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umairsandhuibaSep 11, 2010
America was for the freedom of all religions and speech ... at the same time americans were known for their respect for everyone ... i miss my America
sexyteenagerSep 12, 2010
America IS for the freedom of all religions and speech... do not mourn the passing of this great nation yet.... the current mob thought is still a hold out of Bush era fear and will die down.
siratalmustaqemSep 12, 2010
The American Constitution should take priority over peoples feelings. People do rash things because of emotional reaction. Take sometime to think before reacting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJg4N-4m-I
oriondrSep 12, 2010
As long as the GOVERNMENT isnt standing in the way of the mosque's construction, there is nothing wrong with PEACEFUL protesting of the mosque's construction.
Just because you have the right to believe what you want doesn't mean other people don't have the right to deride you for your quaint beliefs.
assumethefetalSep 12, 2010
Yeah man no one is stopping bigots from peacefully announcing that they are bigots. Its just a shame they exist.
oriondrSep 13, 2010
There's nothing bigoted about despising a bigoted faith which treats women at best like children, and at worst like property, which executes homosexuals for being homosexual.
Just like there's nothing bigoted about despising a faith which, as a matter of course, rapes children, then systematically covers up the rape.
Hate the faith, not the people.
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
asumethefetal...yes...protesters are bigots except when YOU agree with the mesage. because everything you beleive is inherently right. What a dumb ass piece of s**t you are. YOU are what is wrong...not with America, but with humanity.
boulderbumSep 13, 2010
In America, freedoms need to be balanced by respect for others, and sometimes you compromise even when you disagree.
Move the mosque/community center. Not a big deal.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
deathweaver108Sep 13, 2010
or they could not move and you could be the one to compromise
boulderbumSep 13, 2010
Where's the compromise there?
arpadSep 12, 2010
Oh get over yourself. The fact that a hypocritical propaganda-purveyor like Moore is, or at least claims to be, upset is proof that America is just fine.
The America you claim to miss is the America in which you could impose your opinions on those you despise. Sorry you missed the Ku Klux Klan's highpoint but you can still join the political party that was so intertwined with the Klan, the Democratic Party.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lukychmzSep 13, 2010
I see many people think like you...no wait
ultar6Sep 13, 2010
The Klanster Dixiecrats jumped ship in the 50's and 60's. The GOP welcomed them with open arms. The Dem party after that, with JFK and RFK leading the charge, despised the southern racist dogma and has ever since. Do you really think the south usually votes GOP today because the GOP is the shining example of racial tolerance?
john5434Sep 12, 2010
"Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
There are thousands of verses and sayings urging Muslims to kill the infidels and take control of the Infidel lands. They are in every chapter of the Qur'an, not isolated to one section. The amount of hate is overwhelming, here are but a very few...
Qur’an 9:123: "murder them and treat them harshly"
Qur’an 4.89: "seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
Qur’an 5:51: "Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people."
Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them"
Qur’an 2:191: "...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them"
Qur’an 2:193: "And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah"
Qur’an 8:55: "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve."
Qur’an 8:58: "If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape."
Qur’an 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jonp63Sep 12, 2010
Please don't concern these liberals with facts. They will only bury you.
john5434Sep 12, 2010
LOL. Buried constantly and the funny thing is that I am a liberal. This is an issue that crosses all political boundaries.
tripmoon2Sep 13, 2010
That is the true nature of being liberal: we will not all agree in lock-step robotic fashion. We each have an opinion and not only discuss our viewpoints, but we LISTEN to each other's viewpoints and consider them. I can imagine that your life experiences have led you on this path, and that makes me curious as to why. If you enlighten me, I may change my mind. Good luck getting an ear from a conservative: usually they are 100% sure they are correct, especially because the bible told them so(or the GOP).
