Submitted by
Users who Dugg This
bobosmitor
5469 Followers
NewsMeBack
6467 Followers
Stevanoski
3203 Followers
Robin Oakley
241 Followers
mtownFeb 24, 2012
Santorum warning people about somebody else indoctrinating others? IRONY OVERLOAD!
eraptorFeb 25, 2012
Rick must have forgotten WHY the Catholic Church and other religions support their own "education" system.
jhbarrFeb 24, 2012
And we wonder why US is behind in math & science
davidnivenFeb 25, 2012
Corrupt unions, lazy teachers, and liberal bureaucracies. That's why.
jhbarrFeb 25, 2012
Is that why so many 50-80 year old GOP presidential candidates don't understand basic science and cannot define the difference between a theory and a scientific theory? Boy, the schools sure did suck where they lived when they were growing up in the 30s, 40s and 50s.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Back in the thirties forties and fifties America had the best education in the world. It wasn't utile the leftist nut-jobs and their social engineering did America's education go into decline.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jhbarrFeb 25, 2012
Yeah, damn them for desegregating the schools, teaching actual science (e.g. evolution) and starting foreign language classes in the 1960s.
stevanoskiFeb 25, 2012
would include the early 60's as I had to read Oscar Wilde in the 6th grade unlike my wifie, a Grad, who never had to read him.
frumblerFeb 25, 2012
If our education is in such decline, why does the rest of the world send their best (and wealthiest) to our universities?
notoneofusFeb 25, 2012
Because it still looks good on paper.
jhbarrFeb 25, 2012
According to Santorum, because they're elitsts.
ericschc1Feb 25, 2012
Saying that in the thirties forties and fifties America had the best education in the world is irrelevant to the discussion now. There was a time a 2-horse stagecoach could beat a car in a race, but that's no metric by which I would want to judge transportation in the present.
If you lead a race for the first 95 laps and blow it somewhere in the last 5, you still lost.
sbuckley00Feb 25, 2012
Does not say much about the education system back then, now does it. Bottom line is people need to lean that our education system does not work. It needs a total overhaul.
TheNoizeFeb 26, 2012
No, it didn't . But it did have the best red scare in the world! It was absolutely delightful.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
I meant until not utile.
symphonyinmyheadFeb 25, 2012
Did your mother teach you to be such a dumb f**k? Do your stupid comments never cease?
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Are you talking to yourself?
stevanoskiFeb 25, 2012
lol
symphonyinmyheadFeb 25, 2012
You should probably give up on the wit thing.
bluenose2Feb 24, 2012
Santorum would know about indoctrination , after all he is a catholic.
sbuckley00Feb 25, 2012
Or religious, for that matter. As by definition, they all are indoctrinating.
brightbettyFeb 25, 2012
So what you're saying Rick, is that while *you* managed to go to college and maintain your stodgy faith, the rest of the Christians out there cannot be trusted to do so. Wow, back handed smack there. This just proves that it doesn't matter if the initiative for higher learning should be top on the plate right now, if Obama suggests it, they will find any ignorant way to try and smash it down like the political bullies they are. Kudos.
agmlauncherFeb 25, 2012
I love how he thinks that secularization is something that he needs to WARN people about.
jpurdyFeb 25, 2012
Perfect example of the necessity for separation of church and state.
anomaly100Feb 24, 2012
Oh stop he's killing me! Lol:
“I understand why Barack Obama wants to send every kid to college, because of their indoctrination mills, absolutely," he said. "The indoctrination that is going on at the university level is a harm to our country.”
Instead, Rick 'Frothy' Santorum would like to dumb down America. A fine idea!
realcoolguy9022Feb 24, 2012
I think they're all assh**es for trying to indoctrinate me, the religious right and the liberal college based left. It sounds almost like they're competing over who is going to do the brain washing.
Santorum is now running on a theocratic platform and it's disturbing to consider how he would change America. Even more disturbing is how many people are buying into his bulls**t, and he's peddling a lot of it. 'But he mentioned the jeesus so everything he said must be true'. UGH, are we really this simple minded in America?
