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Irfan Maqbool
236 Followers
I am Anomaly
14740 Followers
I am Anomaly
14740 Followers
I think I am upnorthgirl
1610 Followers
I think I am upnorthgirl
1610 Followers
xirfanAug 5, 2010
comments on this article should include relevant ascii art. thank you.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
Actually, the picture is from the article, about a 1/3 of the way down under the list of "Digg Patriots".
Darkeforce1Nov 17, 2010
Whenever anyone calls himself any sort of "Patriot", that's your clue that person is all about hatred, oppression, censorship and lies. Real patriots don't need to call themselves patriots; they prove it in what they do; and these DiggPatriots are most definitely not patriotic. They're doing their utmost to destroy the nation.
thekid_uDec 31, 2010
Damn Digg just isn't cool as it once was... cool as the fonz was ... the competition killed it's monsters
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
Oh the sweet irony...
musicbearAug 5, 2010
Ummmm... I think the real shocker here is the amount of time wasted by these obsessed individuals on a web site that relatively few people out in the 'real' world even know about. As if burying stories will somehow mean anything in the grand scheme of anything that matters. Get a life barely even begins to cover it. I'm hoping the new digg will make the front page and what 'power users' do irrelevant by having the user choose what he wants to follow.
MattOSep 1, 2010
Actually, one year ago Digg was a prime mover of web traffic. Search engines and news feeds were watching it. You could track the rise of stories on Digg right onto your newspaper.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
music: oh yes it will change things in "the grand scheme". You maybe cannot close an open mind, but you surely can open a closed mind. What they do is not trying to change our ways, they just try to prevent people choosing our way.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@musicbear
Au contraire, it does matter...a lot. Think about Meet the Press or CNBC. These are channels that have very small viewership, with CNBC it's only in the hundreds of thousands...but it's a highly coveted advertising demographic.
Why?
Because it reaches decision-makers. Meet the Press and other Sunday shows are there for the political industry more than for us as citizens.
Or, take Glenn Beck. A guy with a million viewers who influences tens of millions. Again, why?
Because these people are decision makers and influence peddlers. It's like the guy you know that everyone asks advice for buying a computer or a gadget.
Digg is a way that gets the info from decision makers out to the masses in a revolutionary way. It democratises content. So whoever controls content controls the influence/decision makers as well as the consumers of the content.
There are lots of blogs and writers out there who connect to each other through this sort of promotion. It's a big deal.
musicbearAug 7, 2010
The actual intent is not that we shouldn't be outraged by a gamed system that we like to use, but that anyone would waste their time doing this on either side of the political spectrum. As it is, Digg is probably fox news' biggest advertiser...for free... with the amount time it gives to their pundits. If I were fox, I would just start throwing anything ridiculous thing out there and watch as my logo and my faces are all over The Daily Show, Colbert Report, CNN, mainstream news, daytime shows like the View and all over Digg. The scandal isn't that folks are using digg as it is set up, the scandal is why hasn't digg done anything to curb it? Hopefully the new digg will alleviate some of this.
neognosticAug 5, 2010
Here is another article on one of the members from an article submitted to Digg yesterday, note the same vultures on this one.
http://digg.com/world_news/Cyber_TerrorismRing_Revealed_Study_In_Depths_Of_Depravity
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
Dugg that one too. Everyone should.
The users named in this article on commenting on that submission.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
That was pretty interesting.
seltaeb4Aug 5, 2010
This link should be read by all, and dugg if desired.
thescientist213Aug 6, 2010
Jesus... yes everyone should really watch and digg.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I buried it...it was bulls**t
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
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xirfanAug 5, 2010
love it.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
awesome!
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
wonderful artwork! great stuff
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Bravo!
maddoktor2Aug 5, 2010
ASCII editorial cartoons...what won't they think of next?
noeticalAug 5, 2010
Awesome!
linuxpersonAug 6, 2010
Dugg for "[Limbaugh cigar]"
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I'm off to reddit... :/ Yeah it's far from perfect but after being on digg since 06 and seeing what it's become since then, it's a better alternative.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
Hey this same ring is manipulating posts on Reddit as well as Stumble
bigtime2Aug 5, 2010
Not that I'm telling you what you should do, or shouldn't do, but leaving without doing anything about it is not teh best way to resolve problems.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
It will actually be very interesting to watch the front page over the next week or two - see how it changes (if at all).
solistusAug 5, 2010
Run away, the bats**t insane conservatives are... already here!
holyshiftAug 5, 2010
I think the whole reddit vs digg debate is part of their plan
humperdeathAug 6, 2010
Could this really be true? I know some people at ________________ that try to bury stories before they come up. Like __________________________ and ___________________. There is also a guy named __________ _____________ that has access to the data base. Its at www.____________-_________.com.
Well good luck to us all, its a damn shame especially now that __________________ happened. Later fools, ____________________!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bigviAug 6, 2010
oh no... my life is ruined!!!!!
leavemomaloneAug 6, 2010
@LordofChaosIori
The best weapon that moonbats and other extremists have is their conviction. When people avoid confronting extremists, it's a force multiplier for them.
If I may excerpt Yeats' immortal words from "The Second Coming":
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
I don't know if you're one of the BEST, so maybe that doesn't totally apply, but you get the point. I guess what I'm saying is don't turn punk bitch and run from a bunch of basement-dwelling neanderthal fascists.
smurfzAug 5, 2010
Mirror: http://rorr.im/reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/cxp7w/
jsmith39Aug 5, 2010
Well that explains all the mrbabyman hate I've been seeing this year. I just thought he was unpopular.
Stay classy Repubs, you just made a few middle of roaders vote Dem this fall. Congrats.
jman5Aug 5, 2010
That does explain a few things. I even made a comment a little while back wondering why so many people hated mrbabyman.
Jesus Christ you people are insidious!
maynzaAug 5, 2010
No I just don't like MrBabyMan, he lurks on other social networking sites reposting their front pages and in some case even reposts his own submission. The whole point of digg was that millions of users would find cool links to share with everyone, not 10 people with no life outside of digg finding everything on the internet and posting it.
clairesAug 30, 2010
and now you have Mashable and RSS feeds.. happy now?
porkfriedriceAug 5, 2010
speculation
hypocritediggAug 5, 2010
Maynza: well looks like their tactics worked on you.
pauldyAug 5, 2010
Just the fact you use the term repubs shows you would have never voted for a republican anyway regardless so why even post it like you have some inside knowledge into the minds of normal people? Seems to me the majority of the hate surrounding this is are from the people who are defined by the echo chamber they live in. Most of the real world doesn't know what the hell digg is and years from now very few will remember what it was. Just like years ago the site to be on was slashdot, then the extremist liberals got on and starting tossing politics on the front page turning the whole site into a turd hole. Now very few people I talk to in tech know what slashdot is. The same is happening to digg and in an odd way these people were/are doing digg a service in restoring some balance to the site.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
MrBabyMan is actually a mutual friend of people on all sides of the political spectrum. I personally think that he is a great guy, and you all are just trying to troll.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jsmith39Aug 5, 2010
Not true pauldy, I voted Republican a couple of times and I grew up in a very Republican household. It wasn't until I watched Bush grind us into the ground and listened to the rest of the party tell me how good this s**t was sandwich tasted that I started voting for Democrats. I use the term Repub out of disrespect, they want my respect back they can damn well learn how to earn it. Until then, they can f**k off.
maynzaAug 5, 2010
HypocriteDigg: What the hell are you talking about? I know because I have been on this site since 2006 and have eyeballs. I didn't even know what DP was until a few hours ago.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@Dilberto
Great guy, digg cancer. They're not mutually exclusive. I'm sure I'd like him in real life. But I dislike what he does to digg.
thatmarksguyAug 5, 2010
Also perused through the list to find quirkopatra and was not surprised. The way these people blindly worship the destroyers of America is sickening.
timmyftwAug 6, 2010
smacksaw I could say the same about you. You seem pretty sharp and would probably be someone who would be awesome to get a beer with. But some of the things you say on digg make me want to smash your face in with a hammer.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thepartystarAug 7, 2010
I have defended Babyman when people would hate on him in the comments section of one of his submissions. The guy finds interesting stuff first...it goes to the front page, he has a lot of friends..i don't see why your insinuating that he is effected by a mass censorship campaign when clearly he is not.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
emjaymjAug 5, 2010
I only recognize two of these users - mollydog and alanocu - but if they are representative of the entire group, this article doesn't even do justice to how rabidly intolerant these people really are.
emjaymjAug 5, 2010
Oh, quirkopatra too... hopefully I recognize these particular names only BECAUSE they're exceptionally rabid, unstraying, and unthinking conservatives. To think that the rest of the list could be just like them, that there are even THAT many such people on Digg alone, is just too awful to bear.
lukeatronAug 5, 2010
I was really curious if DavidNiven was going to show up on that list. My suspicion was that he would not. He always came off as a guy living in a unabomber style shed with a satellite internet uplink. I think he's too far out there for even this group of inbred retards.
nainsellAug 5, 2010
Wait...Niven isn't a troll?
dizanbotAug 5, 2010
i was looking for quirkopatra's name on that list as well, i will start another account so i can digg you twice sir!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@lukeatron
Dugg for "uplink". Now I have a mental image of Eric Bogosian in Under Siege 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXuA1fg56Is
maliciousmoAug 5, 2010
Quirkopatra was on the list if you read about half way down. I was looking for her, too.
On a side note, I have this mental image of Quirk as this housewife with a high school education and who lives in West Virginia. When she isn't taking her kids for walks with child leashes or reading articles from drudgereport.com, she logs on to digg. She's probably a nice lady, but lacks any perspective. Hi, quirk!
serinusAug 5, 2010
ChronicColonic and quirk were the only ones I recognized. I fully expect they'll be under new names within a day.
paraswarmAug 5, 2010
I didn't like David Niven's drivel since the first time I had the displeasure of reading it. Imagine my delight when discovering nobody else could stand his garbage either.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
emjaymj,
Oh sure. And you are going to whine and bitch about "White Homophobic Freepers". Well Alanocu and I are both gay, and I am Mexican.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
emjaymjAug 5, 2010
I'm not even sure how to reply to such an inane comment. I said no such thing... and are you really telling me what I am GOING to do? lol
I hope that crystal ball of yours is still under warranty, as I can tell you right now that it's broken.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
I recognize a ton of these users. I've been in arguments with them a number of times. Hell, I'm in the article, with one of those dudes admitting he lied to try to win one.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Dilberto: and both gays and Mexicans couldn't possible be fascists, right?
propethicAug 5, 2010
Then I feel sorry for you.
masterspeeksAug 5, 2010
@emjaymj
I can't believe I am defend quirkopatra, but to be absolutely fair she isn't THAT bad. Most of Quirks arguments relating to economics and fiscal policy don't rely on fallacy and can be chalked up to a difference of opinion. The majority of quirks posts are just trolls "You guys complain about the right, but the left is just as bad".
Give quirkopatra the benefit of the doubt! Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
falconearAug 5, 2010
masterspeek: I actually thought Quirkopatra was becoming sane and reasonable the last few months. Scratch that. Anybody in on this kind of freeper nonsense is obviously bats**t insane.
thatmarksguyAug 6, 2010
Also perused through the list to find quirkopatra and was not surprised. The way these people blindly worship the destroyers of America is sickening.
silverback101Aug 6, 2010
I can't believe I'm not the only one who actually recognized quirkopatra on the list.
dauntless1Aug 6, 2010
@Silverback101
No, I saw her too. A few names on that list I've argued with before, to no effect, and may or may not be actively doing this s**t. On the other hand, on two separate occasions I said some very benign s**t to quirk, downright f**king polite, and ended up banned immediately thereafter.
daviz0Aug 6, 2010
I expected koirakuen to be on the list, but thinking about it, she's just a troll.... I hope
awintersAug 6, 2010
I thought the same about quirkopatra too, just an innocently ignorant person who was taught to believe what she was told and nothing else, but after I while I caught on to her game.
She purposefully poses her comments as a question to sound as if she is just confused and is seeking clarification, but her question is always worded in favor of the far right view of the topic, so it sounds more reasonable.
Don't fall for it. She belongs on that list. She knows what she's doing.
noupsellAug 5, 2010
I've always tried to sub stuff that I thought was interesting... to find myself on this list is disturbing
nainsellAug 5, 2010
I can take your place if you'd like. I think if I kill you, I become you.
noupsellAug 5, 2010
are you threatening me?
vvortex3Aug 5, 2010
Run away, and never come back
lucas123Aug 5, 2010
It's funny. I work with nahsrocket and he's really apolitical. So I can't imagine why the Digg Patriot they've been "deliberately trying to ban" him for years
falconearAug 5, 2010
What they're doing just shows that rightwingnuts have no moral limits. All means are acceptable to their ends. Don't let it get you down.
citizenbloggerAug 5, 2010
Digg Patriots membership includes the following Digg users (among others):
4verageJo3
alanocu
allisonrose870
asami21
atomheartmother
BalancingAct
Benthedog (ties with diggforwhatever, formerly LeConcierge)
bettverboten (formerly banned as Lizbett, sleeper accounts loquaciouslola, MsBoop)
bossm4n (BP site admin)
CaptCarrot (goes by therjcarter on other websites)
cajungal
ChronicColonic (Wrote ‘Tools to Be Excellent at Burying’ guide)
clickfire
ClydePRM2
conservativepie
DCconservative
dgpj
emersonbiggins (formerly EdHurl, rjwusa, MightRighty, BurtToast, GangusGreen, esornivek)
EMFK (Social Blade Digger of the Year 2010, 65% popular ratio, DP site admin)
frofisrael (jenalp on Twitter)
Gandalff
gbudavid
heythere1857
howdoyouknow
jackalgunner (DP site admin, not active on Digg)
Janinco (DP site admin)
JasonQPublic (formerly scarlett0hara)
JeremiahLaments (formerly RightWingAttila, a DP site admin)
jjvors
johnny2k
KCLorelei39
Kraviwannabe
LandThatILove
le0pardess (1badk1tty)
libertyalways (formerly KurtHofmann, 45superman)
lilamae (Fillifan)
LoneStarLizard
LouisCipher777
maggiesnotebook
MattRoss1968
mikeinto
minarchian (duplicate accounts as Phreedom, CongressCritter, formerly Brewskie)
novaculus
PatriotRoom (billdupray)
pharoah247
phoenixtx (formerly vrayz, DP site founder and owner)
pookydirt
pray4sneaux (formerly energizersnobabe, a profile active elsewhere)
punx
quirkopatra
raggsat98 (MassRon, DP site admin)
Ramfire98
Raycheetah (formerly Browncoat)
robertsdig
SadLisa (formerly mollydog12, GrantPeace, FoolsGoldParty, UrdhvaMukha)
schwartzloenard (formerly NewsGuy2005, NewsGuy2009, ClydePRM)
SethStuck (ConservativeBrawler elsewhere, runs DiggsAndBuries site)
spiegelscott
spindig
starcmc
Striker101
sultanknish
tasine
Temlakos
texasknight
ThePartyStar (formerly LibertyCheeks, MyCarteBlanche)
thoughtsonthis
Welshman007
whatbubbaknows
zacharytelschow
novenatorAug 5, 2010
It should be noted that although all of those digg users are members of the Digg "Patriots" group, not all of them are actually guilty of censorship or violating the TOS in other ways. In legalese, there is probably grounds to indict most of them on conspiracy however.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I wonder how many of these users work in government offices such as interns or staff-members for conservatives politicians.
Or is this what those fliers, "make money surfing the web" are about?
randomgorillaAug 5, 2010
Ban them all. People like this are the reason we cannot have civil discourse in politics. I'd say the same damn thing if it were on the other side of the aisle, as well.
Also, conservatives? You don't help your image as patriots by actively suppressing free speech, it's rather unamerican.
mwrlAug 6, 2010
Thanks for the list. Adding these people as my friends now!
locastusAug 6, 2010
"In legalese, there is probably grounds to indict most of them on conspiracy however."
I think you need to remind yourself that this is a website.
oneasaurAug 6, 2010
f**k the poe-lice!
hardeep1singhAug 6, 2010
I'm sure digg admins can ban all these IDs in one fell swoop but I don't think that would solve this problem. The same guys would return with new IDs and get back to doing what they do.
thepartystarAug 6, 2010
@novenator
you know i never engaged in any mass burying of either comments or submissions. This article is insulting. The only person i ever buried or reported was NoLibertarians and his 1000 accounts....you know that so ty for saying so.
drmangrumAug 9, 2010
I like how novenator says most of the group can be indicted (which is a legal term not applicable to a website) for conspiracy, when this picture:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/3533245781_3da04eea36_b.jpg
Show novenator telling people which articles to bury in code. He freely admits you can't actively tell someone to bury an article, but you can say "check out this garbage" which is simply code for "bury this article."
Mr. Olson (Novenator) is a f**king hypocrite. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sdonaldApr 9, 2012
Don't forget rixar
adelhasAug 5, 2010
Wow. I cant believe this s**t. What a bunch of nasty little dips**ts with absolutely no life!
Go ahead and bury and report THIS, you ridiculous little proto-fascists.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
The first time I see a comment dugg by 6 of my "friends"... That's a lot, knowing I only have 40 digg-friends.
dpdish12Aug 5, 2010
I've hated that bettverboten **** for ages. I knew something was up with her!
I'll have to stop by her profile each day and be sure to spend some time burying whatever garbage she submitted that day.
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
She's still posting, as we speak. She's probably wanting all the folks she's angered to bury her posts so she can claim she, herself, is a victim and be vindicated.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
@stonecircle: I missed this. Got a link to this video?
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
@DDR - http://digg.com/world_news/Cyber_TerrorismRing_Revealed_Study_In_Depths_Of_Depravity
kurronoAug 6, 2010
Wait DDRSkata was in this article too:
"In another incident, rjwusa directed other DP members to report and try to ban someone: I reported DDRSkata. I also told a fib and I stated I was African-American. Report to Digg: “As a conservative African-American, I get deeply offended when someone refers to one of my conservative sisters and other conservative African-Americans as, ‘Beulahs and Uncle Toms’. Had I been white, and had used the terms, ‘Fag or gentlemen’, I could expect to be banned from digg in a very swift fashion. I trust you will do right by the people of color who use digg.”"
ddrskataAug 6, 2010
I know. They tried to get me banned. It actually worked once, but not over that issue. He only got the comment deleted with his lie. I just now remembered quirkopatra bragging in another thread about how she had been proven right about me being racist because the comment had been deleted, when really, one of these DP assh**es pretended to be black and offended to silence me.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
DDR, On behalf of this conservative- because I sure as f**k don't stand with those who did that to you- I am sorry that people would stoop to those levels. That's about as low as it gets.
wiseguy82Aug 5, 2010
DP = dumb pricks.
chikenshitAug 6, 2010
rtfa, it's digg patriots, you idiot
giantbirdcrapAug 6, 2010
@Chickens**t
Wow you are slower than Chicken s**t.
captobliviousAug 6, 2010
No dumb pricks is much more accurate.
sonicjoshAug 6, 2010
I thought it meant Disk Protector http://youtu.be/up863eQKGUI
bdfarielloAug 6, 2010
I always thought DP was porn-related, so I laughed at their choice of name.
thesamolAug 6, 2010
Oh, it is porn related, it seems to be a corollary of the "Tea Bagger" effect.
Just so we're all on the same page, DP = Double Penetration, Tea Bagging = Balls on face.
The gift that just keeps giving.
opiticaAug 6, 2010
Sorry to hijack top post and excuse me if I didn't see it in the article, but what is Digg's response to all this?
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
Silence. Hoping that shifting to the 4.0 model will "fix" things.
anothersoldierAug 6, 2010
woohoo, I had the 7,000th digg. I feel special.
5urr3al5amAug 6, 2010
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
Aw, you're just sad because they didn't invite you to be part of their moronic conspiracy...
captobliviousAug 6, 2010
Ya, 5urr3al5am
I tell ya what, post it as it's own submit & I'll be happy to discuss it with ya, Here, it's just a failed attempt at changing the subject.
and buried.
awintersAug 6, 2010
Awwwww, nice try. Sorry.
chimpskiAug 6, 2010
Wow, just wow....
novenatorAug 26, 2010
You submitted this xirfan, why does it now say that LeoLaporte did? Seems like credit should be given where credit is due.
noupsellAug 26, 2010
I didn't know Leo wrote for Alternet. So the only thing one can conclude then is Leo Laporte is a flaming hardcore liberal.
juliusthecatAug 26, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
makeoverAug 28, 2010
http://www.makeoverparis.com/en/
I cant believe
upnorthgirlAug 5, 2010
FTA: The primary function of the Digg Patriots is to censor politically progressive content from the upcoming Political, Political Opinion, World News, and Business sections, so that conservative stories have a better chance to get more traction. To do this, they constantly monitor these sections, progressive submitters, and news websites.
Whether I agree with Bjornski, Anamaly100, PhilPerspective, Novenator, JanineWallace, UncaJoe, & a couple others I can’t think of right now, I bury `em anyway. *ACTUALLY* each of them has been “dead-on, balls-accurate” (an industry term) at least once in the past week or so, and it sort-of pains me to be dishonest by burying them anyway, but then I remember . . . I’m not up for re-election!
-BentheDog
Way to go on uncovering this and naming those involved
xirfanAug 5, 2010
yep, this is some really good investigative work, I hope they publish more on how they infiltrated their ranks.
rotundoAug 5, 2010
I hope they don't publish it -- I hope they stay under cover and watch wherever the group migrates to next to avoid detection and have their secret meetings.
woodsjransomAug 5, 2010
Big hugs from me. Thanks for the confirmation of my suspicions. This is the new cyber Klan and Obama will still win in 2012!!!
envirochemAug 5, 2010
I agree that if the mole hasn't been exposed I hope they stay under cover to collect and expose more evidence. I'd love to see a money trail exposed.
isifunded911Aug 5, 2010
Exactly EnviroChem! Do some of them get money from a Republican foundation, or work for a Republican think tank?
A good article about their power:
http://forwardamerica.blogspot.com/2008/03/republican-foundations-and-think-tanks.html
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
As someone who joined the group right after shouts were buried but wasn't active since then and wasn't a part of any organized burying, I really hope that more information comes to light. If someone infiltrated the group, they could easily have see that I never participated in that crap. I hope that you'll ask them to do the right thing, xirfan.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
I hope you'll do the right thing atomheartmother and remove yourself from the group and disavow the people who were active in gaming Digg if you were truly innocent.
landoverAug 5, 2010
WTF is this? You joined a group dedicated to sabotaging a public forum! You didn't notice the conversations going on all around you? You didn't notice what they were talking about, or their mission statement? They openly coodinated user bans!
Don't you ever, EVER bemoan freedom of speech or censorship on here again, ATM.
envirochemAug 5, 2010
If more information was available, it would be fair to reveal the full level of involvement of the various members including anything that backs up AHM claims. At the same time it would certainly be helpful if AHM disclosed what he knows about the group. It does cut both ways.
The true conservatives who are willing to have reasoned informed discussions need to disavow and drum out the trolls, wing nuts and malcontents who are just here to disrupt things and silence those they disagree with. The same goes with life outside of Digg. Our nation needs constructive dialog to find real solutions and less extreme no compromise political ideology.
Maybe we can't do anything about the outside world, but certainly we could improve Digg.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Land, as I've said for the umpteenth time now, I joined the group didn't like it and never went back- that was months and months ago.
"If more information was available, it would be fair to reveal the full level of involvement of the various members including anything that backs up AHM claims."
That's why I am hoping it does.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
envirochemAug 5, 2010
To be fair AHM has historically shown a willingness to have civil discussions with us "liberals," which does lend credibility to his claims.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Right, Enviro- even with people like lostlyrics and MadDoctor, which is like heresy to many conservative diggers. I am hopeful that whoever has the data on the group will do the right thing and exonerate me. They know I wasn't a party to this.
Thanks.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diptheriaAug 6, 2010
@atomheartmother - you make me sick. You can deny all you want, but the very nasty nature of the group you joined...thats sole purpose was to censor sites like digg.com...does not wash.
If you believe what these people are doing is wrong, why stay a member of the group? Why keep silent and keep their "secret"? I call shenanigans on your plea of innocence.
If you really want more information to come "to light", why aren't you giving it? You are, after all, a member of the group. Why aren't you copying and posting forum threads from this heinous group, or member lists and the like?
You may have some good intentions overall, but this sort of anti-social, un-American bulls**t from such a (supposedly) staunch supporter of liberty and freedom makes me want to puke, you lying, deceitful, hypocrite. Are these the values you are teaching your children, mom
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"If you really want more information to come "to light", why aren't you giving it? "
Because I don't f**king HAVE it. I joined months ago and never went back. I didn't know this stuff was going on because I wasn't going there.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
envirochemAug 6, 2010
@AHM: Based on what I read yesterday about CaptCarrot I think it is a stretch to call some in the Digg ring we are discussing conservatives. They really just seem to be trolls and worse. See: http://digg.com/world_news/Cyber_TerrorismRing_Revealed_Study_In_Depths_Of_Depravity
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Fair enough. I think whoever uncovered this s**t KNOWS that I'm not part of a burying ring but is leaving me twisting in the wind, no doubt because I've pissed them off. But fair is fair...if the bury brigade was wrong so is letting someone innocent of it be blamed. They should tell the truth on this.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
I have to side with AHM here on this one. While a staunch conservative and not very nice sometimes, this isn't his typical style. He IS willing to discuss a topic and not just blindly bury it, and when he does defend a topic, it IS usually done on a logical basis and not just a "Oh yeah? Obama is from Kenya" response.
I may not LIKE him most of the time, but AHM is one of the few conservative Diggers that I do have an ounce of respect for, and it IS because of his methods of operation.
I actually believe him when he said "I checked it out, I didn't like it, I left and never went back.".
envirochemAug 6, 2010
@AHM, I don't know who the mole is, but I do hope they will reveal what they know about your activity or lack there of with that group. I'm always of the mind set that the evidence should be disclosed and the chips should fall where they may. To be honest there are times when you annoy me (as I'm sure I annoy you), but I do have a pretty deep seated desire for fairness. If what you say is true, and the mole knows it to be true, then they should say as much. I suspect the mole is a digger so I'm hoping they see this.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Funny (and also telling) that the people who have defended me today are self-described liberals and independents. Where are my conservative "friends" who know I wasn't doing this? I could count them on half a hand.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
AHM is a hypocritical liar who has attacked people for pointing out the obvious gaming of the system as baseless while knowing full well of it's existence, all of the while accepting the DP's assistance without coming forward and admitting that they existed to the Digg staff.
He would and often has spewed all sorts of vile bulls**t at people like SaraLee, Anom, Nove and many others with false, wild credibility-destroying accusations for doing much less and with cherry picked, purposely misleading "evidence" while at the same time hiding the existence of the digg-gaming lynch mob he was a member of. AHM completely deserves the ban he will hopefully get for his involvement in this scandal. Just maybe, between their perma-ban and the time he and his buddies game the system again by creating sockpuppet accounts, maybe digg will be a more civil place. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
It's quite possible the mole is someone I've not been very kind too. I've been less than gracious at times, to put it mildly.
maddoktor2Aug 6, 2010
I believe you, ahm - you've got more class than that.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
wingnut, I'm not a member of twitter-never have been. And I didn't get any shouts tweets or anything else, I honestly had no idea this was going on. And yeah, I admit I've been a prick but hey, look in the mirror, pal. You are sure not one to talk. If it's wrong to mass bury then it's also wrong to f**k someone if you know they weren't in on it by not telling the truth. Maybe worse.
envirochemAug 6, 2010
@AHM, I just saw the following comment in the comments section for the article:
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oleoleolson [Moderator] 1 hour ago in reply to Jack Ernie
It is going to take some time to do that. I don't want to reveal personal information about members of this group (despite the fact that they posted one of their targets home addresses one time). My team needs to weed through the information and try to get rid of any real world information (names, addresses, etc.) first.
It is our goal to put it up on a file hosting service after that.
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So it appears that there may not be a concerted effort to leave you twisting in the wind, but rather a technical delay in scrubbing real world personal information and getting all the data posted.
@NoWingNutLies, Yes there have been times all us "liberals" have had heated exchanges with AHM and we've all been less than civil at times, but AHM has also stood out as one of the few conservatives here who has shown a willingness to also have good discussions. While we accuse DP of being a mob we ourselves shouldn't act like a mob. Let's let Ole and his "team" have some time to post all the data they have and let the chips fall where they may. Hopefully there will be clear evidence that either supports or refutes AHM claim to have registered but then never went back after finding the group disagreeable.
In regards to staying silent, how many of us at some point in our lives have stayed silent or turned a blind eye to something that wasn't on the up and up? I'm sure there isn't one of us here who hasn't done this at least once. According to AHM he found the group disagreeable and never went back, so he may not have known the full extent of what was going on. At the same time AHM hasn't said what he found to be disagreeable about the group so there is so room for more disclosure.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Thank you Enviro, I know I'm long way from perfect but I look forward to the results being posted. I have been pretty nasty to novie, but I hope and expect he'll do what's right on this one despite that fact.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Right, It is MY fault that you joined an extremist right-wing digg-gaming group and are now being called out on it, how could I have not seen that! I should never have pointed out the obvious conclusion from the collected evidence. None of this would have happened unless I commented...
Do you ever get tired of lying and deflecting blame for the s**t you have done, AHM?
YOU joined the group, YOU lied about it's existence and called those who spoke out about it paranoid and YOU chose not to out these people over all of the time you had the chance! Not ME, not the Original Poster, not those who looked in to this, not anyone else but YOU! Can you just once admit that the claims of your involvement in this is entirely your fault? No one but you and your buddies at DP can possibly know exactly what happened here or how long you were involved aside from the evidence provided and if you simply admit what you have done, admit fault, stop blaming others and attacking them for your own mistakes maybe you wouldn't look like such a jackass and people would stop assuming that the very compelling evidence here is more credible than your baseless words!
I am not sure why anyone would take your side in this when even Quirk has admitted more (although she has also told many lies about it) about her involvement. You have never been honest or straightforward in this or any other situation I have had the misfortune of observing you in and have always gone for the cheap attacks and obvious misinformation to make yourself look and feel better and, what a shock, you still are. I have seen you blame all of this on quite a few people but not ONCE have you admitted to anything or even slowed in your lashing out at the victims of what you and your friends have done.
How the hell you expect people to accept your empty words while you refuse to even admit the obvious is beyond me, but I guess what could I expect from the likes of someone like you. It may be better if they don't ban you because now everyone will know that AHM was a member of the DP, blamed everyone except himself, and continued to deflect and spin regardless of how ridiculous he sounded.
Grow the hell up, AHM. Maybe people believe this about you because you have given them no reason not to...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Wingnut, the record will show that I joined the site and never participated, so I DIDN'T know what was going on at all. And I haven't blamed anyone for this except the people who did it. The liberals who have defended me here are people I've had honest, sometimes contentious debates with. All you ever do with ALL conservatives is what you're doing here- attack.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
So pathetic. Is anything ever your fault, AHM? Did big bad liberal meanies like me make you join with a bunch of wingnuts, or did we just stick our noses where they didn't belong and hurt your feelings. Much like all of the times you were really nice to me and tried to have considerate conversations while getting trolled from all sides? I know that is exactly how you treat Anom as well. It is obvious that we were the ones calling you things like Nazi, Socialist, Fascist, and un-american traitors for not supporting our positions! Actually no, i'm sorry DP boy, it seems like it was you. You have always attacked me and so many others with blithering vitriol for disagreeing with you, denying even documented references while quote mining and spewing nonsense in your mini hit-pieces and now you expect to be taken at your word? Maybe if just once you excepted your role in creating the environment you find yourself in, admitting that NO ONE was being paranoid who saw this, realized you have acted like a horse's ass when a civil discussion was possible, things would be different, but no, you just keep spinning and projecting, spinning and projecting.
I am sure that if I was discovered to be on the liberal version of this group that you and your buddies are desperately trying to dream into existence, you would be really forgiving about it. But here goes:
Simply admit you have brought this on yourself, that you joined a rabid far-right cheater group without knowing it and wrongly decided to keep it a secret, have baselessly attacked those people who recognized this group's presence as paranoid and delusional, and have built an environment where people want to believe the worst about you because of your horrific attacks against people who didn't think the same. Admit this and I will accept that you actually left when you realized these people were bad, like you have claimed, and didn't go back unless further evidence proves otherwise.
Or, more than likely, you will just attack and spin some more and give all of digg more reason to believe that you are not being honest.
Your call...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
I'll admit to being harsh, but not to knowing what the group was doing or even if it was still around, because I didn't. And I have apologized to those who I wrongly said were paranoid for thinking they were being buried, but that doesn't include yourself.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
@EC: I agree with most of what you are saying and I want to believe that AHM didn't do it. Hell, I even said that it surprised me to see his name appear above in the comments to this article, but considering this guy has done nothing but shift blame to others and attack anyone who didn't go along with his version of the story, I just do not think I can believe him unless he admits fault here.
At this point, he is more or less sounding like Quirkopatra, and for an innocent person who let himself fall into the wrong crowd and is trying to ask for our acceptance of his version, I am just not buying it. I have a hard time believing someone who will not ever admit fault, something I have done with AHM on more than one occasion when the tables were turned just to be attacked. Let him man up and stop acting like a victim and I will be happy to listen and give him the benefit of the doubt, otherwise I just see him as someone with something to hide.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
AHM: I am not sure that you haven't also said in the past that I was paranoid or delusional for calling out the lynchmob that was exposed today, but that doesn't matter. If you are admitting fault for attacking those who called this out, for creating an environment where you were less than believable, and are admitting that you got yourself into this by joining the group in the first place, which I think you are, then fine. I accept that if you say so, and unless other evidence comes up to prove me wrong, then you are worth taking at your word that you were not intentionally part of the DP lynch mob once you realized what they were about and did not intentionally work the bury brigade.
FWIW, I did actually say pretty early on that i was originally shocked to see you on the list. Let's hope if the tables are ever turned you will see to doing the same for those unlucky enough to be in the crosshairs who you have a angry history with... But hey, one step at a time I guess...
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"Let's hope if the tables are ever turned you will see to doing the same for those unlucky enough to be in the crosshairs who you have a angry history with."
Of course I will. I may be a prick at times, but I'm fair. That's why i wasn't in on it.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I am going to hold you to that, AHM, and honestly I am eating all kinds of bile here trying to do the right thing, I really hope I will not be disappointed.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"Hell, you even buried my acceptance of what you said'
Hahaha... old habits die hard, I guess.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
LOL!
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"It reminds me of the scene in the movie Patton where he and the Russian general drink a shot to both of them being SOBs..."
And I bet you think I'm the Russian, right?
This medium sometimes brings out the worst in people. I'll bet that if diggers here were face to face, we'd end up liking many who we go after on here, and maybe couldn't stand some of those we agree with on here. After all, how many conservatives are gonna listen to some Floyd with me?
I'll try to be a nicer guy, OK?
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
Okay, I've sparred (i.e. traded insults) with AHM a few times, and I believe he is wrong on most of everything, so I have no reason to defend him...but I believe him here. Just the fact he commented on the story (even if only to claim his innocence) strikes me as the honest thing to do - and as more details come out, it'll be easy to verify anyway, so lying about it now would only set up a bigger fall later on.
I still can't bring myself to digg him up...but at least I didn't bury him! :-P
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Actually no, I imagined myself to be the Russian guy. Take that to mean whatever the hell you want but for some reason I got to decide and I chose the Russian as myself in that situation. That being said if you watch the movie you will see he really was as much of a badass as George C Scott, and that is saying quite a bit. Agreed on all of the rest. Maybe some good will come out of all of this nonsense. Ugh...