I have met Muslims in my life, and find them to be very normal people like any American. They have no interest in the fanatical spectrum of their faith. Just as a Christian would ignore or condemn the religious Christian fanatics who advocate violence. When a Christian bombs an abortion clinic, are all Christians for that act? Is the act condemned usually by the faith? Perhaps the Muslims do not condemn the violent acts of their lunatic members loudly enough for some people. Either way, I have not yet met one of those lunatics. The bible has some pretty violent and lunatic messages as well, in particular in the Old Testament. The Manifest Destiny concept used god and Christianity to justify the genocide of American Indians. Do you agree with these actions? If they were happening today, would you be on-board for it? We were the monsters for the American Indian people, and we came to their land, they did not come here. I am as willing as the next guy to protect our land from violence and invasion, but I will not destroy what this country represents, the heart of the United States, through fear. If we are afraid, then we are weak. That is why Muslim countries are so violent: they are weaker than us and afraid of us. We should stand strong and recognize how that is our country's strength. We are number one for this reason. Never forget that.
ofoarheffinsakeSep 12, 2010
Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
So I guess you're against Christian churches and/or community centers anywhere near Ground Zero too, right?
jonp63Sep 12, 2010
Defend the Muslims all you want. They would not think twice about cutting off your head with a dull knife. The passage above was intended for the nation of Israel because it was a Theocracy. Christ came to fulfill the law because we could not. We are no longer under that Law.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
opant1234Sep 12, 2010
I personally think that all religion should not exist and it pains me to agree with anything with Marx but religion is the opiate of the masses and the more intelligent we as a species get the more it will fade away (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence) Let people do what they want, but and I cant remember who said it but it isn't my thought. "The fact that they will be allowed to build it says something about america, the fact that they will build it says everything about Islam"
danbarkerSep 12, 2010
I am not any political stand point (in the US, nor anywhere really) and know that the same(ish) things are said in the bible.
jimv1983Sep 12, 2010
The Bible is just as hatful towards non-believers and as violent as the Koran is
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. -Exodus 22:19
You must kill those who worship another god. -Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. -Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. -Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. -Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. -Mark 6:11
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. -Leviticus 20:13
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. -Chronicles 15:12-13
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. -Deuteronomy 22:20-21
I'm not defending either one. All religion is ridiculous. This is America everyone should still be able to practicer their religion peacefully.
menorskiSep 13, 2010
First Mark 6:11 says this from the NIV: "And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them."
I don't know what translation you got that verse from. I'd like to know please.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mar...
Second nearly all of the verses you site are in the Old Testament which was purely written with regards to the Jew's as they journeyed to the promised land from Egypt. As God's chosen people he had them abide by certain Laws. In the case of the Old testament God made the Jew's abide by rules that would otherwise harm society. God revealed himself literally to Moses in a burning bush. If you dont believe in God Im sure you think its just a made up story. But i'm giving you the context anyway so it makes more sense. The Old Testament wasn't written to be abided by all people . This was meant only for the Jews in this time before the coming of Christ. While the Jews were God's chosen people the coming of Christ marked its revelation to all the world. Thus began Christianity.
Matthew 22:36 -Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.
Mathew 5:43 3"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies
This verse is essentially the New Testament in a nutshell.
menorskiSep 13, 2010
I should also clarify this doesn't mean that the Old testament is null and void. I didn't mean that the Old testament should be ignored. 10 Commandments and such are still followed. Many of the laws in Deuteronomy, and Leviticus with regards to sacrafices included really only related to the Jews in that time period. Most of the Old Testament is told more like story with regard to creation, and prophesies of Jesus coming etc.
daimposterSep 13, 2010
@menoriski: so first you state that the verses don't apply to christians then you state that not all the old testatment is null and void? cherry pick much??
tripmoon2Sep 13, 2010
@menorski: Also, where is the love for our enemies in allowing our them to build a mosque legally in the United States? Where is the love?
flowmanSep 12, 2010
This is not a FREEDOM OF RELIGION issue! The government is not telling this Imam that he can't build the Mosque. All the opposition to this comes from PRIVATE CITIZENS.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
krissamSep 12, 2010
Also, freedom of religion does not mean equal rights for all religions.
frostekSep 12, 2010
So freedom of speech means...?
ultar6Sep 13, 2010
Ummm...yes it does. You are an idiot.
davidsunddsSep 13, 2010
Of course it does. There's no addendum or fine print.
technopunditSep 12, 2010
YOUR America???
eraptorSep 12, 2010
Asking a Church/Mosque/Temple leader to move their place of worship is NOT an infringement upon their Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion UNLESS they are prohibited from building it elsewhere. Since this has NEVER been proposed by MOST Ground Zero mosque opponents (ignoring the crazies), the hysterical accusations of religious infringement in America are baseless.