His point about colleges being leftists is valid, but calling them indoctrination mills is a gross over-exaggeration. I'd like to see some more freedom of speech put back into these colleges to make them more tolerable for those who may not exactly be leftists themselves. Long gone were the days where they bastions of free thought and ideas. Now it's become speech codes, tolerance, diversity training. Not that there is anything wrong with a private institution setting their own rules, but when public Universities do this I find it a detriment.
As for the dumb-ing down of America, there's plenty of stupid to go around. I will criticize some of the more useless degrees at some of these institutions are having people tragically wasting their lives and money learning something that is of little to no value once they end college and begin trying to have a career. I'm having to build my job, hardly anything is being handed to me, and I choose intelligently what I studied and I'm already well outside the scope of my course. I can only imagine how people are fairing when they think they're going to be a humanities expert, or some under water basket weaver.
Colleges need to be fixed, and they need to interface more with what the market is demanding. America is relying far too much on imported skilled labor and yet we have some of these great institutions that just can't attract the level of attendance that is required to meet demand. I think part of it is a PR problem, people don't want to go to work for things like manufacturing. It's also not the same like it was years back. You have to control the and program the machines, it's more IT and electronics and programming and less about physical repetitive labor. A lot of these places are requiring 4 year degrees in some of these advanced and difficult courses and they are just not find their people.
/end rant
mtownFeb 24, 2012
It's pretty surprising how essentially EVERYONE is brainwashed to some degree. A while back I read a book called "Ishmael", which talked about this a lot. It really changed my perspective on pretty much everything.
crymtyphonFeb 25, 2012
It's a good book; very thought-provoking.
But I am unwilling to become a hunter
gather with a life span of 25 years and no Ipod
mtownFeb 25, 2012
I am currently 24 and don't have an iPod. Do I qualify?
I'm willing to hunt. I've done it before.
starmanjonesFeb 25, 2012
>I think they're all assh**es for trying to
>indoctrinate me, the religious right and
>the liberal college based left.
no. the whole "they both do it" thing is worn out. its not true. saying it doesn't make you sound independent and well thought out.
its reported that the left is indoctrinating people with evolution and physics and environmental stuff but all that is the truth and the facts...
the right is in the business of bull s**t and propaganda.
frankly, the idea that they both are the same is right wing propaganda. they've been trying to create the impression of an equivalency.
congratulations they have you half way to the anti intellectual right.
realcoolguy9022Feb 25, 2012
I've seen it first hand and it is true! And you're mixing propaganda with facts. Neither evolution nor physics is indoctrination. Certain forms of environmental science however seriously borders on religion as scientific facts are thrown out to make the narrative for the environmentalists. The entire global warming charade has become a religion upon itself.
I'm not a fan of false equivalency either. However you sir are likely buying into bulls**t environmental or economic theories that just don't reflect reality.
Coming on to post and tell me 'well gee what the left says is right and what the right says is wrong, and you're a stoopid head for agreeing with anyone on the right for anything'. Please.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starmanjonesFeb 25, 2012
no. the right doesn't like evolution because it contradicts religious dogma. they don't like physics because it contradicts religious dogma and they don't like environmental science because its not good for the economy... which god has rewarded them by giving them dominion over the earth... in their estimation.
you have bought into their bulls**t and are now prepared to tell me i'm wrong about the environment using propaganda supplied by them. and that propaganda starts by drawing a false equivalency calling environmental science religion.
i've seen it too.
cyberprunesFeb 25, 2012
What about climate science borders on religion?
What scientific facts are thrown out to make a narrative?
Perhaps liberals and climate scientists are pointing a million blow dryers on the glaciers to melt them in order to create a false narrative on climate change.
realcoolguy9022Feb 25, 2012
The part where you have people thinking there are going to be several degrees worth of temperature change in just a handful of years. The part where climate worshipers build spinning shrines to their god called wind turbines to combat carbon emission.