This has been one hell of a long, WEIRD day. I think I am going to have a drink!
If you got a bottle at the house, let me know and we can drink a long distance "SOB's for Peace on Digg" shot, AHM.
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
Dammit, I couldn't help myself, I ended up digging AHM. :-)
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Anyone who wants to join in to the "SOB's for Peace on Digg" shot, I am going for 30 after the hour. Takers?
maddoktor2Aug 6, 2010
Done and done. Cheers!
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
SMOOTH!
envirochemAug 6, 2010
Grey Goose is good stuff that I like to fall back on when I can't get my preferred brands from Russia. Hammer and Sickle is one of my favorites and I love to bring it out if I have hard core Republican acquaintances over it is good for raising eyebrows. I'll have to take my shot later on as it is the first thing in the morning right now for me.
BTW: I'll confirm that nowingnutlies and by the end archiesteel did start digging up AHM.
landoverAug 6, 2010
Hmmm. Alright, I was a little harsh, too, AHM. If you'd slunk off to make a new alt, different story, but you stuck up for yourself and made some good points, so allow me to join the others (now that I'm waking up and satiated by coffee) in apologizing for my earlier remarks. I believe you, all disagreements aside.
Have a good weekend, eh?
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
@EC: never heard of H&C, can you buy that in the US or do you have to order online? I have had some breakage issues when I have ordered booze on line, but I have found as long as you order 5ths and not half gallons you end up ok. Grey goose is good, but no where near the best, but you can get it almost anywhere.
envirochemAug 6, 2010
I live in Maine and can buy H&C at the New Hampshire Liquor Stores so I'm sure its available elsewhere. Just do a google for it. I've had smoother than H&C, but it is pretty darn good and I can easily get it. Another good Russian vodka I've found here in the U.S. is Cyr.
rkthoadanAug 6, 2010
@AHM,
This is good to hear. I was also a bit saddened to see your name in the DP list and believe what you are stating here.
I'm hoping some of the people at least considered the links/comments made and didn't just auto-bury. I would consider that to be at least semi-reasonable. I still can't believe DavidNiven wasn't on the list though.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
wingnut: You're right, the Russian was a badass too. It's actually weird that you brought up Patton... I saw it years ago and then re-watched it just a couple of months ago. George C. was nothing short of masterful:
"We're going to run through the enemy like crap through a goose," being perhaps my favorite line.
In any case, I'll drink to that, and to all of you who've taken the high road here and given me the benefit of the doubt in all this, many of whom I've had nasty exchanges with- including you, Arch- thanks. I see the world the way I see it, as do you guys, so I'm sure there'll be disagreements in the future. But I can also say without any doubt that all this has been eye-opening for me, and will impact the tone of what I write, if not the content.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
Oh and thanks to you too Landover. I will have a good weekend... I'm gonna head to the mountains, crack a couple of cold ones and forget about digg for a couple of days.
vegetablelambAug 6, 2010
"This medium sometimes brings out the worst in people. I'll bet that if diggers here were face to face, we'd end up liking many who we go after on here, and maybe couldn't stand some of those we agree with on here. "
I wonder if it's happened anywhere, in the history of the net, where folks who were fierce opponents online actually knew and were friendly with each-other IRL without knowing they were 'enemies'.....
I'm trying to make it a point to be a bit more civil than I have been, when I first starting posting here I was admittedly quite frustrated with my job and was venting (while at work) through harsh rhetoric and was basically a troll. I think I've thankfully gotten most of the venom out of my system. I'm not taking off my gloves and retiring, just trying to make a point to not throw any more wild punches. My ideal arguing/discussion environment would be like a description I once read of Valhalla, wherein warriors vigorously fought against each other all day, but at sundown they would help each other up, patch up their respective wounds and re-attach missing limbs and sit down to a monumental drunken feast.
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"I wonder if it's happened anywhere, in the history of the net, where folks who were fierce opponents online actually knew and were friendly with each-other IRL without knowing they were 'enemies'....."
I guess it's possible. Probably not with me though, since I'm in Bumf**k Jacksonville, Florida and I doubt there are too many diggers here, least of all Progressive ones. But yeah, there's some valor I think, in the Valhalla example... ever watch two boxers beat the living crap out of each other and then hug like long lost relatives? Dunno if you are a boxing fan but the most incredible example was Arturo Gatti and Micky Ward. They fought three absolute WARS and when done pummeling each other to bloody pulps, shared adjoining hospital rooms after the fight:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/09/sports/boxing-final-act-in-a-trilogy-of-pain.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p3bFrP8-HM
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
Actually, though you may not think this about Libs, I saw that fight and thought the SAME DAMN THING! To watch two bastards pound eachother like that and still be gentlemen? Damn suave!
Much like the Christmas at the Trenches something tells me this peace is 5 minutes past over, but let's just remember we are all people, ok? I accept that I am just as much of the cause as anyone, but for some reason, this was really... OK I am a big Lib wussy! AWESOME!
See you in Hell, brothers!
thepartystarAug 7, 2010
@Land
I was a member of the group..I read it was deleted. I know what AHM is sayin because even though we were in the group we did not take part in the emailing, mass burying stuff. I am here to read and submit, make comments and debate with people who think differently than I. Half the time I didn't agree with what the DP group was saying because I am not a conservative. I am not here because I was ordered to be. I am here because I want to be. You all need to clean up the sticky mess of drool you left on the floor while reading the aticle/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thepartystarAug 7, 2010
AHM was never in the emails. After shouts ended the group was the way to let your friends know you submitted an article and talk to people who are like minded and supported your comments. Things have been written about me in this article and others which are patently false. AHM had nothing to do with the group.
Also, you guys all need to get lives if this internet drama is really turning you on right now. Seriously.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
See what I mean, 5 minutes past over... It is nice you are sticking up for AHM but please stop lying, you are one of the worst ones PartyStar, your extremist nonsense was far right-wing and the bury-brigade was VERY MUCH doing your bidding and it will probably be shown that right before they used you as a weapon against people they didnt like, you were using the lynch mob as well to take your extremist rants and birther lies to the front page.
Could you post your noise in a different thread please, this one isn't for right wing mobsters who try to stifle free speech by gaming the system!
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
AHM, have you noticed how each one of your friends that knew you were innocent are now coming out of the wordwork to attach themselves to you now that you have been vindicated?
Honestly, after this I think I have one hell of a lot more respect for you. To think that these were the bastards who were running the group you left, Had you known what they were doing and told on them, they probably would have come after you in person! I am shocked they didn't do to you what they did to the Party Star, and she was one of their own!
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
About that fight, AHM: I watched it at the "Fox Sports Grill" here in Seattle (I know, I should have burst into flames upon entering) and it was amazing to see both sides in the crowd who during the fight were about to kill eachother moved by what they saw. People who were about to slaughter eachother at the beginning were buying eachother drinks and laughing. Maybe one day this will happen to Digg if the DP gamer kiddies get squelched and SOB's like you and I can remember to do the same as they did.
Well, one can dream, right?
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
I know I'm coming into the thread late, but to the extent that my opinion counts for anything: I've had numerous colorful conversations with AHM. Some days he's smarter than others and some days he thinks more independently than others. However every time I've talked to him he's consistently demonstrated two things: he's extremely opinionated, and he's a man of his word. If he says he joined the group but didn't participate in coordinated burials then I believe him.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
@TGRH Agreed.
atomheartmotherAug 9, 2010
wingnut, the funny thing about those fights was that although they were both damn good fighters, neither was the best of the best... it's just that they were perfectly matched and were both great warriors. Then the fact that they had such great sportsmanship was just great to behold. As to this whole affair on digg, the fact that it's largely an anonymous medium means people are always going to push the envelope in terms of what they say... it's just the nature of the beast, I think. One thing I've learned on here and in general though, is political ideology has little to do with integrity. There are liberals AND conservatives who are good and decent human beings, and the converse is true as well. Thanks for offering up the olive branch... I really do appreciate it.
TGRH... I guess the days when I'm smarter are the days we agree, huh? Seriously, we've had our disagreements but I do respect your pragmatism and willingness to engage in thoughtful conversation, not to mention the vote of confidence here.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
Huh....the YahooGroups page isn't there for the DP anymore. What a shocker.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
the hydra will probably just grow another venom-spewing head....
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
Sadly, I don't doubt that at all.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Anybody have screens of said group? I couldn't find it on archive.org
ayeroxorAug 5, 2010
archive.org can only archive private groups if the group provider (yahoo) has a provision to allow it in robots.txt or another method.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
There's also a corank.com site the DP uses.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
@431234
Can you elaborate a bit on that? Thanks.
neognosticAug 5, 2010
Many diggers have been complaining for a long time to Digg about this, yet Digg only banned individuals, even though proof was sent to them time and again of groups violating the TOS.
How about it DIgg? Will you do the right thing?
lukeatronAug 5, 2010
I really think this warrants a direct response from the Digg management. I've been saying for a while that the Digg developers have been asleep at the switch for being unable to mitigate this plainly obvious manipulation.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Like in the end of the story, I think the move to Digg 4.0 will end a lot of this.
deathfiredAug 6, 2010
Kevin actually did respond to this a year ago. Digg doesn't work like the article explains. Articles could have 100 diggs but that doesn't mean they're gonna make it to the front page. Digg's front page push algo is based on a number of things. Some that we know of and some that we don't.
1) Diversity - if all the same people keep digging the same types of stories their diggs are counted less. However if someone who normally diggs sports news happens to digg your gaming story then the digg is worth more.
2) Friend digging is worth less - similar to #1. If your friends digg stories you've submitted it will take longer for the story to hit front page.
3) Percent of stories you've submitted that have hit front page - Kevin never really elaborated on this but it's hinted that people who have a higher % have a higher chance of getting their stuff on the front page.
4) Date registered - it's also been hinted that a user's registration date plays a small role. Newer users are obviously gonna have a much lower chance of hitting front page to prevent spammers and digg gamers.
5) Burying - Burying is treated the same as Diggs.
Digg 4 actually encourages friend digging. So these people can try and game the system all they want but they'll only be flooding each other's front pages and not the rest of us....unless you're friends with someone like that.
redballoonAug 6, 2010
Hmm, I wonder if ad clicking was involved in this gaming technique and if that helped them continue for as long as they did.
thufirrhawatAug 6, 2010
@DeathfireD - wth...that sounds like freakin Wintergrasp.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
10:15AM Eastern time and the parent comment has -3 diggs for now. I guess the patriots in the heartland are just waking up.
xirfanAug 5, 2010
hah yea, i live in the UK so I was wondering if i could get it up before they come to spank me down.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
It's still not even front page yet....182 diggs and 111 comments.
mindragonAug 5, 2010
Well that explains why many of our comments would get dugg down and buried. These neocons definitely don't like anyone that is a free thinker.
thufirrhawatAug 6, 2010
I always got the impression that the "patriots" worked during actual work hours EST. 9am - 5pm. Not that I even considered the fact that a group of people would be so depraved that they would actually form a group and make a concerted effort to silence people they didn't agree with on Digg. It just always seemed a majority of the pro-conservative comments and anti-everything else buries occurred during those hours.
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
Holy s**t...this means that DavidNiven is ROGUE???
The list makes sense though. It's always the same group of people. You always know where they stand and how they'll vote. Their replies are ALWAYS slanted, often ignoring common sense.
This is amazing.
bromarAug 5, 2010
ha, i looked for David's name as well, but I had a feeling he wasn't on there, as occasionally he will concede a point, or say something that i agree with, even if that is only 0.5% of the time
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Or, DavidNiven is so deep cover that he's untouchable...then again, some people think he's a troll, pretending to be conservative. Agents provacateurs...like the "diggerals" who harass ThePartyStar.
crunchdiggAug 5, 2010
David is not a team player. He's got his own personal "issues" that drive his posts.
I didn't expect to see him, but many of the others were blatantly obvious.
bookantAug 5, 2010
Alanocu. Quirkopatra. Atomheartmother. Emersonbiggins. Allisonrose.
Is anyone even a tiny bit surprised?
takamalakAug 5, 2010
Bookant, I'm a little surprised to see Kevin ROse's wife there.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Digg Pattiot DavidNiven was discharged on a section 8.
clippclopAug 5, 2010
I think quirk is just a bot account that buries liberal and diggs conservatives while replying to comments by stringing together random words and phrases from a database.
manbeefAug 5, 2010
I was actually disappointed to not see him on the list.
cygnus2112Aug 5, 2010
"Agents provacateurs...like the "diggerals" who harass ThePartyStar."
I'm suspicious that those accounts were related to the whistleblower of this article. When I responded to one of the comments, the person became a fan. I'm guessing to see what comments/articles I dugg, possibly to see if I was part of the group for even defending ThePartyStar. (It was just from the overly lewd/sexual harassment.)
It's weird to see friends on both sides of the political fence and the up-diggs that happen.
dukeonkledAug 5, 2010
I was a little surprised to see Quirkopatra on there. She seemed level-headed for the most part. Anybody part of this weird obsessive scheme needs to be perma-banned.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
I was a bit surprised to see atomheartmother on there. She will occasionally participate in real debate and sometimes agree with people on my side (for example, our debate on institutional racism a couple weeks ago).
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I never engaged in ANY organized burying or digging, DDR. In fact I joined the group right after shouts were done away with, saw that it sucked and never went back.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
I knew DavidNiven wouldn't be on the list.
He's too dumb to keep his mouth shut about the group. He'd have spilled the beans about them long ago with some stupidly worded attack on someone.
He was already way more useful for distraction purposes as a lone-nutjob the way it was, there was no need to let him in on the scam.
thufirrhawatAug 6, 2010
I always thought atomheartmother was a man, lol. I'm not surprised they are on the list though. I looked for Quirk and was disappointed when I saw the name on the list. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
awintersAug 6, 2010
I don't buy quirk's game at all. She always phrases things to make it seem like she isn't stating an opinion, but really just innocently throwing a question out there that is posed in a way that always makes the right seem right and the left seem wrong. Look at her comments. It is a pattern. She belongs on that list.
thepartystarAug 7, 2010
Thank you for defending me cygnus. It really was appreciated. Those sexual comments had me very upset for days.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
and snowhite lived happily ever
after in thornred castle, lalaland. http://digg.com/politics/The_fake_conservative_censorship_on_Digg_scandal?t=34213114#c34221443
letsgetreal50Aug 12, 2011
They are mean and ugly. How can they live with themselves. Must be a miserable existence.
When you resort to what they have been doing, you loose! Plain and simple.
jon30041Aug 5, 2010
Dugg for My Cousin Vinny.
aubreymaturinAug 6, 2010
Yeah, I also loved that reference.
And Maury Chaykin JUST died too. This is for you, Maury.
davidg11Aug 5, 2010
That's right. The 10 huffington post articles we see on the front page a day is due to a conservative conspiracy....sigh...
It must be nice to live in a fantasy world that makes no sense.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
iforgotaboutitAug 5, 2010
It would be100 without you.
iforgotaboutitAug 5, 2010
That's because the overwhelming majority on Digg are liberals.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
The fact that you rarely see Huffpo on the front page of Digg any more, but that 6 months ago you would have seen at least one article a day sourced to Huffpo, would seem to be indicative that this conspiracy is true.
Can so-called conservatives like you come up with something better than name calling so we can get on with our lives? If you're going to call the President a failure, make a substantive argument, don't just try to bring the level of the conversation down to sub-troll. Thanks.
jsmith39Aug 5, 2010
I know how you feel David, I sat here from 2001 to 2008 waiting to get on with my life. So no.. now that we have a president who is at least trying to fix s**t, you are cordially invited to sit down and shut the f**k up.
ayeroxorAug 5, 2010
Reality has a well-known liberal bias
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
leave out monumental and
I'll ponder 18.2 microseconds
curunirAug 5, 2010
@jsmith39:
I'm totally with you on the waste of time and bad direction since 2001. But I don't see any difference since 2008. Looks like the same s**t to me.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
17.9 microseconds
I would call now regarding
the tendence - just besides.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
13.6 - last bid.
:D then lengthy reminders instead, e.g.
on george doublewho WHO?? will follow.
jsmith39Aug 5, 2010
curunir, I disagree.
I don't think anyone rationally thought that Obama would fix everything and bring on the rainbows in a couple of years. He said himself it would take longer than 4 years to fix the economy before he was even elected. His honesty there was one of the reasons I voted for him.
I don't believe that Obama has my best interests at heart, he is after all a politician. I do however believe he has the goal of a stronger, healthier country at heart and I see him making a lot of steps towards that goal.
ronmexico69Aug 5, 2010
i think the reason he said it was going to take longer than four years to fix the economy because he wanted a way to divert the blame after he jumped aboard the partisan express and drove our country into the f**king groundComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
:D as I want to redirect also
relevant attention espcially to
the moments of not my problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTiPk9pQN48
jsmith39Aug 5, 2010
Yes Ron, that's exactly why he said it, if only we'd been smart enough as a country to put a Republican in charge for 12 years straight. We'd all be retired and living on the moon by now, because the Republicans never f**k up the economy... they're just waaay to smart for that s**t.
Do us a favor, shove a giant c**k down your throat until you've learned how to shut the f**k up all on your own.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
@RonMexico69: Do you honestly think Obama came into office with the intention of driving the country into the ground?
wakaflockaAug 5, 2010
Do you honestly believe everything you hear from politicians? Obama and Bush are equal failures...and sorry i just hurt a lot of feelings by that statement.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
teamgwhoAug 5, 2010
admit he's a failure? Well first something has to be a fact before one can acknowledge it.
Fact: he inherited 2 wars that are unpopular and costly and has wound one down and the other is being wound down
Fact: he inherited an economy that was teteering on failure. Wall St is doing better, Detroit is doing better, the housing market is recovering. Jobs unfortunately always recover last in a recession, but there is reason to be optimistic that it will (eventually) recover.
Fact: he has taken major steps to curbing Wall St excesses.
Fact: he has done a great deal to improve health care with Obamacare.
Fact: Progress is being made on gays in the military.
Fact: He's appointed 2 women to the Supreme Court and there's a ton of other smaller things he's accomplished. Sure there's a ton of campaign promises yet to be fulfilled, but jesus isn't tackling wars, financial crisises, totally changing the face of health care and getting folks to stop holding onto homophobia enough for the first 18 months?
Failure? More like
notthatnoiseAug 6, 2010
THE GENTLEMAN WILL SIT DOWN!!!
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
:D but the top hit remains
stimulus bill clinton of course
Closed AccountAug 14, 2010
not.
so you vote mickey mouse ?
- albeit artificial, much unlike
obama's ears, at least typical.
andyswanAug 5, 2010
Censorship can only be done by Government. These guys are just gaming the Digg system. Lame? ya. Censorship? No.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
cen·sor·ship [sen-ser-ship] –noun
1.the act or practice of censoring.
2.the office or power of a censor.
3.the time during which a censor holds office.
4.the inhibiting and distorting activity of the Freudian censor.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censorship
Nothing in there about Gov't. If you are practicing the art of censoring information that your "enemy" wants distributed, then you are participating in censorship.
andyswanAug 5, 2010
I sit corrected.
mercedes383Aug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
phillyfan1138Aug 5, 2010
But digg is inherently about censorship. If the majority disagrees with a statement, it gets dugg down. The act of clicking the thumbs down button by anybody is itself censorship. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Burying a comment is a little different, though. Your comment is still there, and if I wish to see it, I can.
ohitsdomAug 5, 2010
The gentleman is correct in sitting.
ronmexico69Aug 5, 2010
It still isn't really censorship, they are just more active democratically than you crybaby homos. I recommend that you band together and work against them, and do the same thing if you have a problem with it. But then again, that kind of goes against the liberal mindset. It's much easier if the governing body just does everthing for you right? Additionally, I thought Liberals were all about minority viewpoints being heard; I suppose it's a little different when you disagree with them.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Ohitsdom: NICE! "The gentleman will sit and the gentleman is correct in sitting!"
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
boy gawd - what a brimmer. :P
notthatnoiseAug 6, 2010
@Ron:
comment reported, have a terrible day :)
locastusAug 5, 2010
"6 months ago you would have seen at least one article a day sourced to Huffpo"
Yeah, I remember those days. It meant that there was always one article per day that I would ignore.
This is a bulls**t article about bulls**t.
Those 'DiggPatriots' could write the same article but from the opposite point of view and it would look ten times more plausible since the majority of political comment on Digg comes from a left-leaning viewpoint.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
So get on it skippy.
gooddamonAug 5, 2010
Umm, if the majority of users on Digg are left-leaning, the majority of political comments on Digg can be expected to come from a left-leaning viewpoint, and the majority of stories on Digg of a political nature can be expected to be left-leaning.
For people who genuinely don't see what the big deal is, here's a simple, point-by-point explanation. Digg is meant to be a democracy. You vote on content based on whether or not you like it. One person, one vote. Coordinated efforts to bury material from users you disagree with, including the use of multiple accounts, would be called "vote rigging" in electoral politics. One person... many votes.
Let's say Digg is about 75% liberal and 25% conservative. Mathematically speaking, you can expect about 75% of the content on Digg to be liberal, and can expect conservative content to be buried. What these people did was violate the Digg TOS in an effort to make those demographics appear to be substantially different.
In elections, if you're rigging the vote, it's important to make it appear you have actually legitimately won, and the demographics of your neighborhood/city/state/country have changed, even if they haven't. The goal, of course, is to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy by driving anyone you disagree with out of the political process, so the only people actually engaged in voting agree with you and vote for you. The same thing applies here: Attempts to make Digg *appear* more conservative than it actually is by cheating could cause its regular liberal membership to leave, making Digg smaller, but more conservative.
The fact that this is completely reprehensible behavior, violates the Digg Terms of Service, and is morally and ethically disgusting is lost on the people involved. The ends justify the means. If you define "good" as "only people who agree with me have any power or say," then any act that makes that a reality is (by that twisted definition) inherently good.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
I was going to explain why this story is significant and important, but GoodDamon did it flawlessly. Read that, and it is crystal clear.
locastusAug 6, 2010
It's still bulls**t mate.
Personally, I'd say that Digg is 25% conservative, 25% liberal and 50% could care less.
To say that there is a huge majority of liberal users is frankly retarded, because its always the same group of people Digging and commenting on left leaning stories, same as for the right.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@Locastus: I'm pretty sure that was a hypothetical.
elysiangoldAug 5, 2010
@DirtyFries
The fact that DavidNiven isn't on the list just further proves that he's a super troll and doesn't believe any of the s**t he spews.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Just as an FYI...I had known about their "get 'em banned" policy, so at the beginning I pushed the limits with DavidNiven and he tried to get me banned, so...I think he's probably in on it if he uses their M.O.
He confirmed my suspicion.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I'm pretty sure I'm on the Auto-Bury list.
They seem to like trolling me and calling me a baby because I'm 20, and have said in the past that I hold a fairly high post in the Minnesota Democratic Party. It's seriously worse than playground taunting.
Even my non-political (and frankly, non controversial) posts get tens of buries out of nowhere with no replies explaining it. I was pretty sure there was a bury brigade at work, and this confirms it.
akchrsAug 5, 2010
I bury you because you're ignorant.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
And here's akchrs demonstrating the psychological principle of projection. Accusing somebody you disagree with of some personality trait you are subconsciously trying to cope with yourself.
akchrsAug 5, 2010
Ignorance is not a personality trait.
mike10010100Aug 5, 2010
Willful ignorance is.
serinusAug 5, 2010
Did I just see a "I know you are but what am I?"
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
you sure did see it, it's one of his favorite arguments actually
brad3378Aug 5, 2010
Anybody who belongs on their 'bury list' belongs on my friends list.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
I think I'm on their bury list as well.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
i know i am. and sometimes they wait a few days when no one is looking at the article anymore to do it.
pintomp3Aug 6, 2010
It would be an honor to be on their bury list.
locastusAug 6, 2010
"Doing so usually demonstrates some sort of neurosis, cognitive defect, or severe lack of intellect. It is most commonly seen in people with persecutory delusions, and in people with 'holier than thou' complexes."
Jesus, that whole sentence was like a 'holier than thou' complex.
I bet you wrote that with your nose in the air and your eyes closed.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
So, which one of the DP Lynchmob were you before you created the "Locastus" account, sockpuppet?
locastusAug 11, 2010
LOL @ nowingnutlies
Sorry to dissappoint you, douchebag, but this is my only account.
Everyone's a sockpuppet according to you, which is ironic considering you're the most obvious alternate account here.
I mean, who seriously calls themselves 'nowingnutlies' except as a secondary account to troll people they politically disagree with?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I'm surprised I wasn't on that list. Then again, I've been inactive for about a month.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
why ruin a good streak?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I meant their automatic bury list. I guess I should have been more clear.
richmomzAug 5, 2010
Let's not go too far and paint everyone of a certain ideology into one group. I frequently agree with the viewpoints of the people in this list but I never participated in any sort of coordinated digging or burying scheme. Not worth my time, and I'd rather have an intelligent comment debate anyway (though I do succumb to the urge to troll once in awhile). I'm sure there are a lot more that fit in my category as well.
If the accusations here are true though, I would say shame on those who are coordinating to suppress free expression on Digg - real conservatives should know better.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
They're not real conservatives. They're victim to the fascist propaganda machine gaining way too much headway in this country. They're the result of all the Fox distortion and Rovian tactics that put Bush in office, and are currently trying to provoke somebody into taking the first shot in what could only be described as a second civil war.
Call me a crazy theorist, but the Fox Conspiracy has been proven to be real, and the results are way too possible for comfort. This digg brigade won't just be digg if Fox wins, they'll be the government. People will get imprisoned for showing opposing viewpoints. Newspapers will get raided and liberal activists might start "disappearing". Freedom for them only means Freedom for White, Conservative, Christians.
Saying "That Could Never Happen Here" is the worst mistake you may make in your life.
emmeronAug 5, 2010
ftc08,
You're absolutely correct. The sad part is that the neoliberals believe everything they hear from the other major networks (who were, by the way, shown to be more biased in political coverage last election cycle than Faux).
The point should be clear: people are getting into camps rather than thinking. This is the downfall of all.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Aw3sumAug 5, 2010
Hasty generalization fail
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
uh, emmerson, I'm a "neoliberal", and I don't believe anything I hear from any solitary source. I don't even watch MSNBC because it's mildly biased. Also, though the whole "Fox was shown to be less biased than the rest" is about as legitimate of a claim as "The people who released the studies that showed fox to be less biased are themselves unbiased".
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
"I frequently agree with the viewpoints of the people in this list..."
And you HAVE actively participated. To deny this is to erase your entire comment history.
richmomzAug 5, 2010
@homer - I don't see how the expressed opinions in my comment history indicates my participation in any sort of organized burying scheme.
This is exactly the kind of knee-jerk ad-hominem smearing I was afraid of.
serinusAug 5, 2010
I don't understand modern conservative tactics. Instead of this "control at whatever means necessary" approach, couldn't they consider just making their platform more appealing?
Why don't they champion:
- Personal Liberty (What happens in your bedroom, marriage, body is your own business.)
- Actual Fiscal Responsibility (The democrats are actually slightly ahead in this area, despite it being a republican talking point for years. See: NASA, Bush Tax Cuts, the wars.)
- State's rights, and not just when it suits them. (If California wants to sell weed, let them.)
Instead, they're letting the democrats take the best points from both of the (previous) parties.
richmomzAug 5, 2010
@Serinus - modern libertarian/conservatives adopt those views. I think most of the problems originate from the Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh faux conservative crowd.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Expressing an opinion that those time wasters may share isn't necessarily going along with them. However, it'd be nice if they'd release the entire list of SNs, and then have someone write a Greasemonkey script to block them, or just point out that they are part of a bury brigade.
rattusrattusAug 5, 2010
@ emmeron
As Mark Twain once said, "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Faux News is the most unbiased if:
1) You only include the hour of actual news on there
2) You look only at time of coverage, not what they're saying or the manner in which the politician is portrayed
As I'm sure you've noted, politicians point with their thumbs, because subconsciously we find finger pointing to be scary. You can do the same thing with political coverage--with what pictures/clips you use, to how you report it. I think it's called the lip flap, where they have a picture of a politician up and they talk over it. Generally, it's a very negative way to portray someone, even if nothing negative is being said. Psychology shapes our world a lot; I mean, ever wonder why you can't find your way out of the damn mall? It's because it was designed that way.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
Im talking about active participation in the hate-fuled, right-wing circle jerks AND burying of comments. Im not on that list either, but i have been actively badgered, abused, and it was made clear that my name was on a list of desired real-life identities. That is why i left. You are an individual that is easily identified as active in those threads. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and actively engages in said behaviour, then logic dictates that...oh, to hell with it, logic and you do not mix.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
"Why don't they champion:
- Personal Liberty (What happens in your bedroom, marriage, body, church is your own business.)
- Actual Fiscal Responsibility (The democrats are actually slightly ahead in this area, despite it being a republican talking point for years. See: NASA, Bush Tax Cuts, the wars.)
- State's rights, and not just when it suits them. (If California wants to sell weed, let them.)"
If they did this, I would damn near consider myself a conservative. Instead, when I express those views on Digg, I am labeled as a far left liberal (which I actually consider myself). Weird how that works out...
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@homercles337
I've pushed lots of these people and richmomz doesn't resort to their subconscious stuff. He's a true believer. He's actually here posting s**t he believes in without prompting from a group.
I'm sure you're a bit more sensitive because of having personal things happen to you, but I don't think guilt by association is fair. It's like saying I'm part of the "Liberal Digg Power Users Group" because I take up their cause quite often. They don't tell me what to do and I wouldn't help them unless they are being factual and truthful. I always laugh when people call me a "liberal" for taking up their cause in these threads.
richmomz might associate with some shady people who game digg but it doesn't mean he's aware of their machinations.
drrossiAug 5, 2010
@richmomz: thank you for your honesty and clarification on your stance on this.
That said, I have seen so many heartless and one-off replies from you that I am kind of dumbstruck.
emmeronAug 6, 2010
RattusRattus,
I agree with both your points completely, and find no use for it. The point I make is that a convenient set of "truths" apply as self-evident to the neoliberal crowd here. I find no use for network television at all, and with the wonderful internet (and a half-rational mind) see no reason why anyone should waste time on it.
Again and again I make a comment on a liberal thread and get accused of being a wife-beating, inbred, two-toothed Fox viewer. All because I challenge an assumption, nothing more. Seldom does someone try to talk about the philosophy behind the assumptions. Just crap-talking, that's what it resorts to.
The same damn thing happens when I challenge a neocon, and I do this with less and less regularity now... because less and less do those submissions make it to where I'll see them.
Of course, that's because we assume they are getting organically buried. That's great! And it might even be true, not that we'd care if it wasn't.
Getting back to the point: everyone is always happy to justify their own bias. Facts are only good on digg if the majority believes it, and conditions are only applied if it suits. That's democracy people: the popular floats like high-fat poop.
richmomzAug 6, 2010
@DrRossi - The commentsI give here on digg, while occasionally harsh, are genuine and very much from the heart and I wouldn't have it any other way. This is a forum where people can freely express what's on their mind, and I'm about as genuine about doing exactly that as anyone you'll find on here. I can't promise you'll like what I have to say, but then that's the beauty of it - here we are all defined solely by our ideals and expressions.
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
@richmomz: I believe you...but in fact you should be really pissed off at the Digg Patriots right now, because even if you agree with them on many issues, they have done terrible damage to all Digg conservatives.
I myself am disappointed in this. I like debating, even when it's more like a street fight than simple sparring, but this...that's cheating, and no one likes a cheater.
richmomzAug 6, 2010
@arch - I am pissed, and even more disappointed. I mean, I can kind of understand some people forming private groups to keep each other posted on stories they had a common interest in after shouts were removed, but this business of monitoring Digg to insta-bury a new story that they didn't like for the explicit purpose of preventing anyone from seeing it, or hounding certain members they disagreed with, definitely crossed a line.
I think the solution to this will come with the new Digg update where I hear they're doing away with buries, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this was a big douche move (not to say quite unconservative) by these people.
generalhysteriaAug 5, 2010
And there is the constant Mac bashing. At least 2 smear articles a day. The only thing worse than a fanboy is a hater.
You gotta figure that their are a bunch of widows / linux fanatics who are orchestrating the constant barrage of negative publicity.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gooddamonAug 5, 2010
Or you could just accept that the majority of tech readers here don't particularly care for closed, locked-down devices. Personally, I have no problem with people who like Macs and iPhones and whatnot. If they prefer a closed ecosystem of software, that's their choice. But I'm much more interested in -- and likely to digg -- stories about Android, Linux, etc.
rattusrattusAug 5, 2010
I love hating Mac--and I was doing it before I was cool. As my boyfriend once said to a friend: Did you just not own a computer, or are you some Mac-pussy? Although, I protest their censorship, cuz obscenity rules!
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
Um, the majority of computer users are on Windows, and the majority of tech people who want a non-Windows OS select the open source and free Linux platform. Apple is and will probably always be a small slice of the computer world.
As for phones and iPods, Apple got a terrible rep from both price and policy regarding the App Store, which is why so many people bash Apple for those.
hermmunsterAug 5, 2010
No one likes a closed ecosystem. That's a falsehood. No one really likes what Apple has done to lock them down. There are those that will view it as the lesser of evils. Evil malware/people vs. evil Apple lock down policies.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Notice how Microsoft owns almost 20% of MSNBC. The Diggerals have a stake in Windows.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
Are you really trying to imply that liberals use Windows because of MS's involvement in MSNBC? That is the lamest argument ever. Are all the people who used MySpace conservatives then, since that is owned by Murdoch?
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
@Dilberto: "The Diggerals have a stake in Windows."
That's idiotic. I'm as liberal as they come, and I've been running Linux for 10 years.
thufirrhawatAug 6, 2010
I have an interesting plan for screwing over the No-brigade guy. First we need to find a female conservative/libertarian who is very active on digg and comments a lot. We coordinate with her to be the knowing victim of sexual harassment. (Yeah, this is going to be a false flag trolling operation.)
- Dilberto
sackusmc27Aug 5, 2010
So let me get this straight:
People are criticizing conservative Digg users for attempting to balance out the types of stories that become popular on the site and trying to avoid having all the top stories be some variation of "LOLwut Nazi Glenn Beck said about Obama This Time!!1!!!1 (pic)."
Yeah, shame on them for wanting a fair and balanced political debate. How dare they!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sup3rsh3epAug 5, 2010
clearly you're incapable of understanding anything. its not conservative digg users, its an organized group that wants to push their own agenda on digg content by gaming the system. normal digg users are free to digg/bury what they want.
sackusmc27Aug 5, 2010
Says the person with the user name "sheep." Fitting.
The sad thing is if an article were released naming the millions of liberal Digg users who do the exact same thing every day, it'd be buried faster than Jimmy Hoffa.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
serinusAug 5, 2010
People are criticizing Digg users who try to have an artifically greater influence than their numbers would normally allow.
It's not our fault that reality is 60% liberal and a good portion of conservatives are absolutely insane.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Except, as far as I know, there is no such organized effort. It just happens that most of the people on here agree with it. In this article, they pointed out that there was an organized, coordinated effort to get conservative stuff to the FP and keep liberal stuff off it.
sackusmc27Aug 5, 2010
@Serinus,
Care to cite your source for that number? Cause I've got a survey here from Gallup that says conservatives outnumber liberals 2:1 in "reality." Unless you want to argue that Gallup has become a haven for right-wing nutjobs?
http://tinyurl.com/yctyfll
@s73v3r,
But if that were really the case, I think we'd be more successful. It reminds me of a couple arguments I had with people about players on the Orioles using steroids. If our players were actually using them, don't you think we'd, you know, not suck as much? If conservatives really wanted to launch an oppressive censorship of Digg, don't you think we'd be able to find more than 50 people who would participate? If you don't, see my above response to Serinus.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
Show us ANY evidence of a massive campaign to censor conservative content and shut down traffic to conservative (not wingnut, but conservative) sites.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
how come conservatives lost the presidential election if they outnumber liberals 2 to 1?
paraswarmAug 5, 2010
"Yeah, shame on them for wanting a fair and balanced political debate."
