspiratorial. Carefully planned and executed by people in power.
biotchJul 31, 2011
“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”
-Napoleon
LowandBeholdJul 31, 2011
What's the difference. Let me think now. NONE. Tell it to the tea party.
UncleRuckuJul 31, 2011
Never forget that Hitler was a Catholic.
LowandBeholdAug 1, 2011
So Hitler was the Pope. We can conclude that the same way they conclude that all Muslims are terrorists.
superkendallJul 31, 2011
The Tea Party has nothing to do with religion. They are wholly based on a desire for smaller government and reduced spending.
The Democratic party has NAMBLA members, are you saying the entire party advocates man-boy love?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
noctuJul 31, 2011
the old tea party had nothing to do with religion till it got hijacked by quacks like sarah palin now its a bunch of nut cases
LowandBeholdAug 1, 2011
Your comment is so misguided or full of s**t. I can't decide. The baggers are all about god and religion.
Closed AccountJul 31, 2011
Can we just f**king grow up? I mean, when it comes to, say, gun control, people will admit, no, it's not the guns that are to blame for murder, it's people. Why can't we just accept that the same is true with religion - religions don't cause murder, people do.
dcjoedogv2Jul 31, 2011
Well, to be fair to the gun. We never set aside a special day where we are told the gun is god, and creator of all every time we went their.
spacecowb0yJul 31, 2011
Not to mention, we don't have a strong spiritual connection to the gun and we don't follow a blind set of rules to live our lives set by the gun. A gun is simply a tool, religion is not a tool, but the people who follow them are. :D
murxJul 31, 2011
Somehow this reminds me of Warhammer 40K.... going through the proper rites preparing your bolter, the prayers, the litany to ensure the bolter doesn't jam.
At least the God Emperor exists!
"The Emperor protects"
:)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chrisinsocalifAug 1, 2011
Guns don't have dogma, a system of belief or ways to brainwash and delude children and adults. I would consider guns to religion an inaccurate comparison. Religion promotes violence and murder, guns are used as a tool for such actions.
noidea107Aug 1, 2011
Yeah, totally. When I went to Sunday school they told me flat out "kill everyone". Yup..those evil Sunday school teachers, wanting me to kill everyone who is different.
You're funny because you sound exactly like Breivik with that attitude.
Why? Because he said the same damn thing about Muslims and that's why he did this s**t.
chrisinsocalifAug 1, 2011
The bible promotes the killing of people and even innocent women and children. There are also many other poor acts promoted by the bible in the old Testament. Some people enforce or teach different aspects of what the bible says and others do not. Creationists pick and choose which verses to follow and verses to dismiss.
noidea107Aug 1, 2011
First of all, taking the bible as one book and judging the entire thing as one book is stupid. It's different texts written by different people that the Catholic church one day bundled together. Parts of it are relevant, parts are not.
"But they pick and choose!".
And so did the people who put the f**king book together to begin with..
I guess what I'm getting at, you can't generalize something as complex as Christianity. You're summing it up with "it says to kill everyone!" but I've never met a single Christian who believes anything even remotely similar to that. I know I don't..
I mean really, where in the bible does Jesus say "Kill everyone you disagree with"? Christians listen to Christ, that's why they are Christians.
As for creationism, how the f**k is that even relevant? I'm not talking about goddamn evolution.
chrisinsocalifAug 2, 2011
Deu 17:12, kill people who reject what priests preach, Kill Gay people Lev 20:13; Kill whoever strikes their father or mother Exo 21:15; Kill kids who curse their parents Lev;, Anyone who doesnt follow the lord shall be put to death Chron15:12; Kill an entire village, women children, babies even livestock if led astray Deu. 13:13-19; kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night Deu; Kill people who follow other religions Deut 13:7-12, infadels and gays should die Romans 1:24-32; the list goes on. As for creationists, you believe God created everything therefore you fall in that category. The bible promotes killing people in numerous evil deeds in different books. Pretty evil but thankfully your Sunday school teacher didn't focus on teaching you such evil deeds suggested in the bible, but some do.
noidea107Aug 2, 2011
So where was the part where Christ said to kill people?
Nice use of google. But still, you didn't answer the question considering all your quotes came from the old testament and the only one from the New wasn't from Jesus.
"As for creationists, you believe God created everything therefore you fall in that category."