That money can be much better spent. There is too much misinformation coupled with lack of solid evidence as to exactly the consequences of minute shifts in temperature.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cyberprunesFeb 25, 2012
All of your attacks about "climate worshiping" are irrelevant. That is a misdirection in an attempt to discredit climatology.
The only thing that matters is the scientific consensus (from real climate scientists) based on the evidence.
You seem to be arguing this : Predictions about the effects of rising global temperatures can not be
concluded with exact certitude therefore climate change is at least nothing to worry about or at most outright fraud.
I assert that just because the predictions of climate change effects can't be nailed down precisely doesn't imply that the data is wrong or the evidence is faulty.
The general effects of climate change are known..changing weather patterns, melting ice, rising sea levels. That is a big disturbance in a massively complex ecosystem.
kareemachanFeb 25, 2012
"I've seen it first hand and it is true!"
So you've been to every college and know this for a fact? I don't think so.
Of course, if you have citations to back you up, I'm all ears....
PS - somebody who has to tell us how cool he is.... isn't.
whatsurpointFeb 25, 2012
The religious right are anything but. They aren't right, according to the many ridiculous views I've encountered. And if they really were religious, they would follow the teachings and work to help the ailing middle class.
They are a bunch of opportunistic capitalists who made their money from exploiting the masses, and now that the masses are becoming more aware, the source of their wealth is drying up. Hence the attempts to push everyone back into the Dark Ages.
Someone needs to tell them that Alvin Toffler was wrong, change is not a process that goes backwards, when you try it what you get is anarchy.
cosmicsurferFeb 24, 2012
Frothy the Con Man - The American Taliban's chosen one
kaegroFeb 25, 2012
haha, Frothy Con Man, ganna have to start using that one.
GentlemanGhost542Feb 25, 2012
people like him want to make every subject in school about partisan politics.
probably take a leaf out of David Horowitz's war on Academic Freedom
davidnivenFeb 25, 2012
Not true. Horowitz promotes free speech and academic freedom. He is frequently denounced by Muslims and liberals who want to censor freedom of thought.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
GentlemanGhost542Feb 25, 2012
that's a laugh. David. This guy ran a faux academic freedom movement. which purpose was to further politicize education.
his poster child use in his justification turned out to be not what it seems. Horowitz thrives on misinformation
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/03/15/horowitz3_15
then there was the time a Princeton conservative student got in a fight and then went to class a lied about being beat up for his beliefs ( not the first time he tired this) .
David Horowitz jump on this before the whole story was found and out and blew it out of per portion. When he admitted to police that he had made up the story about being beaten up for his beliefs David Horowtiz didn't bother to correct it.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hoax-exposed-princeton
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/nyregion/18hoax.html
David Horowitz wrote a book called the Art of Political Warfare that justifies dirty tricks and misleading tactics like the ones I just mentioned. the Guy is a con man. His organization was a academic freedom group in name only.
more food for thought
- Art of Slur
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v20n3/barlow_slurs.html
crymtyphonFeb 25, 2012
ouch!
kaegroFeb 25, 2012
Oh look, Dave Niv is talking out of his ass again.
cntlscrutFeb 25, 2012
clownshoe niven at it again!
starmanjonesFeb 25, 2012
the scariest part is that they say these really inept... dumb... bigoted... things with no knowledge that they did or said anything wrong. thats incredible. it worries me. you know... crash the american economy to down size government... we'll do those socialist europeans a favor by rebooting the economy of the west.
when normal people hear that we hear... subvert the american government by creating a depression so we can get rid of big parts of the government. and do it in such a way as to drag europe down with us.
to normal people that sounds a lot like world war 1, world war 2 and world war 3.
they are oblivious to the reality of it.
sbuckley00Feb 25, 2012
He just wants to bring America down to his level!
johnnysoftwareFeb 25, 2012
LOL, in Florida a university took money from a wealthy Republican donor. It was in exchange for banning the teaching of a relatively simple and widely in effect scientific theory known as "evolution".
Stupid U., I think the school is called now.
And Santorum is worried about educational institutions "indoctrinating" when they can't even teach due to the forced march to ignorance his parties backers cram down the middle class's throat.