"...*ACTUALLY* each of them has been “dead-on, balls-accurate” (an industry term) at least once in the past week or so, and it sort-of pains me to be dishonest by burying them anyway, but then I remember . . . I’m not up for re-election!"
-BentheDog
Yes, it certainly looks like they want a fair and balanced debate. Burying somebody you agree with isn't hypocricy, it's the American way!
Try reading the article next time. After you do that, explain how the above statement by Benthedog is considered an attempt at fair and balanced debate. Thanks.
kenninatorAug 5, 2010
Fair and balanced means ignoring the other side in a debate, and making sure they are never heard.
That is what you are advocating. You're scum.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
hey dont get mad at him. the marines teaches you to follow orders, not think for yourself.
sackusmc27Aug 6, 2010
Ah, yes, a lesson in thinking for oneself from a "420." Tell me, were you thinking for yourself the first time you took a hit of weed, or were all the cool kids doing it?
And McCain lost because there were more people who identify themselves as "moderates" who voted for Obama. When the country is in a rut, the centrists tend to vote against the party in power. The Republicans found this out in 2008, and the Democrats will find it out this year.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
melikbilgeAug 6, 2010
Looks like our friend BallSackUSMC27 here can predict the future of elections and KNOWS the Democrats will lose. Are you psychic?
tastypasteAug 6, 2010
Do you understand the concept of Democracy? People get to vote for what appears on the front page. You do not get to "balance" (ie: decide for them). Conservatives don't get to "balance" the votes in elections to help themselves out when they're losing either. It doesn't work that way. If the people want liberal articles, then they will get liberal articles and you have no right to censor what they read. That's democracy. Deal with it or move to a fascist country where everything is tightly controlled by a conservative dictatorship, that sounds a lot more like what you want.
awintersAug 6, 2010
SackUSM, even you can't be so void of any moral character that you think censoring the opposing viewpoint is the right way to do this.
Read the article. They deliberately try to upend the whole purpose of Digg. This is a place where an article is either dugg up or down based on the readers. That is FAIR. Just because the results aren't what you like doesn't mean it isn't fair.
What isn't fair are underhanded tactics to try and force an opinion that isn't popular on the site into a position that makes it appear popular. That is deceit.
particleman420Aug 7, 2010
actually yes, it was my descision to smoke weed for the first time. i made it on my own. i've never really been effected by peer pressure, because i enjoy thinking for myself and making up my own mind.
i never really had it in me to be a follower that likes to just do what he's ordered without question.
jsrduckAug 5, 2010
Let me get this straight: you believe that a group of about 50 conservative diggers is successfully suppressing liberal-bent articles? Have any of you ever used digg? The odds of a conservative opinion getting to the front page of digg is about a million to one. This article alone already has more than 2600 diggs. Meanwhile, articles from the Huffington Post regularly make it to the front page.
I just clicked on "top in the last 7 days." Among the first page articles are:
Breaking: Prop. 8 Ruled Unconstitutional (4337 diggs)
Faith in God [PIC] (2750 diggs) - complete with a ton of comments dissing all religion and faith
This article (over 2600 diggs)
Anthony Weiner Goes Ballistic At GOP (2509 diggs) -from HuffPo
The rest aren't overtly political, but you'll notice that conservative opinions are not represented by a long shot. So in short, of any of you believe this and are sincerely worried about 50 conservatives trying to add some balance to the overwhelmingly atheist/liberal bias among the digg base, you seriously need a reality check.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
serinusAug 5, 2010
They participate in the group because they believe it is completely ineffective. You got it.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
digg is tolerant.
you survived blonde over a year, freshling
jsrduckAug 5, 2010
lostlyrics, I have no idea what anything you just said is supposed to mean.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
jsduck, perhaps, but isn't he entertaining? I loved to watch him debate with this DP group and just confuse the hell out of them.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
Evidently you don't know how Digg works. When a story is fresh, a few quick Diggs can send an article to the FP, and a few buries can permanently keep a story from the FP.
Yes, a group of like minded people who are organized together can effectively suppress or promote a story. It is the very basis of how power users work, just much faster since these Digg Patriots concert their efforts to do their work as quickly as possible and in bulk.
jsrduckAug 5, 2010
SpruceCaboose, my point is that if any such organized group exists and is trying to game the system the way you described, they evidently aren't doing a very good job, since conservative articles consistently do poorly and liberal stories consistently get promoted.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@Novenator
Are you Navarro? LOL The good cop?
masterspeeksAug 5, 2010
@jsrduck
The reason they do poorly is because they are only 100-120 DP-tards at any given time digging up their propaganda, which isn't enough to make it to the front page because of the Digg algorithm. However, those same 100-120 people can bury upcoming submissions from making it to FP quickly and in bulk.
The reason that liberal stories get promoted, as you put it, is because the majority of tech users are liberal. Digg originally started out as a good place for tech stories. If most of the community is liberal, it stands to reason that most front page stories will be liberal in slant.
jsrduckAug 5, 2010
The idea that "tech users" are all liberal doesn't really pan out statistically, but regardless, I already know that liberalism is over-represented on digg, and I expect it. All I'm saying is the amount of outrage and victimhood expressed on this page over these 50 guys is ridiculous. Obviously they weren't powerful enough to stop this article from making it to the front page. So what is everyone whining about? The idea that they've been "keeping liberal ideas down" through a huge orchestrated conspiracy is little more than a fantasy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
you got the idea - see ? >8)
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
@jsrduck
You have to learn to appreciate lostlyrics. Sometimes pondering his words, you'll find deep meaning wound within them, and sometime pondering his words you realize he's just f**king with you.
He's like of like Dr Seuss on mescaline. Truly a Discordian at heart.
/Hail, Eris!
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
To show my appreciation for lostlyrics, I'm hereby making you all Discordian popes - whether you want it or not. You can figure it out with your other Deity later.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
awwww *melt* :D
but unlike for healthcare insurance hard
a nay for making appreciation mandatory.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
8) while to the
bastard-mothership spores dropped to
pop new trolls anytime, I cAn only say:
get an own life - and pull your tongue in. http://digg.com/political_opinion/An_Open_Letter_to_Mike_Kaulbars_The_Guerrilla_Capitalist?t=27976776#c27977004
awintersAug 6, 2010
Just because the group sucks at what they're trying to do doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.
jsrduckAug 6, 2010
@awinters:
The headline to the article is "Massive Censorship of Digg Uncovered." You don't think you guys are blowing this out of proportion?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
seltaeb4Aug 5, 2010
I love how they hide behind the term "patriots."
"Confederates" is much more fitting term for such a motley crew.
apokalypsenowAug 9, 2010
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious"
-Oscar Wilde
lucas123Aug 5, 2010
I work with nahsrocketeer75 and I can attest to the fact that he's a commie through and through!
superkendallAug 5, 2010
It also serves to offset the same groups that exist on the liberal side.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Except there is nothing this organized on the liberal side.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
"we got caught doing it so you guys must be doing it too!"
GTFO
archiesteelAug 6, 2010
@superkendall: evidence, please.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
now compare to the problems
the fbi has, to gather avowals !
homercles337Aug 6, 2010
Typical right-wing verbal diarrhea. Deflect. Spin. "You do it too!" I said it, so its true. Sadly, 22% of this country is JUST like you. Willful ignorance is sad state to live in.
serinusAug 5, 2010
Actions speak louder than words. If you want to be a patriot, act like a patriot. If you want to be fair and balanced, then make your reporting fair and balanced.
drunkcatholicAug 5, 2010
I call bulls**t. Novenator is a f**king retard and never says anything 'dead on balls accurate'.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
More on this story on ThePublicRecord: http://digg.com/politics/The_Rigging_Of_Digg_How_A_Covert_Mob_Of_Cons_Hijacked_Digg
novenatorAug 6, 2010
and even more on FON: http://freakoutnation.com/2010/08/05/the-digg-patriots-bury-list/
see if you were on the DP bury list!
kurtwinterAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
l0rdishtarAug 6, 2010
Not an effective method, as IP's are typically dynamic from a home connection and/or NATed from a business account so you could inadvertently block an entire office building full of thousands of diverse opinions coming from a single IP as it is where I work.
actorboyAug 6, 2010
The hilarious part is that they are still at it. Check out the comments here... They are trying to bury a complementary piece right now:
The Rigging Of Digg How A Covert Mob Of Cons Hijacked Digg http://digg.com/politics/The_Rigging_Of_Digg_How_A_Covert_Mob_Of_Cons_Hijacked_Digg
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
If we didnt have extreemists, life would be boring. Im glad we have so many crazies in our midst.
For example, take this story right here and look at all the attention it gets! This is some cool stuff right here. No one would have dugg this story if it was about a bunch of moderate independents that when around congratulating people on spiffy comments.
As long as there are rules to a game there will be cheating.
kitsuaAug 7, 2010
Life would be boring without corruption? What a cynical and self-defeating way to live.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
The people, united, will never be defeated!!!
littlebylittleAug 6, 2010
The only way Conservatives win anything is by cheating.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
Yep, they need to diebold the entire debate, or Breitbart it, to make anyone not laugh out loud at their nonsense. I mean, just look at Faux News!
akchrsAug 8, 2010
Sorry but the author of the article is novenator. He uses twitter to bury people and brags about his bury brigade.
http://twitter.com/novenator/status/14005249298
So who is gaming digg now? Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bawbzillaAug 8, 2010
You went all the way back to may to try to find something, and still failed? Holy crap. How much time did you spend doing this?
bawbzillaAug 8, 2010
Hey, just to grind you into the dirt some more, here's the other half of the conversation: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/127/novenator1.png
Yep, that sure looks like novenator bragging about how successful his bury brigade is rather than complaining his submitted story got buried. I'm going to copy and paste this everywhere you copy and pasted your link, now! =)
akchrsAug 8, 2010
Thanks for posting a picture that means nothing. Please follow me with that link.
bawbzillaAug 8, 2010
Okay then, I'll explain it. The post you cite novenator as discussing the exploits of his bury brigade fall between the two posts made by the individual I posted a screenshot of. It clearly shows the post was made in a manner complaining that his story got buried, and I don't know how to explain that further if you don't get it. "Unfortunately" "if you need help" etc. aren't connected to successful operations.
You failed.
ironhideAug 8, 2010
Akchrs, keep digging yourself in to that hole of yours.
novenatorAug 9, 2010
ak, I hear DP wanted to recruit you. You should totally join.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
Good job AK. It looks like, per usual, the only way you can attack liberals is by falsely accusing them of s**te your fellow conservatives are *actually engaging in*. You fail at life.
bobadobalinaAug 16, 2010
I am horrified that Digg, The Rudder of Societal Evolution for our country has been the victim of such a dastardly attack by an email list
You morons seriously need to get a life
letsgetreal50Aug 12, 2011
All this brings to mind the "Republican Tea Party." In their mind, the end justifies the means, regardless who it hurts.
Shameless bastards.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
Sweet Jesus could these folks be more pathetic? What a bunch of sad losers.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
I almost feel bad for them...
But then I remember every right-leaning article that I've tried to present an opposing, fact-based argument to, only to get ganged up on with Righty talking points and buried to hell and back...so no, now I don't feel bad.
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
I'm waiting for them to post here...seems unlikely though.
Not seeing any of them...
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
They wont post here, there are cowards that operate in secret. Now that the light has shined and they have been exposed they will hide in the dark for a couple of months and then start all over again .....
bigtime2Aug 5, 2010
They know they they will not be treated in a pleasent way if they post.
fxu1989Aug 5, 2010
That only happens at night. Get on digg way late at night or in the early morning, and you will see some conservative stories or comments that disagree with their views buried to hell. Come back later during the day and those stories are buried and the comments have a lot of diggs.
It's best to avoid Digg during those times.
serinusAug 5, 2010
@fxu
All good except for the "It's best to avoid Digg during those times."
firebird703Aug 5, 2010
All Conservative-leaning articles are buried quickly and dismissed as inaccurate. That's probably why people get annoyed. The concept of Digg is amazing, but when a majority of its users become biased then the site becomes less effective. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@firebird703
Reality, and it's well known liberal bias, can be annoying. To some.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@fxu1989
You bring up a good point because if they can get articles promoted and then buried off of the FP between 0400a-0900a they will never be seen. You have to be careful when you submit and they have to be careful when they submit.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
notthatnoiseAug 6, 2010
what are you guys talking about? they're all over this page, or do you really think all the people defending them aren't just on duplicate accounts?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thescientist213Aug 6, 2010
@notthatnoise He said that a long time ago.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@janinewallace: Reminds one of c**kroaches...
virolaiAug 10, 2010
Haha this is not a site for debate. Internet is not for debate, unless you open a moderated political forum. This is a site for radicals (both left and right-wing) and partisan guys sucking each other c**ks
haptickAug 5, 2010
Why do we expect anything else from people who would rather see their "team" win at all costs, rather than society as a whole? Governance is not a damn sporting event, stop treating it as such.
Consider it a badge of honor that scum like that make a concerted effort to bury you, VegetableLamb, despite agreeing with you at times. It goes to show that being resolute in your political affiliation does not translate into having moral resolve.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Though that's the definition of a political consultant.
Some of these people are true believers. But the leadership? I would wager that some of them are compensated consultants for interest groups. Everyone else is a volunteer and may not even know it.
badbeatAug 6, 2010
Sadly, I can't digg this enough. :(
Seriously, why do so many ppl feel the need to be "right", rather than right?
lfrokerAug 6, 2010
I think it's hilarious/ pathetic, how they are trying to bury everyone's comments. You are all way outmatched here.
You are not f**king Patriots if you are trying to censor everything you disagree with online. That is so incredibly f**king misguided, I'm having a hard time comprehending how f**king stupid you are. Do you know what the f**k freedom of speech is? That's in the f**king constitution! Allowing people to say what they want is at the heart of American ideals, and you stupid motherf**kers claim, by censoring all of the things you disagree with, including evolution (which is so f**king retarded im not even going to get into it), that you are being patriotic?
UN f**kING BELIEVABLE
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
I strongly suspect these losers are being paid. Now somebody needs to discover where the money is coming from...
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
The most likely scenario is that most of them are not getting paid. But the "right leader(s)" are. Someone comes around, gets X amount of people riled up, then involved on a voluntary basis due to their convictions and beliefs.
The Sad part is, they're getting a lot of PR for a little amount of money and investment.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
I think some are being paid like SEO and some are paid directly from political groups.
But in a way it's like laundering money. Some of these blogs and articles are things I would wager are things that trickle down from lobbying groups and then get promoted through a SEO mechanism.
Look at the article and their list of targets. Some of them are the so-called "power users", ones who don't necessarily have a political agenda, but would submit a political article from time to time. That's the SEO at work as well.
tiduAug 5, 2010
If they're not getting paid, where do they find the time to do this? Do they not have jobs? Oh....
greenroom628Aug 5, 2010
yeah, really. i've been wondering who's been burying all the sarah palin jokes.
diskohAug 5, 2010
Seriously! I made a pretty good one a few days ago and it's at -18. I knew it wasn't possible for that many people to not get it.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
Sorry, that's me. I've been burying any post with her name in it for about a month now...
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Sorry, but I've been actively ignoring any post with her name in it for several months, which means I'm not giving diggs to counter the buries. Honestly, I just want her to go away.
slvrbullet87Aug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
I too, must admit that I bury a lot of Sarah Palin jokes. Mainly because most of them aren't new, and most of them aren't funny.
serinusAug 5, 2010
There's always the possibility that they're just not funny.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
sarah palin is cancer and you dont ignore cancer in hopes that it goes away. you have to active fight against it.
hutch619Aug 6, 2010
uh ... diskoh? Is this the "good one" you were referring to?
http://digg.com/politics/Katie_Couric_RAW_Leaked_footage_of_Couric_Making_Fun_of_Sar?t=34167354#c34167354
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Awwww VeggieLamb. Poor baby! Did you know that Digg has a link to send subs out to Twitter? If you can tweet and retweet a sub to 100's of people in a flash, this "exposé" is a moot point.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
Perhaps you are one of the ring dilberto -- this expose is not a moot point
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Lol, is that true? Dilberto? I wonder which username you are on that list under? Who would have thought that that ninety percent of the blathering wingnuts on Digg are gaming the system. Shocked I say.
Hey Dilberto, is the President a citizen of the United States? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Felipe Calderon is a citizen of Mexico.
drmaassAug 5, 2010
You guys are some pretty epic trolls. Nothing else really to say.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
Dilberto
A 27 year-old male from La Tierra del Maíz who joined Digg on June 19th, 2010
Then look at his "friends" list. He is definitely part of the FreeperVile Ring.
ironhideAug 5, 2010
Dilberto - calling for buries is expressly forbidden by Diggs TOU. I see you are as ignorant of it as you are citizenship law.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Dilberto's false flag operation detailed here.
http://pubrecord.org/special-to-the-public-record/8121/rigging-of-digg-covert-mob-conservatives/
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Cite your sources. Novenator or "Ole Ole Olsen" could be gotten for libel.
ironhideAug 6, 2010
Your threats mean nothing. We're done with being bullied by your kind. Go back under your rock.
usarugulaAug 6, 2010
"Cite your sources. Novenator or "Ole Ole Olsen" could be gotten for libel."
Yes, your anonymous username has been slandered. How shall you ever recover?
ironhideAug 6, 2010
In order to go after Nov for libel, this bunch would have to show their actual identities. I don't see that happening.
mnementh2230Aug 6, 2010
Hey Dilberto:
"I have an interesting plan for screwing over the No-brigade guy. First we need to find a female conservative/libertarian who is very active on digg and comments a lot. We coordinate with her to be the knowing victim of sexual harassment. (Yeah, this is going to be a false flag trolling operation.)"
Shame on you. If the only way you can make a point or seem relevant is by censorship and falsely demonizing the other side, perhaps you should reevaluate your position.
princednaAug 5, 2010
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/9985/original/internet-serious-business.jpg?1250726833
digitalpencilAug 5, 2010
I've said this multiple times and I'll say it again here. Removing the 'who buried this' feature was a huge mistake..
Digg's reasoning behind this was straightforward, users choice to bury a story should remain confidential however it leaves the system open to mass-gaming as evidenced by this sad display of ignorant censorship.
Reinstate this feature! I'm happy for people to view the topics I've chosen to bury and willing to explain my reasoning to those who would dispute the choice.
There's way too many legitimate stories being buried off FP and it extends beyond political agenda to all facets of this site.
Digg has taken a turn for the worst. I, like many been a proud member since it's inception but the likes of facebook connect have destroyed this community reducing to little more than YouTube comment trolls and fanboy flamewars.
Sort it out digg or watch all us old members continue to migrate to Reddit.
There's more to success than mass numbers and this site used to be just that.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
I agree. I want TPS to know that I buried them. Hell, I wish I could add in my own reason after "Ok, this is lame" so I could put "Screw your animated GIF you blogspamming jerkwads"
farfle10Aug 5, 2010
so has it occurred to anyone else that they must be doing a s**tty ass job? the top digg stories are always liberal central
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Yeah like this one.
http://digg.com/pc_games/Aimbot_Video
Horrible democrats and their cgi agendas!
farfle10Aug 6, 2010
ignoring the obvious hyperbole of "always liberal central," which everybody should have deduced just meant when it comes down to liberal vs. conservative stories, i don't understand why i got so buried for this... perfect example of a mob mentality. all i was getting at was that it is funny that, despite this idiot group's best efforts, they are not very effective as there are many liberal/ anti-conservative stories dugg up that even reach the top headlines. it seems they fail at doing what they try to do, which is a completely psychotic practice to begin with. it is funny/ironic, that's all. we are all on the same page here
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
Hyperbole and sarcasm are really hard to express online, farfie10.
And I can get mass buried at times because I can be a pain in the ass online and offline. Don't let it bother you.
awintersAug 6, 2010
Just cause they suck at it doesn't change the fact that its wrong.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
@farfle: Just because they're miserable failures doesn't excuse their behavior.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
The sites you claim as "liberal central" get to the front page in spite of the wingnut lynchmob exposed here. Are you claiming that somehow the ends justify the means because most Diggers are liberal? If you are, that is sick!
colecoman1982Aug 5, 2010
Actually, I think that is what they are claiming. In other words, they fail at democracy.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
Sour, sour grapes.
farfle10Aug 6, 2010
what? when did i ever advocate this group of ass h**es? all i was saying that there are tons of articles/submissions that reach the top headlines that are completely liberal or very anti-conservative (mostly all justified, mind you). i am just pointing out how even this organization of idiots still seems to fail at what they try to do... just pointing this out for comedic/ironic effect. pretty sure we are all on the same side here
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
fair enough, understand, the righties were all basically saying the same thing to try and prove a relativity-fallacy argument that they knew was a lie or even worse, was supposed to show that they were justified in lying because they don't get to win enough, and damn has it ever been a long, weird day.
roguebladeAug 5, 2010
get 4chan on their ass
lukas1051Aug 5, 2010
Pfffft, you think 4chan care about us? You want something done, you gotta do it yourself.
digitalpencilAug 6, 2010
not your personal.. ah f**k it, they don't give two s**ts about digg's democratic woes.. if anything they're more likely to bombard the site until every FP article has the word 'gentlemen' in it..
4chan are a bunch of kids.. they've committed pretty epic raids in the past but the cancer continues to spread into other *chans. they're leaderless script-kiddies all pulling the same primitive, mass-produced 'LOIC'. the only thing that keeps them from tumbling is the vast number of sheep at their collective disposal..
you're kidding yourself though if you think they give two s**ts about a social news aggregator's troubles with right-wing bury brigades.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
@rogue
4channers have more in common with this bury brigade than they have with most Diggers. Hell, go kick the hornet's nest over at 4chan a few times, you'll see that they'll do whatever pisses off the most people. That's what makes them laugh.
That's all you'd get from 4chan.
dreamtigerAug 5, 2010
Nutbags Exposed: This is all they've got. This is all they've ever had. Hatred and Denial of reality. You could invite them to join the real world, but they would not be interested. I fear they represent about 20% of the USA. This is why the GOP likes to cut funding for Education. It creates more easy-to-manipulate nutbags. Fox News keeps them topped up with the Corporate agenda, which they actually believe is Individualism, and progress is prevented. And, they are heavily armed.
shawnsoniumAug 5, 2010
f**king childish is what it is.
dopreAug 5, 2010
This kind of reminds me of the Steven Colbert bit where he had the guy from 'Conservapedia' on. They created Conservapedia "Because Wikipedia is liberal".
wateryouthAug 5, 2010
So a bunch of users bury what they dont like, and digg what they do.
Its bullying the system, but its how the system is set up.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
RTFA
bawbzillaAug 5, 2010
You want to talk about pathetic? I've sparred with some of those people who are apparently staff for DP, they've said stupid s**t like saying we should have a fistfight to overcome our differences and linking a "butthurt" image rather than continue debating :P
If that's the caliber of people they have running the show, we're golden.
sinistersaracenAug 5, 2010
I'm pretty disgusted.
kdx200riderAug 5, 2010
The fact that you actually believe this scares me. Anyone who has spent any time here on Digg, knows this site is completely tilted toward the loony left. And that fact that so many of you lemming are just swilling down this Kookaid proves it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
"loony left"
"lemming"
"Kookaid"
ctrl+f conservative shill found!
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
What, no "sheeple"?
I am disappoint.
fungowskiAug 6, 2010
Anybody who wants to start our own digg mega group, please email: frankfungowski -at- gmail
timmyftwAug 6, 2010
Reported.
jangioAug 6, 2010
perfect example of emboldening your enemies.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
"Stupid people travel in packs. They terrorize the clever, who tend to travel alone because they quarrel with each other over minor points and generally prefer reading to socializing. Like gangs of hoodies setting hobos on fire in the city streets, they silence everyone." -Heather Mallick
bodhinatureAug 6, 2010
I think Anonymous could take care of these fools.
aquafireAug 6, 2010
Clearly this article is wrong... look at your feedback.
mrwalshAug 6, 2010
Bitter allah could you be more pathetic?
bobadobalinaAug 16, 2010
I am horrified that Digg, The Rudder of Societal Evolution for our country has been the victim of such a dastardly attack by an email list
What a coincidence that this horrifying revelation should appear JUST as the new Digg is about to make its appearance. One would almost think is hyped up bulls**t concocted to generate some buzz about something no one would otherwise care about
You lemmings seriously need to get a life
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
These people should be permanently banned from Digg.
xirfanAug 5, 2010
they were..
casspaAug 5, 2010
again, and again, and again, and again....so it seems.
equinox2o12Aug 5, 2010
Can't Digg ban via IP address?
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Equinox2O12: According to the article, these folks have become adept at switching IPs.
neognosticAug 5, 2010
Even if they switch IPs by unplugging their router/modem when they connect again the new IP is still in the same class C subnet.
A first year student of SQL could write a query to Digg's database that would show the near dupes to follow up on.
Digg has been lazy on following up on complaints about this for over a year.
dipsomaniacAug 5, 2010
That depends on what pool their ISP is using to assign addresses from. I'm on Bell in Canada and I often switch among class B pools when I restart.
neognosticAug 5, 2010
Then BellCA is a a poorly designed network, proper subnetting reduces collisions, latency and outages.
dipsomaniacAug 5, 2010
Bell's network suffers from tumorous growth - acquisitions of smaller providers has fragmented their IP network pretty badly and the PTB don't seem inclined to start fresh.
diskohAug 5, 2010
I feel a good deal of their enthusiasm for bothering with this would be lost if they had to mask their IPs constantly.
cyclonusripAug 5, 2010
It's not like they couldn't just use a proxy if their whole subnet banned. You can't get rid of those people if they are that motivated. The site basically allows anonymous registration so they will always be able to come back.
crossmrAug 5, 2010
Let me guess Neognostic. Did you just get your Network+ and want to show off what a smarty you are?
Whether they are on a Class C network would depend on who their ISP is. And it is very unlikely that any of them are actually class Cs, since your number of hosts is very limited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classful_network
Class C refers to address space beginning with 192. I'd suggest a little education before you continue running your mouth. I'd also suggest the people who dugg Neognostic up slap themselves for being mislead by a moron spouting buzzwords he clearly knows nothing about.
My ISP for example is a Class B,
subnetting has no effect on collisions, latency, and likely outages. Collision domains are broken up by Level 2 and 3 devices, switches and routers, not to mention since everything is full duplex the chances of a collision happening would be about the same as you having a clue.
Dangerously low approaching 0.
Latency is actually increased by the the number of subnets as packets have to be routed more often
outages are simply a function of the hardware. If you have a router handling 1 giant subnet or several small ones, if it goes down, they're still boned. This is why you have redundancy.
netneutralityAug 5, 2010
Digg doesn't even [seem to] do a good job of blocking obvious spammers.
trekkie1701cAug 5, 2010
It can actually be pretty hard to ban people if they use proxies and other tools to hide their real IP. As a website owner you might be able to take legal action against individuals who consistently bypass IP bans, though given the number of people that appear to be involved this might be difficult and expensive for Digg (though considering these guys want to get out viewpoints that support the rich people I suppose they could afford to pay back Digg's legal fees).
ed3839Aug 5, 2010
@crossmr You are wrong. You are so wrong, it is silly.
Class C refers to any IP in a 255.255.255.0 subnet. Any Class C has only 254 addresses to choose from.
A 192 Class A is known as a Non-Routable Address for private networks, along with 10.
twillzAug 5, 2010
It felt awesome to see how many Digg users in that list I have blocked. quirkopatra especially!
ayeroxorAug 5, 2010
Well, Ed, you're not exactly correct either.
But the point is that IP blocks are worthless. And blocking an entire ISP's range or subrange is stupid because, well, IP blocks are worthless.
As long as some noob fundie can get TOR running in five minutes, you'll only block the innocent.
lilott8Aug 5, 2010
@everyone in this thread:
You all are assuming that ISP's utilize class-ful addressing. Class-ful addressing is not really used in enterprise and ISP level scenarios. For, instance, a 10.x.x.x is technically a class A address. But when you subnet it like this: 10.0.1.0/24 it now becomes, technically a Class C address.
Variable length subnetting removes the class-fullness of IPs. It allows greater control and use of IPs. A great example is 2 routers connected that you want isolated. You would never use a Class C address, as you would be wasting 255-2 addresses, or 253 addresses, assuming the necessary isolation. Instead you would give each router interface a 10.0.2.1/30 & 10.0.2.2/30, respectively. That way you only have the 2 IPs you need and you waste no IPs.
Digg cannot logically ban an entire subnet, they have to ban per IP. If you ban per subnet you will likely have collateral damage.
Class-ful addresses are not restricted to their 10, 172.26, 192.168.1 addresses.
@crossmr, @neognastoic: subnetting does not stop collisions. Switches break up collision domains. Routers break up broadcast domains. So adding a network (read, adding a router) does not break up collisions. Collisions directly impact latency. So adding a network does NOT lower latency and collisions. If it is not implemented properly it will drastically increase both.
Sources: I'm a CCNA. Look @ cisco's knowledge-base:
boutdemcanes91Aug 5, 2010
I was looking down the list and noticed "mikeinto" is on that list! And he gets a LOT of submission to the FP.
Mother.f**ker.
oriondrAug 5, 2010
@USArugula
Interesting, because when I think of conservative I rarely think "technologically savvy", with few exceptions.
pleasejustdieAug 5, 2010
@ed3839
Remembering what I was taught in college and with prior experience in my job dealing with SEO, I was pretty sure you were wrong and you are.
Class A IP Address: the first octet is 0-126
Class B IP Address: the first octet is 128-191
Class C IP Address: the first octet is 192-223
http://www.theinternetdigest.net/articles/ip-address-overview.html
I've had businesses that sell blocks of IP addresses for SEO purposes (mostly black-hat stuff) try to tell me that Class A-D refers to the octet (A being first, B 2nd, C 3rd, D 4th) and that's just wrong and I remember looking it up then to verify what I remembered from school was right.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
This is why we need content filters that recognize individual writing styles.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@StaticThunder..... nice thought, but would be disasterous.... because of good ol copy & paste... and the wonderful /s .......people will def. be wrongfully banned
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
It could be trained to recognize quotes. But without actually doing an experiment I couldn't tell you what the false positive rate would be.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@StaticThunder
You are such a retard! For one, filtering out viewpoints all together would be contrary to the idea of having a community discussion.
Don't forget that people can always change their writing and mask it.
And for the person lamenting the anonymous registration, throwaway cellphones that can be registered under different names are rather cheap if you know where to look.
Look everybody. You are blowing this way out of proportion, and you are acting like this causes Digg to have a right wing bias. Besides, how do we know that there aren't multiple schemes from other factions going on?
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mithrasinvictusAug 6, 2010
I think a better option would be for digg to monitor for mob events (should be easy with the server logs available) and then ban the participants regardless of their ip address.
mithrasinvictusAug 6, 2010
Another idea: instead of banning them right away, alter the algorithm so that the more flags they rack up the more their buries count start to count as diggs. Then after a month ban them and inform them they've been unwittingly helping out their opposition for the last month.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Give 'em time. Banning by IP or IP range will be a waste of time. They'll just start using proxies or bots (their sense of entitlement certainly allows for it).
labdiscoAug 6, 2010
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thatmarksguyAug 6, 2010
I love how this transformed in to a Networking Basics discussion. Good times.
crossmrAug 6, 2010
@lilott8
I'm a CCNP.
Stay in school. Class Cs specifically start with 192 and goto 223
For further reading you can see http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/aix/v6r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.commadmn/doc/commadmndita/addresses_classc.htm
"In other words, the first octet of a Class C address is in the range 192 to 223."
subnetting a class A network does not make it a Class C network.
@Ed, no it doesn't see above. It specifically refers to classful networks in the range above.
Not all 192 subnets are non-routable, it is specifically 192.168.x.x that is non-routable. 192.167.x.x for example is not reserved address space.
See here for further information: http://coewww.rutgers.edu/www1/linuxclass2006/lessons/lesson4/sec_8.html
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
@classmr
thanks for clearing up networking goodness.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
@crossmr
came here to say the exact same thing (basically). people are so misinformed sometimes....
staticthunderAug 6, 2010
I love being called a retard by inactive. Ha f**king ha, you astroturfing turd.
lilott8Aug 13, 2010
@crossmr
You are correct on you class ranges. I was keeping the addresses private for ease of typing. I was lazy.
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
They thought it was a joke to game Digg. It was like a badge of courage to them to reincarnate themselves over and over after being "permanently" banned here. Cheaters!
djshayAug 5, 2010
It fits with the Conservative Standard Operating Procedure. Lie, cheat and steal your way to the top of the polls.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Lol, the wingnuts "Diebold"ed Digg! Man, You always kind of knew it, and obviously from talking to these asses you could tell they had no dignity, shame or honor. Now they have actually been called out for what we have always expected! Finally!
bawbzillaAug 5, 2010
"It fits with the Conservative Standard Operating Procedure. Lie, cheat and steal your way to the top of the polls."
Then, if you're caught, just smile all innocent like and say "Awww, shucks :3", then accuse their enemies of doing it and screaming bloody murder about how wrong it is.
toaster7Aug 5, 2010
You should read the freaking article before making comments...
mithrasinvictusAug 6, 2010
They should be banned effectively then.
haikufuAug 5, 2010
If Digg doesn't do something to ban them, and figure this s**t out in the future, I'm leaving.
Does this sort of s**t go on over at Reddit?
apextekAug 5, 2010
probably
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"I'm leaving"
Good riddance
jetboyterpAug 5, 2010
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...
socokoolaidAug 5, 2010
This has always been a problem on Digg. There has been a history of for-profit groups who will sway the Digg community for their clients. This is by no means a new or isolated event. Couldn't you tell?
I'm sure Reddit has the same problem, but the scammers don't seem as successful on Reddit. At least not yet.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Not really. The way Reddit is organized, there are many different subsections of the site, and most people tend to stick within their subsection. Also, their Front Page usually only has stuff that you've already expressed interest in, or stories from those sub-reddits you already subscribe to. So if you're not a part of the Politics subreddit, you won't see a lot of political news.
labdiscoAug 6, 2010
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boutdemcanes91Aug 5, 2010
OF COURSE they target those who speak the truth and the power users who can take the truth to the FP.
bjornski is on my friends list and I've noticed he always says what's really going on and beats these Conservative trolls at their own game, no wonder they would target him.
Let's take these motherf**kers DOWN. Digg's staff and mods can only do so much, I say we THE USERS go 4chan on these bastards and embarrass and erase them off the face of the internet.
This isn't Fox News, this is Digg for f**ks sake.
sports2012Aug 5, 2010
calm down there killer.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
You can't really reason with them. They're like little children. The sad part is the damage they do to their own party. Republican used to mean something and they always site these great leaders of the past that they promptly s**t on the ideals of.
labdiscoAug 6, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
Thanks Bout, hearing complements like that makes me feel really good.