So being religious instantly means I don't believe in evolution? Nice logic there..makes total sense. Never mind the fact that even the freaking pope believes in evolution.
You obviously didn't read what I wrote very carefully. Let me explain this to you very simply.
THIS. s**t. IS. NOT. BLACK. AND. WHITE.
Got that? Good. Because it's the truth.
Fact is, you can find justification for violence in any ideology. To think otherwise is just naive as hell.
Still, you can nitpick all you want. Christianity as a whole doesn't tell you to go around killing people. That isn't to say ChristianS never do, but that's less the fault of the religion and more the fault of people's own prejudices. Just like in Islam. Just like in Hinduism. Just like in Atheism.
What? You think atheists don't kill people when they feel they have a reason to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29
Fact is, things are complicated and you can't generalize an entire religion like you do. It's uneducated and if you ever actually read the bible closer then just looking on google and jumping at bits you don't like you'd realize that fact.
I mean really, pray tell what is so f**king horrible about "blessed are the peacemakers" or "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or "love thy neighbor as you love thyself, on this hangs all of the law and the prophets".
Oh s**t, what was that last one?
"on this hangs all of the law and the prophets"
Funfact, they call that the great commandment. Pretty great right?
What I'm getting at is that in all my travels I have never met a single human being who believes we should kill homosexuals or people who aren't virgins. Because believe it or not, the Christian community as a whole knows damn well that s**t is insane and completely irrelevant to modern society. Even if they don't use those words.
I honestly don't care what you believe. But if you are going to pretend over a billion people are violent fanatics you should at least learn about the complexities of this s**t. You obviously didn't. Not to sound condescending but there is a reason Christians always talk about this "new covenant" s**t. They aren't just covering their asses as much as you'd like to believe that. They truly believe that.
So quoting Mosaic law to try to badmouth Christianity is just uneducated in that respect. Christians don't follow Mosaic law. Even if some of them did in the past they sure as f**k don't now.
Hell, not even Jews do. And they are actually supposed to.
By the way, there are gay preachers and the Anglican church just decided to allow openly gay bishops.
I imagine your mind is pretty blown right now.
Anyway, do continue assuming you know what my religion teaches better then me, my entire family, and the priest who taught me this s**t to begin with and who's been studying it his whole life.
Really, keep right on doing it.
noidea107Aug 1, 2011
Because that makes too much sense.
Don't you know? People need something they can irrationally blame for all evil in the world, otherwise the true complexity of it all will drive the entire human race mad! Society would collapse!
We need mindless hate to stop the information overlord from killing us all!
irrationalistJul 31, 2011
Welcome to how Atheists have been thinking since .... well forever.
usarugulaJul 31, 2011
Funny that this was submitted by a user who consistently bashes Muslims as a whole while defending Christians on a case-by-case basis. I guess he finally realized he was unable to escape Breivik's religion and decided to go for the "but they do it too" angle.
maxell101Jul 31, 2011
Or he's trying to get more front pages because bashing Muslims isn't going to make you popular except at stormfront.
elliotysJul 31, 2011
"he is not a true Christian"
"he is not a true muslim"
And so on and so on. You know what? Maybe these people ARE the TRUE Christians and Muslims. If your willing to kill/die for your cause then I consider you a true believer. Though coming from me, that
Is hardly a compliment.
pinkfish411Jul 31, 2011
So if I killed in the name of pacifism, would that make me a "true believer" in pacifism?
isaac7719Jul 31, 2011
Methinks there is a difference between pacifism and religion that you are ignoring...
quantumdJul 31, 2011
Pacifism is a moral value, and moral values are just one facet of a religion. Pacifist sects exist in almost every iteration of popular religion. If you're a pacifist that kills, you're just a walking contradiction.
pinkfish411Jul 31, 2011
That's my point, though. Killing out of "dedication" to some belief system isn't true dedication if the killing contradicts the system. Given that most Christians wouldn't sympathize with this act of terror and that there's nothing in the Christian scriptures that trained exegetes interpret as justifying it, you either need to be an idiot or be looking for any excuse to knock Christianity to think that this is what authentic Christian commitment looks like.
neotechniJul 31, 2011
But religion says its ok to kill, especially islam, pacifism doesnt
pinkfish411Jul 31, 2011
I'm not talking about pacifism; that was hyperbole to illustrate my point: you can't show real dedication to cause by actively contradicting said cause. The Christian cause has nothing to do with going out and slaughtering a bunch of innocent kids because you're a lunatic. Doing that might show dedication to a cause, but it's not the cause Jesus talked about: "Love God with all your heart and soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself."
mirzaadJul 31, 2011
Especially Islam? Despite the fact that it's an Abrahamic faith with basic structures the same as the other major religions?
