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ferretmanFeb 5, 2012
Idiot. Glad he's been found guilty; this should serve as a good example to others.
eraptorFeb 6, 2012
So THIS is why Conservatives raise such a ruckus over voter fraud. It's coming from THEIR political circles.
Between this incident and Newt's fake signature collections in Virginia, we're seeing a pattern emerge but voter ID efforts won't touch the worst of it.
brucealmightyFeb 4, 2012
It's not like he could claim ignorance of the election laws, right? As far as his domestic personal problems, TS pal....we all have them at times but they aren't an excuse for committing multiple felonies.
skywiseFeb 4, 2012
So all college kids who vote are committing felonies?
Because they're either voting in the college town where they don't have legal residency, or they're voting at home where they don't live...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anomaly100Feb 4, 2012Submitter
If they live in their college's town, that is their residency.
skywiseFeb 4, 2012
Except when it's counted as out of state tuition...
kaegroFeb 4, 2012
So college students don't get to vote?
cousarFeb 5, 2012
We had to either go home to vote or vote absentee when I was in college.
tiskelFeb 5, 2012
How is tuition related to voting residence? Tuition rules are not state or federal rules unless you attend a state institution, and then, it's only to determine your rate, not your voting status.
Lying about where you live on your voter registration is fraud. Registering to vote in a location you live in only part of the year is not. In your world, do you have a minimum amount of time you have to live in a house before you can have your mail delivered there? In the world we live in, there are no such rules.
In California, where I live, the place where you live on the day you file your registration on the last day to register qualifies you to vote. In the city where I live, there is a large number of students who are only here for part of the year, and there are angry full-time residents who happen to have the opposite political view from the average college age person, and who constantly attempt to subvert the rights of these voting age students to vote in elections - always to be shot down due the fact that it's wrong to deny the people you disagree with the right to vote.
The same logic would mean that most retired people who live in the northern part of the country during the summer, yet live in the southern part of the country during the winter would also need to be disqualified - there goes a large number of conservative voters in Arizona and New Mexico...
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
Because if you live out of state (IE your residency) you get charged higher than if you live on campus... which is what you do for the majority of the time you're at school... but you still get charged out of state rates.
"The same logic would mean that most retired people who live in the northern part of the country during the summer, yet live in the southern part of the country during the winter would also need to be disqualified - there goes a large number of conservative voters in Arizona and New Mexico..."
EXACTLY my point... Those people are just as guilty of fraud as Charlie White using the same established evidence.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tiskelFeb 5, 2012
@skywise: if you 'live' out of state, how are you attending school? You live wherever your primary residence is, end of story. You may change primary residences every week, if that's what floats your boat.
There is absolutely no 'fraud' in registering to vote in a city you just moved to the day before the registration deadline, and then decided to move for whatever reason you please just after casting your vote on voting day.
There *is* fraud in registering to vote in a precinct where you *do not live*.
You are confusing the fact that we don't have rules as to where you live in this country, and we also don't have any rules punishing you for moving a lot. We do have rules that keep you from voting in a precinct where you do not have a vested interest (ie, you live there), even if you lived there as of the day before registration ended... It's not that difficult to see the distinction, unless you really don't want to see it.
jefftsFeb 5, 2012
According to Indiana law, they can only vote if they've resided in that precinct for 29 days prior to the election and have registered to vote in the precinct.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title3/ar7/ch13.html
Additionally...
Indiana law requires residents to present a government-issued photo identification before casting a ballot at the polls on Election Day. Your photo identification must meet all of the following four criteria to be acceptable for voting purposes:
* Display your photo; AND
* Display your name, and the name must conform to your voter registration record; AND
* Display an expiration date and either be current or have expired sometime after the date of the last General Election; AND
* Be issued by the State of Indiana or the U.S. government.
The BMV offers identification cards for Indiana residents who do not drive. To obtain an identification card, you must visit a license branch and present the required documents of identification. To obtain a free identification card for voting purposes, you must visit a license branch with the requirement documentation and state that you need a free identification card for voting purposes.
http://www.in.gov/bmv/2339.htm
breadfredFeb 5, 2012
skywise - old technique - you just reflect the question to an unrelated issue. stick to the question at hand. Oh, you don't have a defense, I forgot.
letherialFeb 5, 2012
i believe college kids are legally allowed to vote correct? wasnt that a supreme court case? Kinda building a straw man there.