Again, thank you. :)
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
So, you support censorship too?
kingj3144Aug 5, 2010
Most of these users are violating Digg's terms of use policy
solistusAug 5, 2010
All*
Organized efforts to influence Digg are banned, period. You don't need to switch IPs to get around a ban or anything like that to be breaking the TOU; joining one of these groups alone is a bannable offense.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I would put up with a little censorship of the people behaving badly if it gave the community at large back it's dignity.
labdiscoAug 6, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
"Trade a little freedom for a little security, would ya? "
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@diggvillain
< McCoy> Dammit, this is a social news website, not a government!</ McCoy>
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
You're continuing to miss the point here.. removing abusive comments IS censorship. One I happen to approve of since it makes the argument about petty name calling. I'm perfectly happy to hear viewpoints from the right and the left alike but there need to be at the very least some standards or it's just chaos. I don't agree with the right most of the time but I don't want to suppress their opinions just people being jerks because there are no rules. Anarchy only works if people are socially responsible to begin with. I'd like that if people were that cooperative but that's not the case here.
diggproofAug 5, 2010
They ruined the site and I stopped visiting. I haven't dugg or commented on anything in like a year. I can tolerate other's opinions but it just stopped being fun.
apackofmonkeysAug 5, 2010
"I stopped visiting"
Apparently you failed miserably....
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
I tries to stop. I fail.
tianwolfAug 12, 2010
If you shut up just because they want you to, the problem only gets worse.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Yeah let's censor them! Fairness Doctrine for the Internet!
People vote with their feet (in this case, their mice). If Digg becomes too gamed for its users, a new site will pop up that guards against it. Digg will have to follow suit or people will leave. The problem will fix itself.
Question: if you are a progressive, do you honestly feel like your political views are not well represented on Digg? Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
f**k off. Nobody's wanting to censor the "conservative" viewpoint. Nobody buys your made up persecution complex.
Are you saying nobody should be punished for willfully violating the TOS (in many cases, repeatedly)?
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I totally don't understand you. The internet is huge. Why go somewhere you're universally hated for being an assh**e just continue forever to be an assh**e. I'll tell you why, you thrive on conflict. It's that simple. You need to be hated by the left. It makes you think you're onto something. The problem is that you don't just piss off the left. You piss off the conservatives who you're making look bad by calling yourselves one of them. You're pissing off the democrats who are patriotic and have the same family values that you claim to have. And you're pissing on your own reputation. Do the world a favor.. I don't care what, just channel all that energy into something that adds to the substance of the world for good for once.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
So which of the users on that list is you? Had to fire up the old safety account?
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
@11oops I should really get on that list.
tianwolfAug 12, 2010
You think people should give up and run just because somebody else wants to take over their site? This person is not one of the right-wing extremists. He is he is a coward and a sack o' s**t and possibly french too.
jetboyterpAug 5, 2010
Ban all dissenting opinion!! Liberals unite!!
From the description: If this gets buried, it's all true"...It's the top pick. Guess it's not true then.
Whaaambulane time for the diggbat diggerals.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
wtf are you rambling about?
are you feeling lonely without your bury brigade to blindly digg your idiotic remarks and are trying to fill the void?
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
No, it is crime and punishment. These users are breaking the ToU (not many for the first time) and they should accept the consequences. Many of these users were banned and subverted that ban. They deserve to be removed from the community since they are incapable of playing by the rules, just like I would expect from anyone, liberal, conservative, or apolitical.
crunchdiggAug 6, 2010
congratulations, you fail at logic, again.
"if A, then B" and "not A" does not imply "not B"
"if jetboy made sense, the sun would set in the west", "jetboy makes no sense"
"Waaaaal, then, I guess the sun doesn't set in the west"
Here's your sign.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Dissent is easy in a free society. Nobody is coming to kill you for it here. If you really want to impress me then try consensus.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
JetboyDERP, living up to his name yet again.
rodalliAug 5, 2010
The easiest way to fix this is to just disable the ability to bury a story until it has been "alive" for a certain amount of time. 15 minutes, 30 minutes? I'm not sure how long it would be, it's up to the Digg staff.
But that's an obvious "fix" as the reason that this group (a relatively small group) is able to bury anything at all is that they pounce on it before it has a chance to gain any diggs. The digg algorithm is written such that if a story has 5 diggs and 20 buries (from these clowns) in the first few minutes, then it's going to get buried. Eliminate the early bury advantage and you destroy their game.
staffaAug 5, 2010
Might be worth thinking about if it were changed so that buries were just as worthwhile as diggs in getting something to the front page.
Hear me out, if something is worth burying then its interesting enough to garner your attention, it might be interesting to others as well.
The most damaging thing you could do to prevent something from hitting the front page would be to ignore it.
Effects, this gaming system is destroyed.
Stories can hit the front page with negative diggs, This might not be a bad thing, it will still have had to have generated a lot of interest.
A stories presense on the top list will still count buries negativelly of course, thus a massive amount of burries will only present the story for others to see, not make it seem like the story is popular.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
The thing is, the bury is supposed to be for more than just disagreeing with a story. It should also be used for fake submissions, untruthful submissions, duplicate submissions, etc.
leekmiblesAug 5, 2010
That's a good idea staffa. You should have an option to view popular buried (popular by how many buries they got?) articles on the front page at least.
omicronnineAug 5, 2010
Perhaps we need three options for each story: Digg, Bury, and Report. Lots of Digg and Bury activity gets it on the front page, whereas lots of "Report"s would signal that it is spam or inappropriately submitted, etc...
They could just switch to using Report en mass, but that would be a lot harder to hide if they did that on legitimate stories. It would be plain to see what was going on.
diggproofAug 5, 2010
Dissenting opinion? You actually read the article? These people are terrible at tolerating opposing viewpoints. So much so they need an army working around the clock to inflate the size of their pathetic little movement.
It's called astroturfing. Making it look like your group is way larger than it actually is shouldn't be tolerated at all.
Multiple accounts = Multiple bulls**t.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
kind of like the teabaggers do...wait, these ARE the teabaggers
it all makes so much sense
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Methinks the mentioned scumbags have created new accounts. Qerplonk, Diggvillain, noooo that is not obvious... LOL!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I had a couple of accounts of digg before, so what? If Digg would stop acting like China maybe I wouldn't be so persistent.
colecoman1982Aug 5, 2010
@diggvillain: Digg can't act like China, they're a company not a country. As such, they're perfectly within their right under the Constitution to delete any posts they want and ban any users thye see fit to ban even if it's only because they disagree with your political viewpoint (Which they don't, actually, do. The problem here isn't your political views, it's the abusive manner in which you express them).
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Or, you could stop being a douche and getting kicked out, or accept no one likes your opinion and NOT make a bunch of sockpuppets sing your praises. Just sayin'...
caramba421Aug 5, 2010
"If Digg would stop acting like China maybe I wouldn't be so persistent."
The article already addressed your bulls**t persecution complex. Projecting much?
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
He doesn't like the way digg acts, but yet, he has multiple accounts and always persists. Hmmmmm.
thatmarksguyAug 6, 2010
@diggvillian pot meet kettle. You should meet China. You guys have a lot in common and I think you would hit it off pretty well. You both like censorship and control of information. Should also get along with your pitiful band really well.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
@thatmarksguy, your comment is the most pathetic strawman EVER, but of course most libtards can't come up with anything better
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
Claim of fallacy without evidence: Check.
Ad hominem attack: Check.
Welcome to my block list, diggvillain.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Welcome to my "I couldn't care less about **** like you" list, magus.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
@diggvillain
Your mom really should have slapped you around a bit more when you were growing up. Maybe you wouldn't have turned out to be such a disrespectful little s**t.
lucas123Aug 5, 2010
I work with nahsrocketeer75 and he's a commie pinko through and through.
Sorry, Paul. I had to out you.
/s
boutdemcanes91Aug 5, 2010
Here's a thread that became a massive conservative circle jerk when it first reached the FP.
Oh, and look at that, guess which two users have the most diggs in the comment section!! Bettverboten and ChronicColonic..
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered?t=34180527#c34185330
boulderbumAug 5, 2010
Agreed. Ban them. Ban the new accounts they create, too. At least make it a pain in the ass to continue their manipulation, even if you can't stop it.
caramba421Aug 5, 2010
Banning obviously does not work. They need to be sued. Monetary damages would be tough to prove, but they could at least be granted an injuction that prevents these people from continuing to use the site.
dustin00Aug 5, 2010
No.
Digg should have left them alone and flagged them to keep them out of the Digg formula.
Now they'll just return with new aliases.
caramba421Aug 6, 2010
Actually, that's the best idea I've heard yet. Silently make them irrelevant.
kylehaseAug 6, 2010
I think you mean banned from the Internet.
beratebirthersAug 6, 2010
Better yet, ban their sources like Faux News.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Ah, sensor what we don't like... But when this other group does it, it's a crime, it's cheating, it's amoral, but it's okay when your ilk want to do it?
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
Is there a secret web-page set up somewhere where people are conspiring to jump on any FOX news submissions to bury them before they get popular?
No?
Then take your false-equivalencies somewhere else.
emiralyAug 6, 2010
I mother f**king knew it, the second I looked at this article I went back and checked if that right wing spamming assh**e bossm4n was apart of it and he was.... The only user I ever bothered to block for this bitchy little gem.
I used to get up early in the morning and see these ridiculous right wing blog spam garbage websites and angry right wing drivel getting a few hundred votes then later on in the day they get down voted into oblivion.
****s****r in question -- http://digg.com/politics/Barney_Frank_Partisanship_is_out_of_control_in_Congress?t=31068419#c31081405
ergodigitalityAug 6, 2010
f**ken ban there pathetic asses. f**k THEM and f**k THERE STUPID AGENDA.
aquafireAug 6, 2010
Ban everyone who disagrees with you!!!1 yessss
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@aquafire: Kindly stop drawing an equivalent to disagreement with violating a website's TOS through multiple account abuse.
jcougarAug 6, 2010
I think people should have to start using their real names. I think it would encourage better discorse between individuals while also holding them accountable for what's said. Though I personally like the anonymity, in order to stop the annoying racist "gentlemen this gentlemen that" comments and help squelch the political misinformation spread through such users, we are going to have to make people accountable for their actions online. The easiest way is using your real name. As long as you build a reputation as an honest, responsible, and half-way intelligent person, this shouldn't matter.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
Honestly, even if the Internet seems like a cesspool of griefers and abuse, they really are a minority of loud, pathetic individuals. And mandating that everyone use real identities will simply open the door to stalking that sick minds like CaptCarrot are so fond of. I'm sure this won't be popular in this thread, but that goes for the instigators of bulls**t like the DPs as well-- usually an online lynching makes things worse rather than better.
There are real, practical reasons why you should value your online anonymity, and at the same time, remind yourself that you should use that anonymity with care.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
unfortunately they will just make another account. Banning them wont do anything.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
the difficulty with an outright ban on the members of the DP group is that in all likelihood there are some among its members who joined the group and never participated in the TOU-violating activity.
Having said that, I'm sure the digg admins have tools at their disposal to run queries for multiple users burying the same stories from the same IP within seconds of each other.
digitxpsAug 8, 2010
Problem is, these probably have enough time and boredom to get Tor up and running and to set up a couple (hundred) sleeper accounts.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
Actually as dumb as some of the people on the list are I'm actually impressed that they managed to figure Yahoo Groups out. I put tor past them for the time being.
ofnumbersAug 5, 2010
Let's ask Novenator if he thinks there's any group like this.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
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vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
well played
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
you're so *bleeeeeep* decent 8)
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Here's the thing...I'm not friends with novenator. I don't always agree with him, but it's for a reason. I want to be ignorant of some people who bury/digg me and I want to be shown their submissions randomly, not because they are my friends. Some of the diggerals are on my list.
I am also friends with several of the conservatives here on Digg because I want to follow their articles, but not all of them. Again, I don't want to be in a group.
Just from my experience, my comments...what happens is a bit different than you'd expect.
The diggerals promote articles together and bury the comments of the conservadiggers. They have a loosely organised way of article promotion but do not bury comments in concert. They just do it out of habit.
The conservatives heavily promote their articles and massively bury ones they target as bad. That is tight-run. But they don't bury comments like you'd think, except for...the diggerals. They have little to no organisation for burying comments.
Now, do they use other accounts to bury comments? Maybe. But I know who diggs and buries comments and the power conservadiggers leave that stuff alone. In all fairness, the conservadiggers are more hardcore at suppressing articles while the diggerals are more hardcore at suppressing comments.
Yet again, I find myself falling on the side of the diggerals because they at least seem to let articles go and invite debate, but by suppressing the topic itself, no comments can be made. Ultimately I'd like to see things more organic, but whatever.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"The diggerals promote articles together and bury the comments of the conservadiggers. They have a loosely organised way of article promotion but do not bury comments in concert. They just do it out of habit.
The conservatives heavily promote their articles and massively bury ones they target as bad. That is tight-run. But they don't bury comments like you'd think, except for...the diggerals. They have little to no organisation for burying comments."
So.... basically the same way the Democratic and Republican parties work? =P
appleofdischordAug 5, 2010
That's because the 'diggerals' aren't an organization. It's just a representation of Digg's demographic. A lot of us see conservative content in the comments and think, "wow, what a f**kin' idiot" and hit the bury button. It doesn't help that conservative comments are often insulting, ranging from "Odouche" to "libtards". Even "diggeral" is a bit patronizing. I've found that even among liberal comments, typically a respectful dialog will get more diggs than one ranting about how stupid conservatives are (though sometimes a wingnut is a wingnut).
Honestly, I don't see a whole lot of harm in comment burying. There is very rarely any content of substance in comments. Conversely, blindly burying articles causes serious harm to the digg community, because it actually removes *content*.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@appleofdischord
There is an organistion. There's a good 20 or so liberal power users that work together and about 20 conservative ones that do the same. One is the lesser of two evils. We shouldn't have either, but we have powerusers and organised groups in all topics, so...
The difference is that the diggerals get support from the general digg populace who legitimately contribute. The conservadiggers get support from non-traditional digg users who don't participate except to bury articles and sometimes comments.
That said, I think that whether you digg or bury a comment, it does something to help promote the article.
Here's how I think it works:
If an article is upcoming, a combination of # of comments and diversity of them as well as diggs/buries of the comments sets the diggs for the article at a threshold. So, it targets a number of 150 diggs for promotion. If a bunch of unrelated users come in and comment and digg, it could go down to 120 diggs. Then, when the article hits 120, it goes to the front page.
After that, it's competing with other article for Top in News. So if articles in the past 2-3 hours average 250 diggs or so, if this one gets 240, it won't show in top news. But if it gets 350, it may bump an older article. If it keeps steady diggs, it won't decay as fast. This is why it's critical to bury an article AFTER it hits the FP and not before. They know this.
If you bury the article before FP, as long as it's not over 24-36 hours, all you do is MOVE THE BAR, ie change the threshold for promotion. But if you wait until it's FP, other submissions will push it off FP and if you keep the diggs low and buries high, it won't go FP.
Getting to your point about comments, it's like misslindalee. That guy knows that you just make ANY comment and it counts. One-line, whatever. Just comment and digg or bury it. So there is harm in comment burying because it adds to the activity of the submission. Thus, if you go into a conservative article before it's FP, I would argue that burying all of their comments HELPS the article, then if you bury the submission before it's FP you help them as well by making the threshold lower.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theundertokerAug 5, 2010
I can't even take you seriously using 'Diggeral'.
faskippyAug 5, 2010
Trying to justify doing roughly the same thing amounts to "well he did it too!". It's childish, dishonest, and hypocritical. You are no more in the right than those other idiots.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
wtf is a diggeral?
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Would you be happier if I said "Liberal Digg Power Users Group?"
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
You show me some proof of a consentrated effort of these liberal diggers working together to group bury batches of stories/comments and I will join you in condemning them. However, if all we have to go by as your proof is your anecdote, I am sorry but I cannot accept that as proof.
delphium226Aug 5, 2010
@smacksaw
Cool story bro.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@SpruceCaboose
Well, Twitter is down/fail whale right now, but look at Digg community and other digg-related groups. Google the name of your favourite liberal digger with "twitter" after it. See how they post links and RT (retweet) to each other about articles to digg.
Like I said, they're the lesser of two evils. They're not actively...or even passively out there suppressing people, unless you want to say that they're taking up a lot of the digg userpsace by promoting a lot of articles. But if people didn't want that, there wouldn't be a need for a consevadigger bury brigade, we'd bury them ourselves. Which we don't do.
Anyway, what the diggerals...umm...sorry "Digg Liberal Power Users Group" does isn't really insidious because it's right out there in the open for you, me and everyone else to see. The conservadiggers do this s**t on the down low in the shadows.
Which is me re-stating my original post.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Aug 5, 2010
is there such a thing as what you typed out?
gregoryanAug 5, 2010
@ smacksaw
"They have a loosely organised way of article promotion but do not bury comments in concert. They just do it out of habit."
so, basically liberal diggers are democratic.
"The conservatives heavily promote their articles and massively bury ones they target as bad. That is tight-run."
and conservative diggers are fascist.
cool. good point.
lukeatronAug 6, 2010
@smacksaw: I get what you're staying and agree in general. One of the most insidious aspects of what the freepers are doing is the multiple accounts bulls**t. It'd be one thing if there were enough of them to represent a legitimate public voice but they have to artificially inflate their numbers just to make it to the fringe level.
It should be plainly obvious by now that they are full blown extremists. Not legitimate in the least.
smacksawAug 6, 2010
@gregoryan
I think they are. In fact, that's why I always digg up the articles from the "Digg Patriots Legion Of Doom", it's just presenting a topic for discussion and someone's take on it in the description or the article itself.
Things have a way of working themselves out, even if they've been artificially suppressed. All the articles need are a little sunlight. Even the "Digg Liberal Legion Of Super Friends 2.0" puts topics out there, but it doesn't matter because the users will decide.
@lukeatron
You know what this reminds me of? Giving a partial vote or not allowing votes for say...blacks and women, things of that nature. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ddrskataAug 6, 2010
@smacksaw: You're not seriously suggesting that the lack of conservatives on digg (and thus less representation on the front page) is tantamount to denying black people and women suffrage, are you? Each conservative on digg gets a full vote, same as every liberal on here, same as every apolitical techie, etc. They're represented fairly. They may not like how much representation they get, but if that's the case, they need to get more people to join and participate, not try to game the system.
particleman420Aug 7, 2010
so no, there isnt anythign actually like you said but are just assuming that since the RWNJs got caught doing it the 'diggerals' must be doing it too?
universalguyAug 5, 2010
You know I knew they were doing this. They have been doing this not just on digg, but on many other sites.
A great example is yahoo.com. Go check the politics section there, thousands of right wingers who get paid to sit all day and post negative comments about anything that is even slightly about politics.
They have mutliple accounts, and if you try to post anything even remotely positive about the left, or negative about the right, you get downvoted into oblivion by them.
Like someone said earlier, this is how the republican party works. They don't have the numbers, so they have to appear to be the majority by gaming the system.
What pathetic, sad, clowns. I am just glad someone finally exposed them. But we can't stop here...
muffcakesAug 6, 2010
I often don't think much of the Democtratic party but the Republicans as a group are a cancer that is sucking the life out of the United States.
I wouldn't be surprised if the party is secretly working for China.
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
Threatened by truth? How sad. If the only way you can get your own message out is by silencing others, you have a real problem. I see I was one of their targets. What cowards.
greenroom628Aug 5, 2010
agreed. i'm a big fan of a good discussion with opposing sides arguing the merits of each side, but to flat out bury -- well, that's just chicken s**t.
muffcakesAug 5, 2010
Yeah, but people feel differently when their side has no merit.
eastwood24Aug 5, 2010
Ends never justify the means.
shodanxAug 5, 2010
that's how neo-conservatives think
they have no morals whatsoever
the end always justify the means
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Is this really unexpected from right wingers?
nosecohnAug 5, 2010
I never bury an article. Just digg it or leave it alone.
I'll digg down comments if I disagree, but if users set their preferences to see all comments, they'll still see the ones that are dugg down. If the article is buried, there's a good chance nobody will read it. I think that's the point here... if you think it's OK to game the system so that certain viewpoints don't get heard by people, you really shouldn't be living in a free, democratic society.
komgolAug 5, 2010
I bury articles all the time.
But those "articles" are either pictures of cats or poorly written garbage that seems like it came from a high school newspaper.
sports2012Aug 5, 2010
"I'll digg down comments if I disagree"
you're no different than the conservatives mentioned in this story. Digging down someone if you disagree is complete bull**** in my opinion. If its an off base or stupid comment then I agree with digging it down. But to censor someone with a different opinion than your own is wrong.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
It's a way to express your distaste, just like you express that you like it when you digg.
caramba421Aug 5, 2010
"you're no different than the conservatives mentioned in this story. Digging down someone if you disagree is complete bull**** in my opinion."
No, that's what burying is for. I have no problem with conservatives burying my comments. The problem lies in that they are signing up for multiple accounts, circumventing bans, and taking marching orders from their leader. It's like having an election where Rush Limbaugh tells all his people to go vote for his candidate multiple times under different names.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
I disagree with you completely about the purpose of the Digg/Bury buttons on comments sports2012, so thus, I bury you.
To me, they are there as indicators of agreement or disagreement. I digg comments I strongly agree with, and I bury comments that I strongly disagree with or that I feel are insulting to someone/something. If I only sorta agree or disagree, I leave the vote alone.
nosecohnAug 5, 2010
The "How Digg Works" page <http://about.digg.com/how> even says:
> If you find stories with bad links, off-topic content, or duplicate entries,
> click “Bury.” That’s how we get the spam out of the system and let the
> good stuff rise to the top.
There's nothing about burying a story just because you don't like the topic.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
True, and I'm always burying BS submissions that get FP'd because of the stuff the "patriots" did.
If the title or submission text is deliberately misleading (which occurs 90% of the time I run into such submissions), I'll bury it. It's not just disagreeing with the submission, it's flagging it as inaccurate.
thetehAug 5, 2010
I mainly find it dismaying that, rather than doing what they could have done and actually ARGUING with us about the issues (which could have potentially been interesting), they wasted so much energy on the totally meaningless "bury" option. It's a tragic statement about American politics--"don't engage the people you disagree with or consider their views, just give 'em a thumbs down and move on!"
catalysisAug 5, 2010
@RightWingExt
Nobody wants to argue with you because you are a grumpy, immature old man who throws around insults like a 12-year old. If you are half as nasty in real-life, I'm sure you have no friends there either.
thetehAug 6, 2010
RightWingExt: I agree that personal attacks and telling people to shut up are totally uncalled for. But proclaiming that liberals "don't have balls" is a personal attack. So is calling liberals "spineless cowards." I'm a liberal, and I don't much appreciate the insults! :)
As for the points you brough up there, I know many a liberal who still opposes keeping Gitmo open, and wants the Iraq war over.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I'm rather confused... I'm sure they know that this community is more left leaning than anything else, so what are they trying to accomplish? Surely they don't expect to be able to successfully convert many people over to their way of thinking using this method, even before it was put out in the open?
(inb4 'and don't call me Shirley.')
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
It's called fascism.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@Hrodrik: Nope-- there were SEVERAL efforts to get Republican operatives to manipulate social media sites like Digg and Reddit for some time, particularly after November 2008.
msles59130Aug 7, 2010
I added you as a friend, and hope you return the favor. Anyone who was on their hit list, must be a good friend to have.
sarahleeAug 5, 2010
Ha! We knew this was happening. Good to have some proof.
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
They're like a swarm of ants invading a picnic. You could watch them digg down one comment after the other, bang bang bang. Often, they didn't have the courage to even leave a comment themselves -- they were too cowardly to show their faces. Censorship at it's finest.
NickCobbAug 5, 2010
Digg at its finest.
elisevilleAug 5, 2010
But ants don't carry a political hatchet. They don't target for evil reasons.
thetehAug 5, 2010
Yeah, the burying comments without reply really bothers me. I hate seeing a well thought-out response to a conservative post getting buried with -30 diggs, and not a single conservative digger actually replies with anything (or if they do reply, it's short and includes the word "socialism").
smacksawAug 5, 2010
If you friend them, you can see if they've dugg/buried a comment. If they're doing it, they're doing it with other accounts.
curunirAug 5, 2010
@THETEH:
I thought it was only my posts that could hit -30 in less than an hour...
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@curunir
It just shows if they did anything to it.
I've seen comments that are +1/-1 and it has a friends' name on it, so...
And to be technical, it's more of being a "fan" as well, I should have said that. Friend is mutual. Fan just means you want to follow their comments and submissions. Plus, with v4 coming out, it's like subscribing to a feed.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
Just because someone is on my "friends list" doesn't mean that I will auto-digg all their comments. I've seen several comments that have either been written by people on that list, or have been dugg by people on that list that I've just had to bury.
curunirAug 5, 2010
@s73v3r:
Right - that's how it should be. I don't Digg up my friends all the time, but I do make an effort to see what they are up to (time allowing). But the stalking and burying is really f'ed up. For the last 2 or 3 days, I've gotten a steady 3 buries on every post I've made. I know who at least 1 of those are. That's just annoying.
But I don't expect *anyone* to Digg everything I post. That's not how it's *supposed* to work.
In fact, Slashdot has a *much* better moderation system. It's just more focused and less trafficked.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
Yes, it is good to have some proof. Most of us could have rattled off at least 20 names on that list.
sarahleeAug 5, 2010
Guess it is some kind of "badge of honor" :)
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
@sarahlee yes...some kind of 'badge of honor" we must be doing something right (or should I say correct) to be on their hit list of oppression and censorship
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
I wanna be on a list....
/sulking
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
Nobody pays me in gum. :(
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
I was kind of flattered to find myself on it, but I could have told you I was on one just from tracking my own Digg numbers.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
It is great to know there is proof now about what we knew was happening. Hope Digg takes action now
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
It will be their excuse for changing over to that horribly designed 4.0 site.
banskiAug 5, 2010
Even when when these people use the digg comments to organise their crap nothing is done, for example http://digg.com/arts_culture/Shh_Sleeping_Beauties_Are_Trying_to_Get_Some_Shut_Eye_Pics?t=31095371#c31108001
mxm111Aug 5, 2010
DIGG BURY BRIGADE IS REAL!!! I knew it!
zomgondoAug 5, 2010
I caught on to Freeper Friday awhile back... M-Th Digg has good articles, come Friday it suddenly decides it's time to use it's 2nd Amendment right to overthrow Obama the Kenyan Socialist. That continues through the weekend... and Monday it's back to normal.
I figured some group of trolls had to be doing this, but my hat is off to Alternet for unearthing them.
dangercollieAug 5, 2010
I knew they were doing that a long time ago, since way before the last presidential election. Tried getting Digg to sort through the IP's of posters looking for duplicate accounts but they ignored my requests.
Way to go Alternet for uncovering that nest of hypocrites. They won't engage in a fair debate because they lose, so they feel entitled to cheat. Just like Brietbart, Fox News, Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, all of them. We knew they were liars and hypocrites, now we can add cheats and frauds to the list.
Dig far enough and I bet you run into Shirley & Banister somewhere. They're the ones coordinating a lot of the right wing hate mail.
blitz9200Aug 6, 2010
I started noticing it around last November, it was so obvious it was kind of funny. Lately its been getting repetitive and predictable, I wonder if they'll stop now, or try something else. Should be interesting
janinewallaceAug 6, 2010
actually they are still continuing to bury, en mass, Digg has yet to do anything about it
blitz9200Aug 6, 2010
Your right, they definitely aren't. Whatever though, they're only discrediting themselves and their cause, effectively censoring themselves.
scott1Aug 6, 2010
I noticed this happening since summer 2009 but even more importantly we should of seen this coming since it was known since 2008 that Free Republic users were planning to game digg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4350832
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
They're probably wringing their hands, trying to refrain from burying this post!
elisevilleAug 5, 2010
LOL!
envirochemAug 5, 2010
It's got to be killing them to lay low on this post.
xirfanAug 5, 2010
we're not front page news yet! what a horrible irony it would be to have a power user steal this one.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
Can't imagine why it's not FP... with the views & the comments and the Diggs your sub has it should have made FP by now! I've seen articles with less diggs and comments make the FP
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
Well, clearly the 73 digg, 40 comment article about Giuliani's shoplifting daughter is more important.
colecoman1982Aug 5, 2010
Actually, I'm assuming that since, as mentioned in the article, they close down the "Digg Patriots" Yahoo group, they may just be in a little bit of disarray at the moment. I doubt their lack of input here has much to do with actively choosing to stay silent.
wildAug 5, 2010
[I've seen articles with less diggs and comments make the FP]
That is why the freepers act in the early morning, when the site is less active and they can get their stuff to the front easier.
snoogsAug 5, 2010
How am I supposed to know what to bury if I don't have someone telling me what to do?
Thinking is hard!
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
i buried it.
but i never get caught doing anything on digg.
its cool to be the king!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
royalist reported.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
just keep on keeping on brother
your tattles taste like virgin tears to me
nom nom nom
smacksawAug 5, 2010
One thing is for certain, this is a raw nerve. Digg has no sense of humour about this s**t today.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
"Please lie down and assume the party escort submission position."
azwethinkweizmAug 5, 2010
Those that bury my post hate freedom of speech on Digg.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I clicked on the red thumb because I hate you and everything that you stand for. So did all my friends. And I hate freedom and kill puppies too.
lovewidescreenAug 5, 2010
No, they're probably busy getting new, alternate accounts set up.
fungowskiAug 6, 2010
f**k this let's start our own counter operative group. Email me frankfungowski -at- gmail
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Sticks and stones, my friend.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
If what they're doing is wrong, it makes no sense to stoop to their level.
northmassAug 6, 2010
lol I can't believe they wasted so much time burying stories, losers.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
I can't believe you were on there.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Oops, weren't on there.
supergeek13579Aug 15, 2010
they don't have enough manpower to bury this post, it is the most popular post on Digg in the last year. it got a year's worth of diggs in 10 days.
casspaAug 5, 2010
Why show only a truncated list of users?
andyswanAug 5, 2010
Yes, I'd like to know if I am on this list of scoundrels and scalawags!
nainsellAug 5, 2010
Y'arr.
ddrskataAug 5, 2010
Agreed.
dlite922Aug 6, 2010
If you're wondering, you are.
hediggmeAug 5, 2010
Not surprised. I had noticed since last year, just didn't know where it was coming from.
yugosakimiAug 5, 2010
Ditto.
apttomissAug 5, 2010
Not only are these guys crooked conservatives but they are crazy cyber terrorists as well, CaptCarrot aka RJcarter is part of a group called the Yahweh Clan, a cyber terrorist internet group that accuses people of pedophilia. Reminds me in a weird way of the tactics Scientologists use against Anti-Scientologists.
inactiveuserAug 5, 2010
Just spreading the crazy around...
punkrawkstarAug 6, 2010
I knew who it was coming from, because I backtraced it! Consequences will never be the same.
derealbhoyAug 5, 2010
I'd like to know who is behind all those old 4chan memes that get popular...
bigtime2Aug 5, 2010
Everyone else besides these guys.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
'Cause conservatives are too smart to hang on 4chan
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
Or too scared of running into other (much better) cyber bullies at 4chan.
kwcarpenterAug 5, 2010
4chan
evil_doerAug 5, 2010
actually. 4chan is being flooded with neocon tea party types over the past year too. it makes no sense for socially conservative people to go there yet they are all over trying to spread their lies.
jjc5004Aug 5, 2010
@evil- Did you ever think that someone in a place populated entirely with trolls, might be doing to troll?
kwcarpenterAug 5, 2010
It is the troll capital city of the Internet, after all.
lolcoelacanthAug 5, 2010
The Internet is full to the brim with bright young left minded people, so why would they expect us to fall for the same lies, misinformation and propaganda they did?
appleofdischordAug 5, 2010
A 12 year old girl told me last thursday that at least one hundred people are responsible.
copypastryAug 8, 2010
ebaums probably.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
As I type this, one of these wonderful, free speech loving "patriots" just front paged.
maxell101Aug 5, 2010
I'm sure they earned it by submitting something with content. /s
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
They probably use the same bury ring to promote their posts. Funny how they talk about freedom and free speech but censor anything they do not agree with...
maccawaccaAug 5, 2010
very similar to bringing people democracy and freedom down the barrel of a gun. Maybe it's opposites day everyday in conservative land
miatafitz2002Aug 5, 2010
They always do unlike the dope smoking liberal knuckleheads
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
This FINALLY just hit the "top" column on the front. Took all morning and 327 diggs to hit the front page. Ridiculous.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Not sure how the dig internals work, but if enough buries can kill an upcoming sub, it stands to reason that it can be countered by proportionate diggs. Perhaps the DiPs**ts caught it just before it was about to hit the front page and delayed it until enough dutiful netizens could fend them off and get it promoted.
cl1mh4224rdAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
inactiveuserAug 5, 2010
The faster you digg the faster it rises.
FP with 50 diggs is not unheard of.
A few friends, a couple of tweets, a few shadow accounts and way you go, FP!
lukas1051Aug 5, 2010
InactiveUser is right, an article just got to the front page with 36 diggs. We're at >4000 now, that's huge for something that only became popular 8 hours ago. Should get the message across.
spartan777Aug 6, 2010
I work second shift so I often stay up until 5-8am. The last few months I noticed mornings the digg FP was covered in conservative stories, but by noon digg would go back to normal. I assume its hardcore spammers like DP that are the only ones on Digg at 7 am.
miatafitz2002Aug 5, 2010
Maybe you Libs should read it. You would learn somethin. Hah hah hah!!!
delphium226Aug 5, 2010
Learn? Going on past conservative nonsense, it would make a nice change to hear something other than paranoid, fearful, bigoted drivel. But we live in hope!
muffinmonkAug 6, 2010
Then stop typing.
mikeissogroovyAug 5, 2010
Xirfan, they'll be coming for you. Good job sir!
xirfanAug 5, 2010
i think i'll be fine dude if you go look at my history i have nothing to lose.
grindelwaldAug 5, 2010
It's like they are waging a war against reality. When are conservatives going to wake up and realize that reality has a liberal bias.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
You will need to watch your step very carefully. You, Sarah Lee, Novenator, and Anomaly100 will probably be under some very tight scrutiny here on Digg and elsewhere on the web.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ddrskataAug 6, 2010
@Dilberto: Because you guys having one of your people lie about being black to try and get me banned (and managing to get the comment in question deleted), your false flag trolling operation, etc., weren't bad enough. You had to add threatening your enemies to the list.
magily11Aug 5, 2010
We gon find you, we gon find you
shiftupAug 5, 2010
so you can go and tell dat, homeboy.
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
THEY BACKTRACED IT!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
will consequences ever be the same?
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
Interesting, though it’s still hard to argue that digg is not a bit left-leaning in content overall.
Wherever these folks are doing, isn’t working.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
...because Digg's population tends to lean left. That's kinda of how democracies work. These folks are imposing their own Sharia Law on Digg's democratic nation.
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
I'm saying it's right, I'm just pointing out that it is not really working.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Considering all the wingnut, anti-Obama stories front-paging every day on a "left leaning" site, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong.
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
@USArugula
There are a few that hit the front page, but they are small in number compared to “left” stories. There is a significant minority of right leaning folks on dig as well. I’m not surprised that now and than a “right” story would hit the front page. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
Tim, Blinker is a conservative, and he gets stories to the front page almost daily.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
TimtheTaxMan: A disproportionate amount of rightwing stories front page. You probably just don't notice them because digg's majority buries the more absurd ones.
Here's an example. The group's ringleader, bettverboten/Lizbet joined under her current account in April 2009. In little over a year, she has forced 323 stories to the front page, a 20% popularity ratio. http://digg.com/users/bettverboten/
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
@usaugula
A lot of power users have a 20% popular ratio. The power users drive the content on this site.