People wonder why we are falling behind in science.
People can't even think and those that can make the rest stupider at every opportunity.
pinkfish411Feb 25, 2012
What university is that?
randomgorillaFeb 25, 2012
I think he's talking about FSU and the Koch brothers. At least this seems to be the closest match to the story he's talking about.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/koch-brothers-now-under-fire-corrupting
pinkfish411Feb 25, 2012
That's a really bad move on FSU's part. It's a far cry from forbidding the teaching of evolution, though.
crunchdiggFeb 25, 2012
he right in that education is a real threat to the Republicans
jpurdyFeb 25, 2012
as well as intelligence, common sense and a preference for facts and truth
cyberprunesFeb 25, 2012
Imagine that, higher education leads to reexamining a " faith commitment" and moving toward sanity.. I mean secularism.
Santorum should be shown 0 respect for his backward views.
This is what conviction of belief without evidence gives you...The "absolute knowledge" that your views are God's views and therefore your ideas are just and moral by definition.
Closed AccountFeb 25, 2012
“62 percent of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it”
education and reason are the antithesis of faith...and of the GOP.
stevanoskiFeb 25, 2012
ANd of the Left
publiclurkerFeb 25, 2012
Are you admitting that the left is a cure for the ignorance and bigotry spewed by failures like you? It's hard to tell, since your inbred illiteracy makes your post too hard to decipher.
cntlscrutFeb 25, 2012
when did education become evil? this whole anti-intellectual movement from the far right is absolutely mind boggling. in reality you would have to be that stupid to actually believe the bulls**t they are peddling. before you know it, hamburgers will be too "liberal"
what a f**king joke.
kislingFeb 25, 2012
This is good. Santorum is leaning way towards fundamentalism. It is a basic tenet of American culture that Education is a good thing. To decry it for it's tendency to promote rational thinking is, inherently, supportive of a value judgement. That judgement make him look silly. Fear and ignorance.
TheNoizeFeb 25, 2012
Rick Santorum sat with GLENN BECK and they both talked about how Obama is indoctrinating? .... wow. They mean educating, right? I don't think they know the difference.
NeosopheusFeb 25, 2012
Religious extremism is alive and well in the United States and Rick "Frothy" Santorum is leading the charge.
wilhoitmFeb 25, 2012
Does Santorum think that Obama invented Fraternities?
starjotsFeb 25, 2012
Quote from related article "It's now projected that students with a bachelor's degree will earn a million more dollars over their lifetime than students with only a high school diploma, Education Secretary Arne Duncan says."
Quote from article "Santorum told Beck that '62 percent of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it,”' but failed to say where he found that figure.He has said that parents should have control of their children's education, and vowed to home-school his seven children in the White House if he is elected president. "
First, I feel sorry for his children. Second, I wish he would shut the hell up.
breadfredFeb 25, 2012
He should be reported for child abuse - denying your kids a proper education IS, in my simple mind, child abuse.
leonard2Feb 26, 2012
Some of the best and brightest kids are home schooled. Home schooling does not equal child abuse.
leonard2Feb 26, 2012
That might of been true at one time but not anymore Kids are coming out now with college degrees and no were to go except flipping burgers at McDonalds.
breadfredFeb 26, 2012
Reading comprehension was obviously not part of YOUR education. I stated PROPER education - where that is being given, does not matter. However, the curriculum does. As long as the tests that pupils are subjected to are the same over the state / country, and are based on facts and comprehension, I do not give a f**k if you were self-taught, parent-taught, taught at a public school or private school, or by dolphins.
leonard2Feb 26, 2012
This comment wasn't a reply to you idiot. Seems reading comprehension apparenty wasn't a part of yours.
The reply button is your friend.