Just out of curiosity, where is the Islamic outrage after Christians in Indonesia were recently attacked, stabbed and killed based upon rumors ALONE? This double standard of intolerance isn't lost on most Americans and, yet, American Muslims and the PC worry about American Islamaphobia? It appears that intolerance isn't limited to America as some assume.
"People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cutlerchrisSep 13, 2010
I totally agree with you. It's a local zoning issue, nothing more. But wait, the local zoning commission has given them the permission to build there. So what other reason is there to not allow them to build there?
eraptorSep 13, 2010
You're wrong, this is FAR more than a local zoning issue. Ground Zero has become not only a national, but global symbol. As such, ANY construction in the area should be scrutinized before approval.
Although I support the Cordoba House mission, I recognize the political ramifications of ignoring significant public opposition to its construction at Ground Zero. But, by all means, ignore the American public and support its construction. Then, sit back, and watch the political blowback that results from this ill conceived action. It won't be pretty and the people MOST responsible will be those who ignored the danger.
ultar6Sep 13, 2010
So if they are told to build their mosque somewhere in the farthest reaches of Alaska, that's cool with you?
It doesn't matter what happens in other countries. The U.S. is supposed to be a shining beacon. If you think that the U.S. should be only as tolerant toward Islam as other countries are toward Christianity, then you have already walked away from the ideology that defines America.
And if that's what you've done, then you can go f**k yourself.
eraptorSep 13, 2010
Nothing like a straw man argument, huh?
As for what happens in other countries, religious faiths do not exist in a mutually exclusive vacuum. Radical muslims damage GLOBAL perceptions of all Muslims every time they attack people in the name of Islam. That's the simple truth of the situation around the WORLD (NOT just in the U.S.), whether Muslims wish to recognize it or not.
Having said this, I'm fully supportive of the U.S. being a "shining beacon", but not to the extent it's exploited by ANY self-serving, hypocritical special interest group.
For the record, I NEVER suggested the U.S. adopt intolerance as YOU'RE ASSUMING, I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy involved. Christians, Jews, Hindus and other religions DESERVE AS MUCH respect and consideration in the Islamic world as Muslims do everywhere else (INCLUDING the U.S.). It's based on a little concept called "Justice for ALL". You know, one of the founding principles of the U.S.
By the way, asking an Imam to move the construction of a PROPOSED mosque does NOT equate to intolerance unless he's FORBIDDEN from constructing it in a more suitable site WITHIN NEW YORK CITY (is that sufficiently clear to address your hysterical assumptions).
Way to show ideological "tolerance" and ignorance towards differing views, by the way. You're a class act.
jimv1983Sep 18, 2010
I don't understand why Muslims are being punished because of what a few extremest did.
spypiratesSep 12, 2010
I'm one of the few who respects Moore in his opinions, but I don't completely agree with his first few statements.
For one, the actual Ground Zero should either be home to a museum or a monument that memorializes what happened there, not a community center.
For another, I don't think the end result of this drama is a litmus test of our democracy. Living in a democracy should not mean people can go around doing whatever they want without being accountable to the public. The builders have every responsibility, in my eyes, to hear out the (educated segments of the) public and listen to alternatives that result in a solution that works out for everyone. Should no agreement be reached, so be it, build the center. But I think one simply has to make room for the possibility of an agreement being reached between the community center builders and the (non-bigoted) public.
His 10 bullet points don't really contradict anything I've said, and I agree with them. But wtf was up with the shot to Methodists? :-p
My Methodist church (in Texas) is the source of the most liberal religious teachings I've ever been exposed to.
cawpinSep 12, 2010
F**K MICHAEL MOORE.