Fact is, the jury thought they what ever he did, he commented a crime..a jury of his peers convicted him of voter fraud. You can argue the merits of the law, but clearly they saw otherwise.
I suppose he can fight this up to the supreme court and maybe he can be assumed to be in the same situation as a college kid..though i doubt that's the argument they would make.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Lock him up for lying to qualify for a job he didn't deserve.
But to pretend that he effected any elections is so phony and pathetic.
He voted one time.
Do you dare learn about REAL voter fraud? The kind that changes elections? Voting under phony names?
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
letherialFeb 6, 2012
I never pretended it effected anything; i stated facts from the article, the rest just felt misleading.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
If it didn't effect any elections then it's just some schnook lying to keep his job. Punish him.
But all these other digger libs are pretending this "voter fraud" effected elections. It did not.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wqubedFeb 5, 2012
What about IOWA VOTE FRAUD, these "officials" all need to go to jail for life.
neverstandstillFeb 5, 2012
What?! Corruption in politics?! I've never...
cavimikeFeb 5, 2012
How much of a money grubber does one have to be to risk 6 felonies for a measly $250 a week?
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
He wasn't. He was voting in the district where he had his legally registered address.
The question is, why did the DNC hound down not one, not two but THREE distinct court trials for this to force their guy into office for Secretary of State?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ageofmasteryFeb 5, 2012
There you have it, enforcing the law against a Republican is a witch hunt. They really do think they're above the law.
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
As I said above... If this were flipped and he were an illegal immigrant his driver's license address would be his legal residency for his voting precinct and y'all would be screaming that this was a witch hunt to stop the poor from voting.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ageofmasteryFeb 5, 2012
So you're not denying he committed fraud, you're just saying he deserves to be let off for it.
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
No, I am denying he committed fraud.
If the driver's license which is the motor voter record of law of residency listed that as his address and he only voted ONCE, I don't see that as fraud.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ageofmasteryFeb 5, 2012
So you're saying it's not a crime if a right winger does it.
Thank you for admitting you think you're above the law.
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
No, I'm saying even if a left-winger did it I wouldn't consider these circumstances "fraud".
But thank you for admitting that you're a hypocrite.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gianpoFeb 5, 2012
You do know it was a republican that brought charges against him right.
asrrin29Feb 5, 2012
So WAIT! Let me get this straight. Republicans have been HOUNDING democrats for YEARS about passing voter suppression laws in the name of "voter fraud", and a REPUBLICAN is the one that gets caught!?
COLOR ME f**kING SHOCKED.
SPATIALGUYFeb 5, 2012
Yea, its exactly like the GOP's Anti Gay preaching... they get up to the mic and spew nasty and hateful things, then these homophobes are shafting each other and the Page Boy in the back hall closet.
Typical GOP
leonard2Feb 5, 2012
Typical collectivist nut-job libtards. One person does something wrong and everyone in their party immediately becomes guilty of the same thing.
It's funny how you libtarded whack-jobs are too stupid to see that the Democrooks are every bit as corrupt.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
SPATIALGUYFeb 5, 2012
Ahem.. We don't preach to our base about moral and ethical religious righteousness,
While at the same time... as you said "are every bit as corrupt"
There is a big difference.
ThinkForYourselfFeb 5, 2012
And herein lies the source of much of the hate against conservatives. We ask not just our base but everyone to make the right moral and ethical decisions. Not everyone wants to be moral and ethical. Fair enough. But understand that, even though many conservatives may try to live moral and ethical lives, humans will always have their weaknesses and some conservatives don't even try to be moral or ethical (i.e. politicians.) But many conservatives do try to live good honest lives and treat others as they would like to be treated and I think the world is a better place for it. Most politicians who "preach to their base" are just saying what they think we want to hear.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
He did it to keep a job he wasn't entitled to. Not to change an election. He voted ONE TIME.