10000lakesFeb 25, 2012
SHUT UP RICK SANTORUM! Just shut the hell up! I've heard enough!
laurahoustonFeb 25, 2012
Glen Beck freak show
langfordFeb 25, 2012
It's like he says what other Republicans think but are too smart to say out loud.
jpurdyFeb 25, 2012
Too smart? I think cunning would be better, it's more bereft of values or ethics.
assassyn360Feb 25, 2012
He is no different than the religious nut job Taliban.
pinskiaFeb 25, 2012
The main reason why the kids leave without a religion is because they learn about everything from science to English language to other religions to history. The whole point is to grow your learning and that learning tends to dispell superstitious thoughts as things are explained without being superstitious. Even history is no longer needs to be superstitious.
jess21496Feb 24, 2012
Wish they would take the crazy pills away from these clowns.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Good luck with that. You will never take pills away from a leftist.
publiclurkerFeb 25, 2012
So, you fail at reading too? It would appear that the only thing you aren't a failure at is failing.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Your mamma dropped you on your head didn't she 'lurker?
Probably dropped kicked you from all the whining.
kareemachanFeb 25, 2012
Well, I'll have to say that I think leo is really, really good at being an unempathetic, small-hearted, even smaller-intellect troll.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
You think??? Well that's your trouble right there...you think.
ericschc1Feb 25, 2012
"You will never take pills away from a leftist."
*cough* Rush Limbaugh *cough*
leonard2Feb 26, 2012
lol... +1
barackalypseFeb 25, 2012
"Santorum told Beck that '62 percent of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it,"
And what are the stats for 18-22 year olds who don't go to college? I'd bet pretty similar.
dkonigsbachFeb 25, 2012
I sympathize with your sentiment, but I respectfully disagree. It comes down to percentages.
A large fraction of colleges (clearly, not all of them) believe that part of their job is to expose their students to a variety of perspectives and to encourage students to think for themselves. Some of those students will encounter ideas they find compelling, and will leave college with different beliefs than they arrived with.
No wonder Santorum finds higher-education threatening.
barackalypseFeb 25, 2012
Interesting.
Santorum thinks its indoctrination.
You think its broadened horizons.
I think its just what happens to kids in their teens and 20s. Since I've missed Sunday Mass perhaps a dozen times in my life I've had considerable time to notice the age at which I start seeing people disappear. And I see the biggest drop off sometime in high school (college age is a bit harder to judge due to kids going away to school).
notfeelingitFeb 25, 2012
That's because even a decent high school education can lead to the dismissal of silly superstitions.
dkonigsbachFeb 25, 2012
I would guess that some of the drop off you saw could also be attributed to youths going through the typical stages of rebelling and starting to explore their independence. If I'm right, then you'll see them show up again when they have children, or earlier if they figure out that church is a way to meet.
If I'm right, then when the broadened/indoctrinated college students get older, they would be likely to go to a less strict church, or in smaller numbers than the ones who left out of rebellion.
OTOH, some commentators suggest that students acquiring non-traditional ideas in college IS merely rebellion. I see that as denigrating those alternate philosophies.
dkonigsbachFeb 28, 2012
barakalypse,
According to this article http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-27/fact-check-santorum-college-faith/53274624/1?csp=34news, you are right and I was wrong:
"Those not attending college were more likely to stop going to religious services and to report they no longer had a religious affiliation than their college-going cohorts, according to data cited in a 2007 report published by the Social Science Research Council"
"The report said: "Contrary to our own and others' expectations, however, young adults who never enrolled in college are presently the least religious young Americans."
My apologies.
barackalypseFeb 28, 2012
Thank you very much for locating this information. I think we can now say with certainty that Santorum is full of crap on this point.
FPSmotoFeb 25, 2012
Is anyone even paying attention to Rick anymore after he got his ass whooped at the most recent debate? He's a joke, a laughing stock. Hell, even Mittens is getting in on the swift punishment Ron Paul inflicted on Santorum.
theswashbucklerFeb 25, 2012
Someone needs to sound the "Crazy as a Loon" warning over Santorum's views.
drcrankFeb 25, 2012
Indoctrination into the evil world of knowledge. Oh, if only Eve hadn't literally eaten that Apple...
labman57Feb 25, 2012
It's a curious position being taken by the tea party/conservative movement-- the idea that a college education is a waste of time and that intellectuals are elitists and should be shunned. Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Beck, and other reality-challenged politicians and pundits have embraced ignorance of the modern world, and they regard a distrust of the well-educated as an attribute to be used in their desire to be perceived as "just one of the common folk" … albeit very wealthy common folk.