caca123Sep 13, 2010
.͍͍̻͑ͥͥ̈ͣ͗͂͐̇͛̂̾ͧ͂̀́̚͟͞͡.̵̨͕̺̳͓͖̼͎̤̙͈̓́̒̔̎̉ͫ͛̎̇ͨ̓͝ͅ.̶̡͙͎͙͚̀ͭ̔̎̕̕͝ͅ.̴̶̥̭̞̮͈͇͓̠̙̭̖̳̜̘͓̲̹͋͑̽͒ͤ͗̄͌ͥͩ̈͜͢͟ͅͅ.̘͙̝̞̭͎͕̯͙̫̺̣̫ͦ͊͊̏͗͟͜͝.̸̵̶̢͚̗̭̟̭̩͚̩̠̠̲̯̖͍͓͍͚̈́̏͑̌͋̊̈͛ͬ͂̍̃͜ͅ.̸̔̎̈̒̂́ͭͤ̒͛̋̚͏̴͕̙̮̝͙̱̬̪.̎͛ͮ̎͏̵̧̜͚͉̙̼͍̻͕͢͠ͅͅ.̣̩̭̮͕̼̰͓̣̳̓́̆ͭ͌͒̾͂̃̑̒͋ͪ̑͌̚͝ͅ.̴͖̹̻̼̮̙̫͚̗̈́ͬ̑̒̒͗̍ͮ͟͞.ͦ̊ͩ͛̔͊͐́̋̎͆͑͌̎͏̶͈̪̻̺.̷̧̞̹̠̙̮̩̰̟̗̖̘̦͖͇ͨͪ͂͑̿̄̀ͫͮ̆̉͂ͬ́̚͢͢ͅ.̓ͮͪͨ̐̋̍͛ͩͪ̎̄̇͏̵̸̼̣̗̫̥̻͇͍̖͙͎̠̲͔̞͢ͅ.ͣ̋̅͊͒̚҉͓̭̩̫̰̻̼.̶̶̧͇͔̦͗͑̍̍ͫ͠ͅ.̢̠͇̣̲͕͇̝̝ͪ͊ͣ̈́̌ͫ͛ͦͬ͑ͨ͐͒̓͋̀̚̕.̲̳̖͖̘̙̦̼̪̞͚̄̃ͫ̏ͭ̔̒̈ͯ͋ͫ̉̇͟͝͞ͅ.̶̨ͪ͗̅̑̉͊̓͆̓̚͢҉̹̠̱̦͇̝̭̜̻̰̥̮̺̙͖̹̖̻̤.̝̪͈̫͈̺̩̪͔̮͍̮̬̘̗̺͑̈́͐̈͒̊̋̈̄̽̂͛̓́͘͞.̨̢ͩ̏̈̌ͤ́̓ͦͥ̏̾̈́͒҉̴̳̫͔̼͖̦͖̺̙̣̫͙͍.̶̡̪̙̗̣̖̜̰̱̽͊̈́̓͒͌ͩ͛ͫ̈͋̅͠.̮̭͚͕̦̗̯̖͖͈̳̦͕̤̊̊͆͒̏̎̄͑͗́̕.̷̭̦͕͈̝͎̥̙̗̟͉̮̝͖̜͖̼̺ͮͮ͒̑̅̌̋ͩ͟.̧̱̪̙̻̝͔ͥ̆̂̆ͣ̏͌ͣ̑͗́ͭͤ͋́͡.̦͔͍͍̬̮͎͖͕̲͙̗̠̫̓̍̓̾̋̐ͩ̋͆ͭ̈́̈́́̇̿͆͢͢͞͡͠ͅͅ.̂̐ͮͧ̌̾ͩ͗҉̨͟͏̳̼̤̬̖̘͈̝̟͔̭͍.̵̸̠̥̹͚͈̠̥͔̖̞̝͖͙͚̩̪̱̫̓͋̇̔̏̓̒ͮͧ͐͢.̶̹͕̙̺̣͓̥̤̭̦̆͗ͪͫͣͧ̐ͨͫ̌̾̀.̨̛̼̫̗͍͙͍͈̉ͧ͆̓̓͌̋͌ͩ͂̏͒̈ͤ͗͟.̪̥̪̖͕̜̝̬͎̣͍͒̃̈́̇͂͗ͩ̇̃̓̀́͜.