Now here's some real voter fraud.
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jpurdyFeb 5, 2012
Why are you shocked? It's normal right wing behavior.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
He voted one time.
novenatorFeb 5, 2012
I guess the right wing has been so busy trying to find evidence of voter fraud that they decided to manufacture the evidence themselves!
johnnysoftwareFeb 5, 2012
=> evidence [out of] themselves
sbuckley00Feb 5, 2012
You damn well know that right wing people have grandiose delusions. Thus they are not manufacturing evidence per se; as they actually believe the dribble that comes out of their mouths. :-P
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
Says the guy who believes illegal immigrants should have the right to vote anywhere they want because it infringes on their rights...
Hypocrite much?
jpurdyFeb 5, 2012
That sounds like the stories right wing fanatics spread about Mexican bus loads of illegals showing up at polling places in Texas.
So called "poll watchers" from the extemist Kingstreet Patriots in Houston may be going to jail for interfering with voters.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here it is, lefty.
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
CrescentSkies_2Feb 5, 2012
This is happening so often recently I've stopped being surprised.
rattelerFeb 5, 2012
Shame on the people of Indianapolis. Don' they know rules are for poor people and Democrats. Pffffft... the NERVE. Enforcing the law on a Republican.
karmashockFeb 5, 2012
Are you really going to try and make this a republican versus democrat thing... Come now, cupcake.
Which party had a politician storing bribe money in his freezer?
Which party tried to outright SELL a senate seat?
In any case, I can only assume this means you support enhanced protections against voter fraud, right?
I mean, how are you going to stop the "evil nazi demon worshiping space alien" republicans from stealing elections if you don't have voter ID laws or some kind of auditing of the voter rolls?
I don't know what your personal position is on that issue, but most of your DNC peers seem to think that's a bad idea for some reason.
Which my peers have concluded can only mean you're involved in massive voter fraud or somehow see voter fraud as in your interest. I know you're going to protest that... but honestly, what other conclusions can we draw if you're opposed to any discussion of reform on the issue? It's something of a smoking gun.
ageofmasteryFeb 5, 2012
Cupcake? Have you been taking trolling lessons from alanocu, or are you a sock puppet?
linuxpersonFeb 5, 2012
He made some valid points, you read the first sentence.
Who is the troll kid?
karmashockFeb 5, 2012
Sunshine, I'm doing my best to avoid being overtly insulting by keeping my comments at worst condescending. The justification for that condescension is evident in my previous post.
Say stupid things and be treated as if you're simple. Act like a naive child and be treated as such.
If you're prepared to have an adult conversation on the issue then others might recognize you as such.
Till then, have yourself a cookie and go play outside.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rastas11Feb 5, 2012
Your words and actions have the weight of a frog fart.
asrrin29Feb 5, 2012
No, we don't need enhanced voter fraud laws, because the ones we have WORKED TO CATCH THIS CRIMINAL. Why beef up something that is already working?
samthurstonFeb 5, 2012
"Which my peers have concluded can only mean you're involved in massive voter fraud"
Except that's irrational on its face. Voting twice, or non-citizens voting when they shouldn't be is incredibly easy to detect. Any sort of orchestrated attempt to do this on the large scale would almost certainly result in a LOT of felony convictions. Seems hardly worth the time.
No in fact, election experts agree that elections around the world are typically stolen by disenfranchisement.
"what other conclusions can we draw"
If you weigh the consequences of an extra vote cast which can be expunged from the count on verification, vs legitimate lost votes by eligible voters, you can see why there's little room for negotiation.
If you want to come up with a solution that isn't proven to disenfranchise low income, elderly and minority voters, i'm totally open to that. You got any?
How about any evidence whatsoever that there's a problem with voter fraud using the method of individual voters impersonating other voters.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Easy to detect? Is it?
Here's a partial list of some REAL voter fraud.
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gaia242Feb 6, 2012
THANK YOU kasha34 for giving me an opportunity to post this one again:
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
John Stuart Mill
Born: May 20, 1806
Died: May 8, 1873
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
And how does that invalidate these factual news stories of despicable Democrats forging votes?