It really angers me when people bleat on about how violent Islam is. I live next door to a muslim. He is married, with a good job and a lovely family. They have never been anything but welcoming and friendly.
Yes there are muslim extremists and yes they pose a threat to the western world. But writing every muslim off as a one is akin to bigotry and ignorance - no better that the extremists themselves.
I would guess that you have never really met a muslim. Never read the quran (apart from some appropriately googled quotes to support your regurgitated claims) and never taken any steps to understand the people who follow it.
neotechniAug 1, 2011
"It really angers me when people bleat on about how violent Islam is. "
It really angers me when people bleat on about people pointing out how violent islam is.
Read wikipedia's article on criticism of islam. The bloody religion gets pissed off whenever you talk about giving people rights. They went and rewrote whats considered to be inalienable human rights, to remove rights like being able to think for yourself or be gay. As a lesbian, how am I supposed to accept a religion that openly gives the death penalty for what I am?
You get the British Lords saying Sharia law conflicts with human rights.
You get the US Govt counter terrorism website saying islam is responsible for more terrorist attacks than all other religions combined
You get the islamic religious police on 2 occasions choosing to throw little girls back in a burning building because they werent wearing a hijab
You get assh**e muslims complaining cause Police sent out postcards with a picture of a puppy, demanding the police apologize cause dogs are evil.
You know whats sick? Hitler was a dog love, and nazis didnt throw their own daughters back in a burning building.
"Yes there are muslim extremists"
Their not extremists, they're the norm.
"But writing every muslim off as a one is akin to bigotry and ignorance "
Wikipedia has results of surveys taken where in some areas its as high as 1/3 and 1/2 of mulsims approving of al qaeda attacks on innocent civilians. With numbers that high, it's ignorant/suicidal NOT write off every muslim.
Call me when their own leaders tell their followers to stop trying to kill the danish cartoonist and his grand daughter. Cause right now they refuse to. Or when they stop refusing to ban underage/pedophile marriages, claiming they cant cause it wasnt banned in their quran.
"I would guess that you have never really met a muslim"
I have. I was beside one when I was told about 9/11, his words were "The US deserved it". I work with one I thought was OK, till she said the danish cartoonist deserved the attempts on his and his grandchildren's lives.
"Never read the quran (apart from some appropriately googled quotes to support your regurgitated claims) "
So you're trying to excuse things like this:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Because it supports me?
"and never taken any steps to understand the people who follow it."
I have. It's you who haven't. I know all about islam. If you did, you wouldn't be sticking up for it.
We have jihadofthesoul here claiming islam is beautiful, while saying the penalty for a cheating wife is death, or petty theft is losing your hand. How am I not supposed to think its violent when we have wannabee terrorists on this site advertising it's evils, and pretending they're good?
noidea107Aug 1, 2011
Islam says it's okay to kill in self defense. Christianity says to pretty much let your ass get martyred.
But do continue thinking in stereotype..
noidea107Aug 1, 2011
You really have to learn to make a distinction between Islam as a religion and Islam as a political ideology, because if you look even a little closer you realize they are two very different things.
I don't see the Sufis stoning people in the streets. Most Muslims aren't involved in that kind of stuff either, nor do they agree with it.
Every religion contains within it a wide diversity of belief. Islam is no different. You can nitpick little bits and pieces you hate. You can do that with everything. But in the big picture it isn't telling anybody to kill anybody else or to be bad people.
This is about the time when you are going to go on google and look up violent verses in the Quran. As somebody who has actually read the damn thing, I am going to tell you flat out that every single quote I've seen from that book showing how "violent" is taken horribly out of context.
I've met enough Muslims in my life to know that they aren't bad people and the vast majority are just like you, in that all they want is to be able to live their lives without getting screwed over.
Christians are the same way. So are Jews and atheists and everything else.