̢̛͈̻͚̰̲̫͍̳͎͔̠̫͓͈͙̞̈́̍̉ͪ̏́̌ͯͭ͊̂ͪ̑̒ͦͩͯ̂͒͟ͅ.̛͕̻̼̣̹͇͉͇͈͋͗̄ͭ͂ͤ̚͘͡.̸̦̬̹̝̻̫͔̤̤͕̤̘̣̠̖̮̔ͣ̓͞ͅ.̣̫̘͖͉̱̣͔̟̯̦ͩͤ͋͌ͭ̈̍̾̀͠ͅ.̤͓͔͇͎ͬ̅ͧ̇͊̓͐́͊̇̈́̃̏́͜.̃̽ͩ̈́̓̚͢͏̬͓͕̮͉͉͍͓̟̮̥̠̀͡.̞͈̥̠̫̥͉̞̥̈́̇͛͛ͫͩͤͦ̿̏͘ͅͅ.̷͗͗̌͗͑̓ͨ̿̑́͡҉̵͕̞̖̦͇̗̰̼͔.̡̧͎͎̰̠̲̩͉̠̯̗̙̳̫̻̍̓͌͂̃̓ͪͨ̂̑͊̕.̴̙̖̻̘̭̠̜̗͕̬͖͈̪͈͋͛ͥ͛̑̑͛͗ͪ͢͢.͆ͮ͂̋̌̏̄͗̚҉͙̲͈̦͉̥͖̻̣̲͎̦̹͢.̠͍̘̥̲͚͍̯̝̲̺̖̦̫̟ͭ̊͊̋͋́͗̎ͯͤ͘͢.̾̽͌ͭͯͮ͏̶̵͓̰̹̩̪͍̘̱̼͈̗̙̮̟̤̼̖́ͅͅ.̴̶̶̧̨͕͍̠͒̐͆̆́ͫ͐́́.̶̼̫̣͎̪̺͈̥̣̩̯̤͚̿͒̇ͮ̔͝ͅ.̐͗̃̐̆̂̌͌͐̈͘͏͏̨҉̟̼̰̹̼͖͖̩ͅ.̴̡̡͚̜̩̦̒̏ͬ̉́̾ͦͨ̒.̨̻̟̲̜̞̯̻͖͚̫̬̭͈̦̮ͪ̅ͬ̓͌͆̌̈́̄͑̀̒̂̊͒̓ͥ͆̚͢͠.̽ͩ̿ͨͦͥ̄̃ͫͣ͌̈́̉͐ͤ̈́̚҉̧̛̰͈͕͉̭̩̪̫.ͮ̈́̎ͭ̔̆̾҉̶̢̺̼͍̝̰̼̻͍̭̼̮͈.̸́ͧ̉̍̋ͦ̓̄̊̅ͤ̎̇͐̚͏͓̪̲̫̣̜̪̮̯͚͙̭̫̪͡.̢̡͓̝̲̥̖̩̥̬̙̣̤̾̉ͨͨ͌͌̓͑͘͞͡.̛͚͓̼̤̠̼̤̔ͫ̆̄ͥ͂.̸̰͉̣̳̠̣̞͍͖̣͍̠̭̫̺͍͙̊ͫ̆̊͊̐̆ͣ͂̍̄̀ͫͨ̉́̚.̷̫̹͚̏ͭ͑͗͆ͤͤ͛͊ͪ͆ͨ̀͘..͍͍̻͑ͥͥ̈ͣ͗͂͐̇͛̂̾ͧ͂̀́̚͟͞͡.̵̨͕̺̳͓͖̼͎̤̙͈̓́̒̔̎̉ͫ͛̎̇ͨ̓͝ͅ.̶̡͙͎͙͚̀ͭ̔̎̕̕͝ͅ.̴̶̥̭̞̮͈͇͓̠̙̭̖̳̜̘͓̲̹͋͑̽͒ͤ͗̄͌ͥͩ̈͜͢͟ͅͅ.̘͙̝̞̭͎͕̯͙̫̺̣̫ͦ͊͊̏͗͟͜͝.̸̵̶̢͚̗̭̟̭̩͚̩̠̠̲̯̖͍͓͍͚̈́̏͑̌͋̊̈͛ͬ͂̍̃͜ͅ.̸̔̎̈̒̂́ͭͤ̒͛̋̚͏̴͕̙̮̝͙̱̬̪.