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
So, to question how detectable it is, you show me a list of cases that were detected...
I guess the answer is yes, it is easy to detect. Any more questions?
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
You didn't even read the first story did you?
"A local Florida station invented an unprecedented way to check for voter fraud: jury excusal forms"
Seems obvious but apparently no one ever bothered to compare jury excuse " I'm not a citizen"
and wonder why these non citizens were showing up on voter rolls.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
karmashockFeb 6, 2012
http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/nbc2_investigates_voter_fraud
It is easy to detect but YOU are refusing to even try.
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
" jury excusal forms"
I did read it, and I think it's clever, but not in a shocking way. Now, how many of those "non-citizens" are really non-citizens?
Anyway yeah it's ridiculous that a "non-citizen" can even get registered to vote. That, however is at the registration level, not the polling level. I am all for any pre-polling or post-polling auditing. This stuff just makes sense.
karmashockFeb 6, 2012
Yet again you close your eyes and then tell me the sun can't be out because you can't see it.
Of course it would be easy to detect IF you opened your eyes. But you won't. You say that because you can't see it with your eyes closed it can't exist.
What we are saying is open your eyes. We agree it will be easy to detect IF there is auditing of the voter rolls. There clearly isn't.
Recently, a news station in Florida found hundreds of illegals voting. How? They cross referenced jury duty excual rolls with voter registration rolls. Those that said they couldn't vote because they weren't US citizens popped up as having voted multiple times.
And that only finds ONE type of fraud which demonstrably IS NOT being audited.
The ID would catch nearly all voter fraud. You don't like that? Give us another EFFECTIVE means of detecting voter fraud. Or your refusal to open your eyes can only mean that you don't want to open them.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gaia242Feb 5, 2012
Finally! Actual identifiable voter fraud. And guess who did it.... the Republican Sec of State in Indiana! What a bunch of crooks the modern Republican party has become. SHAMEFUL
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Voter fraud? One man, one vote.
Now here's the REAL voter fraud. Phony names. Dead people...forged forms...
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gaia242Feb 6, 2012
Dude SERIOUSLY??? So this whackadoodle rightwing website has a hit piece about alleged democratic voter fraud. Maybe you'd like to trot out something by Andrew Brightbart or that O'Sullian creep.
Find something reputable, THEN we'll talk.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Each one of those stories has links to the local media. Try clicking on them. Dude.
Make up a new excuse, lefty.
gaia242Feb 6, 2012
is that the best you got? I mean, this is the best you got. HAHAHAHA
some bat s**t crazy right-tard website. PLEASE MARY!
I'm going to go all Barny Frank on you: Discussing politics with you is like trying to argue with the dinning room table. I have no interest in doing it.
Buh-bye
Closed AccountFeb 6, 2012
Actually, as much as I generally disagree with kasha34, if you follow the links, lo and behold, some Democrats cooking votes. In New York, and they plead guilty.
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Vote-probe-arrests-include-councilmen-2414466.php#ixzz1hE1umPdZ
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/officials-plead-guilty-in-new-york-voter-fraud-case/#ixzz1hE0jMR8E
You may not like Fox News as a source (I certainly don't) but the story is legit.
Please don't be so politically naive to think that this type of thing doesn't happen in every election with both parties.
Now, if you want to get into the real manner in which elections are cooked, and take a look at electronic voting machines, that's where you'll find that these machines have been implemented by Republicans looking to rig elections, certainly looks that way with Diebold, in Florida and in Ohio. Over 50% of the vote is now conducted on electronic or optical scan voting machines with pathetic security and no paper trail.
But as far as cooking votes, yeah, it's a tradition upheld by both political parties.
stevanoskiFeb 6, 2012
An independent thinker, on digg? Now a mutual of mine.
Closed AccountFeb 6, 2012
Well. This IS a development. stevanoski, this is either the greatest troll move ever on Digg, or perhaps there is hope for these boards after all.
Either way, welcome to the Monkeyhouse.
Mark_LincolnFeb 5, 2012
No wonder republicans are so worried about election fraud.