You can't fight hate with hate and you can't expect to solve problems in the middle east by mindlessly attacking their culture, even the parts that are benign.
deathray2kJul 31, 2011
Uh, a lot of the Old Testament encourages murder of anyone and everyone who disagrees with your belief. And the New Testament specifies that you cannot set aside the teachings of the Old Testament.
Therefore, arguably, any Christian who doesn't advocate the slaughter of nonbelievers isn't a true Christian!
pinkfish411Jul 31, 2011
The OT doesn't encourage murdering anyone who disagrees with your beliefs. It dictates the banning of certain pagan practices within Israel, the violation of which can mean death, because committing those forbidden acts would constitute violation of the suzerainty covenant between God and Israel--any covenant violation in that time, even between a person and their earthly ruler, could easily mean death, and according to the customs of the time, Yahweh never fully exercised his "rights" to just wipe Israel off the face of the map for the numerous failures. Simplifying this to "kill whoever disagrees with you" ignores all the context.
Plus, unless you're an Israelite operating under that covenant, none of it would apply anyway. Jesus didn't destroy the Law, but the early church in Acts did declare that Gentile converts weren't under the Law in the first place.
haso18Jul 31, 2011
you DONT have to kill to show your dedication to anything. Its the anything that dedicates YOU to killing that you should be worried about.
nullalityJul 31, 2011
"you DONT have to kill to show your dedication to anything", but it helps.
Google: Thich Quang Duc.
agmlauncherJul 31, 2011
If a religion can be twisted to such extremes, and is actually tolerated by supposed "true Christians", then it's a s**tty religion full of too many loopholes and things that can be misinterpreted.
But ask a Christian or a Muslim if they'd be willing to rewrite the Bible or Koran to make it less open to interpretation and extremism. You know what they'll do? They'll go bat f**k insane on your ass for even suggesting that the "Word of God" is somehow wrong....
Make no mistake about it, there is no difference between a "true Christian/Muslim" and their extreme counterparts. If you blindly believe in something you cannot prove, you are extreme by nature.
superkendallJul 31, 2011
His acts are not tolerated by Christians period, true or otherwise.
Meanwhile on the Muslim side you do have a number of extremist clerics fully supporting suicide bombers. There are no churches that would encourage people to gun down children...
BluntzworthAug 1, 2011
Ummm....Pat Robertson for calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez.
murxJul 31, 2011
Of course he is a true believer - in the old testamentarian god.
I mean, c'mon, that old fellow wiped out the Jews several times (except for one family usually) - that's like 99,9% of them - and they still f**king LOVE that guy!
...oh, but they hate Hitler!
The absurdity - maybe if Hitler got the rate up to 99,9% they would have loved him too - like their Jehova?
Religion is inherently irrational - nuts.
pika2000Jul 31, 2011
Extremist? That's an old meme. Can people get with the program? They are called self-radicalized lone wolves now.
haso18Jul 31, 2011
next its gonna be anything that needs to be stressed, people are gonna have to die for.
if you oppose drunk driving go kill dozens of people and then say drunk driving to the media...
analogkid1Jul 31, 2011
The Bible and Kuran condone and encourage murder, rape, etc.
cawpinJul 31, 2011
I know that isn't true for at least one of them.
analogkid1Jul 31, 2011
You've obviously never read either one.
pottspottsJul 31, 2011
There is a difference. This guy is insane and a clear outcast with no support from his community. Muslim extremists live in a climate with tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of like-minded individuals. The reason its odd that he isn't Muslim is because the vast majority of terrorist attacks are by Muslims. Yesterday Muslim fundamentalists (Lahkar-e-Jhangvi ) killed 11 in Pakistan. Did anyone even hear about that? No. It's just another day, another Muslim murder spree.
markglAug 1, 2011
The left is working overtime to make the right look bad. Kudos for effort.
BluntzworthAug 1, 2011
They really don't have to work overtime to do that.
markglAug 1, 2011
Yeah they do.
ArMed1085Jul 31, 2011
Superficially, there really is little difference, making his actions seem quite ironic. However, his whole manifesto was nothing more than the ramblings of a plain-and-simple paranoid schizophrenic.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mgove131Jul 31, 2011
http://www.hulu.com/watch/263104/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-in-the-name-of-the-fodder
Closed AccountJul 31, 2011
The difference is the sheer numbers of each group that carry out their attacks.