̎͛ͮ̎͏̵̧̜͚͉̙̼͍̻͕͢͠ͅͅ.̣̩̭̮͕̼̰͓̣̳̓́̆ͭ͌͒̾͂̃̑̒͋ͪ̑͌̚͝ͅ.̴͖̹̻̼̮̙̫͚̗̈́ͬ̑̒̒͗̍ͮ͟͞.ͦ̊ͩ͛̔͊͐́̋̎͆͑͌̎͏̶͈̪̻̺.̷̧̞̹̠̙̮̩̰̟̗̖̘̦͖͇ͨͪ͂͑̿̄̀ͫͮ̆̉͂ͬ́̚͢͢ͅ.̓ͮͪͨ̐̋̍͛ͩͪ̎̄̇͏̵̸̼̣̗̫̥̻͇͍̖͙͎̠̲͔̞͢ͅ.ͣ̋̅͊͒̚҉͓̭̩̫̰̻̼.̶̶̧͇͔̦͗͑̍̍ͫ͠ͅ.̢̠͇̣̲͕͇̝̝ͪ͊ͣ̈́̌ͫ͛ͦͬ͑ͨ͐͒̓͋̀̚̕.̲̳̖͖̘̙̦̼̪̞͚̄̃ͫ̏ͭ̔̒̈ͯ͋ͫ̉̇͟͝͞ͅ.̶̨ͪ͗̅̑̉͊̓͆̓̚͢҉̹̠̱̦͇̝̭̜̻̰̥̮̺̙͖̹̖̻̤.̝̪͈̫͈̺̩̪͔̮͍̮̬̘̗̺͑̈́͐̈͒̊̋̈̄̽̂͛̓́͘͞.̨̢ͩ̏̈̌ͤ́̓ͦͥ̏̾̈́͒҉̴̶̡̳̫͔̼͖̦͖̺̙̣̫͙͍͙͎͙͚̀ͭ̔̎̕̕͝ͅ.̴̶̥̭̞̮͈͇͓̠̙̭̖̳̜̘͓̲̹͋͑̽͒ͤ͗̄͌ͥͩ̈͜͢͟ͅͅ.̘͙̝̞̭͎͕̯͙̫̺̣̫ͦ͊͊̏͗͟͜͝.̸̵̶̢͚̗̭̟̭̩͚̩̠̠̲̯̖͍͓͍͚̈́̏͑̌͋̊̈͛ͬ͂̍̃͜ͅ.̸̔̎̈̒̂́ͭͤ̒͛̋̚͏̴͕̙̮̝͙̱̬̪.̎͛ͮ̎͏̵̧̜͚͉̙̼͍̻͕͢͠ͅͅ.̣̩̭̮͕̼̰͓̣̳̓́̆ͭ͌͒̾͂̃̑̒͋ͪ̑͌̚͝ͅ.̴͖̹̻̼̮̙̫͚̗̈́ͬ̑̒̒͗̍ͮ͟͞.ͦ̊ͩ͛̔͊͐́̋̎͆͑͌̎͏̶͈̪̻̺.̷̧̞̹̠̙̮̩̰̟̗̖̘̦͖͇ͨͪ͂͑̿̄̀ͫͮ̆̉͂ͬ́̚͢͢ͅ.̓ͮͪͨ̐̋̍͛ͩͪ̎̄̇͏̵̸̼̣̗̫̥̻͇͍̖͙͎̠̲͔̞͢ͅ.ͣ̋̅͊͒̚҉͓̭̩̫̰̻̼.̶̶̧͇͔̦͗͑̍̍ͫ͠ͅ.̢̠͇̣̲͕͇̝̝ͪ͊ͣ̈́̌ͫ͛ͦͬ͑ͨ͐͒̓͋̀̚̕.̲̳̖͖̘̙̦̼̪̞͚̄̃ͫ̏ͭ̔̒̈ͯ͋ͫ̉̇͟͝͞ͅ.̶̨ͪ͗̅̑̉͊̓͆̓̚͢҉̹̠̱̦͇̝̭̜̻̰̥̮̺̙͖̹̖̻̤.̝̪͈̫͈̺̩̪͔̮͍̮̬̘̗̺͑̈́͐̈͒̊̋̈̄̽̂͛̓́͘͞.̨̢ͩ̏̈̌ͤ́̓ͦͥ̏̾̈́͒҉̴̳̫͔̼͖̦͖̺̙̣̫͙͍.