They are who does it.
rixar13Feb 5, 2012
Republican Secretary of State Charlie White has held on to his office for more than a year despite being accused of lying about his address on voter registration forms.
glbernsFeb 5, 2012
Which is why they had to pass that voter ID law so they could keep elections fair and honest! DUH!
emo110Feb 5, 2012
Funny, the Indiana new Voter ID law says nothing about having your correct/current address on it...
http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2401.htm
(just saying..)
glbernsFeb 5, 2012
Someone needs to learn what sarcasm is. They passed the law claiming that it would keep fraud from happening, but no cases of voter impersonation (the only kind of fraud that it would stop) have happened. The overall levels of voter fraud (any kind) are very low. So low that I'll bet that this one person and his 6 counts would make up the majority of all voter fraud cases from that election in question.
The only effect these laws have is to reduce voter turnout by making harder to register and vote.
emo110Feb 6, 2012
Sorry, the "DUH" threw me off... (where's that darn sarcasm font when you need it?)
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
real voter fraud
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
skyislandFeb 5, 2012
I wasn't going to pile on but find in this story a need to document how the party, the right wing-suspect everyone party that cries wolf all the time about election fraud is in fact cause of bites to our democracy being inflicted by sharp teeth using Alec brand wolf tooth paste.
Just so happens says right here on the instructions to spit out lies before consuming saying you are interested in protecting the public from voting fraud while while whitening your teeth by eliminating those dark elements from being present for a refreshing smile that lasts..
I'll pass. Thank you, no Alec tooth paste will be used in my house, the house that is built to last.. Unfortunately I'm a carpenter and don't do brick - but I can get it done.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
Amazing the feigned outrage from some on the left over this, considering the sheer number of Democrats arrested for voter fraud in multiple states:
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
samthurstonFeb 5, 2012
Left, Right, who gives a s**t? A fraud is a fraud.
I'm equally angry with the *convictions* on your list as this guy.... except wait. He's the guy trusted by the public to ENSURE THE VERACITY OF THE ELECTION. That's a little different than some isolated idiots voting twice.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
Absolutely. I only point out the multitude of Democratic convictions and arrest because of prior comments suggesting that Republicans somehow have a lock on it...obviously that's not the case.
But your point that it's particularly egregious given this man's position, is sound.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
No actually you consistently make comments like this.
"Well, if it was a Democrat...blah... blah... blah"
It's very childish, and honestly quite pathetic.
Now, if you would have come out with a statement like samthurston's about fraud being fraud then I would have given you a little credit. Sadly, this is just another example of you being a hypocrite.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
I appreciate your trolling diligence today rodent. But as is obvious from the words I typed before you appeared here (apparently oblivious to the fact that others can read them too).
I conceded not only that "fraud is fraud", but went even further; that this instance of it is "particularly egregious" since he's an election official.
So thanks for dropping by with a personal attack and adding absolutely nothing in terms of a valid point of any kind to it. That's what's pathetic.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
As it is apparent that you actually can't comprehend words that make up a statement, I was referring to how you're a hypocrite.
You attacked me like a whiney bitch when I mentioned to another poster that there is a group of people here that are called the Digg Patriots that will bury any story that come from sites like alternet. You then called me a hypocrite because I according to you I should have mentioned that there are "liberals" that will bury stories coming from sites like foxnews. I actually said that it's pathetic that there are people from both sides that do that, of course because you're intellectually dishonest you ignore what I said because it doesn't fit in with your pathetic smear campaign.
You just did the same exact thing with your original comment where you ignored the Republican and attacked Democrats. When you were called out on your pathetic comment you make a weak attempt to backtrack from your original comment.
You're an intellectually dishonest hypocrite. It's also funny that your name is listed as one of the many tools that are the DP and you vehemently attacked me when I brought up your group in another story. So, get all your pathetic little buddies and sockpuppet accounts to bury my comments. It doesn't change the fact that you're a pathetic, hack tool.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
"You just did the same exact thing with your original comment where you ignored the Republican and attacked Democrats."