I want to reaffirm that I'm not defending unscrupulous tactics like multiple accounts, but I don’t think it is so unusual to see a few conservative power users out there.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Wait, so you're arguing that they are banding together as a group to fight the obvious group left leaning people on digg digg, which is itself a democracy.
This is no worse then people organizing themselves to vote in a democracy right.
I mean, if a bunch or Democrats organized themselves to help increase the number of votes in an election, BUSED people to polls, had voter registration drives in Democrat districts. And they blogged about the things they like and try to get other people involved. Is that wrong? They are after all trying to sway the democracy in their favor by increasing their numbers.
Isn't that correct?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
The electoral equivalent of this would be:
* committing vote fraud by voting multiple times
* organizing insurgent takeovers of powerful but little-known groups, like school boards
* deliberately suppressing the votes of other citizens
...all activities, it should be noted, which the GOP is often guilty of.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Not surprising, considering what the Right did with Diebold and the Florida recount. They are only able to pull it off when they do not get too greedy and when the count is close, and this is just further proof. Remember in November just the kind of people behind this are the very same behind every GOP-Tea Party movement across America!
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@novenator
Though Blinker often posts articles which are critical of fringe conservatism and is very good at posting sports articles.
My theory is that if you digg an article/comment of someone you're not friends with, it counts more. I'm not friends with Blinker, his articles show up for my recommendations right before they're going to hit or miss and I find that I often am the digg that makes them go FP.
Since he has a wider appeal than just the far-right fringe, I think that counts for a lot. Because people who digg articles in Political News/Opinion or Sports are going to have his submissions presented to them regardless...like yours are to me. The same thing happens with you. Often I comment, digg your submission and minutes later it will FP. Sometimes I comment, digg much later and then it goes. It's a big reason why you're popular as well. You fit the general demographic of digg and after the main boost of your friends getting your count into the 20's, regular diggers take over. It's the same reason that LtGenPanda needs 350 diggs to get FP now. Not enough diversity in non-friends...he has too many followers.
scott1Aug 6, 2010
I've been suspecting this ever since dailykos and huffington post completely disappeared form the front page and fox news and climate change denial starting appearing on the front page since the summer of 2009 which I found rather since a few months before hand anything that was anti-science or was irrational criticism of Obama was overwhelmingly buried a few months beforehand and while there some strong support for Ron Paul on digg there was almost no support for anything that extreme right.
Kind of surprised that it took this long form them to be exposed.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stonecircleAug 5, 2010
"a bit left-leaning in content" -- Digg is meant to reflect the opinion of its users. Believe me, these folks were VERY successful in what they were doing. I can attest, personally, to seeing my own voice silenced, both in my comments and in the stories I posted. It's good these folks were finally exposed. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. However, you can bet that these folks still don't believe that the playing field should be an even one, and they will find yet another way to cheat the system.
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
I think we have to be careful though. The democratic nature of digg means they have every right to bury a story they don’t like. Obviously if they are using multiple accounts and other trickery to game the system, that should be stopped, but if they are simply burying what they don’t like, I don’t see the problem. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
there is a clear problem. I can attest to having my voice silenced by mass buries of my posts. Burying an article because you don't like it is fine, as is a comment you do not agree with. Although perhaps debate and discussion would be a better choice. But what they were doing is using multiple accounts and sending out emails calling for buries of not only all my posts but other's as well. That is a problem and a violation of the Digg TOS
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
damn ive been trying my hardest to silence you janine...
oh well must try harder.
pathouston22Aug 5, 2010
"I can attest, personally, to seeing my own voice silenced"
What a bunch of crap. My conservative-style comments always get buried. I guess my voice is "being silenced" too?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Individuals can digg or bury whoever they chose, and that is the point of the system. If you have RTFA then you know that is not the issue and you are a liar. If you have not, then please RTFA before you blather any more nonsense
sprucecabooseAug 5, 2010
pathouston22: I bury almost every one of your comments I come across, because I disagree with almost everything you have posted that I have read. Difference is that I do it of my own free will and without anyone suggesting I do so. This story is terrible because people are grouping together and actively getting other users to blindly bury/digg things just because they were asked to.
IOW, You bury me because you disagree with me, fine. If you bury me because you were told to do so by someone else, you are breaking the ToU and you should be removed.
maxell101Aug 5, 2010
Tim- did you actually read this? They sent out massive bury calls? Would you appreciate it if that happened to your submissions?
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
Yes, that is how the success or failure of all front page stories work. All power users have networks of friends that digg or bury stories to the front page. Try to submit a story without this network of friends and see how far you get.
The problem is that these people have been using multiple accounts and other non-democratic tricks.
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
As far as I know, most power users submit for the fun of getting to decide what gets front-paged, and maybe some in order to get paid to shill. The Digg Patriots are the first power users I'm aware of that use power-user tactics solely to promote an ideological agenda.
(Well, maybe the Ron Paul people, but at least they seemed to have some organic support.)
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Then you have not been paying attention. The Zionist bury brigade has been operating ruthlessly on digg for years. The use of megaphone to drive submissions on digg has been similarly documented. Hell, freakoutnation and newsjunkiepost and dialykos have been doing the same thing too. This small group was just attempting to copy the tactics they had seen others use successfully before them.
tzvika613Aug 5, 2010
Oh oh. Code: "angry root plants but happy straw berries"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Bpy4EvivI
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
^^^ Another digg gamer.
tzvika613Aug 5, 2010
;-)
tzvika613Aug 5, 2010
Oh oh. Code: "observant angry root plants in the straw berry field"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Bpy4EvivI
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Vote NOW or republicans will GUT public schools!!!!!
Come out to the voter registration drive and we will bus you to the polls!
Yeah, its only bad when it happen on Digg.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
^^^ another digg gamer. My point it that digg is thoroughly gamed. It is not just a small group. Nothing I listed is top secret or surprising.
tzvika613Aug 5, 2010
@avengingturnip - how am I "another digg gamer."
Note how many buries my comments receive. Booo, hooo, hoooo. Dey bewwy me! I am sooo sad. :'-(Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
I don't cry about it. I just offered it as evidence. Neither you nor I are well loved here. If we knew each other personally we could have a beer and cry on each others' shoulders. As it is, we appear to be mortal enemies. Such is life.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tzvika613Aug 5, 2010
@avengingturnip - how am I "another digg gamer"?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
omg did the troll gaming digg just
weep that's he's poorly organized ?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
thanks for the nice screenshot.
(b4eye4get heheheh - toodles)
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
btw my archives contain
hamas megaphones also.
s73v3rAug 5, 2010
@Codeandoptics: So giving people a ride to the polls so they can vote is bad now? You know Republicans do this too, as do many non-partisan groups.
nolibrariansAug 5, 2010
WTF?
novenatorAug 5, 2010
Turnip, FON, NJP, and theDK are not places where folks conspire to censor conservative content.
tzvika613Aug 6, 2010
@avengingturnip - Still waiting, son. How am I "another digg gamer" as you called me?
ed3839Aug 5, 2010
Reality is left-leaning.
emmeronAug 5, 2010
Reality is subjective. To base ideas on one's subjective views and hold everyone to them is bipartisan.
Ergo, reality is found on both sides.
Facts favor a lot of the left leaning articles, applying facts to create rational concepts tends to be right leaning lately. A total flip from the Bush era, it would seem.
Translation: facts are used as arguments by those in power. Reason is the counter-argument.
The truth... well, no one has claim to that without omniscience. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dukeonkledAug 5, 2010
Reality is objective, although it's subject to tongue-in-cheek statements about reality. ed3839 doesn't really believe the reality is liberal, but instead believes the other way around. At least I hope so...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Reality is objective - perception is subjective.
emmeronAug 6, 2010
Since you and I cannot detach what we experience from our subjective perceptions, I would like to propose that truth is objective and not ever totally known, while reality is our individual (or groupthink) summation of perceptions.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dukeonkledAug 6, 2010
Why did I get buried so much? What I said meant the same thing as leviathon's comment.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
Digg is a bit "left-leaning" (sans the teabaggers, "patriots", or general right-wing sloven verbal diarrhea) because left-leaning is now synonymous with fact-leaning.
curunirAug 5, 2010
I hate that meme.
Reality is subjective.
rotzooiAug 5, 2010
Reality is NOT subjective. The sky *is* blue, we *have* evolved from animals and water *does* consist of a lot of H2O molecules.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
@curunir
Perception of reality is subjective, unless you try to be objective.
sengAug 5, 2010
Wow, as expected. Mention that Digg is left-leaning, and -77 digs in a heartbeat. Go figure. Who's censoring?
sepelesterAug 5, 2010
The difference is that his buries are not coordinated in any way, it's a product of sincere opinion.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
A group of nearly one hundred conservatives have banded together on a Yahoo Group called Digg Patriots (DP), and a companion site at coRanks to issue bury orders and discuss strategies to censor Digg and other social media websites. DP was founded on 21 May 2009. Since then, over 40,000 posts have been logged at a steady rate of around 3000-4000 per month. The “Patriots” Network on coRank is a tool to submit Diggs to a group list as opposed to sending an e-mail every time. It also has some tools that make submitting to the list as easy as clicking on a bookmark.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
Maybe people don't like being told they're leftists when that's not how they see themselves?
Digg is only "liberal" in that compared to the far-right wingers, everything to left of them is liberal by comparison.
blacklabelsarAug 6, 2010
Seng, can't handle the Free Market?
usarugulaAug 6, 2010
BlacklabelSAR: You win Digg.
furiousmoeAug 5, 2010
"Interesting, though it’s still hard to argue that digg is not a bit left-leaning in content overall."
That's because the right wing are mostly old folks with fragile fingers who can't operate complex technical whatsits and thingamajigs! They are old and tired, just like their ideals.
sengAug 5, 2010
And the liberals are the youngsters, who have idealistic theories about how things should run, and have no real experience to realize that there's no practical way to get these ideas integrated into society. Just look at the fool we have as a president. Banning offshore drilling only hurts the economies of the coastal states with refineries. Obamacare will only result in fewer doctors for more patients, etc., etc., etc.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
timelessbwAug 5, 2010
Now, don't insult the elderly by saying r-wingers are mostly old folks. There are plenty of young r-wingers who don't have a clue that they are being duped.
furiousmoeAug 5, 2010
@seng I think a pollution free coast line is more beneficial to the economic region then the .02% of oil we get from off shore drilling. They'll be fine. better yet, why don't we hand over subsidies that the big oil companies get, to research companies developing alternative energy sources and fuels, oh yeah, that because the GOP is in big oil's pocket..(remember? that's why we went to war). If you're so worried about the economy why don't you call your local Republican Senator or Congressmen and ask them to cut the tax breaks for American companies who outsource tech and manufacturing jobs overseas.... is it because Obama wants to let the Bush era tax breaks expire, and "since it's something that Obama wants to do it must be pure evil!" oh! that's right, you're more worried about the jobs the illegal immigrants are taking like picking f**king lettuce and mowing my lawn!
Don't you ever get tired of all the bulls**t you get fed by people who have way more to gain from you believing it then you do?
darwininmotionAug 11, 2010
@Seng Because it's hard we shouldn't try?? f**k, we better all just go run onto a highway and end it all.
enantiodromiaAug 5, 2010
Tim, I have asked all of my Digg Friends, Twitter followers, Blog subscribers, IRC/IM friends, to bury all of your posts for the next two weeks, because I just don't like you based on one comment. Sound fair?
/s
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
The whole point of digg is to digd what you like and bury what you don’t like.
If you and your friends want to bury me because you don’t like me, that is what digg is all about.
I take positions different from either the mainstream left or right all the time. I am used to the abuse :)
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
enantiodromiaAug 5, 2010
you're missing the point though...
bury brigades are like people who complain to the FCC about a show they have never seen, but are supplied the form letters to sign and mail.
digg shouldn't be about "who has the bigger posse to blind digg and blind bury".
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
@enantiodromia
digg has been that way forever. Power users and their circles of friends control are responsible for almost every story that makes it to the front page. It’s not a conservative or liberal problem. People are acting like it is some new grand conspiracy just because some conservative are doing what has been done almost since digg’s creation..
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Wow, you just stick with that "No, or So What" mantra, Tim. These slimeballs were actively trying to game the system and now there is proof.
Just admit it!
You are not on the list so why on earth would you attempt to defend these jerks?
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
@nowingnutlies
Why isn't everyone up in arms against all power users and front-page manipulation? Beyond that, what is the point of digging unless you want to influence the front page?
What I have a problem with, is that they are using their dislike of conservatives as an excuse to smear them with something that has been going on forever by all power user groups.
I have said all along, that I disagree with any unfair tactics like multiple accounts and that sort of thing. I’m sure that problem extend far beyond just conservatives though.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Well than Tim, do your own investigation and find these liberal groups (like there is such a thing, you cannot get liberals to agree on anything until something like this happens) and do your own expose. Otherwise you are just being an apologist for people doing something you claim to hate because they are on your side when you really should be MORE upset for them making conservatives like yourself (seriously, look at your OWN comment history before claiming not to be Conservative) look like cheats and liars. Until that time that you can prove "both sides do it" you have nothing and should just accept that this entire argument you have presented is a relativism-fallacy.
timthetaxmanAug 5, 2010
@nowingnuties
I am not not being an apologist. I have said all along that if they are using multiple accounts and that type of thing it is wrong. I'm simply saying that power users and front page manipulation is a fact of life on digg. All groups do it and it is unfair to criticize just one.
I am not conservative, I am a classical liberal. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Political leanings aside, there is no organized group on the left of Digg that has been exposed to have external meetings about who, what comment, or what story to digg or bury into oblivion. If you think there is one, prove it. These people are scumbag extremists who have no other option to get their talking points out there than to make what is probably an "astro-turf" organization to spread their lunacy. Progressives do not have this as they neither have the organization, willingness, or need to do so. Unfortunately, this has lent itself to the entirety of US politics in general which has dragged the entire debate to the far-right. Saying "They do it too" without any proof whatsoever nor an understanding of the group you are accusing is a relativism-fallacy and I am not sure how you are missing that, and honestly I think the entirety of your argument is disingenuous because of this basis.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@Tim: Your basic argument-- "Digg is left-leaning, so it's plausible there's a similar group on the left doing such bulls**t" is a tu quoque fallacy. Whether one exists on the left is irrelevant-- the fact remains that Digg Patriots is gaming the system for political gain.
solistusAug 5, 2010
The Republicans are so far right by the standards of anyone but Republicans that they represent the tiny extremist fringe parties in most countries. A big chunk of their supporters want to move even further right. Outside red states in the US, there is pretty much no democratic society on earth where any significant number of people support policies that far to the right. What you call left-leaning, the rest of the world calls centrist or even center-right.
seedypeteAug 5, 2010
REALITY is left-leaning. Or, to put it another way, most of the conservatives who post here live in a fantasy world. Take it up with the universe if you have a problem with it.
smokedgoudaAug 5, 2010
What you say is true in essence, but the reality of the situation is that a lot of rhetoric from the right is based on lies and distortions. FoxNews watchers may revel in lies and distortion, but most reasonable people don't.
grey580Aug 5, 2010
The current crop of conservaties is so far right leaning that the center seems to the left for them.
airjazzAug 5, 2010
Hey. You are right btw. you shouldnt be dugg down.
michaelr18Aug 6, 2010
Digg is obviously left-leaning. Not convinced at all they have any outsized control (although clearly that little group is beyond pathetic - and do they seriously think they'll convince Digg's viewership??). My proof? I'll get buried too.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bjornskiAug 6, 2010
Aww, you poor little victim, you.
glassagateAug 6, 2010
"Everyone knows that reality has a liberal bias."
-Colbert
hdrkidAug 5, 2010
I hate bury brigades and people who are afraid of new ideas so they want to ban em. It seems we lose more liberty every year.
stikytAug 5, 2010
I feel that Digg like any community based website is gradually passing it's mature stage and progressing into stagnation. It's evident in the amount by the amount if 'in jokes', popular community figures, inbred ideas/opinions, exploitation of the system and lack of fresh members that Digg will soon devolve into a tired, worthless shadow of once it was.
The sad part is I don't think it's possible to recover from this, I've never any other website avoid it once it's reached a certain point. In fact it's almost an inevitability with some many people in the same place for so long.
analjusticeAug 5, 2010
You might be right about this. There used to be a lot more diversity on the front page of digg but now the content usually features a small, localized subset of all the submissions that caters to the things you described. I think the problem is that this positive reinforcement of similar opinions and collectiveness from like minded individuals eventually causes them to become less tolerant and reject new ideas. However I'm no social analyst and could have no idea what I'm talking about.
numbAug 5, 2010
Same here hdrkid. Shame on these people and shame on any of the other organized bury brigades out there--and we all know they're out there. Although most of the people exposed this time had struck me as unsavory, some have been "friends" of mine, some for years. All I can say is I'm really disappointed.
izultAug 5, 2010
therein is the key "any of the other organized bury brigades". It stands to reason if there's a conservative leaning bury brigade then there is a liberal leaning one as well. If we're going to point fingers and call one bad and evil let's be honest and call them all bad and evil. But let's not forget, in our zeal to point out the abuses, that people are within their rights to legitimately agree or disagree with an article or comment.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
phydeaux70Aug 5, 2010
I just despise the typical 'Here comes the right/left circle jerk' crap.
I don't mind debate, and in general like to learn new things by listening to the opinions and experiences of others. While at heart I am quite conservative, I don't mind some liberal ideas if they are based on solid reasoning.
When the name calling starts, and people start being rude, I just feel as if Digg has degraded to the state of a high school chat room.
dangercollieAug 5, 2010
So take a stand, fight back.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
I was apathetic and uninvolved for many years. It took Bush getting re-elected in 04 for me to get off my ass and realize I needed to do something.
vitalogstAug 6, 2010
Did we ever really have it? It seems nice to think so but i'm not really sure.
djshayAug 5, 2010
Do these tards not have jobs? Or does the GOP pay them to censor freedom of speech? The right in this country is just disguting. Duplicitous, evil, bigoted @ssholes.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
My guess is that this *is* their job. There are plenty of conservative groups and corporate think tanks fat with money who would pay well for this type of disinformation service.
upnorthgirlAug 5, 2010
I often wondered that too, and sometimes wanted to ask some of them if it was their shift.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
And you call us conservatives crazy and conspiracy theorists. Someone needs to stop trying to victimize themselves.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
I'm a stay-at-home dad and I work part-time. I also can't sleep much. I'm pretty active, but these people blow me away. They have to be getting some compensation, but not all of them. SEO pays well if you're good at it.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
@darkened. If there is one thing we now about the Republicans, it is that they are organized. They have information on their base unlike anything seen before. It really is not that hard to imagine some corporation or think tank saying "how about we spend $1,000,000.00 a year propping up some of our base so that they can spend their time weakening the progressive message online?"
bookantAug 5, 2010
@darkend
Did you not read the article? There's no "conspiracy theory" if the conspiracy has already been proven to exist. The question simply was - are they doing this for free or for pay?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
The conspiracy theory is that this was some how orchestrated by the Republican party directly or indirectly with financial incentives. This is a group of a people that organized to bury liberal biased information. There is clearly just as many if not 10x more from the other side to bury conservative biased information regardless of whether they're organized or not.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
Again, it wouldn't take much money and the payoff would be huge.
supplysidejebusAug 5, 2010
I suspect that a lot of the Teabaggers are unemployed. It must be difficult to keep a steady job when you live in a shack out in Montana. And then there are the conservative housewives, whose daily routines consist of cookin', cleanin' and burying stories on Digg. What a sad existence they must have.
user500Aug 5, 2010
its the fail'n Palin lifestyle
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
The thought of Teabaggers railing against the government while simultaneously collecting unemployment just made me feel a bit superior for a second. Damn my liberal elitism.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Unemployment is earned from a loss of income that was rightfully yours. However currently the system as it stands allowing 99 weeks of usage clearly is a form of welfare but I'd much rather welfare for people that were atleast at some point productive members of society unlike the entirely free handouts to unproductive members of society.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ryokuchaaAug 5, 2010
Sometimes I really wish we lived in the republican ideal world... Just for the satisfaction in knowing that 95% of the current republicans would see how s**tty a life they would really be living, while the top 5% get fat off slave wage labor. In fact, the middle east is probably a pretty close representation of that, where the church runs the country.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Every time I 'm buried without response proves my point is undeniable and the only way to deny it is to pretend it's not there.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
@darkened-
What does this even mean: "but I'd much rather welfare for people that were atleast at some point productive members of society unlike the entirely free handouts to unproductive members of society."
You open with: "Unemployment is earned from a loss of income that was rightfully yours."
So, by your own admission (besides that it's a fact), you need to pay into the system in order to benefit from unemployment. So, how can people that are currently on unemployment be "unproductive members of society" receiving "free handouts"? They had to pay in and meet requirements in order to get the unemployment.
http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/archive/unemployment_compensation.shtml
"In order to qualify for benefits, an unemployed person usually must have worked recently for a covered employer for a specified period of time and earned a certain amount of wages."
...but don't let the facts stand in the way of your talking points.
ryokuchaaAug 5, 2010
@darkended
Yes that is definitely what it proves.
Or people feel you are a troll.
Yes definitely one of those two things.
Every time I get a digg it proves to me a super hottie wants to have mad crazy passionate love with me.
When I am buried it proves to me they are admitting they are not hot enough.
I guess we are all dreamers in our own ways.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
The point of the article was that it was semi-automated. It would only take 5 minutes if you received a message saying "bury these 20 articles".
pathouston22Aug 5, 2010
And the left in this country are innocent sweet little things!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
for what it's worth: I've witnessed a number of these retards claim to be business owners on numerous occasions. So maybe they were telling the truth.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
I would like to note that making a vicious blanket statement about a group of individuals that make up about 50% of your country, many of whom are independents, is in itself a bigoted remark. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Expect to be buried for making a factual unbiased statement by the progressives because that's the type of progress they want.
delphium226Aug 5, 2010
Care to back your figures up?
ryokuchaaAug 5, 2010
There are true independents, who will sit down and actually listen to all points of view, not just left or right, and make a decision based on solid facts and the content of the ideas and character of the person, do they actually believe what they are saying, or are they saying it because it will get them more votes. Most true independents also do not think the two party system is a viable system, it leads to having to be for or against an entire set of issues.
There are also "independents" who call them selves independents, who will watch fox news, claim that it is being fair and balanced with all points of view. Will make vicious statements about anything they do not agree with, and when they have no hard evidence against why their ideas are better, go with personal attacks, or make up some random statistic out of nowhere that some how proves their claim. Also think stapling some teabags to their hats, some how makes them more patriotic than anyone else.
delphium226Aug 6, 2010
Ho hum.... still waiting for those figures...... tick tock....
inactiveuserAug 5, 2010
Fox news pays s**tloads for its spam trash agenda.
m0lluskAug 6, 2010
Retired people are often conservative web fiends. Old and scared, they are.
jack104Aug 6, 2010
yea and the left are just total innocent competent moral angels right? Partisanship is idiotic.
splashy79Aug 6, 2010
I bet many are either on Social Security or Disabilities, or retired from the Military. They are the only people with lots of time on their hands, and the need to push a conservative agenda even though they are benefiting from liberal programs.
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
I knew it. I f**king knew it. I knew it over a year ago when they were gaming Digg from their #DiggCons Twitter page:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/DiggCons_The_HQ_for_conservatives_spamming_Digg
They spiked that story (despite it getting nearly 300 authentic diggs -- I only had a handful of Digg friends) and then vanished into the woodwork. I thought they'd given up, but they obviously just holed up even deeper. And they've denied it endlessly and called people who complained about the daily right-wing circle-jerks paranoid. f**king assh**es. Every last one of them should be banned.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at some of their twitter pages. Some of these folks have hundreds – sometimes thousands – of followers they tweet Digg links to beyond their yahoo strategy room.
rotzooiAug 5, 2010
Many of those Twitter accounts are mirrors; I get harassed by conservatives (#tcot) on Twitter a lot, and often will receive the exact same abuse messages 20 times within half an hour.
Shame Twitter don't see that as spamming, because individually, each account looks fine.
thetehAug 5, 2010
Yes, yes, I remember it starting with diggcon. I figured we hadn't seen the last of them trying to game digg and get their submissions fake diggs.
ifeiceAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
delihoundAug 5, 2010
Man, it does explain why it always seems like all the super conservative comments are in groups.
akchrsAug 5, 2010
Your swearing violates the TOS.
to post or transmit, or cause to be posted or transmitted, any Content that is infringing, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive, offensive, profane, or otherwise violates any law or right of any third party;Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
apokalypsenowAug 5, 2010
Well lets see, it isn't infringing, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, abusive, or law breaking... so that just leaves obscene, offensive, and profane. I don't find it to be any of these things, and those are all subjective labels, so they are purely in the eye of the beholder.
If it bothers you, turn on the word filter.
caramba421Aug 5, 2010
When all else fails, just start in with the red herrings, right?
blackmesa108Aug 5, 2010
akchrs is one of those right wing jaggoffs...
animusjonesAug 7, 2010
f**k the f**king f**kers, that profane enough?
zerocubedAug 5, 2010
I usually see it when comments get buried. If you turn on the digg/bury ratio, you see an odd pattern in some string of comments - there would usually be a common number between them for buries (such as, all of them get 3 buries).
It might help with the democracy of Digg if users are able to view who diggs/buries them. Groups like these would be more easily spotted if we were able to see that a certain group of users is doing an awful lot of collective burying.
wkrausmannAug 11, 2010
Yup, when I make a comment that is contrary to the typical Digg user, I notice that all comments I make get Dugg down no matter how long it's been since I made them. It's not surprising to me that when conservatives do what liberals have been doing all along that they get outed like this. Liberals don't rat out their own no matter how wrong they are.
ineedanewsn1992Aug 6, 2010
I find it sad that they have to resort to their "STOP BEING PARANOID!" antics. If there weren't any lies in the first place, then we would have no reason to be so interested in how things are really working.
Too bad some Conservatives don't understand that exploiting other people is not a successful means to an end. Whether it takes years, decades or centuries to come to light...it will eventually. I just wish the people who carry on this behavior with our economy and government would get jail time for it.
soleanthiaAug 6, 2010
I love how it has over 300 diggs and it's still in the "upcoming" area, when I've seen articles make the front page with far less.
fungowskiAug 6, 2010
Let's get our sweet revenge. email me frankfungowski -at- gmail and let's get our own started
johnfluxAug 6, 2010
Please don't. It's important to maintain a moral highground. If you guys start burying conversative stories in retailiation then it makes you no better than them.
fungowskiAug 6, 2010
That doesn't mean we can't provide a counter-balance to the stories that are artificially pumped by the named offenders
thetehAug 6, 2010
Nope, that's a terrible idea. Liberal diggers outnumber them drastically, and you've probably been around long enough to notice that the conservatives might manage to cheat their pages on to the top "upcoming" list, but once they actually hit the home page they usually get sunk by liberal diggers. So our democracy still functions, and the conservative diggers are just wasting time and energy that they could be spending on more interesting debates.
wkrausmannAug 11, 2010
JohnFlux, stories are buried for being conservative as a rule without any organization. It's a liberal reflex.
Fungowski, you said you favor conservative view points more...is why we are being Dugg down right now.
THETEH, you're right. I don't know why this is even a problem because liberals will always Digg their stories up and bury the conservative stories automatically like it was reflex. They don't need to organize, they just do it.
phillyocAug 5, 2010
Title is sensationalist and wrong,l but that is expected in this case.
As for the stat-padding and such, you could have fooled me. Conservatives normally get destroyed for voicing their opinions here. probably because most of them have the intellect and vision of sister-banging 5th-grade dropout rednecks.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
maxell101Aug 5, 2010
Read it again.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
I think the main thing that the group was able to effect was the upcoming section. As a regular debater with them, I know my comments get hammered in upcoming (they literally follow me around to bury every comment I make), but when a story pops, the ratio almost always turns around.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
Yeah I've seen a lot of your comments for upcoming stories heavily buried but with no reply. Especially when you're the sole commenter.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
You are definitely more active/vocal than myself, but i have encountered said behaviour many times. I never had as large a "fan following" as you, but i had a number that buried EVERYTHING i posted. In fact, i left for a couple weeks because of abuse and badgering by these folks. They were trying to reveal my real identity. I guess you could say i got to them a little...eh? Too bad Digg mods refuse to do anything about this.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
You are #1 on that, sir. Again, I guess since we're going to Digg v4 it's fine to spill all of the beans about the algorithm and theories on it, but I think they're actually harming themselves by burying you.
My theory, based upon my observation is that there are several factors in promoting a story. Diggs, buries, comments, comments dugg and comments buried.
If you have an article with 100 diggs and 150 comments, those don't do well. If there's one with 20 diggs, 20 comments and the commenters all digg every comment, that's bad.
But if it's you, even if they BURY you comment, it's a good thing. The article is "controversial" and the submission heats up. I think that if they did not comment and did not touch the comments they would hurt you.
The crux of it is that it's based upon attention, but random attention. Focused attention hurts where they want it to help, and help where they want it to hurt. I've watched your submissions go DOWN in diggs and I "rescue" it at the end and it goes FP shortly afterward...so...what the hell does that mean? By "rescue" I mean I comment, digg some comments and digg the article. I always digg the article last.
covenAug 5, 2010
I've been in the same boat as you for a long time, nov. Always buried in upcoming and vindicated on the front page. almost makes me wish I were more active in recent months. Great to finally see lizbett and her cohorts getting exposed.
joest23Aug 5, 2010
I noticed that, too. You replied to a comment of mine in upcoming a few weeks ago and were buried into oblivion, and when it broke, u-turned.
wildAug 5, 2010
I've always enjoyed watching when I make a particularly "liked" comment in response to some freeper craziness. Suddenly every other comment I have made on the site for the previous couple days drops by the same number of diggs as the troll through my comment history.
I thought it was more just an amusing waste of their time and they couldn't really stop the signal. Now I see just how much they were doing and its a bit frightening.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Nope, they do that to me too, Wild.
quaestor44Aug 6, 2010
@VegetableLamb: Are you kidding?
Novenator's comments are regularly dismantled and utterly destroyed. He almost NEVER responds to his critics. His inability to adequately follow up on someone's argument have led many to believe he is simply a troll who spams progressive talking-points.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Read it again implies that Philly read it once.
thetxiAug 5, 2010
Implies that Philly can read.
glassagateAug 6, 2010
"Everyone knows that reality has a liberal bias."
-Colbert
quaestor44Aug 6, 2010
that's cute.
equinox2o12Aug 5, 2010
Small minded trogs, the lot of them. I hope they all catch The Gay!
nosecohnAug 5, 2010
LOL!
lolcoelacanthAug 5, 2010
They Gay: caused by the FAB virus
funnythatAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
equinox2o12Aug 5, 2010
You're such a Straightist! Reported
/s
mnxxxAug 5, 2010
Lol!! Well we don't want them either. I say sell them on ebay!
pintomp3Aug 6, 2010
alanocu is gay. For some reason he aligns himself with the side that hates people like him.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
When they behave this way in day-to-day life is any wonder why we don't trust conservatives in government?
meddelemAug 6, 2010
Sara Palin.
zacharytelschowAug 6, 2010
To be fair, I don't trust anyone in government. The only person I want handling my money is me.
tunapezAug 5, 2010
Said it 2 years ago, and here to say it again: f**k digg & their mrbabymen collusion!
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Glad you're back.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Isn't MrBabyMan on that list?
smacksawAug 5, 2010
They're SEO competitors, that's all. It's just business. They're competing for space on the front page and sometimes they promote political articles. That's all.
zerocubedAug 5, 2010
If you checked the list (or at least do a cntrl+F of it) you would see that MrBabyMan is not on that list. Not that MrBabyMan, based on his submissions, would be considered a crazy conservative. He's just a power user.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
No, Zero, he was on a list of their "hits"
lukas1051Aug 5, 2010
MrBabyMan is a power user. Lots of people don't like the power users because it seems they have some sort of Digg circle-jerk going on which means anything they submit gets powerdugg. Not as bad as what these people are doing, and if anything, we could use the power of users like MrBabyMan to fight them.
wkrausmannAug 11, 2010
Wait a minute, are you trying to say that MrBabyMan is gaming the system?
killermothAug 6, 2010
mrbabyman hate is so 2007.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
...and it goes to show, once again, that people who make it a point to call themselves 'patriots' are usually nothing of the sort
envirochemAug 5, 2010
The moment one calls them self a patriot and wraps them self in the flag they should be tried for sedition and questioned as a traitor. A true patriot doesn't need to tell people or advertise it because their actions will speak for themselves.
soc7Aug 5, 2010
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. I'm not quoting Johnson here, I'm just saying I'm skeptical of some of the things that go on in this country in the name of patriots.
kevenmAug 5, 2010
Burying crappy stories =! censorship
sdornanAug 5, 2010
I don't understand patriotism. I praise my country when it does the right thing and decry it when it does the wrong thing. It's that simple. Blindly supporting everything your country does makes no sense to me.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
In this case it's not so much about "blindly supporting everything your country does" as it's about illegitmizing the American-ness of one's ideological opponents and fostering a sense of moral self-righteousness.
sdornanAug 5, 2010
That's true. What they call patriotism is really more like nationalism.
m1ntb3rrycrunch Aug 5, 2010
I think it's the same mentality with sports fans. Everyone seems to think their local team just happens to be the best.
ergodigitalityAug 6, 2010
I love how 'patriots' can put new meaning to words.
cfuseAug 6, 2010
Yeah, but the 'traitors' is a lousy gang name.
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
Do you know what's hilarious? This is *exactly* what ClimateGate was supposed to be like, according to the right-wing blogosphere. Except this time it's not taken-out-of-context bulls**t.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
They couldn't find any facts to back up their views so they resorted to gaming Digg, hollow victories for hollow heads I guess.
x9002Aug 5, 2010
When a rational person can't find unbiased facts to support his opinion he realizes he might be wrong and then reevaluates his views. A fanatic however clings to his ideology regardless, only in bad television is that considered a positive trait.
bearkillAug 5, 2010
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
mindbulletAug 5, 2010
They'll probably digg your comment up because they think your talking about 24.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I was surprised at some of the names that were NOT on the list. But it's a safe bet you didn't need to be a charter member to have your submissions autodugg by the "digg patriots".
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
The first rule of DiggPatriots is you do not talk about DiggPatriots.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
Comment of the thread so far, well said.
mindbulletAug 6, 2010
... You said that if anyone ever interferes with Project HandPrompter, even you, we gotta get his balls.
spanchoAug 5, 2010
If I could I would double digg!
ryokuchaaAug 5, 2010
Just make a second account, it's what all the true "DiggPatriots" do!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
That is more of a Giovarro thing to do.
http://www.digg.com/users/jordan117
http://www.digg.com/users/novenator
spanchoAug 6, 2010
wow dude get a life.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
sent this message to Digg Support:
I don't know how substantiated the claims in this article may be, but I'd imagine those involved have clearly violated the Terms of Use. http://blogs.alternet.org/oleoleolson/2010/08/05/massive-censorship-of-digg-uncovered/
received back:
Hello from Digg.com.
The issue is being investigated. We appreciate your concern, and thank you for taking the time to contact Digg.
If there are any other issues, please don't hesitate to contact us.
-The Digg Support Team.
I would encourage others to contact Digg support about this as well.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
I contacted them as well. Thanks for the suggestion
toaster7Aug 5, 2010
This isn't going to help. The problem is the system, not the bad apples. These folks will just make new accounts Digg should have effective algorithms that prevent the same group of people getting buried in synchrony by the same burying brigade. Until then, there's nothing preventing this from happening again.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
I'd rather make an effort than do nothing. Even if it thwarts the efforts of this loony cabal for just a short time, at least that little bit happened.
envirochemAug 5, 2010
@VL,
I agree. We may not be able to stop the loony cabal, but we shouldn't give them a free pass either.
cl1mh4224rdAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
jasvllAug 5, 2010
"This isn't going to help. The problem is the system, not the bad apples..."