So now..this poorly drawn comic did not make a good point.
alexiscashJul 30, 2011
He is a major nutcase. He is a lone crazy. He may claim he is Christian, but no true Christian does this.
hediggmeJul 30, 2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
realcoolguy9022Jul 30, 2011
Well whether or not he is Christian is still up for debate, since Christianity is opt-out only in Norway (everyone born is said to be Christian unless you say otherwise). I'm still waiting for more details to come out, and some more of the answers as to what motivated this man come to light.
However it's certainly possible for anyone of any denomination to fly off the handle, so you made your point in terms of logic.
I'm a little behind on the news on this one too, so if anyone has good updates, please share.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anomaly100Jul 30, 2011
According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005:
32% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God"
47% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
17% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
4% answered that they "do not know".
That was just for your info. Now, the murderers main focus was on multiculturalism (he hated Muslims).
This was on OldDog's front page the other day. (The Digg Patriot playground).
It is right out of the mass murderers playbook, against multiculturalism.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/38836
Almost everyone that upvoted this, claims to be a Christian.
PS- How have you been?
JonathonFishenatorJul 30, 2011
WTF? Did you read into this story at all? He has a 1500 page manifesto outlining his christian war against islam. It has a symbol from the crusades and a giant red cross on it.
Google it.
anomaly100Jul 31, 2011
Realcoolguy, is really a nice guy, just different politically that you or me.
As he said, "I'm a little behind on the news on this one too, so if anyone has good updates, please share."
How many right wingers do you know on Digg that will admit they do not know the entire situation? Usually they'll pretend to know what an article is about without bothering to read it. That's why he's OK in my book (however misguided and terribly wrong he may be;-)
realcoolguy9022Jul 31, 2011
Had my head wrapped around some rather large projects so I just haven't had time to get the details after the shooting. I don't like jumping to conclusions either, but Jonathon seems to have mentioned a very large manifesto that I wasn't even aware existed yet.
The guy sounds like he's off his nut, and may finally be the great white whale the progressives have been looking for. I'm greatly troubled by the shooting but I know I'm also not going to like the fallout if this really was some random Christian waging his version of a holy war against Islam.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorJul 31, 2011
Oh, I wasn't attacking him, didn't even bury. I was just confused as to why someone would not just google it if they were interested enough to comment on a story
inukkiJul 31, 2011
as human beings living in this world, most smart people know there is inescapable concept between good and evil, right and wrong, that brevik guy was probably relying on the ends not the means right?
what he did as a human being was wrong, killing others is wrong, especially for a Christian, hating others is even considered a sin that is serious before God, i am glad people have this "common sense", without it, life wouldn't and couldn't make any sense.
i don't hate muslims, i have a few muslim friends, but i just don't agree with fear-mongering extremists, using fear is a type of manipulation, type of control. extremists: "I will use this to make people reacts this way"
for someone who has real common sense, they know better to live peacefully with others.
but human emotions are sometimes deep rooted in a heart, and that brings a question:
if all extremists pain were gone(healed), permanently, how much world violence would be alleviated? 99% is my guess, without pain, there is no need for violence. I say that boldly i now, but since God healed me of my life's pains (s), life has really turned around; no more binge drinkings, less depression, more hope, more joy, life's horizons is brighter, sunlight's is more enjoyable when it wasn't before. life is more appreciable when the heart is well, more Christians should pray more for others as their God instructed them to pray for others.
LowandBeholdJul 31, 2011
He was not a lone wolf at all. He was connected with other groups all of which are vehemently opposed to Muslims in their country. Read the manifesto. It's frightening but then think about who or what it reminds you of during the present time.
logic5467Jul 31, 2011
I liked this reply so much I joined digg just to comment and thumb up it! This wikipedia entry is truly priceless.
isa9191Jul 31, 2011
That's what we keep saying about the terrorists but you lot don't seem to buy it ever.
lumberingoafAug 1, 2011
There aren't any "true" Christians. All the Christians I've met/seen in the news claim to be Christians, but then they say that they support the wars in the middle east. If you ever supported any war, anywhere at any time... You are not a Christian. Same goes for supporting the death penalty, by the way.
BluntzworthAug 1, 2011
I guess that falls under the whole "Turn the other cheek".
davidlucasmgidJul 31, 2011
http://feedbox.info/the-new-100-bill-has-something-hidden-in