Ummm, actually I pointed out that posters on this thread were doing exactly that, only in reverse.
Seriously dude, you're even more cognitively challenged than I first suspected.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
Actually what you're doing is back peddling and you're really bad at it.
Face it tool, you're an intellectually dishonest hypocrite. Attack me all you want, at the end of the day you're nothing more than a hypocrite piece of trash.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherFeb 6, 2012
rodent, sorry but the simple fact is that you've got your panties in a bunch because I called out your hypocrisy and ridiculed you, so you were looking for an opportunity to score some points.
Unfortunately though, you're too stupid to comprehend that you picked a s**tty time to do so, thus embarrassing yourself once again.
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
I think part of the reason for some victory dance from some of us is that we have been saying that voter fraud is more problematic from a systemic standpoint (that is, sabotage by insiders) than it is from a "voter ID" type stance.
Here it comes, proof that there really are people willing to engage in systemic fraud. We've got more evidence in Iowa with a caucus vote tally that will "never be certified."
Our electoral system is damaged in a way that Voter ID will never hope to fix.
atomheartmotherFeb 6, 2012
Whether that's true or not, Voter ID is the right thing to do. That's why the overwhelming number of the American people support it.
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_voter_identification/
It's not the "right thing to do" whether people support it or not. Something is not made right by popular support. That is why our founders saw fit to not set up a direct democracy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherFeb 6, 2012
Although I agree that something is not "made right" solely by virtue of popular support, I think it's tough to hearken back to the founders for wisdom on this issue, since only male land owners were permitted to vote under their leadership.
We have a duty and a responsibility to at the very least make sure that people who vote are legally eligible to do so. Anything less potentially disenfranchises those who are.
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
Well that's an issue of POTENTIAL disenfranchisement versus actual, proved disenfranchisement.
I say if we set up a system that prevents one legal, registered, citizen voter from voting, we've done the wrong thing.
As it stands, having ID isn't a qualification for citizenship and it shouldn't be a qualification for voting either.
If a voter ID law follows the method laid out below, with easy requirements on ID and a provisional ballot option on signature only, I could be comfortable with the idea... I'm still not convinced it addresses an actual problem that exists though.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
atomheartmotherFeb 6, 2012
And I say if we allow a system which allows the negation of even one citizen's legally cast vote, that's a travesty and we've done the wrong thing.
I would however, support an effort to provide funding so that anyone who wishes have one could be provided an ID should they so desire.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
His "fraud" effects ONE VOTE.
One. Vote. It's not to effect an election.
One. vote.
killersquirelFeb 6, 2012
It's still fraud. Period.
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
" It's not to effect an election."
Point is there are two types of people who seek the office of Election Official. 1) Bean-counting civic-minded auditor types who are interested in preserving the veracity of our electoral system, and 2) political operatives that want to use the position to sway an outcome.
This guys is clearly not the sort of person obsessed with detail.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
And as I've said...go ahead and fry him. Fire him. Whatever the law requires.
But stop pretending it's some vote fraud scheme. I've showed you genuine vote fraud.
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
samthurstonFeb 6, 2012
" I've showed you genuine vote fraud."
To the point where any reasonable person would take your repeated posting of this link as blogspam.
"But stop pretending it's some vote fraud scheme"
When the person who is in charge of making sure everyone fills out the forms right fails to fill out the forms right, it's a big deal.
The point I keep trying to make is that the MUCH BIGGER THREAT to our democracy and voting rights is from bad actors within the system, then from individuals voting a handful of extra times with dead people's names, or illegal aliens voting.
*One* legitimate, legal, citizen unable to vote is terrible. Now, if the election chief can't manage to fill out the paperwork we already have correctly, (and his argument was that it was all an honest mistake due to complicated home life) then how are we supposed to expect ordinary working-class citizens to be able to cast legitimate votes if we ADD to that existing burden?
kingnovaFeb 5, 2012
Amazing your deflection considering the sheer number of Republicans convicted of voter fraud. But then, that bubble of yours has to stay fact free:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChllDGERjaQ
Quick example. Hard to grab all of them when a Republican ELECTION CHIEF is found guilty. You know, not your average citizen, but the guy in charge?