This doesn't explain why you think contacting the people responsible for building and improving this system won't help.
skillelAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
jasvllAug 5, 2010
@Skillel
Of course, banning users is A PART OF THE SYSTEM in question. Arguing that they should focus exclusively on this aspect of the system (not even improving it, just maintaining the status quo of banning offenders who then create new accounts) makes me think you're one of the offenders in question. Otherwise, you're just wrong.
And 'hackers' prove that you can improve a system to the point where people will give special (although overused and essentially meaningless) titles to the few that can actually get around the rules of that system. Onward and upward digg developers.
illepicAug 5, 2010
Doing the same. Will be the first time I've ever contacted Digg support about anything.
ninjaboyAug 5, 2010
Woah woah woah, As an IT guy id have to say don't contact them unless you have some new information. I know you think if you all submit a support request that it will show public concern, but really you are probably just filling up their ticket system to bug tracking software.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
When you submit a request it specifies what the nature of the request is, I doubt notifying them about a possible term of use violation will get routed to the bug-tracking/troubleshooting staff.
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Agreed, after the first couple of reports, this post making it to the front page was more than enough to gett Digg's attention. Anything more would just gum up the works.
cglassAug 5, 2010
Disagree wholeheartedly.
The more emails they receive, the stronger the message.
Just because you are lazy NinjaBoy, does not mean you should silence your opinion.
Email Email EmailComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
colecoman1982Aug 5, 2010
Normally I'd agree, but this is the kind of problem that Digg has been told about time and time again. They have, simply, refused to do anything to rectify the systemic abuse going on. For an example of effective management, look at the way Blizzard games handles abuse in World of Warcraft. It's not uncommon to hear about them mass-banning tens of thousands of accounts at a time. At this point, I think they need to hear it, constantly and loudly, from every source of user input possible until they either fix the problem or drown in the letters.
skillelAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@Colecoman1982: You know, look at the number of diggs on this submission. Over eight thousand! The DPs could get away with it before because they knew that Digg is perennially understaffed and underfunded, and that they would look at this sort of gaming as annoying at worst.
But now the entire Digg community (at least, the entire community in Politics/Political Opinion) knows what the scheme is, and they now know with conviction that the DPs were cheating all along. I think that will be far, FAR more damaging to their agenda than anything Rose & Co. can do (well, other than flag those accounts as never being able to influence articles again).
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
That message looks familiar. I notified them of users that were abusive and badgering toward me a couple weeks ago. Guess what? They are still around.
clearmediumAug 5, 2010
Well. If a large enough number of people contact them regarding the same issue they may take notice. Were not dealing with a faceless corporation here.
Also first time I ever emailed them as well.
jetblackz4Aug 5, 2010
Yah, so you can also get a generic response that they just delete after receiving.
nosecohnAug 5, 2010
There's an inherent conflict in digg. The site's base concept to be democratic in a true sense... one user, one vote. But then they've got the social networking side, with all these tie-ins to friends, facebook, power users, etc. It creates a tension between true democratic promotion of stories/comments and people with a certain agenda banding together to affect the outcome. Clearly, the tactics outlined in this article demonstrate a gaming of the system, but even for users who stay within the TOS, the system has conflicting goals.
Personally, I'd tend toward making it more democratic, getting rid of power users, friending, burying and all the social media tie-ins. But of course, digg is a business, so I think they'll keep those things in order to maximize profit. If so, we really should stop expecting it to be democratic. People will always find a way to manipulate a system where the people at the top don't make equal representation their top priority. In the end, the driving force is capitalism, not equality.
sengAug 5, 2010
Mooooooooooom! I don't like these people, please make them go away!!!
aces08Aug 5, 2010
the democratic side should be one user one vote, no power users/ multiple accounts. The DP users did not have a profit agenda attached, they are just trolls.
so i sent digg a message, thanks for the suggestion
nosecohnAug 5, 2010
The "What is Digg?" page <http://about.digg.com/> says: "We’re committed to giving every piece of content on the web an equal shot at being the next big thing." But every non-power user who's submitted content knows that's not true.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
Actually, if the submission is well-trafficked, it could get FP'd.
But statistically speaking, you're correct.
aidenagAug 6, 2010
I found out about this guys gaming the site i worked at(propeller.com) in early 2009 and we dealt with them then.. I even went to the trouble of reporting the ringleader(lizbett) to digg and showed them without a doubt that her new account was Betverbotten and lizbett account got banned..
THEY DID NOTHING.... This is all on digg for not giving a s**t about content for the last 2+years...
dengzhiAug 6, 2010
don't need to spam them now you idiots
thickdrummerAug 7, 2010
I contacted them last year about the growing number of pro-BNP articles and openly racist opinions, and was angered by the generic bulls**t response I got from Digg.
wkrausmannAug 11, 2010
Eh, just a form letter. I'd be surprised if a person really read that.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiggPatriots/
The Digg Patriots cheating Group has officially been scrubbed. I wonder where they will run and hide at now?
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
"Abort! Abort! Abort!"
According to the article, it appears Skype already in the works. I guess anything short of realtime manipulation of public discourse is too slow for them.
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
they'll probably be using Skype, as the article says. I think they are already gaming on Reddit and Stumble so they'll operate in those venues for awhile until they are found out and exposed like here. Great article..
evil_doerAug 5, 2010
the good news is.. to get bigger they need to "advertise" more and try to recruit new people. so its really hard to stay private. easy for a mole to get in and document it again.
shrimpcrackersAug 5, 2010
Janine, I don't think you understand how Reddit works. They can try to downvote me and others, and they'll see tons of downvotes to appease their ego, but in reality it's not happening. Stumble however...
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Your paranoia is pathetic.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Dilberto, I think it is a little late to be trotting that bulls**t out now, champ. HAHAHAHA! Couldn't happen to a nicer group of scumbags!
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Oh no! I'm sure no one suspected they would close the site down! LOL! Screen shots are a beautiful thing. I took one or two when this post was first submitted. Or 3 or 4.
I sent a tweet to the German, "how dare you!" At least I keep in touch.
flip2tripAug 5, 2010
Hey Anom--Didn't see your post. I was just telling Novy I was sorry for the tin foil hat jokes, apparently I was wrong--I didn't know this s**t was going on. My apologies.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Finally, maybe the Digg staff will figure out a way to keep the SOB's who put your private info online will be banned from digg permanently. There has to be a way!
wildAug 5, 2010
So get on imgur and upload those screenshots!
malarkeypnAug 5, 2010
Screenshots, please!
illepicAug 5, 2010
@Anomaly100: Didn't you completely call this a week ago? http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Rattington_Post_Bloggers_dodged_a_bullet_with_DISCLOSE?t=34059261#c34059261
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
flip2trip: I'm sure we'll continue to butt heads on issues, but I respect you for standing up. Walk in peace.
wrath017Aug 5, 2010
I'm sure there are more groups, twitter feeds, facebook fan pages, private message boards, etc....
These guys have NOTHING of value to add to any discussion, that's why they resort to these tactics. They can't win unless they cheat and lie.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
http://digg.com/politics/Lib_bloggers_admit_conservatives_have_upper_hand_on_Twitter?t=27794076#c27797961
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
"Lib bloggers admit conservatives have upper hand on Twitter"
Because conservatives can't form a thought beyond 140 characters.
kolbeck10Aug 6, 2010
Are Liberal bumper stickers not the most popular??
flip2tripAug 5, 2010
Novy--Dude I owe you an apology I had no idea this s**t was going on--sorry for the tin foil hat jokes and all. s**t's f**ked up. If you see Anomoly tell her I'm sorry too. I'm ashamed these people call themselves conservatives.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
well, we knew they are no conservatives
and rather usurpers and renegade bandits
trying to take over - and you know now what
a troll hatch-lid of digg-abuser motherships is
apokalypsenowAug 5, 2010
Good for you, flip - way to stand up.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Thank you Flip, you have always been a man of principals!
When can the Conservative movement return to the days of more people like you and your ilk and less Beck and Limbaugh! It has been a long time since someone on the right has so regularly come out with comments that do not sound like lunatic rants and it is appreciated by all.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
Thank you fliptrip, apology accepted. I realized my claims of being stalked by these people seemed pretty far fetched to those who didn't know, but I just knew there was some method to the madness. I've never seen anyone get 95% of their submits buried within 2 hours consistently before, so my paranoia alarm was going off (and it probably sounded outlandish to others). No worries man.
maddoktor2Aug 5, 2010
Respect, flip.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
Integrity. You haz it. Cheers Flip.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
they have still their blatantly blunt
megaphoneys playing deaf and blind
(and even stupid with some talent) in
randomly upto daily refreshed accounts
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Should I be offended that I wasn't important enough to be on the auto-bury list? snif.
timelessbwAug 5, 2010
I am a bit sad to be left out as well, but in fairness I haven't had as much time to spend here as I would like. Also its been less than a year for me. A couple of them called me unpleasant names once or twice though.
delphium226Aug 5, 2010
Perhaps we should form a group that tries to game them to target us?
:D
falconearAug 5, 2010
Alas, I also did not make the list, although I've been personally attacked and told to die by at least a few of these people. Well, when at first you don't succeed...
What really amuses me is despite their best efforts the real flavor of the site still comes through...and often their stupid Fox News/Breitbart crap is fodder for our derision. Keep it up freepers!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I was a little sad myself. Haven't been around long enough I guess.
inajeepAug 5, 2010
The trouble is it is easy to set up shop somewhere else.
universalguyAug 5, 2010
I love how they call themselves "Patriots" when they are actually acting like Nazis.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Nazi's were very patriotic. Nationalists, even. Just not to American principals. Much like these folks.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
One of the basic tenets of fascism is ultra-nationalism-- or, if you prefer, patriotism to the point of treating love of country as a state religion.
ninjaofpatienceAug 5, 2010
Wish I had heard about this sooner. Would have been fun to raid the s**t out of them back. I almost miss the good old days of trolling all the #diggcon tags on twitter.
skywiseAug 6, 2010
So you wrote an article (as oleoleolson) about them cheating, all the while whining about and then digging you down all the while YOU maintain an active Digg hacking group which actively buries conservative posts and authors.
Hypocrite much?
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ninjaofpatienceAug 6, 2010
Proof or gtfo.
ninjaofpatienceAug 6, 2010
screencaps? links? anything?
skywiseAug 6, 2010
"I almost miss the good old days of trolling all the #diggcon tags on twitter. "
Right there.
ninjaofpatienceAug 6, 2010
Wait what? So you are saying that me showing up and s**tting in right wing organized raids is somehow a left wing organized raid? No not really. You see even though I was party crashing, it wasn't liberals running the show. Now if there was #digglib tag, that certain members used to organize diggs and buries and raids that would be on equal footing.
Don't make excuses. If you've got em post em and we'll go from there. If I claim photoshop I'll do so saying exactly why I think they are, whether it be font differences, alignment issues or subtle mis colorings. But if I do i will state why I think they are shopped and we can debate over it. I won't just blatantly scream false. And post the dead links if you've got them. Most things are archived somewhere, and if they aren't I can contact the site host to see if they ever existed.
And also have you know I've never called anyone a rethuglian or rethuglican or repuglican or any such alteration of the word. I have used the world republican in negative contexts more times then I can count, but I have never spoofed the word.
mrcacaAug 6, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
zaphodbblxAug 6, 2010
probably a private IRC chat room
akchrsAug 8, 2010
You using shouts to bury
http://i.imgur.com/0la3W.jpg
You using twitter to bury
http://twitter.com/novenator/status/14005249298
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maxell101Aug 5, 2010
There is a rumor that the one that turned them in is one of the main guys the call the buries. Assami or Boss...Chronic? something like that, but I do not know this to be fact. It is strictly a rumor I heard. Let me say that one more time, It is a RUMOR. Apparently they didtnot actually bury the submissions but pretended to still be a part of the group. He started hating himself. Who knows what the truth is? We will never know from any of them. Or will we?
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
we may never know the source but whomever it is that individual is a true patriot
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Just like on Wikileaks, the source should be protected and remain secret
zacharytelschowAug 6, 2010
I was "one of them" for a time. Frankly, its curious the author chose to include me as a member of said group - I left the group months ago (6? 9?) and was a member for a perhaps 3 months. During the period I was a member of the group, there were about 40 active members who would promote articles they were interested in, much like the shout system digg previously had. I found it was far too big of a time sink (I'm work a salaried job and attend grad classes at night) and the email digests came with irritating frequency, so I left the group.
Interesting to see what became of it. I wonder how many other groups there are out there like it.
terminal157Aug 6, 2010
If it's true that you haven't been part of any ToS violations then I personally hope your account isn't banned just for being on the list.
maxell101Aug 7, 2010
I've never heard of one however I did see these same people claim others were delusional for thinking digg was gamed. You're on the list? I find it hard to believe that you did not get their bury messages.
zacharytelschowAug 7, 2010
Your belief is my number one concern. Digg staff will clearly see, if the behavior of the others mentioned was flock behavior as claimed, that I was not a part of such collusion. And as I said, I left the group months ago, when it was simply used as a shout system.
hetmanAug 5, 2010
Samuel Johnson. "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
tomt127Aug 5, 2010
" I want these motherf**kin snakes off my motherf**kin plane!"
Samuel Jackson
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"Whoa, whoa, whoa, fences are failing all over the place!"
Samuel Jackson
legalskepticAug 5, 2010
Jokes aside, Samuel Johnson has to be one of the pithiest men ever to walk the Earth.
"Truth, Sir, is a cow that will yield such people no more milk, and so they are gone to milk the bull."
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Totally irrelevant, but I think I'm going to friend all the people on the bury list so I can help counteract the stupid and am making this comment so if they check my history they'll see why I'm friending them (and if they read far enough back see I'm pretty politically moderate [which makes me a liberal commy to tea partiers]).
barthrhAug 6, 2010
"Your beer sucks. Try this one."
Samuel Adams
jack104Aug 6, 2010
Thats the most BS quote ever. A healthy pride in one's nation should never ever be to their detriment.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
Can't wait to see all the brand-spanking new accounts mysteriously front-paging wingnut stories.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
They've got that one covered:
"I’ve been permanently banned 4 or 5 times. You gotta make sure you got a month or so between [accounts]. …The libs make a big deal out of start dates on profiles after one of us returns from getting permanently banned. Maybe we should have 10 or 15 identities created so the next time one of us gets a permanent ban we could come back with an identity that was created weeks or months before. Kind of like Jeff came back as Benthedog and they had no clue.
-Phoenixtx"
rotzooiAug 5, 2010
I will treat ALL submissions that reek slightly of conservatism as SPAM.
treehugger87Aug 5, 2010
@rat. I'm not sure if that is going to or would have helped with this type of censorship. Some of the users identified - e.g. quirkopatra - were actually pretty reasonable and moderate in their comments. One of the points that I took from the story is that these people were not actually commented nearly as much as they were burying en masse.
c0balt279Aug 5, 2010
@Rotzooi
Then you're no better than them...
Judge without bias based on content, not on category.
wildAug 5, 2010
Rotzooi, That is almost as bad as their currently blind approach. I don't bury stuff because it is conservative, but I often have to bury it for being inaccurate.
janineeeAug 5, 2010
treehugger87, honestly, and I really am serious. I think quirk is either more than one person using the same account or has split personalities. One day she sounds logical and has well-thought-out responses and comments. Other days she literally sounds like a raving lunatic, has horrible grammar, and makes no logical sense whatsoever. On her logical days she's pleasant and doesn't insult, others she bashing and insulting at every turn. Really, the woman confuses the f**k out of me.
wkrausmannAug 11, 2010
Rotzooi, you're just catching on to this now? That's liberal status quo.
colecoman1982Aug 5, 2010
Honestly, if Digg was doing their job and policing TOS violations adequately, they could be logging statistics and using that info to put a stop to a lot of even that kind of thought out plotting.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
Yeah, but that can lead to false positives-- a lot of false positives.
IMO they should bring in Google data analysis engineers to help them, as not everyone on the Right is flippin' nuts, and it's important that the sane ones get promoted over the conspiracy theorists.
zacharytelschowAug 6, 2010
If they were doing their job, they'd log IP addresses to go with each account and have a review of any new accounts created that match the IP of a previously banned member.
NickCobbAug 5, 2010
I hope everyone is doing their part by voting this story on StumbleUpon, Mixx, Reddit and Delicious too. Let's get the word out!
mindbulletAug 5, 2010
Yes... I very much doubt this is limited to only Digg.
brad3378Aug 5, 2010
After you finish reading 4000+ comments here at Digg, you can read 1000+ more at Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/cxofg/massive_censorship_of_digg_uncovered_is_reddit/
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
One of the Digg Patriots (SadLisa/mollydog12/who the f**k knows) responding to my comment calling out their spammy blog last week:
"I always read with amusement Leftie complaints about anyone gaming Digg. As I said before, they love to play as long as they're rigging the game. [...] Digg is a vast and diverse community. If a view point has merit it will be heard. Rather than constantly obsess about paranoid conspiracies the lefties might do better to question if their message has resonance."
You really should read the rest of the comments in that thread (most of whom I now see are DP members), it's quite the display of doublethink:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Rattington_Post_Bloggers_dodged_a_bullet_with_DISCLOSE?t=34059261#c34059261
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
the double speak and hypocrisy is amazing. Thanks for the link @Jordan117 very interesting reading
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
@Jordan117...or should I call you @Novenator? Mmmmh???
/s...in case that wasn't obvious.
But really, that exchange was painful to read.
fungoAug 5, 2010
Also worth noting, I think, that all of the conservatives' posts have nearly identical numbers of up-diggs.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
That exchange looks so familiar. Every time I comment they send their gang down to digg down every thing I say. I once commented about the turtles in the Gulf being cooked alive, "How horrible!"
It was buried so many times it was unreal. They replied, "Yum, tasty turtles!" and crap like that. A ton of them piled into that thread and hundreds of others. They do this to novenator daily!!
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Ya I see it happen to you guys all the time. I get it some, but no where near as bad. I guess I'm just too small of a fish to expend too much effort on.
janineeeAug 5, 2010
I've noticed them going overboard on you lately. They've done it to me a couple times, but it seems you and novy get attacked more than anyone.
cranelakeAug 5, 2010
I hate burying stuff, and rather let it sink or swim by its popularity, but I felt duty bound to bury that Rattington Post sub. Now, I'm glad I did.
I'm shocked about the scale of this and even more shocked by the scale of my naivete.
jaxcsAug 5, 2010
I'm glad someone wrote this article and most of all, named names! It makes a lot of sense now, some of the stupidity that I've seen. Note that todate, this article doesn't have any of the usual conservo-trolls. probably because they know there really is no defense for their bulls**t.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
I think they were the ones who consistently buried greenfyre as well. I hope it didn't give the poor guy a breakdown, that was some hardcore abuse.
piieerrrreeAug 5, 2010
that's because they're playing the persecuted minority card. Cognitive dissonance makes it so that their belief that they're doing what's right only gets stronger. People are the worst.
illepicAug 5, 2010
This the the exact definition of "double speak". Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance. How can these people look at themselves in the mirror?
kenninatorAug 5, 2010
They don't. They quell the bad thoughts before they actually notice them.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Jerimiah Laments has been trying to attach me to people since I got here. Hell, one of them actually claimed I was LostLyrics of all people! GayJesus as well but the fundies refused to spell out the word! I really hope no person is actually paying these morons because it really is a waste of money! I really do feel bad for whatever astroturf organization throws their money away on them.
No, actually, I do not! Waste more money, Idiots, you are completely exposed!!!
envirochemAug 5, 2010
That's really funny because English is not LostLyrics first language and I'm pretty sure many of their comments are fed through an automated translator, which gives them that distinctive and funny yet oddly poetic rhythm. There is no way your writing style and LostLyric's writing style could be by the same person.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
And don't get me wrong, although I was honored to be compared, I in no way see myself is holding a candle to LostLyrics, he is truly a poet of the people!
speedsteamboatAug 5, 2010
Wow, at first I started digging a burying comments in that thread accordingly, but then I went back and undid it all because I think the state of things is some of the most damning evidence of what's going on.
Completely rational arguments being dismissed and buried. The comment section is full of people listed in the article and their only response is more lies and hate.
How wretched.
blunt7raumaAug 5, 2010
2+2=5
skillelAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
jameslowellAug 5, 2010
f**k this s**t
antimrbabymanAug 5, 2010
Not going to lie, this kind of turns my off from visiting digg as much as I do...
blankchequeAug 6, 2010
Especially since power users have been gaming the site since day 1.
But only for personal glory, never for political persuasion.
I'm truly disgusted by Digg's lack of action on this.
macgarpAug 6, 2010
PABST BLUE RIBBON
freedomjoeAug 5, 2010
This is how the Republican Party has been operating for a while now, since there are less registered Republicans they constantly feel compelled to manipulate polls and media in order to make it appear that the majority support them. Instead of fine tuning their party in order to appeal to more Americans, they spend their time manipulating Americans so that they think the party represents things it does not.
The majority do not support them; but not everyone gets off their butt's to vote. It's beyond pathetic that people devote their lives to shutting down the ideas of others (as unAmerican as you can get) simply because they have no good ideas and it's the only way they can win.
All I can say is unless you want this kind of Orwellian leadership (saying you stand for freedom and liberty and going so far as to co-opting American flag), VOTE this fall.
andytronicAug 5, 2010
"It's beyond pathetic that people devote their lives to shutting down the ideas of others (as unAmerican as you can get) simply because they have no good ideas and it's the only way they can win."
You hit the current conservative M.O. right on the head there. Next to nothing conservatives have to offer is constructive, so they simply bash the other side with lies, and in this case, censorship. And since their minions don't question anything they are told to do by their trusted leaders, the right has a lot of free labor to do their dirty work.
NogStomperAug 5, 2010
I'm neither Liberal or Conservative but to think that this is ONLY a conservative tactic is just plain ignorant. If anything, Liberal writers, bloggers, and journalists are more aggressive when it comes to spewing their opinions upon the world. Take a look at Reddit. I honestly couln't stand reddit anymore and started using Digg because everyone jumps on the Liberal bandwagon and floods the site with their political opinions (with little to no reasoning behind it).Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
andytronicAug 5, 2010
@NogStomper: There's a difference between a blogger "spewing their opinions" and spreading lies, or in this case, censorship. Two sides of an argument don't both deserve equal consideration if one party's tactic is to willfully prevent people from being informed. If you really don't know which side is using dishonesty as its main weapon much more than the other, then you aren't really paying attention.
silastomorrowAug 5, 2010
And the Democratic Party doesn't?
I'm no fan of the GOP, but both frat Parties are full of corrupt shenanigans. We are led & influenced by these ideological corporate puppets. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Both parties suck, one sucks worse.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
throughout history it's always been the same type
loud and stupid "patriots" who destroyed countries.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
throughout history
it has always been the same type of loud and
stupid "patriots" who destroyed their countries.
spectecjrAug 5, 2010
+1 this.
You think it's amazing that they're willing to game Digg?
Just think about how much higher the stakes are for your VOTE.
Take back your country. Get your friends to vote. Vote yourself. Or they'll find a way to cheat the system out there too. They have no morals. They have no shame. They're like Anonymous, only not as cool. Expect them.
meatball402Aug 5, 2010
A good example of this is their 'america speaks out' website. They took suggestions as to what their platform should be. The top three:
1)legalize marijuana
2) End the afghan war
3) jobs.
They promptly responded with 'we'll pick out the ideas we like, this isn't the top ones get in"
"We'll only listen to you if you agree with us" is what I heard.
virolaiAug 10, 2010
It seems that you can barely tell the difference between real life and internet. Do a few tens of people represent tens of millions of conservatives? What a joke. Get a life!
Digg is not a site for discussing issues. Is a site for convinced ultra-partisan guys who vote for others like them. The debate subjected to the majority of votes (nothing to do with democracy) is not debate at all. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
letsgetreal50Aug 12, 2011
Your spot on the money. Repugnants need to be voted out of office. Especially the Tea Party. They ALL need to go. Hateful bastards!
jimmyshAug 5, 2010
Why my name is not included :( I wanna be popular too :(
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
This is only a few names. You may have been targeted.
dagnabbitAug 5, 2010
Mine was :) Badge of honor for me!
envirochemAug 5, 2010
The list gave me a great source of people to add as friends. This should really help out my "friends activity" list.
grantmoore3dAug 5, 2010
^ Actually that's not a bad idea, beat them at their own game haha
lolcoelacanthAug 5, 2010
@grant: no. Do not do what they were doing, it is wrong no matter what motivation you have.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I'd like to think that I was enough of an assh**e to most of these people.
inajeepAug 5, 2010
Hey, we should form a Yahoo group ....
paraswarmAug 5, 2010
It's a little exciting to think that my submissions (the few I make) could be buried by a coalition of miserable, morally bankrupt scumbags, simply by being friends with Novenator.
slasherAug 5, 2010
alanocu?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
doesn't surprise me at all
zetadogAug 5, 2010
Alanocu is NOT in any bury patrol. I will stake my own account on it. He does not bury people. On the contrary he diggs even submissions he personally do not agree with sometimes (because he is a great friend and mutual). He is the ultimate digger and his name on this list is insulting. I stand by him anytime!
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
Says the guy that has been here for 10 months. Alan is the worst of the self-loathing right-wing digg/bury patrol.
AngelWardriverAug 5, 2010
No @homercles337. Alan is a wonderful guy, a great digger, and my friend! He's most assuredly not part of some coordinated bury patrol. Like zetadog, I stand by alanocu.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bukowskyAug 5, 2010
@homercles337 -- I've been around digg for over three years. I don't know him personally, and alanocu isn't even a mutual digg friend of mine, but I can vouche that he does find good content and genuinely cares about the Digg Community. And even though I don't agree with his political views, he has every right to state them.
This is all coming from a guy that was on the Targeted Users list and on the left of the political spectrum.
In fact, there's a few users on the list that I would vouche for. Not just Alanocu.
talsiachAug 5, 2010
Alancu is a great example of how you can be friends on the web and put the political differences on the side , his name shouldn't be on the list and I am sure in 100% it's a mistake.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
he is one of the ringleaders, Zeta!
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Wait a second you guys. Look, Alan's name is there but, he is not one of the "ringleaders".Not one of the people on that list has EVER dugg one of my subs....except Alan. He diggs all of my posts, even the political ones.
Homercules- I know you. We think the same politically, but Alan is my friend too. It is true that he comments some right wing ideas, but he is a Conservative. I am happy to have Conservative friends as long as they don't stifle the s**t out of me by burying anything I post. These people buried a sub of mine about a car! A CAR! Anything I subbed, they tried to suffocate. Then...they came to my website & left dubious comments, saying there was a virus at FreakOutNation.
Alan is not like this. He just isn't. He's seen my website. He doesn't agree with my views, but he supports me anyway.
I can assure you that Alan is not a part of this mass burying. He was a member, but I don't believe he participated in this.
The rest of them can kiss my Progressive ass.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
So if we feel that the list is wrong about one person....perhaps the list is wrong about...everybody? Get it together people before you get duped again. Stop being suckers. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
Wow, i get the feeling that no one has read his comments here at Digg. He is always active in the bury/digg right-wing hate-fests doing the copy/paste of right-wing talking points. Many, many lies come to mind. Maybe he just auto-buries me because i "outed" him? I had no proof, just the pics in his profile, and cracked a joke about him being a gay, self-loathing, conservative. A couple months, and a handful of comments from other users later he came out for real on Digg. Meh. I trust, Anomaly and Bukowski and would edit my post if i could, i just have not seen said "civil behaviour" from Alan.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"Not one of the people on that list has EVER dugg one of my subs....except Alan."
This is my only Digg account ever and at the time of the publication of this story I had nothing to do with this group.
I personally Dugg the article Anomaly submitted here: You can check it.
http://digg.com/d31WIWg
Personally, I don't see how an email group is much different than the Twitter groups that promote content on Digg or the system of "shouts" that Digg used to have.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bukowskyAug 5, 2010
@homercles337 -- I've read alot of Alan's comments about political stuff, and 90% of the time, I COMPLETELY disagree with what he says. BUT, he does have the right to express his opinion, just as you and I do. That's the beauty of Free Speech.
He may be involved in this bury brigade, truth is.. I don't know. I have my doubts.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
no way if your names on the list you are pure evil EVIL!!!!
EVIL i tell you
twitter is fine cause no one would ever use twitter to promote content on Digg...
i wonder if anyone would use twitter to promote content on Digg from their own website and then try to pass it off like it wasn't their website... i wonder what would happen if that person ever got outed on Digg? hmmm
anyway GET EM!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
"Personally, I don't see how an email group is much different than the Twitter groups that promote content on Digg or the system of "shouts" that Digg used to have."
You're not promoting content, you're killing content you don't like. Frankly, I'm a bit disgusted by all this and pretty shocked that you were a part of it, quirk.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
homer you didn't "out" alan
he was always pretty well "outed"
it was just his friends didn't care
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"You're not promoting content, you're killing content you don't like."
I have regularly Dugg stories that have left-leaning content when they are well-written and thought-provoking. I also engage in conversation on threads with left-leaning content. As we all know, engaging in discussion on a threat helps a submission to the front page.
I do NOT like submissions that are from self-promotional blogs that misrepresent conservatives or engage in extreme partisanship. Some of the ones screaming most loudly on this blog are some of the same folks that promote and even author hit pieces on their blogs. They are active in networks on Twitter and Facebook.
Again, I was not a member of this group at the time of this article. I am not a member of this group now.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Wow, Blatherbunny, you actually have the nerve to show up after all of this? So pathetic!
Quirk, everyone knows what the hell you have been doing for some time, so just go, ok? Why make any further of a spectacle of yourself?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
*thread*
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Of course, you have so much credibility that we should believe that you were not part of this lynch mob while anyone who even remotely pays attention can tell that if not a card-carrying member, you were part of a group who has been gaming the system the entire time I have been here. Get real, Blatherbunny, no one is EVER going to believe another word you say outside of your pathetic little lynch mob.
Just go.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
"I do NOT like submissions that are from self-promotional blogs that misrepresent conservatives or engage in extreme partisanship."
The difference is that when non-"DiggPatriots" bury something, they don't tell 50 others bury it too.
You give a lot of lip service to free speech, but in the end you regularly participate in the gang silencing of people. You have zero credibility.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Arugula...I am not a member of the group.
If Digg thinks I am a member of the group...they are welcome to ban me.
YOU know that I will comment on the threads of left-wing subs and that I digg and comment on left-leaning content when the submission is well-written and thought-provoking.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
@Bukowski, im completely defaulting to you on this. If you say so, i believe it, but i cant edit my post. That being said, Alan is always (IMHO) in lock step with these "patriots". Supports them. Agrees with them. Diggs them. Buries dissenting views, despite logic contained within. Again, thats my observation, if its in error, i will pay more attention.
"he was always pretty well "outed" it was just his friends didn't care"
The hatred of homosexuals by the right/conservatives/neocons/libertarians makes this comment the most ridiculous in this entire thread. Also, "pretty well" does not mean making a statement in his public profile, nor did it mean admitting his sexuality publicly. Sounds like "pretty well" means not at all. Again, i made a joke because ALL his comments are in direct opposition to his sexuality, i did not know. Honestly, i find fighting for those that would prefer to burn you in pile of kindling, and actively, socially campaign against your personal views rather sad. Maybe someday, if he gets a little education, he will understand which political ideology has his best interests in mind.
jdenzerAug 5, 2010
@quirkopatra
How convenient, the group is gone. And now you can deny every being part of the group. We all see past your BS, that is why you are being buried. As the conservatives American Idol likes to say 'Have the cojones' to tell us the truth and fess up to being part of the group.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
i like the non-gay guy telling the gay guy what he should believe based on what you think is in his best interest...
that is pretty sad... dont you think?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Not as sad as apologizing for this group of scumbags and attacking people for being upset about an entire movement setup to circumvent the Digg TOS and viciously attack people who oppose them. But hey, you keep on keepin' on, Bluto.
dreadpirateAug 5, 2010
@NoWingnutlies - You're one to complain about vicious attacks, considering that's your standard behavior here on digg. I'm not defending what some other people have done here, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of you attacking someone else for exactly what you love to do on a daily basis. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Quirk:
Did you or did you not tell me on the comment threads that I was, "persecutory delusional" when I said you freaks are gaming digg?
Do you REALLY want me to go through my comments and pull up every single thing you said to me about this very same topic?? You are embarrassing yourself and I am too busy for this. I have a post to write.
All of you conspired to have me banned and Nowingnutlies, so STFU! AllisonRose wrote digg about me and you all followed through in lockstep because I called a nut case, "repugnant."
Just for that! And now the repugnant one has been found out to be a crazed Yahweh Clan member. Is that not repugnant?! I spoke the truth. You lied to me so many times and now you are trying to throw Alan under the bus?
I respect him, not his political views, but him. You? Hardly.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny enough, those people who you are referring to were almost to a one on that list and are renown for simply spewing extremist talking points. That is infuriating to me. As for vicious, well, I have not exposed the personal info users that I disagree with like the lynchmob in question has, so I think you may be exaggerating, but hey, if it is fun for you to continue with relativism fallacies, don't stop on my account.
More often than not, I read the comments and go on about my life, dropping in a line about the subject and moving on. When dealing with Birthers, talking point copy-pasta spewers, and other extremist radicals, no rational argument exists but I will be damned if I am going to sit back and let the people listed turn this place into a cesspool. I do not love anything having to do with these pathetic cheats and I certainly would prefer having rational comments with rational people, but that is scarce when the listed crowd is around. Maybe, in a perfect world, these exposed scum would leave for good and we could get to a time where conversation was civil even when those involved disagree, but I doubt that will happen.
That being said, constantly having to deal with these idiots does get tiring, but Digg is worth it as a forum. Hopefully one day the algorithm will be strong enough to keep out the jerks and we can all lighten up and have a more genteel conversation. Maybe I am just a dreamer...
dukeonkledAug 5, 2010
I believe quirkopatra. It seems like everything coming from quirkopatra seems like original thoughts. It seems like this person believes what she says. I don't think this submission is good enough proof in the least to ban her.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
@bluto, i may be hetero but im very pro-gay. I have been active in the gay-rights movement for over a decade, i have family members and many friends that are gay, and would do everything in my power to ensure that our gay sisters and brothers have the same rights we do. Im also educated in history, so i understand what it takes to free the oppressed in our society. History, its something that conservatives should know something about, but time and time again they display their complete ignorance of history.
usarugulaAug 5, 2010
"Arugula...I am not a member of the group. I was not a member of this group at the time this article was published."
When and why did you quit?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"she did not have sex with that group"
seems clear. :D
homercles337Aug 5, 2010
How is QuirkyPat, still here? Her implication has been obvious since she joined 16 months ago, and now there is PROOF and she has not been perma-banned? Just leave already. You have no credibility and no more friends since they should all be banned by now. New accounts for the mass idiocy of getting DPed at Digg. I hope someone at Digg reads these comments...but i doubt it because of mass layoffs.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
"i may be hetero but im very pro-gay. I have been active in the gay-rights movement for over a decade, i have family members and many friends that are gay, and would do everything in my power to ensure that our gay sisters and brothers have the same rights we do. Im also educated in history, so i understand what it takes to free the oppressed in our society. History, its something that conservatives should know something about, but time and time again they display their complete ignorance of history."
i am so sorry you are hetro... must be tough... but you do seem mighty mighty impressed with yourself. must have been the struggle to overcome your "straightness"
you should write a book, you could call it "My Struggle" i really think you may hold the key to a happy prosperous future for all of us.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
aidenagAug 6, 2010
Well he was deeply involved with Lizbetts gaming of propeller.com in 2009.... Him and her BOTH showed up on propeller within a matter of weeks too. So it was DEFINITELY coordinated by her, and him..