Lord knows we don't want our children to go to college and have their heads filled with all kinds of IDEAS. Before you know it, they'll be thinking for themselves, challenging the status quo, and developing new points of view.
And we certainly don't want our national leaders to be eloquent, scientifically literate, and generally well-informed about the world in which we live. Much better to derive scientific theories based on the teachings of the Bible, and to form national public policy based on the rumors, gossip, and unverified anecdotal accounts described in supermarket rags and online blogs.
r0g3rFeb 25, 2012
It boggles the mind that anyone, even Republicans would just come out and say sending your children to college is bad for them.....but this is the bizarro world that we now live in.
Of course uneducated people are more inclined to agree with Santorum's backwards world view, so I somewhat understand.
inajeepFeb 25, 2012
That fits into what christian radio has been preaching for so long in my area. Home schooling keeps their children ignorant from other points of view because perspective is a dangerous thing to unquestioning servitude of the church. Why do you think cults cut off all communication with other family,friends or work once you join?
whatsurpointFeb 25, 2012
This is so sad! I can't believe the rubbish that some people come up with. And this guy wants to be allowed to run the country.
These are the kind of people who don't want others to progress, just so they can exploit their ignorance. No wonder he doesn't want the kids to go to college, how else, with a mediocre intelligence like his, would he be able to brain wash the future generations into slogging for nothing. He is one of those who want to get rich off other people's hard work, without giving anything in return.
How do they let such people get in the door?
jpurdyFeb 25, 2012
They get in the door because of activist narrow agenda social fascists. As long as a candidate is anti-abortion, anti-gay and willing to unconsitutionally pass legislation taking away individual rights, they're perfect.
"With the apathy that exists today, a well organized minority can influence the selection of candidates to an astonishing degree." Pat Robertson 1990
kareemachanFeb 25, 2012
"Santorum told Beck that '62 percent of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it."
I'd like to know where he found this "statistic", and I'd also be interested in hearing just how permanent a change this is, how many people go back to their religion and when. This age is when many young people begin to question many things, so the fact that they question religion isn't surprising.
mandrakelordFeb 25, 2012
Stupid talking heads! America you guys realise none of them are capable of leading a country right? All these debates and your democracy is all fake. A glorified American Idol contest.
Do you care about this? Because the corruption spewing out of your country is now affecting MY country and that pisses me off!.
HTFU and sort out your corruption issue.
miklkitFeb 25, 2012
Er, you wouldn't happen to be Dutch, would you?
I ask because I just found out Holland is very upset over a string of Santorum lies about Dutch health care.
I will apologize for him to you, because that individual will not.
GentlemanGhost542Feb 25, 2012
conservatives like Santorum are an embarrassment to the name American
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Only to the libtarded ones.
stevanoskiFeb 25, 2012
LOL
publiclurkerFeb 25, 2012
That's only because morally bankrupt failures like you have no shame. Where any respectable human being would have a enough sense of decency to realize that their shortcomings are not being accepted by their betters, losers such as yourself just want to double-down on the moroniyty. Such pathetic examples of fail are an subbasement to all of us.
leonard2Feb 25, 2012
Do you whine like this all the time? Or just when your mother isn't around to slap you out of it?
mandrakelordFeb 25, 2012
Nope im from New Zealand. and I just am capable of seeing all these debates are fake. all these people are retarded "Barr ron paul" and i dont completely agree with him anyway.
Its well known these days the Rothschild New World Order own this planet.
also keep in mind these facts im talking about are much more commonly known in other countries. And its very annoying that American Main Stream Media perpetuate things so that your citizens continue to think this is all a conspiracy theory as opposed to being a legitimate issue destroying society from the inside out...
Please pay less attention to American News