And, of course, instead of saying all fraud is bad, you have to blather about Democrats and close your eyes.
Teenagers tend to act that way.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
Look, another idiotic "my dick's bigger than your dick" comment from the angry leech. Big surprise there.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
And your comments are different, how?
Keep trying hypocrite, you still wind up looking as pathetic as you always do.
atomheartmotherFeb 5, 2012
Different from whose, exactly? Yours? Significantly so, I'd say. Particularly in the sense that they're not ostensibly scrawled by a part-time Pre-K truant.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
Yes, your comments are significantly different from mine. You're an intellectually dishonest hypocrite.
That's very different from me.
jpurdyFeb 5, 2012
This really is a sad story. The poor doofus lost his job over minor stupidity. Serious corruption goes on unchecked.
Closed AccountFeb 5, 2012
Bit overblown, don't you think?
I'm not saying the guy's a hero, but felony charges seem harsh.
Regardless, the headline makes it sound like he rigged an election.
Trolling for Dollars, anyone?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rastas11Feb 5, 2012
When they nothing else to work with they have to grab onto anything they can.
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
You know that well. I see it in your posts constantly here on digg.
rastas11Feb 5, 2012
Read them, heal thyself
killersquirelFeb 5, 2012
"Read them, heal thyself"
Keep the misinformation/disinformation going. You're a good little tool.
rastas11Feb 5, 2012
I think the parrots are depressed, they are pecking like crazy.
tiskelFeb 5, 2012
Yes, felony charges are a bit much. For everyone. Not just the state Election Chief.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here's some genuine voter fraud
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
FrankLuskaFeb 4, 2012
Oh No!, but i though, by all the comments here on Digg that there was no such thing, voter fraud did not exist, but I'll be dog gone, there really is voter fraud at all levels.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skywiseFeb 4, 2012
Voting residency means whatever the wing nut progressives want it to mean. If you're an illegal immigrant or a progressive, you have the right to vote anywhere you want at any time because voting needs to be accessible to all and as many times as you need to. The motor voter laws say you can vote whereever your drivers license says that's where you live at...
Unless you're a conservative... then you have to vote where you're not registered to vote, even if your drivers license says you that's where you live at...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bluenose2Feb 4, 2012
So the Republicans keep telling us !
/s
johnnysoftwareFeb 5, 2012
telling => showing
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here it is, lefty:
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
breadfredFeb 6, 2012
You seem to be a very black and white person. Issues are never that. There are gray areas. Stop using 'lefty' as an insult. It does not suit you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
This issue is black and white.
For months, the lefty/Democrats have been insisting that voter fraud is imaginary. They've been calling Republicans RACIST for even mentioning voter fraud.
I just posted a list of several very serious voter frauds involving voting under multiple names and forging ballots , all by Democrats.
That *proves* that voter fraud is real. Black and white.
It proves that blocking voter fraud is NOT racism. Black and white.
Can you deal with that, lefty?
cosmicsurferFeb 4, 2012
Voter Fraud makes up approximately.00004 - .0009% of all elections. Most of us have never said it did not exist - we stated that is is negligible at best pursuant to the statistics.
Nice spin, by the way.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
http://www.minnpost.com/community_voices/2009/02/09/6398/the_myth_of_voter_fraud
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here it is, liar.
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
markglFeb 6, 2012
According to the left there is no such thing as vote fraud. That is why we don't need ID's to vote.
skywiseFeb 4, 2012
Uh-huh... Guilty of voting at his old polling place where he had registered, voted and lived for years (and still had legal residency at) instead of the one 10 miles away where he lived with his mistress for the previous year.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sabz5150Feb 5, 2012
And the other five felonies he was found guilty of?
skywiseFeb 5, 2012
All 5 "felonies" were counts based upon the above listed "facts" brought forth by a political witch hunt to gain control of the office of the secretary of state before the Presidential election.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gaia242Feb 5, 2012
....by Republican special prosecutor John Dowd????? You Donkey Punchers are so full of s**t its coming out ur ears!
sabz5150Feb 5, 2012
What he did was illegal and felonious.