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
"You say you aren't a member? You're a member. You closed the website down, but that's the ONLY reason you are not still a member. I told you not to be so arrogant. You should listen sometimes."
So, now I'm not only a member....but I'm the one who "closed the site down"? That's ridiculous.
"All of you conspired to have me banned and Nowingnutlies, so stop this crap. AllisonRose wrote digg about me and you all followed through in lockstep because I called a nut case, "repugnant."
Nope. I have not contacted Digg to have you banned....ever. I would imagine that I'm still here because Digg KNOWS this. You have been all over Digg claiming I have done things that I have not done anomaly. In fact, when your name was posted by another poster on Digg, I flagged that comment to have Digg remove it. Ever since that happened, you have been alleging things about me to the point of implying I'm a White Supremacist on Freak Out Nation. You're all over here today calling me a fascist.
Again, this is the only Digg account I have or have ever had. I've read the TOU and don't believe I have violated it.
If Digg thinks I've violated it, they can surely ban me....
If there is all this evidence, present it to Digg and they can take action. Until then, it seems you are being selectively irate at people.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crunchdiggAug 6, 2010
protip: "you" can be singular or plural. Trying to confuse the issue by pretending not to understand that will not buy you much time.
That's ridiculous.
Closed AccountAug 10, 2010
By the way ... anomaly has the emails and knows better than what she's saying here.
USArugula has the decency to comment here:
http://digg.com/politics/The_Rigging_Of_Digg_How_A_Covert_Mob_Of_Cons_Hijacked_Digg
From the comment section:
Whoa. Sorry I didn't revisit this thread sooner. Perhaps I can clear some things up.
From what I have seen, neither ThePartyStar nor Quirk were involved or even aware of the Dilberto/DP false flag operation. The article is correct in that Dilberto and an unnamed DP member exchanged email over the plot, and that Dilberto sought a willing female DPer to harass in order to frame NoLibertarians, but I find absolutely no evidence that either ThePartyStar or Quirkopatra were approached or even aware.
That said, the following should be noted:
1. Dilberto and an unnamed DP member were involved from the plot's inception
2. The plot was intended to frame the "No Brigade" for mass banning
3. Shortly thereafter, I witnessed users with variations on the "No" name exactly as discussed in plot, harassing TPS and Quirk
4. The unnamed member never reminded anyone of the plot while TPS and Quirk were undergoing harassment
Regarding: "Novenator won't even admit how he got access to these e-mails. Keep the number to the lawyer handy."
As you see from the bulk of my comment, when you deal in deceit, you never know who you can trust. In other words, it is not trespassing if you invite them in.
And finally, for the record, Quirkopatra left the group July 15. Her conscience finally got to her. And no, she is not their insider. The final email from DiggPatriotsYahoo reads "DiggPatriots- WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED!!!!". It is dated Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM -- 20 days after having herself removed from the group.
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babywookieAug 5, 2010
alanocu, mollydog, quirkyparta, atomheartmother...
Who would have ever thought that they would be a part of something like this? :)
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
:P bad sample - but who would NOT have
thought that sadlisa and the moonface are
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
:P hm bad sample
- e.g. who would actually NOT have thought that
sadmolly and the moonface are ! mindless pratts
with full diapers when alone - eager sycophants
howling choir in every witch hunt for the option of
once defining themselves who's supposed to burn. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny enough, as much as I despise that Schizotypal wingnut lunatic I actually thought AHM would be above this sort of thing... Don't know why, but I did!
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
make sure you report them all just in case one falls through the cracks
nom nom nom oh they taste so good nom nom nom
v3n0mAug 5, 2010
nowing - you just believe everything you read on the internet? Many on that list have proven they have not participated in the acts described.
Given that, this article should be buried as inaccurate until the author can come up with some actual *proof*.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Seriously Bluto, you are actually backing these bastards? I know you are better than that, man.
ac1115Aug 5, 2010
Quirko is rabid. I'm not surprised
Alanocu was surprising :-/
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
actually nowingnut i see this as much about nothing...
its not something i do, i find it humorous, as i would if the tables were turned.
so no I'm not backing this, but i dont see it as something to back. im not surprised but like when anomally was outed i see it as a finger pointing ha ha moment. not anything evil.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Not really sure about what you are accusing Anom of but considering you have sat here and defended each of the accused in every thread, your credibility on this matter is in question while you do nothing but attack the victims and support the cheats.
Not so Classy...
And seriously, Bluto, go to Google and find yourself a nut-fetish site to get this whole ball obsession under control, it was flattering if not a little uncomfortable at first, but now it is MollyDog level creepy!
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
ya but is it motorboat creepy?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
This is going to have to go on the list with "ZionistMegawhatever" of things I am not sure I know about. Define?
alanocuAug 5, 2010
I shouldn't be listed on this. I am very sorry everyone. I don't participate in coordinated buries. A lot of those people listed are friends of mine, but they will tell, should tell you, that I haven't signed onto that group. I digg articles that I do not agree with for this reason alone. I rarely if every bury anything. I digg Novenator's articles, Anomaly's....ask them
bukowskyAug 5, 2010
I got lots of respect for you bro ... You and I may disagree politically, but I know you're a good digger that isn't out for blood.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
I checked out FriendStatistics a week or so ago. Alan dugg ALL ten of my last submissions. His name is on this list, but I am quite sure he is not a participant. We differ greatly politically, but that has never been a problem. He even diggs my political subs! He says if he want's to comment, he's going to digg up the post. He always has. I'm sure he always will.
Alan, I have no problem with you. I am certain this does not reflect on your status with others here. We are still friends.
EMFK is the Digg Patriots site administrator though. I can't respect that. I do respect Alan. (Not politically though;-)
dirtyfriesAug 5, 2010
Have you been invited to such a group?
I'm just curious if they ever offered the extension.
bukowskyAug 5, 2010
Perhaps EMFK was a site admin. I have no knowledge about this group, who was in this group or the actions of this group. This is the first I've even heard about this group. They certainly aren't "Patriots". And I commend whomever it was that did the research and brought to light that I am on some sort of target list.
But, in regards to EMFK.. I just know that she is a good person and a good digger. Whether or not she is part of this, I don't know and I wouldn't support. But I've never really seen any comments (or submissions) that reflect a political view.. So, I'm a little surprised that she's listed here to begin with.
I personally believe that she's NOT targeting me in anyway...
richmomzAug 5, 2010
Was surprised to see you on there as well, but I don't believe it. People need to realize that there are plenty of legit right-wingers that DON'T participate in this sort of thing.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
@Bukowsky- While she may not be targeting you, she still is the site administrator, so I ask you this...who is her target in making this group. You were not her target, so is it okay to target others? I have dugg some of her posts. I have not seen her around mine. She knows who I am since I seem to be brought up in their conversations.
Hell, I even dugg one or two of Bettverboten's even though I knew she buried all of mine. She subbed one about Haiti. I dugg it. They buried my comment about the people of Haiti.
Last week, I dugg one of Quirk's AND tweeted it #digg. What more can I say? She said I was paranoid! These are not nice people. Alan IS a nice person, no matter how much we differ in politics, he still is a nice man.
alanocuAug 5, 2010
I don't believe EMFK is involved in this at all.
bukowskyAug 5, 2010
@Anomaly -- I understand where you're coming from. I know you've gotten alot of stuff buried lately.
It's not ok for anybody, conservative or liberal, to create a group that is designed to target and go after people. I don't care who it is.. it's below-the-belt.
All I'm saying, is that from my perspective, she seems like a good person and I know she's a great digger.
FirstMackerelAug 5, 2010
@alanocu There's no evidence you ever sent emails to the group, but there is no doubt you were a member and at least one thread consists of bettverboten passing on tweets of yours to the group, getting feedback. For the most part, I think you are honest about the level of your involvement, but you can't say you shouldn't be listed. Joining a Yahoo group is a voluntary act, and remaining in a Yahoo group is a voluntary act. There are many instances where you are mentioned in threads, with specific calls to Digg your submission and comments.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"Last week, I dugg one of Quirk's AND tweeted it #digg. What more can I say? She said I was paranoid!"
Last week...again when I was *not* a member of this group...as I am not now ... you told me you were Tweeting one of my stories. What I responded to you was that whether it was MY story or yours...you shouldn't game Digg. In short, I believe the lefty tweeters are as guilty as anyone else of gaming Digg.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
alanocuAug 5, 2010
FirstMackerel, I don't participate in coordinated buries. I have signed up and onto so many different things on the Internet, it's hard to keep track these days. My understanding is the group was created so people could get to know each other outside of Digg. Coordinated buries ARE WRONG. I wish there was a way for everyone to see what I've buried. I may have buried 5 articles this year total. And it was spam.
lukeatronAug 5, 2010
@quirk: I think it's funny how your defense is that you are not a part of this group now or when this story was written. So when did you leave? And why does that excuse you?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
If alanocu is listed, it's probably because he signed up. Hello?
zerocubedAug 5, 2010
Alanocu, you are a respectable guy in many ways, and you do play more fairly. However having any knowledge or inkling of such an organization taking place still puts you at odds with the rest of us. I don't care how community loving someone is - if they have any knowledge that something may be up, then you are partially responsible as well. If someone you knew asked you to bury an item or comment and you found yourself at odds with it, then you should have done your part to check on why they are burying - and if their reasoning is sound, and if they have a habit of burying otherwise acceptable posts.
I'm sure they didn't pull the list out of their asses - a combination of checking out the Digg Patriots sites, twitter, facebook, blogging and messaging between accounts would allow them to conclude on who is most active and needs to be watched. They probably even put in a spy - so easy to do it online, because all one would need to do is play along.
As for EMFK - him, I can certainly see as being part of the Digg Patriots, and I've often been at odds with his comments, even getting into arguments with him.
spinningheadAug 5, 2010
Um...is quirk justifying gaming digg because she suspects liberals are gaming digg? Jesus. Republican ethics at work.
spinningheadAug 5, 2010
Wow, still getting buried by quirk.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Q- When were you part of this?
jaxcsAug 5, 2010
Of course Quirk is part of this. she's mentioned numerous times how she has many friends who will bury you if you bad mouth her.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
@alanocu, I don't believe you took part in the censorship of this, even though we butt heads pretty hard. EMFK is a member however, and has given them advice on how to game Digg. Here is the proof: http://imgur.com/hsy8A.jpg
woodsjransomAug 6, 2010
I believe you.
aidenagAug 6, 2010
You SHOULD be on this list Alan, you did this same stuff at propeller.com last year as well.
You and Lizbett both, along with all the others on the site i had to deal with on a daily basis when i worked at it. We had so much IP proof it was disgusting.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Actually, I believe you, Alan. We disagree on just about everything, but you strike me as man who sticks to his principles.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
alanocu is a rogue. If he's allied with them it's a coincidence more than anything else. He's into his own thing.
alanocuAug 5, 2010
I've never been called a rogue, but that works for me. I am pretty much into my own thing. I post and digg all sorts of different articles.
smacksawAug 5, 2010
I digg tons of your stuff and it's hardly the political submissions that make up my digg count for you.
I don't think it would make sense for you to get into this sort of thing because you seem to be doing quite well with articles from all categories.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Well, you'd think Alan would be mutuals with the people named, right? Alan and I aren't mutuals.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Of course that is completely irrelevant Blatherbunny, as it has been illustrated you were getting your marching orders remotely. The best thing is that from now on, when you and your lynchmob spew your nonsense and game the system, the people you baselessly and viciously spew your nonsense at will have all the proof they need to show you are a liar on one tidy little site.
Why are you still here, again? Glutton for punishment maybe? Act of penitence for your sins? Desperate for attention even if it's negative? The mind can only wonder...
falconearAug 5, 2010
alanocu: I have had several civil discussions with you in my time here. Frankly, if anamaly and novenator vouch for you, that's frankly good enough for me. I don't get your self-loathing politics, but that's a far different matter. :)
wrath017Aug 6, 2010
"Well, you'd think everyone named would be mutuals with the people named, right? Alan and I aren't mutuals. I think there are others named who aren't mutuals."
Look at you lying, thinking that's clever defense.
"Maybe if i don't friend them I can argue later I'm not part of the conspiracy... "
Get the f**k out of here, you two faced snake. I hope you get banned two seconds after the Digg's redesign update... you and all your dishonest friends.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
as king of the bury patriots i can tell you Alan was not part of the plan.
but he does know where all the best clubs are so we tolerate him.
nraphaelAug 5, 2010
alanocu is a fascist. Plain and simple. No surprise he's on that list.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
This is what happens when you eliminate shouts.
hetmanAug 5, 2010
I knew once they eliminated shouts I would never get another story to the front page. Not that I really mind enjoy reading and commenting more than submitting.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
I submit almost reflexively when I read something I like, got the handy Google Chrome app that makes it pretty quick. I figure if even a tiny handful of folks read & find interesting that's cool.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
I came in post-shout--could you leave comments on folks' profiles? It's always seemed a little odd to me that there isn't a way of directly sending a message to another user.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Users used to be able to send messages to each other on digg. Some users complained that the feature was being used to promote and bury submissions so digg took it out. Other users then formed communities in other places where they could communicate like they used to be able to do here. Moving that activity out from under the view of digg just made it more prone to abuse.
vbullingerAug 5, 2010
It was a great feature, VegetableLamb, sad to see it go. Now I have to follow people on Twitter or whatever, and check my friends' activity.
Which reminds me: they're going to take away friends' activity?!? I might have to leave after that, as this site will probably become a huge echo chamber of stupidity and vapidity. Seems like the goal, to be honest...
VegetableLamb... AvengingTurnip... vegetable-based name plus something spiritual sounding.
Are you the same person, doing a fake left/right thing?
/s
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Caught! Oh no. This seems to be the day that everyone is being unmasked.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
Mr. Turnip you card!
It's sad that even more of the social aspect is getting pruned out.
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
AvengingTurnip: No it is not. We are not in a censorship gang. I don't know anyone that does this. I know they do. We all knew that.
thetxiAug 5, 2010
I don't know of any leftist equivalent that tries to game Digg in the same way.
There's a big difference between a large group of people who digg and bury and generally have the same political slant and a group of people who actively work in concert together to target specific areas/users.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny enough, if you think about it, the GOP-Tea party v. Democratic party is much like that if you think about it. Scattered Dems versus the Lock-Step GOP with their constant filibuster. And just like the Dems the Progressives on Digg played along since Obama won. Finally we are doing something to put an end to this bulls**t and maybe the Dems will grow a pair and take the fight to the Rightwingnuts as well!!
thetehAug 5, 2010
Shouts essentially caused the same thing though. It turned digg in to a popularity contest. Whoever had the most friends to shout to was most likely to get their stuff on the front page. And sure, we still have gaming of digg, but it's now done behind closed doors by this minority. At least the entire site isn't run on a spammy "look at all this stuff I submitted! You're my friend so DIGG IT!" basis.
mhuntAug 5, 2010
Eliminating shouts was the best thing Digg ever did. That was much more organized that this group seems to be, and there was never any diversity on the front page.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Is there diversity on the front page now? If an submission with anything other than a liberal viewpoint ever makes the front page diggers start screaming that something but be wrong.
mhuntAug 5, 2010
You're correct, of course. But it's better than it used to be.
The "shout" was terribly abused by the Obama supporters during the campaign. Someone would post a pro-Obama or anti-Hillary article, send out the appropriate shouts and instantly the story would be on the "Top" list with 500+ diggs and 100+ comments that were almost identical (can you say "talking points"). When Obama won the primary, the same tactic was used on McCain.
Now the bias is still liberal, but digg is not dominated by a single liberal ideology like it once was. So its slowly making progress.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
mhunt,
Don't you think that there were changes that could have been made short of banning shouts altogether? They were abused but they were also useful.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I have to go to upcoming every day to see conservative stories on digg, if they do make it tot the front page its a belittling festival of digg lefties calling people teabaggers and suggesting its all a circle jerk.
You can set your f**king watch to it.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
(fingers crossed for this story making it to the front page)
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Now over 150 Diggs in two hours and still not front paged... hmmm.....
onlyscAug 5, 2010
and over 100 comments
envirochemAug 5, 2010
What this shows is just how many of us are fed up with their games. Even if it doesn't FP, this could well become one of today's most active articles.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
197 diggs and no front page love yet :(
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Now over 220 diggs and 138 comments in three hours yet still no FP love.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
This is probably more of a power user thing.
Digg FP algorithms suck. Everyone knows this.
phixedAug 5, 2010
Finally front paged
maddoktor2Aug 5, 2010
It is now.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
less that 5 hours since it's been submitted and it's already at 1751 diggs. Certainly not cheating. No sir.
envirochemAug 5, 2010
Even the most organized of mutual digging societies couldn't do 1751 diggs in five hours. Because this article was directly about Digg and exposed something many have long suspected but couldn't "prove", as soon as it FP'd the masses took interest.
elmuerte17Aug 5, 2010
They tried.
maddoktor2Aug 5, 2010
...and failed miserably.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Cue Nelson's Haha.
UphemismAug 5, 2010
WOW, this is completely unacceptable. I am sure there are other groups that do the same, however, this article appears to show, and prove, that this is indeed happening.
Sad, information should never be removed from peoples views. I prefer to make up my own mind, and that becomes impossible if I am not given information..
Shame on all these people. Seriously just f**ked up.
twinklyjesusAug 5, 2010
Yes, it "appears" to show something with what "appears" to be "evidence" but could be a total fabrication by the same type of group with a liberal bias (most are commenting here too, and are listed in the article) in order to shut down a surge in conservative stories.
None of that looked like it couldn't have been phonied up in 10 minutes on a macbook.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
You'll of course be feeding these news stories with iron clad credible sources. If I don't see them I will assume that your argument is total bulls**t since this article does actually site data you can look up yourself if you weren't so damn lazy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
letsdienowAug 5, 2010
Everyone knows not to underestimate stupid people in large groups....
They can do some s**tty s**t, just because of their numbers
blacklabelsarAug 6, 2010
This is the problem with the Humans.
Being right doesn't get you the win. Manipulating the most people get's you the win. And if you are at all intelligent, you realize that just winning at any cost is not the answer.
You will all thank me once the meteor I've called in destroys the planet.
Any species that can maintain a pulse with such a low IQ never stood a chance anyway.
xiiiganonAug 5, 2010
Two simple words for all those involved: f**k YOU
"I’ll continue to bury their submissions until they change their ways and become conservatives" The fact that you think that bury news stories to "change my way" is just so arrogant and is exactly why my political views oppose you.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
Seriously. Honestly, until the last election I was sort of middle-of-the-road and a-political with a general but unspecific anti-authoritarian slant. But seeing how folks on the Right have been behaving since Obama came into office, and becoming more aware of their patently ludicrous ideology and amoral actions has steeled my resolve that these folks do not deserve the honor of being in power to ANY degree.
xiiiganonAug 5, 2010
The point of democracy is that you win some you lose some. I believe the right made it very clear during the Bush years that if you dont like it, get out and treated the people protesting like they were unpatriotic. Now that they lost it's like it's some crazy new thing they could have never fathomed. Welcome to how the other half of the country for eight years. It's really not that bad, suck it up, make sensible arguments and next election, simply vote.
curunirAug 5, 2010
Meh. Both sides do that. I don't know how many times I've seen the phrase "butt-hurt Republicans" since the election. Plenty of "we won - so shut up" to go around.
Which is part of the problem with this 2-party system. There's not a dimes' worth of difference between the two, really, but as long as you can make the other side look *just a little more evil* - you win!
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felidaeusAug 5, 2010
By all that is holy:
STAY CENTER.
PLEASE. Vote independent if you have to! The "Right" in the US is only the "Right" because the media loves a circus. People like you ARE the right.
Just because we in Canada have a Fascist party does NOT make them the "Right"!
lolcoelacanthAug 5, 2010
So who are you going to vote for then, the Right party or the super-Right party? Have fun living in America.
vegetablelambAug 5, 2010
@lolcoelacanth I'll vote for third party candidates and the lite-republicans (aka democrats) depending on the candidate and circumstance. My opinions seem to be taking me further to the left as time goes by, it's a shame that that side of the spectrum is so inadequately represented in our current political arena (despite conservatives' recent habit of labeling anyone a millimeter to the Left of Reagan as socialist/marxist/communist)
anomaly100Aug 5, 2010
Be careful, the report en mass comments to get people banned. Although, I am quite sure they are not reporting sh!t today.
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
I'm sure they would have tried for a lot of us; it apparently is harder for those who have been on Digg for some time and have a critical mass of comments/diggs/submissions.
dk2hintAug 5, 2010
Actually substitute "Arrogance" with "Insecurity" and I think you have a much more accurate description.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Smacks less of arrogance and more of desperation.
Also stupidity. A void of knowledge leads to a base level of anarchy, not conservatism.
tsk05Aug 5, 2010
This entire story reeks of hypocrisy. As if liberals don't bury anything conservative in sight..
xiiiganonAug 5, 2010
The difference is that they are only burying and digging based on their preference within the rules and regulations of the site. These people have a group with tons of fake accounts that systematically digg, bury, and report based on their agenda to convert people. It's completely different, if a liberal group did this I would be just as angry.
tsk05Aug 5, 2010
A 100 people isn't going to make any difference. We can see it doesn't make any difference because 95% of the political comments dugg up are liberal and 95% of those dugg down are conservative. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
strangefamousAug 5, 2010
^^^
Yeah, it's a good thing all of the comments are labeled "CONSERVATIVE" or "LIBERAL" so that I can reflexively bury anything that might be upsetting to my view of the world!
Except that they aren't. People have complex opinions that don't always fall into 1 of 2 categories. It's a falsehood to assume that a person is either a "lib" or a "con" and there's no gray area.
I don't bury "conservative" comments. I bury comments that are bigoted, ignorant, anti-scientific, trolling or full of stereotypical misinformation about groups of people (men, women, gays, minorities, immigrants, etc). If these comments are written by people who think of themselves as "conservative", then that's just the way it is.
lormendiAug 5, 2010
Figures you're too dumb to understand the difference. Please hang yourself.
timelessbwAug 5, 2010
The old "they do it too, so its ok" defense.. With no citations I might add. That defense is getting old and tired.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
So in other words, cheating is fine because you are losing.
Stay classy right-wingnuts!
tsk05Aug 5, 2010
"The old "they do it too, so its ok" defense.. With no citations I might add. That defense is getting old and tired."
I need to give a citation that liberals digg down conservative comments? Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
timelessbwAug 5, 2010
There is a huge difference between group digging down of comments that are unread and individually digging down comments that you have read because you dissagree with them.. If you can't see that then there is no way to explain it to you. Most liberals will digg up conservatives when they post something they agree with. This can not be done by your group to comments that have not even been read.
tsk05Aug 6, 2010
The line is thin between reading the first three words and seeing it's conservative, then digging down (what most liberals) and just digging people known to be liberal down. It's about a three second difference with the same result. Both are annoying, I hate to be dugg down when I know nobody even bothered to read the comment and personally rarely digg anyone down (although the main reason is that it's annoying to find where you commented afterward as they don't expand).
"This can not be done by your group to comments that have not even been read."
Not sure why you say my group, I am not on that list.. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
timelessbwAug 6, 2010
Do you only read the first three words? I never have. Don't think most people do.
srs2000Aug 5, 2010
"The beatings will continue until morale improves"
styroplankAug 6, 2010
Who would change their political opinion just because articles they support are getting buried? Expecting that reaction out of anybody is idiotic, people are far too stubborn.
torreyjsAug 6, 2010
My thoughts exactly
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
@dk2hint, felidaeus: It's still possible to be arrogant and insecure-- observe a devout religious person having to confront reality contradicting his beliefs, for one. The initial reaction is almost always denial.
iriemeditationAug 8, 2010
so true! and not only do my political views oppose these arrogant people.. but also my overall philosophical views.. as well as almost all other points of view. keep an open mind! one love!
janinewallaceAug 5, 2010
exactly @envirochem, should have made FP by now, I've seen subs make FP with less diggs and comments than this one
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Organized digging/burying hurts the medium regardless of who engages in it. I've understood that digg leans left since I joined, and accept that fact. I joined digg patriots group right after shouts were done away with, but I have not been back to it since nor am I a part of ANY effort to coordinate buries or diggs. I am sure that anyone who goes there will see that I have not logged in or left any comments since that time. My comments, diggs and buries may not be popular on here, but they're my own.
crazedchemistAug 5, 2010
So how long did you know it was going on and do nothing about it?
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
As soon as I joined I realized what was up and wanted no part of it, as it just seemed wrong. I really don't know what I was supposed to do about it though. It's not my job to police the net. In any case, it was pretty clear that it wasn't limited to just the right... there was (dunno if there still is) a group of Progressives doing essentially the same thing. It's all pretty childish.
crazedchemistAug 5, 2010
It's not like you had to write a story about it. Just linking to the group in a random response to people talking about bury brigades would have been enough to at least hinder their efforts.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I'm here because I enjoy commenting and debating political news and ideas. I'm a digger because I love digg, that's all...It's not my job to be a whistleblower.
rotundoAug 5, 2010
@atomheartmother - "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
al3efromanAug 5, 2010
Fair enough, you don't need to turn people in, just because you know they're gaming the system. You are certainly under no obligation. That said, you say you realized what was going on as soon as you joined. For some reason, this didn't stop you from piling on and attacking people who suggested that the system was being gamed.
Sufficed to say, it is immediately apparent that you are not a person with which to have an honest conversation. So no, you are not a proven cheat, just not honest.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Rattington_Post_Bloggers_dodged_a_bullet_with_DISCLOSE?t=34059261#c34059261
"Wow Jordan, I see you're becoming increasingly bitter and frustrated as the steering column come off the Obama ship of state and your beloved Progressive ideology is proven more and more unworkable by the day. I've yet to see a more desperate, whiny rant in a long, long time."
twinklyjesusAug 5, 2010
We know there are liberal bury brigades...where are the outings of those groups? or is AHM held to a different standard?
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"That said, you say you realized what was going on as soon as you joined. For some reason, this didn't stop you from piling on and attacking people who suggested that the system was being gamed, even though you are a member (inactive or otherwise) of a group that games digg."
Not being active in the group means I'm unaware of their day-to-day activities, no? And let's be real... BOTH sides do this kind of thing anyway, and have done so since shouts were done away with.
"Sufficed to say, it is immediately apparent that you are not a person with which to have an honest conversation. So no, you are not a proven cheat, just not honest."
Comments on social networking sites stand or fail on their own merits. We can't know who is behind the other computer.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
al3efromanAug 5, 2010
The best response available is two wrongs make a right?
You may be right, I have no idea and would not hazard a guess as it would be just that, a guess. None of this changes anything I stated.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"None of this changes anything I stated."
Sure it does. I could make the most innocuous comment in the world and I'll still get buries. Whether that's from people I've had arguments with in the past or the result of organized burying, I don't know or care... but I don't whine about it.
"Comments on social networking sites stand or fail on their own merits." Apparently they don't. That's the point of this article."
I disagree. Whether or not a comment is valid or factual ofttimes has little to do with whether or not it's buried or dugg up, and more to do with whether people agree with it or with the person posting it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Oh really, Twink, why don't you show us one. This article is thoroughly researched and documented. Let's see yours, Liar!
bookantAug 5, 2010
@atomheart
I've never blocked anyone. Never. Not once. Not even extremely useless trolls like DavidNiven. To me, the whole *concept* of blocking a user in a forum that revolves around open discussion is an oxymoron and the feature shouldn't even exist. How can you meaningfully participate in a discussion when you've chosen to make yourself "deaf" to the contributions of users you disagree with or don't like and are therefore not even seeing the whole conversation?
What these assh**es did why try to "deafen" all of us, against our will, to content *they* had decided we didn't need to see. At worst you were a participant. At best, as was pointed out above, you were a flat-out liar helping coverup what these assh**es were doing by going out of your way to argue that no such thing existed when you knew full well that it did. (Given, also, that you are demonstrably a liar, why the f**k should anyone believe you when you say you weren't participating.)
Congratulations on being my first block. You'll be joined by any other name on this list that doesn't end up banned. You've all proven you have absolutely nothing of any value to contribute to a rational and open conversation.
al3efromanAug 5, 2010
Your defense is still one of two wrongs making a right. The only catch is that you were (or are) a member of a group that got caught engaging in this specific behavior. It's on record now. You actually haven't provided any facts to back up your allegations against others or why people bury one another. If you can find some, you should post a story about it and there can be a lively discussion regarding the action of those people. This article, however, is about your associates and their actions and contains details (that you have not refuted).
I'm not arguing who games the system. There are likely many groups that engage in this behavior. That, however, does not make your written attacks of those who point it out any more honest. This is simply based on the article, your comments to Jordon and post in this thread in which you say you immediately knew what was going on.
Go ahead and level as many attack on as many other digg/burying groups as you wish. You may be justified, but it doesn't make your previous history with respect to honesty, as it pertains to mass-dugg/buried articles, credible.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I'll just do what I've always done, and that's digg comments and articles that I like and bury the ones I don't, without regard to how it's received. A group itself isn't a "violation of the Digg TOS," and whether or not organized burying/digging is, I'm not sure. But that's immaterial to me anyway, as no one's going to find I was involved in it- mu conscience is clear. As to my comments re: Jordan's post- they stand. Whining is whining, and I don't do it or like it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
aronwyrthAug 5, 2010
"As soon as I joined I realized what was up and wanted no part of it, as it just seemed contrived."
Kudos. . . but then, why not LEAVE the group? As in actually revoking your membership (though I confess I don't know how such a thing is done, as I've never joined such a group)? Didn't conservative icon Joseph McCarthy think something along the lines of "once a Commie, always a Commie?"
louiscipher777Aug 5, 2010
I originally joined when digg got rid of shouts, because I was under the impression that it was an alternative to shouts. after a few weeks of nearly constant email "updates" I stopped logging in and put the whole thing out of my mind. I suspect that the same can be said about a bunch of names on that list.
It's always kinda funny when your name comes up in regards to something you tried out for a couple weeks a year or two ago.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
janineeeAug 5, 2010
Not only did Atom do nothing about it, but attacked and insulted someone who suggested such a thing might be happening. Must be just a coincidence that several people on the list were commenting right along with atom.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
atomheartmother. You are wrong. There are no progressive groups that have organized bury brigades. That's one of the differences between us and the cons honestly, we hold our friends to higher standards. I know, I'm a member of all the clubs, lol.
Seriously though, I have never seen an organized campaign to bury conservative content on Digg. Ever. A few random shouts and tweets used to pop up, and more often than not, those progressives were banned for it.
janineeeAug 5, 2010
http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Rattington_Post_Bloggers_dodged_a_bullet_with_DISCLOSE?t=34059261#c34059261
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"That's one of the differences between us and the cons honestly, we hold our friends to higher standards."
Well if you're privy to the threads on that group, you know that I had no part in it I hope that higher standard would mean you'd point that out.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Organized burying hurts digg the most because of the way the algorithm works. Having been the object of organized burying efforts since I have been on digg I really have a distaste for those efforts.
goldyoshiAug 5, 2010
I just digg you up because I like your username!
...Am I part of the problem of digg? :(
Jordan117Aug 5, 2010
I believe that. I remember debating stuff with you on Digg before -- you may be conservative, but you're not a contemptuous pigheaded doctrinaire assh**e like most of the DiggPatriots people I've had the misfortune to encounter.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Thank you Jordan, I appreciate that. You're one of the people I enjoy debating... I generally disagree with you but you're bright and present your viewpoints admirably- it's always spirited.
In any case, anyone can see that I haven't been on the site since it began and have zero activity there. None.
UphemismAug 5, 2010
kumbaya my lord
kumbaya
See, isn't it nice when we all get along...
vbullingerAug 5, 2010
Hey, Jordan, I can't find the link to the actual Digg Patriots group. I don't want to join, I just don't do coordinated crap like that, but I wanted to find the evidence and maybe lose respect for some of the members. Googling it comes up with references to the group, like a Yahoo! group or something, but no real evidence of it.
I don't doubt you, I'm just asking. Also, I probably didn't make it clear in the other article: I don't think you've got multiple accounts as people were suggesting, it's just weird when people protest so much.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Vbullinger,
Either way Digg has links on the subs to send off to Twitter.
It is a moot issue. Sending it off to your twitter network and having it retweeted is organized enough and allowed by Digg.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crazyredivanAug 5, 2010
The DP group has been gone at least since I tried looking for it almost 3 hours ago.
twinklyjesusAug 5, 2010
Dilberto has a valid point, you can do the same with FB...
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
i, on the other hand am a "contemptuous pigheaded doctrinaire assh**e" but i am the King of the Digg patriots so it is to be expected.
but i never bury....
my question to you is that fair?
/for real never bury and hardly ever digg down besides the buy my nikes spam diggers... GET EM! Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Sorry all of you.
This is Digg. Guilty until proven innocent and even then it's just a conspiracy.
novenatorAug 5, 2010
@vbullinger, I can tell you what happened with that. The Digg "Patriots" scrubbed the Yahoo Group this morning after they located this story. It was originally located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiggPatriots/
maxell101Aug 5, 2010
You let them get away with this. You joined for a purpose. Do not justify this.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I'm not the thought police, and I've got nothing to justify.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Bulls**t AHM! You have been gaming the system by not turning these bastards in when you knew what they were doing and you have VERY MUCH benefited by their mass activities, do not EVEN try to babble your way out of this you filthy scumbag!!!! You have called people all sorts of names for 100 times less and you know it. You have no integrity and no credibility. If you were in any way an honorable person you would DELETE your account and leave permanently!!!!!
The fact that you admit to having EVER been part of that group should have you banned PERMANENTLY!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"You have been gaming the system by not turning these bastards"
Sorry, but not turning people in is hardly gaming the system. And frankly, you've got a lot of nerve attacking me for incendiary commenting. Yes it's true that I've often used sarcasm and derision- mainly against people like yourself who do NOTHING except name-call and never engage in debate of any kind.
You're the worst of what digg has to offer. It's you who should be banned, and it's clear from your comments that you HAVE been banned before, and have slunk back onto digg under your new screen name:
http://digg.com/politics/Fans_Support_Reporter_Fired_Over_Offensive_Views_On_Israel?t=33164178#c33190620Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
damn i am so pissed i could have been part of something that makes nonuts froth at the mouth...
AHM i think we missed the boat here, we could have been part of something special Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
And here is where I replied to your nonsense back then:
"Hey, funny enough, just the other day someone named Lynn was insisting I was someone called "gayjesus" while someone they KNEW had just recently banned (Mollydog) was right next to them tag-team burying Novinator. Funny enough, just about any time wingnuts like yourself say something like that, they are projecting their own guilt knowing that someone they have friended was recently banned. Sorry AHM, some people actually read the comments of people who say shockingly moronic and agitated bulls**t, and know what a liar and sleaze you have been just by reading your history. I doubt I am the only one as you have a long history and, although hard to stomach, lets the reader know what a lying sack of s**t you really are. "
And now, this article proves that my statement was perfectly true.
Projection much? Scumbag! That you would even ATTEMPT to turn this on someone else after being caught red-handed. The worst thing is that you have been able to swindle a good many bright and reasonable people to actually trust you while you spewed your insane extremist noise.