When you are an elections chief, head of a voter registration organization or ANY job dealing with elections, it is generally THE LAW that your own voting info be in 100% order.
Look at Young Political Majors... same story. Jacoby was the guy's name.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Stop pretending. This didn't effect any elections. He voted ONCE.
sabz5150Feb 6, 2012
So if *I* were to commit voter fraud, that doesn't matter because its only one vote... is that what you are telling me right now?
Or is this just more rightwing lockstep asshattery?
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
What I'm telling you is that one man gets one vote.
He voted once. Under his real name.
Fry him for not re-registering in the correct district. And for doing it to keep his job. But to pretend it's going to change an election is silly.
Here's the real voter fraud:
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
lpezzFeb 5, 2012
He also served in an office for a location in which he did not reside. He's dirty, period.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
And he voted once.
lpezzFeb 6, 2012
He served as an ELECTED official in an area in which he no longer resided.
So, when people point out that "voter fraud", preventable by id laws is essentially nonexistent, you realize how dumb they are, right? I mean, if we're speaking from a quantitative perspective.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Fry him for not re-registering in the correct district. And for lying to keep his job.
breadfredFeb 5, 2012
OK, let me get this straight. You defend this guys' actions, although he has been CONVICTED of voter fraud. He is a republican, the republican party that hold family values in high regard - at least, that is the image they try to portray in the press. You tell me he lives with his mistress - how does that fir in with family values?
I digress. Really, why DO you defend someone from your own team who is a convicted liar and cheat? If anyone from MY team would do that, I'd make sure he gets out of my team as any association with criminals such as him only reflect bad on my party and would encourage others like him to commit further crimes.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Nobody is defending him. We're just not going to accept the phony line that what he did effected any elections.
He voted once. ONCE.
The purpose and the effect was for him to keep a job he wasn't entitled to.
It didn't change an election.
Wanna see genuine election fraud?
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gaia242Feb 6, 2012
BEEP BEEP BEEP This just in over the wire:
whackadoodle rightwing website claims democratic voter fraud.
In other news the sun rose and set today just as expected. Stay toned for further developments.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Each one of these stories has a link to the original local media.
So you're lying. Lefties lie.
That's what they do.
Will any of you lefty/lib/progressive/looters at least pretend to be shocked about these blatant and disgusting voter fraud stories?
Are ANY of you honest enough to say, "Hey, I guess there IS something to this voter fraud after all."?? Anyone?
Ferris? Bueller?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
killersquirelFeb 6, 2012
Actually, I sat up and said that we aught to be looking really hard at the Republican party after this story. Thanks Kasha for pointing that out to everyone here.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
What? Is this backwards Day? You read a series of articles about genuine voter fraud by Democrats and thought "We'd better keep an eye on those Republicans"?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here's REAL voter fraud, assh**es
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud
ageofmasteryFeb 6, 2012
How many times you gonna spam your submission dude?
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
How many times? How many times have I seen you lefty/lib/progressive/looters claiming that there is not voter fraud?
kasha34Feb 5, 2012
Q: How many votes were defrauded?
A: One. Just his personal vote.
sabz5150Feb 5, 2012
Fraud is fraud, is it not?
Its even worse when you are an **ELECTION CHIEF** and you PERSONALLY commit fraud.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Oh, I agree. His fraud was to illegally qualify for his job.
But let's not pretend his one vote effects any elections.
sabz5150Feb 6, 2012
And that's where it all begins.
"Oh, its only one vote... who cares?"
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Did you look at the list of voter fraud involving voting under multiple names and forging ballots? All by Democrats?
What do you think of that?
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Oh, I'm not saying don't punish him.
But it didn't effect any elections. He voted once. Now if you want to see genuine voter fraud
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraudComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
glbernsFeb 5, 2012
They passed their voter ID law because like 20 voter fraud cases in the past 10 years were found.
kasha34Feb 6, 2012
Here's some real voter fraud
http://digg.com/news/politics/voter_fraud_is_real_democrats_arrested_and_or_convicted_of_voter_fraud