You are a sick little man.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Sorry nowingnuts, but it's you who are a proven liar, not me:
"That's the second time you've gone out of your way to proclaim that you're a new digg user, but you're fulll of s**t there too, and it's obvious. You "first" joined digg on May 2nd, and on that SAME day you wrote:
"Landlove and jerrylaments are wingnut fundi closet cases, it is easiest to simply ignore the s**t they spray out of their mouths."
http://digg.com/politics/GDP_rise_not_enough_to_make_dent_in_jobless_rate?t=32501916#c32514934
Three days later, this:
"VR, this is not common for most on digg, just the wingnut teabaggers who spew right-wing nonsense. Come back in a few hours and all of this hate spew will be dugg down to Hell."
Wow, you learned what's "common" on digg in 3 days, huh? Impressive... You got banned because you were being a prick and went too far. ...and anyone who's interested can take a look at some of your comments and see that you've got no room to talk about anyone else's' incivility; you're the worst of the worst.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Do you ever ACTUALLY READ the comments you auto-bury. People like-minded to myself were constantly being attacked on this site by, surprise surprise, people on that very list! Especially Novinator, who was buried to hell every time he sneazed. I lurked before making an account and commenting about an especially vicious attack by a person who was later outed as a banned user called Mollydog on Anom (who writes a blog that I have followed for some time) who was outed that night by other progressive Diggers . I googled MollyDog and saw the disgusting rants this scumbag had made on people who saw things much like I do for reasons he would surely attack me for as well and decided to jump in as the It didn't take a great deal of reading to discover the kind of demented SOB that you and your entire lynchmob consist of and unfortunately, I have been here ever since. Before I had never wanted to waste my time commenting and damn do I ever wish I had never started with jerks like you running around spewing noise at people and gaming the system.
Now, back to what a lying sack of $hit you are and why, if you have any respect for yourself, you will leave and never come back. Maybe you could get a hobby, some more advanced meds, and get your pathetic life out of the extremist-right-wing hole you have sunk down into.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"I lurked before making an account and commenting about an especially vicious attack by a person who was later outed as a banned user called Mollydog on Anom "
Stop with the bulls**t, wingnut. You are a probable liar and a hypocrite. It's amazing that you've got the stones to come on here and sanctimoniously attack me, given your obvious dishonesty. It's you who should leave and never return- you do nothing but attack people, not debate.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Nowingnutless is Gayjesus/Itofts.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Nope, never have had a digg account before this one, Sorry! You did have a DP account and this article is proof, so please, stop with the projection and leave, you demented lying cheat.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I dunno if he's gayjeusus (who I got banned) but the thread above makes clear that he absolutely did have another account, which makes his attacks on me laughable, not to mention hypocritical.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Please stop feeding the troll.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Nowingnutless has a mouth like Itofts and uses phrases I've heard only from Gayjesus.
phaedrynAug 5, 2010
"damn i am so pissed i could have been part of something that makes nonuts froth at the mouth...
AHM i think we missed the boat here, we could have been part of something special"
You aren't the only one...why didn't someone TELL me?!?!
I feel so left out...
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"damn i am so pissed i could have been part of something that makes nonuts froth at the mouth..."
Actually I'm more and more convinced that it's purely genetic.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
How adorable, the very people on the list are STILL projecting their nonsense on others. The really funny part is that Lynn, also on the list and who runs around with whoever SadMollyLisa is this week is projecting this nonsense on me with individuals who are still active and haven't been banned. As I said before, I am not worthy to strap GayJesus' Prada Sandal, but thanks for lying, you cheating slimeball.
As for AHM, just keep fuggin' that chicken, Wingnut. We all know who the real liars here are, the article has a whole list of them. I have never had another Digg account personally and I never will, but I am sure you will if the Digg staff sticks to the TOS and tosses each one of you sleazebags out on your asses. It really isnt surprising from extremist wingnuts like these assh**es, just keep repeating that big lie no matter what evidence is found, because without credibility or dignity to start with, jerks like Lynn and AHM can just spin and spew to their hearts content without a shred of embarrassment for the obvious.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Itofts and Gayjesus are banned. You would know this because they are you nonuts. Go back and read that article again and see if you can find me mentioned or on any list. I am not there idiot.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Neither is banned, but hey, keep on lying, wingnut. How is MollyDog doing?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
You don't know how to check to see if someone is banned isn't that right nonuts. let me help you.
http://digg.com/users/Gayjesus
http://digg.com/users/Itofts
I am not tied in with Molly. But I can tell you this, he is a much better person than you liar.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Don't know how to check to see if someone is banned nonuts? Let me help you.
http://digg.com/users/Itofts
http://digg.com/users/Gayjesus
Now who's lying?
Too bad Molly was banned. I kind of liked him. He certainly was a better person than you.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Well, being a psycho fundi moron, I can see why you and Molly would get along. I thought I saw Itofts yesterday and since there are about 20 people with the name Jesus in their handle, Maybe I had him confused for someone else.
So, what is going to become of your ridiculous, repugnant ass when your lynchmob gets kicked out and you with them? I guess you and molly will just pick new "girl" names like he did with SadLisa and start over again. Way to project, wingnut, you are just precious!
It was so fun to get you to say "gayJesus" so many times. Would have liked to meet someone who seems to have kicked your ass around enough to get your attention like that. However, I think you have pretended to have me confused with he/she/whatever because of my use of the word "Talibangelicals" which I actually got from Novinator. So hey, thanks for playing. Make sure to drop a note whenever you get permibanned and make a new account, hate to lose such a fun pinata!
Oh, was it you who was saying that i was LostLyrics too? Sooo adorable! Why stop there, maybe I am AtomHeartMother and MrBabyMan too! Funny how you spew this bulls**t in the comments of the very article that calls your lynchmob out for doing this very thing... I just LOVE this crazy-ass little guy!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny, I never said anything about the word Talibangelicals. You are exposing yourself gayj. Got caught in some lies so make up some more. Not to bright.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Oh come now lynee, say it for me, you cannot call me what you are not willing to say you silly little fundi closet-case! Sooo Adorable!
Actually, on the talibangelical part, that was in the comment where I first debunked your nonsensical blather and you started dreaming up this idiocy so I just guessed maybe that was what you were talking about. I guess you just pulled it out of your ass, as usual.
Come on, now, just for old time's sake, say that name love to call me before you get kicked out for gaming the system with your little lynchmob buddies, you silly fundi nutbag! Come on, say "Gaaaay Jeeeeee...." LOL So pathetically hilarious! How do you keep coming back after getting burned over and over again?
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
See that lynn? You just got BURNED! LOL!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I remember now, Lynn is a birther and is used to being proven as a liar and treated as a laughing stock. Almost forgot...
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Hahahaha....It won't go away... NOOOO. Crackpot. =))
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Yes, it is completely appropriate for a birther wingnut idiot to call someone that he has been stalking for months a crackpot. Makes perfect sense...
nidstylesAug 7, 2010
Hey no nut's, you can't lurk on Digg. The post's that appear while logged off are not the same one's you'll see when logged on. The new's and the view's are ordered so that you see the comment's to those that you have dugg or buried in the past. That sort of negate's your premise of having been a lurker. You never would have seen most of the post's in each article for that simple point.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
/cool randomwordgenerator bro!
seriously, what the hell are you spewing about, nid?
upnorthgirlAug 5, 2010
@atom - whether it is true or not that you were part of it, you have now been implicated. Just like some of these "patriot" folks did to raise faked news stories that hurt others to the front, you are now hurt.
Karma just bit you in the ass. Maybe you will consider your actions a bit more closely in the future.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I dunno that anyone faked news stories or "hurt others,' but maybe you can show me what you're talking about. As far as myself being hurt, that's a joke... those that disagree with me will continue to do so, those that don't. won't. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Of course you don't! It really is everyone's fault but yours that you were actively trying to game the system, you pathetic hack!
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
You're not getting anywhere wingnut. I'm here to stay, and as you can see, my original comment is going up, up up. Meanwhile, you're still a liar.
Hahaha!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
al3efromanAug 5, 2010
Are we supposed to be impressed that large amounts of people digg your comment? You're a member of a group caught digging/buying en masse. Your credibility in that arena is thoroughly compromised.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"You're a member of a group caught digging/buying en masse."
Sorry, but "the group" wasn't caught, individuals within it were- and I'm not one of them.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I love how AHM, in an apparent embodiment of the late Ferdinand Marcos, keeps referring to the very thing that shows he is guilty of what he has been caught red-handed doing as a sign of "success"! LOL
Of course he was the President of the Philippines, the vote he was actively rigging proves it!
Maybe you should just go lay down for awhile AHM, your game here is completely ruined and you know it...
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
What a load of s**t. You got caught gaming the system and you're trying to talk your way out of it. Bull. s**t.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Well then I challenge you or anyone else to provide one post from me on that site or any other site which shows I was part of any burying efforts.
Put up or shut up.
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
Why should I, or anyone else, have to prove you are guilty when your name being on the website has already done so?
You are not in a position to demand that people prove anything. That part is over with.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Sure, AHM, here you go:
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered
Now man up and admit it, you lying sack of crap. If you had any integrity you would leave and not return.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
My name being on the list simply means I joined it. I'm certain it also shows I haven't been back in months. So again, if you're accusing me of gaming the system, show some evidence that I ever did.
You can't.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
Prove to us that you had nothing to do with this. Why not show us a list of all the things you've buried?
Obviously we can't take your word for it, since your name appearing on that list means that you probably had something to do with it.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
You are asking us to believe YOU? AFTER THIS?? And also being combative about people stating the obvious after being caught, red-handed, actively trying to subvert the Democratic process on DIGG?
While you insult us?
You obviously have no shame and absolutely no dignity, how on earth could you expect anyone to think you have any credibility whatsoever? You are now a living joke, much like a smart but equally deluded David Niven, except sinister and mean spirited liar. At least Niven is just an idiot!
GTFO Cheater, you should be ashamed of yourself!
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Sorry wingnut, but the only provable liar here is you, as is evidenced on the other thread.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny enough, no I didn't and much like I answered on the other thread. This article proves that maybe you should stop projecting and just admit you are a lying scumbag who needs to do the right thing and simply leave.
Hopefully, the staff of Digg will realize the same and toss your ass out of here. You will probably just further prove you are a scumbag and actually do what you are accusing me of, but at least everyone will know what happened.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Hahaha....I'm not going to be tossed wingnut because I'm not guilty of anything, unlike you. It amazes me that in the face of clear evidence that you're lying about being banned and coming back under another name you'd act so sanctimonious.
You have no shame at all.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I have never been banned, you have however been exposed as a member of a group that actively circumvents the democratic system on digg. Sorry, you simply cannot troll your way out of this one, wingnut.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"I have never been banned,"
Joe Wilson.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"I am not a crook!"
-Richard W. Nixon
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
You may not be a crook but you damn sure are an idiot!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
That would be Richard M Nixon, not W. I guess I just associate W to criminals much like I associate AHM with system-gaming extremist uber-trolls...
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"I never took steroids" -- Mark McGwire
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
"I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
"I am not a pathetic liar who games Digg and hides the identity of a lynchmob that I have known about for years"-- AtomHeartMother
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
^^^ LOL
"Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction."
fairdinkummateAug 5, 2010
"My comments, diggs and buries may not be popular on here, but they're my own."
Why would anyone believe that atomheartmother? Your credibility is now even lower than it already was. Your claimed membership without action doesn't let you off the hook at all. If you really believed that your viewpoints were valid, you'd have called these people out & put your viewpoints forward via submissions and comments in an open & honest way like the rest of us. Hiding behind "I joined but didn't do anything" whilst accepting diggs for your comments & submissions from other members of the DiggPatriots group is pathetic.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
I don't really care if you believe it or not. But until you or anyone else can show some evidence that I engaged in group burying/submitting then you have no leg to stand on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
You're asking us to prove something that is not technically provable. How can anyone truly know what your intentions were when you buried something?
Your name appearing on this list shows that you, more than likely, had something to do with it. The ball is in your court now. Prove that you didn't, or stop denying it. Denying it and demanding proof, when proof enough has already been supplied, is shallow and pathetic.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
No Fred...simply being on a list of like-minded conservatives is not "proof" of anything. Whoever wrote the article also had access to comments- they posted them. They'll not find me making ANY comments, and it should also show that I wasn't an active user who hadn't been there since first joining.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
avengingturnipAug 5, 2010
Says one of Novenators' altar egos?
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Tell you what Fred, if you can find atomheart on either the DP yahoo group or webpage, you can feel free to accuse him of whatever.
Otherwise, it's just someone joining a group of people they believe to have slightly similar views.
Oh noes. Not NETWORKING, its teh EVIL. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Funny, even after showing evidence of your purposeful attack of the digg community, you pathetic right-wingnut-extremists still attempt to spin, spew and project.
Do you not see how ridiculous you look?
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
That isn't merely a list of "like-minded conservatives". It is a mailing list for gaming Digg. I'm not pointing to your membership at some random forum or usergroup. I'm pointing to your name on a list whose sole purpose was to alter the content appearing on Digg's front page.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
exactly feld. Neither wingnut nor anyone else has a shred of evidence that I've ever engaged in ANY organized burying. And what's funny is that he's a provable sockpuppet.
He's just jumped on the thread because he sees an opportunity to score points because I've smacked down his comments in the past.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Take the tinfoil hat off your own head before you complain about anyone else's wingnut.
There's a difference between a concentrated digg bot attack and actually reading the articles and making comments to them.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Damn, AHM, you really are Schizotypal aren't you? The only ones here who are proven liars, cheats and scumbags are listed in the article and you have quite a prominent place on the list. Keep spinning, liar, it really is hilarious!
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
AHM, why didn't you leave the group then, if you weren't active?
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Eh... I created a yahoo email to join and just didn't bother. I imagine its mailbox is quite full by now.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Oh come on Static, you don't ignore me... you're here, right?
solitaireroseAug 5, 2010
Funny how your comments show up within minutes of the other people on the list, and sound so similar. Besides, I thought you were a "business owner". Shouldn't you be running your business instead of working with a bunch of Freeper/Fox Fan/right wing trolls?
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Tell you what... I'll worry about my business and you worry about yours. Thanks.
ultimisAug 5, 2010
Digg has this features of "friends". That allows you to see what your friends are digging and commenting in. Maybe you should look it up?
solitaireroseAug 5, 2010
Better idea, you drop the list and quit whining that you have no time to make money because of evil Obama and I might pay attention to your opini9on. Otherwise, you are simply a troll loser who can't be trusts.
Business my ass.
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
so now its bad to see what people on your friends list on digg are doing?
anyone let digg know they are gaming digg with digg friends?
kevin is going to be so pissed!
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Freelance troll for hire is teh bizness.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Solitaire, I suggest you work hard for many years too so that you can enjoy the fruits of your labor as well.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
So, how much were you paid to be a astro-turfing shill, AHM??
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Bluto, seriously, I know you are a decent person. Do not defend the actions of these bastards when you know for a fact this was wrong.
All politics aside, seriously, do not become an apologist for these people when you know they are actively circumventing the democratic system of this forum!
There is nothing wrong with mixing it up with people you disagree with and that is a great thing to get from Digg. With the system being gamed by groups like this, how long until it becomes completely worthless?
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
hey nonuts
im not defending it at all gaming digg is just dumb... but c'mon I'm allowed to see what my fiends are doing and go comment digg etc
personally i think burying stuff is dumb and i dont do but rarely and for specific reasons, not political and not for differing opinions.
that being said im going to be so pissed if i could have been getting payed for this. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Bluto, you are certainly allowed to comment on whatever you like, you crazy wingnut moron, but to pretend that these people were not intentionally circumventing the system to make their insane spew look like is was slightly less crazy after all of this is just below even a right-wing knuckle-dragger like yourself.
Again, what is it with you extremist-righties and your interest in my testicles? Sorry, I am flattered but taken. I knew the verified digg-cheater and closet case SadMollyLisaBarry was a ball-obsessed pervert, but, et tu Bluto? Maybe this is why you guys called yourselves the teabag party for so long...
bluto36Aug 5, 2010
yes you caught me nonuts, my plan was to secretly get you to expose your no-nuts to me on digg, i have a secret thing for lady-men libs that make up for their inadequacies by writing insults and attacks.
damn i may as well go join the Zionist megaphoners... way more fun to get caught gaming digg with those guys. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
If by no nuts you mean doughnuts I will save you a Jelly...
What is a Zionist Megaphoner? Damn you are daft today. Are you high? Hell, at least you are not a Birther like Dilberto so I guess I will just have to deal with your pining for my testicles here on Digg. Sooo Precious!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
I have to point out that organized burying is entirely fair if it's using true accounts. When you have a group of people that strongly identify on a topic it's very obvious that their diggs/burys on that topic would be synonymous. The only difference is having a medium to advertise where there are posts that agree and disagree with their view points. There is nothing wrong here.
Now if people are using scripts, multiple accounts and so forth to automate burying then yes this is wrong.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ironhideAug 5, 2010
Diggs TOU disagrees with you
fredfredricksonAug 5, 2010
The site isn't supposed to be a competition between organized groups for what they can and can't get and remove from the front page. It's supposed to be a massive collection of individual likes and dislikes, divorced from any organized group. That's the goal that the Terms of Use sets forth, and that's why you are wrong, darkened.
speedsteamboatAug 5, 2010
No. It's not fair to target people and deliberately try to censor them. It's not fair to have a private group specifically gang up on submissions and users you disagree.
The only reason you're even attempting to justify this obvious bulls**t is because these people agree with your views and you probably participated in the gaming.
Digg is an open forum and is not intended to be a private soapbox for your political views.
The concept of digg is that you vote for or against comments and submissions based on whether or not you agree with them or find them interesting. If you are organizing a large group of people to digg up or bury stuff not for the quality of its content but merely to further your own political agenda or silence voices you don't like that is not only contrary to the spirit of Digg but extremely unethical.
I don't believe for one second these people honestly think they are actually doing the right thing. Perhaps there's some warp sense of "the ends justify the means" but the fact that they so vehemently denied this was going on for so long instead of coming out and admitting that they were organizing to do these things proves they know they were wrong. If they truly believed what they were doing was fair there'd be no cause for dishonesty.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@SpeedSteamBoat and I can make wild accusations too. the fact you're on my block list means you're just as likely to be part of the liberal bury brigade that's the opposite of the Digg Patriots.
Regardless of what their TOU say it's not possible for Digg to regulate people collectively downvoting progressivism the exact same way they can't regulate people collectively downvoting conservatism.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
emmeronAug 5, 2010
Fred,
in the very environment that digg creates, a certain part of the population will always decline to think for themselves. Popularity is the force behind democracy, conformity is a part of popularity... in the end, the longer you keep the same people talking in a room, the more polarized the ideas will become. A large majority will form in most cases while an ostracized "others" will find no satisfaction.
In other words, it is human nature to organize. Good luck with that.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
@emmeron well put. It's proven time and time again that people will readily conform to feel in the normal.
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
So in other words, Darkened, you right-wingers are right to have figured out a way to circumvent the system and should be commended for violating the TOS? Good to know!
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
No, it is an external group who has gathered solely for the reason of burying stories they never read and bullying people regardless of what they say organized by extremists to make their nonsense appear less crazy. The fact that you continue to support them is proof that you have no integrity and should be considered to have no credibility much like those you prattle apologia for. Your lynchmob buddies have been exposed, and none of your spew is going to put that wingnut Genie back in the bottle. Sorry!
speedsteamboatAug 6, 2010
@darkened: "This is no different than following a twitter feed they're all interested in and going to digg and doing what they're going to do."
No. It's not like that at all. Do you know what the word "motive" means? The motive behind an act can often mean the difference between an accident, an unfortunate situation, and a crime. If your only motivation is to participate in Digg that's fine. Alternatively, if your motive is the force your own political agenda on the Digg community by gaming the system to silence people you disagree with that is WRONG.
Consider this. You are in a room full of people debating various topics and what not. People being up certain topics and others participate in various conversations as they catch their interest. Now imagine that one day a small minority group, maybe less that 5% of the people who frequent this forum, decide they don't like what most the people there are saying. They decide their opinions and ideas are superior to everyone else's. They organize to manufacture a false consensus in the room. When someone they disagree with starts talking they shout them down using bullhorns and noise makers to prevent anyone from ever hearing what is said. At the same time, they start shouting their own opinions from the stage they erected (when everyone used to be on the same footing) equipped with a microphone and loudspeakers and which they reserve for their own personal use only.
This is the equalization of what the "Digg Patriots" have done. They aren't content with participated in an open forum. Their ideas, for whatever reason, don't resonate with most people, so they resolve to end the open nature of the forum or at least circumvent it to the greatest possible degree they can while pretending that they playing by the rules.
There's a big difference between a general consensus among a broader community and a minority group attempting to manufacture a false consensus while silencing their opposition. The fact that I'm on your blocklist tells me that you are the type of person who simply hates anyone who disagrees with them. Their is no "liberal bury brigade" conspiracy just like their is no "liberal media" conspiracy. It happens that the majority of Digg users are progressive. If you are unhappy with that fact you are welcome to leave, but you'd earn more respect if you stayed to participate in the debate. But please don't expect us to believe that acting like a bully is a legitimate means for expressing an opinion or in any way the same as a group of people who just happen to agree finding themselves in the same room. Don't offer me the pathetic excuse that your cheating was justified because you couldn't keep up with the other players. it is fallacious, stupid, and makes you sound like a very bigoted person.
PS- Your icon makes no sense whatsoever and is not clever. Also, you need to look up the meaning of the term "collectivism." I do not think it means what you think it means.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
No, I enjoy coming here and laughing at how stupid people like you are. The fact you're on my blocklist makes it easy to signify that I should bury you. And for you to make statements like "Their is no "liberal bury brigade" conspiracy just like their is no "liberal media" conspiracy." Shows you're as big of a fool as I know you are. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Of course darkened, and the article that we are all commenting on says that exact thi... Ohh, wait.
I get that as a right-wingnut moron you are in complete denial about everything that doesn't fit into your myopic, dreamed-up world view, but seriously you have nothing now. Maybe you should just walk away considering you are sooo beaten without anyone's comments here that you are just starting to look silly. Then again, if you just want to plug your ears and go "lalalalala" or scream "you doo itt tooooo" with absolutely no proof, go ahead. Considering you have no credibility at this point, what do you have to lose?
Now that we know along side being completely backward, you have no dignity and have lost the ability to challenge the cheating scumbags who you agree with so often, we will all just have to remember to ignore you as well. Between the time all your friends in the DP get kicked out and the time they break TOS again by creating sockpuppet accounts, you should consider getting some rest, because, well, you are starting to make a spectacle of yourself.
numbAug 5, 2010
This might be a good time for any else that is aware of other groups to out them, conservative or otherwise. Even if you bailed when you found them disagreeable, you might still be implicated in the future if you sit by and say nothing.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Its kind of unfortunate that simply saying you are conservative can get you more than 26 buries.
This is also why I refuse to join ANY groups. Same holds true to facebook, etc. I am an independent, and refuse to allow any group to define what I am by proxy. Even if not true, people will still assume guilt by association.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
If conservatives didn't by and large get represented by fascists and lunatics, maybe it wouldn't. But there aren't too many intellectual conservatives left. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
What? What did I say thats untrue. Conservatives have allowed people like Anne Coulter, Bill'O, Rush, Sarah Palin, Malkin, etc... To define the debate.
You think these individuals aren't extremists whose goal is not their own pockets and dividing the country, lying, defaming the way they do it?
Conservatives like William Buckley one can respect. These talking-head fascists that have come to represent the tea party and conservatism in general, no. And in general, digg conservatives toe the talking head line, not the intellectual line.
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felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Actually, the MEDIA has allowed people like Anne Coulter et. all to define the debate.
Furthermore, you'll find that any objective study shows that the tea party is the MINORITY of the right wing in the US. They just have nobody representing their interests in the government. So they don't vote, and are therefore unappealing to either political party, who continue going further left and right to the people that do vote.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
Sorry flidaeus. Ruch Limbaugh is a function of his ratings. Its the people tuning in that have defined the debate. The media can present. You don't have to watch.
Explain how Sharon Angle stole the GOP candidacy in Nevada from a more moderate Republican. You've been choosing this path. Not the moderates. They've been sitting screaming about how the idiots are running the circus.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
Didn't everything you just said make my point?
Heck, I would have voted Obama if I could. I voted GREEN in Canada since I knew the conservatives would win anyway. You'll find if you care to look that right wingers will listen to limbaugh because there's nobody else on prime time. The middle listens to limbaugh AND olbermann. It's called making informed decisions. I Personally don't listen to any talk shows as it's a waste of time and intellect. CBC and BBC for me thx.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
No, you blamed the media. I'm blaming the people. The media is nothing without them, a mere symptom.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
The media is hardly beholden to people, it is beholden to the masses, which have always preferred circuses to truth.
And btw, you might want to double-check your facts. The GOP did refudiate them, hence the concentrated attack you mentioned. Can't have it both ways here.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
"And btw, you might want to double-check your facts. The GOP did refudiate them, hence the concentrated attack you mentioned. Can't have it both ways here."
I'm sorry, when did this happen? What attack did I mention?
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felidaeusAug 5, 2010
"Explain how Sharon Angle stole the GOP candidacy in Nevada from a more moderate Republican"
Is only one. It was huge news that the GOP was losing seats because of concentrated tea party attacks.
Besides, just because something gets good ratings, such as say, 30 million viewers, it doesn't mean much. What's the population of the US? How many people identify themselves as conservative/right moderate?
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
Um, if 10% of the voting age population of the U.S. was watching, I'd say that means a hell of a lot.
felidaeusAug 5, 2010
I think we've come full circle, as I can't disagree with ay of your statements.
It is true that the tea party is a *subset*, not the whole right wing.
As for what it has to do with the media, I can still remember when the media just played the facts and didn't pander for ratings (which it does now).
charlie6969Aug 6, 2010
Good Heavens people!
REFUDIATE is NOT a word! Even my spellchecker agrees with me.
It is REPUDIATE.
Refudiate is a word made up by Palin (Shakespeare). The fact that it is being used in a debate is freaking EMBARRASSING!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Repudiate
refudiate: Word not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia. Did you mean:
repudiate
http://www.towleroad.com/2010/07/palin-refudiate.html
felidaeusAug 6, 2010
I blame "refute".
staticthunderAug 6, 2010
"It is true that the tea party is a *subset*, not the whole right wing. "
Yes, the vocal FACE of the right wing, which the whole right wing refuses to disown because its scared of them.
If you let yourself be represented by fascists, whose fault is it. Its not mine. I'm a liberal marxist socialist. What I say doesn't matter.
emmeronAug 5, 2010
Just want to give you a little support here, AHM -- Of all the people on the list I've debated, we've at least debated. You've always come out as a thinking person, not a whiny idiot as some of them have.
Most of them I've never seen comment, I think they existed for burying.
We don't always agree, but I have respect for you and your words.
On a side note: I remember the shouts days -- and people like nolibs -- anything anti-big government getting buried be it leftist or right. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Thanks emeron, . I have always debated fairly with those I've disagreed with as long as they've shown me the same respect. The people attacking me here are generally the ones I've smacked down in the past. They've either attacked me personally or have left really ignorant comments, both of which I've got little tolerance for.
We've disagreed but you've always been civil and shown yourself to be very thoughtful. I always respect that. I appreciate the kind words.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fairdinkummateAug 5, 2010
"The people attacking me here are generally the ones I've smacked down in the past." - Really? You can't possibly conceive of the notion that the people 'attacking' you here are just people that abide by Digg's TOU & feel it only fair that you & your wingnut friends do the same?
You really are a typical right winger - you seem to believe that there should be one set of rules for you(& your friends) & another for everyone. Then, when caught in the act, you use the equivalent of the "I didn't inhale" defence & wonder why nobody believes you.
So that means the next step must be you appearing with your pastor, telling everyone you are only human & were tempted by the devil but now you understand that God will show you the way home & you hope that your family & friends can forgive you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
Case in point, you FairDinkum. I DO abide by the digg TOS and as I've said, you've got nothing to back up your slander except the fact that my name's on a list- last time I checked that's not any kind of violation. And as far as nobody believing me, that is horses**t, as is evidenced by the diggs/buries on my first comment, and the other LIBERALS who have stuck up for me here. Unlike you, they're not only fair people, they have a working brain.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fairdinkummateAug 5, 2010
AHM - Oh, poor you, it's just not fair to be called out. Your claim of abiding by the Digg TOS has no credibility. Strangely enough, everyone on that list that has commented on it has claimed the same thing:
alanocu - "I don't participate in coordinated buries"
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered?t=34182400#c34187679
you - "As soon as I joined I realized what was up and wanted no part of it"
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered?t=34182911#c34183236
LouisCipher777 - "I originally joined when digg got rid of shouts, because I was under the impression that it was an alternative to shouts."
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered?t=34182911#c34187248
Quirkopatra - "...at the time of the publication of this article I was NOT a member of this group"
http://digg.com/politics/Massive_Censorship_Of_Digg_Uncovered?t=34183934#c34186516
Yet none of you have denied joining the group, receiving diggs from members of it or being aware of what it was doing. Your claims of no involvement don't ring true simply because you were aware of its efforts & happily accepted your comments &/or submissions being dugg up by it &/or made more visible by the groups burying of alternative submissions & comments.
atomheartmotherAug 5, 2010
"Strangely enough, everyone on that list that has commented on it has claimed the same thing:"
Maybe that's because if the WERE active in the group they wouldn't be brazen enough to claim that. Duh.
"Your claims of no involvement don't ring true simply because you were aware of its efforts & happily accepted your comments &/or submissions being dugg up by it "
So what? First of all I don't submit a hell of a lot and secondly in all the subs I've had I think maybe ONE has gone popular. People who digg my comments are on my friends list... it's natural that some of them would digg me up and vice versa.
But you know what.. I'm tired of defending myself to you. Think whatever the f**k you want.
emmeronAug 6, 2010
FWIW, both liberals and conservatives seem to love guilt by association.
I am neither, and only take atomheartmother's back because I've grown to respect him even when I disagree with a great deal.
"You really are a typical right winger - you seem to believe that there should be one set of rules for you(& your friends) & another for everyone else. Then, when caught in the act, you use the equivalent of the "I didn't inhale" defence & wonder why nobody believes you."
Hm. Go ahead, defend Obama's policies. ANY of them.
Oh, right, typical left-wing defense is to attack those who question by calling them "typical right wingers" or "racists."
Not saying I disagree with your assessment of typical to the right wing, FairDinkum, but generalities aren't kind to either left or right wing. Frankly, if I was told I had to choose between left and right based on the generalities that seem to apply too often, I think I'd rather die.
That is why I took someone's back -- because he is (agree with him or not) a thinking person who goes about things as an individual.
Generalities are quite unfair (yes I used them, and yes it was to be illustrative).
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
I'm afraid I don't believe you, atom. You have been incredibly insulting and combative in addition to being a diehard believer of the same things these "patriots" believe. My guess is you have been a lurker, quietly accepting their digg and bury recommendations while not contributing to them substantively.
Or perhaps you have additional accounts so you can skirt TOS rules?
atomheartmotherAug 6, 2010
"You have been incredibly insulting and combative in addition to being a diehard believer of the same things these "patriots" believe."
Hey guess what.... some people actually agree with others politically on issues. And you can "guess" whatever you want to buddy, but unless you've got something to back up your hunches (and ,you don' t) that's all they are.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
arramolAug 5, 2010
More evidence that GOP supporters don't actually care about freedom. Their stated goal is to convert people to conservatism. Well, if they're so insecure about the conservatism's merits that they have to lie and cheat to propagate it, I guess I should be sure to get out and vote against the Republicans!
torrangeAug 5, 2010
What is it called when a few with power dictate the thoughts, perceptions, and news of the masses..............??
seldon21Aug 5, 2010
Fascism
twinklyjesusAug 5, 2010
The Daily Show
inactiveuserAug 5, 2010
Faux News?
nraphaelAug 5, 2010
Oprah?
Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
If you have to lie to further your cause, your cause is not worth furthering.
derangedpenguinAug 5, 2010
Stated goal of Liberal-Progressive is to convert people to the left toward communism / national socialism. That is called debate and rhetoric. Give me a good argument why selling my freedom to become a Progressive is a good thing and I will consider it, same goes for Conservatives debating that personal responsibility is better than government slavery and I will follow that, so far personal responsibility is winning the debate in my mind.
"I will choose a path that's clear I will choose freewill" -- RushComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jscroAug 5, 2010
You can have debate in this country without resorting to idiocy and childishness like this. How do you further your cause in this country? You win elections.
"Stated goal of Liberal-Progressive is to convert people to the left toward communism / national socialism"
Seriously? People really believe this garbage? Maybe if you treated this like what is is, politics, and not some fight to death for some ideological struggle, you'd have a better grasp of reality.
clippclopAug 5, 2010
Conservatives think that the second you hit the left wing you are a Communist.
staticthunderAug 5, 2010
"Stated goal of Liberal-Progressive is to convert people to the left toward communism / national socialism. "
News to me. I just want a sane fiscal policy that promotes basic research, education and guarantees personal liberties instead of military fascism and religious theocracy.
timelessbwAug 5, 2010
.Just glad there’s finally proof. God, I hate liars and cheats.
rotundoAug 5, 2010
Me too. But is there anything we or digg can do about it?
Generally in security battles you will lose to a motivated enough foe. These people seem very motivated. It sounds to me that short of digg employing a full-time team to monitor these kinds of actions, they're going to continue. I bet the very notion that their abuse can't be stopped gives them warm fuzzies inside. Such is the mind of a psychopath.
Anyone out here have a solution that doesn't involve sinking to their level? Anyone at digg working on this?
ventg4funAug 5, 2010
If I remember right, the article said that the new version, 4.0, would pretty much put a stop to the problem because articles won't have a 'bury' option, only a 'report' option. That should curtail dirty(digg) patriots' efforts.
rotundoAug 5, 2010
That's an interesting approach. I wonder how it will pan out. Problem being they can still work on gaming the system from the positive side -- i.e. coordinating to boost stories with their agenda beyond what would happen if they just voted normally. I look forward to seeing what happens in practice.
skillelAug 5, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
fungowskiAug 6, 2010
We could fight fire with fire. email: frankfungowski -at- gmail and let's get started on the counter strike
anothrpath12Aug 5, 2010
@xirfan I totally get where you coming from. But I think this will make front page. Diggs Patriot seem pretty clever, they have to know blatant suppression of someone calling "shennanigans" will just get the Barbara Striesand Effect.
xirfanAug 5, 2010
i'm cool.. reason is this is now front page on reddit so it'll be front page on digg in a day or two :p
anothrpath12Aug 5, 2010
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHA! Well, I haven't seen a submission f**king EXPLODE like that in a while. This s**t's had me chuckling all f**king day dude.
And now it looks like this is gong to break 5000 before midnight EST!
...un-f**king-real...
maddoktor2Aug 5, 2010
This is Jack's complete lack of surprise.
p,s. - Told you so.
universalguyAug 5, 2010
You know I knew they were doing this. They have been doing this not just on digg, but on many other sites.
A great example is yahoo.com. Go check the politics section there, thousands of right wingers who get paid to sit all day and post negative comments about anything that is even slightly about politics.
They have mutliple accounts, and if you try to post anything even remotely positive about the left, or negative about the right, you get downvoted into oblivion by them.
Like someone said earlier, this is how the republican party works. They don't have the numbers, so they have to appear to be the majority by gaming the system.
What pathetic, sad, clowns. I am just glad someone finally exposed them. But we can't stop here...
magus_melchiorAug 6, 2010
"The first rule of Digg Patriots is... You do NOT talk about Digg Patriots. The second rule..."
alapoetAug 5, 2010
Cheaters are still losers.