̶̡̪̙̗̣̖̜̰̱̽͊̈́̓͒͌ͩ͛ͫ̈͋̅͠.̮̭͚͕̦̗̯̖͖͈̳̦͕̤̊̊͆͒̏̎̄͑͗́̕.̷̭̦͕͈̝͎̥̙̗̟͉̮̝͖̜͖̼̺ͮͮ͒̑̅̌̋ͩ͟.̧̱̪̙̻̝͔ͥ̆̂̆ͣ̏͌ͣ̑͗́ͭͤ͋́͡.̦͔͍͍̬̮͎͖͕̲͙̗̠̫̓̍̓̾̋̐ͩ̋͆ͭ̈́̈́́̇̿͆͢͢͞͡͠ͅͅ.̂̐ͮͧ̌̾ͩ͗҉̨͟͏̳̼̤̬̖̘͈̝̟͔̭͍.̵̸̠̥̹͚͈̠̥͔̖̞̝͖͙͚̩̪̱̫̓͋̇̔̏̓̒ͮͧ͐͢.̶̹͕̙̺̣͓̥̤̭̦̆͗ͪͫͣͧ̐ͨͫ̌̾̀.̨̛̼̫̗͍͙͍͈̉ͧ͆̓̓͌̋͌ͩ͂̏͒̈ͤ͗͟.̪̥̪̖͕̜̝̬͎̣͍͒̃̈́̇͂͗ͩ̇̃̓̀́͜.̢̛͈̻͚̰̲̫͍̳͎͔̠̫͓͈͙̞̈́̍̉ͪ̏́̌ͯͭ͊̂ͪ̑̒ͦͩͯ̂͒͟ͅ.̛͕̻̼̣̹͇͉͇͈͋͗̄ͭ͂ͤ̚͘͡.̸̦̬̹̝̻̫͔̤̤͕̤̘̣̠̖̮̔ͣ̓͞ͅ.̣̫̘͖͉̱̣͔̟̯̦ͩͤ͋͌ͭ̈̍̾̀͠ͅ.̤͓͔͇͎ͬ̅ͧ̇͊̓͐́͊̇̈́̃̏́͜.̃̽ͩ̈́̓̚͢͏̬͓͕̮͉͉͍͓̟̮̥̠̀͡.̞͈̥̠̫̥͉̞̥̈́̇͛͛ͫͩͤͦ̿̏͘ͅͅ.̷͗͗̌͗͑̓ͨ̿̑́͡҉̵͕̞̖̦͇̗̰̼͔.̡̧͎͎̰̠̲̩͉̠̯̗̙̳̫̻̍̓͌͂̃̓ͪͨ̂̑͊̕.̴̙̖̻̘̭̠̜̗͕̬͖͈̪͈͋͛ͥ͛̑̑͛͗ͪ͢͢.͆ͮ͂̋̌̏̄͗̚҉͙̲͈̦͉̥͖̻̣̲͎̦̹͢.̠͍̘̥̲͚͍̯̝̲̺̖̦̫̟ͭ̊͊̋͋́͗̎ͯͤ͘͢.̾̽͌ͭͯͮ͏̶̵͓̰̹̩̪͍̘̱̼͈̗̙̮̟̤̼̖́ͅͅ.̴̶̶̧̨͕͍̠͒̐͆̆́ͫ͐́́.̶̼̫̣͎̪̺͈̥̣̩̯̤͚̿͒̇ͮ̔͝ͅ.̐͗̃̐̆̂̌͌͐̈͘͏͏̨҉̟̼̰̹̼͖͖̩ͅ.̴̡̡͚̜̩̦̒̏ͬ̉́̾ͦͨ̒.̨̻̟̲̜̞̯̻͖͚̫̬̭͈̦̮ͪ̅ͬ̓͌͆̌̈́̄͑̀̒̂̊͒̓ͥ͆̚͢͠.̽ͩ̿ͨͦͥ̄̃ͫͣ͌̈́̉͐ͤ̈́̚҉̧̛̰͈͕͉̭̩̪̫.ͮ̈́̎ͭ̔̆̾҉̶̢̺̼͍̝̰̼̻͍̭̼̮͈.̸́ͧ̉̍̋ͦ̓̄̊̅ͤ̎̇͐̚͏͓̪̲̫̣̜̪̮̯͚͙̭̫̪͡.̢̡͓̝̲̥̖̩̥̬̙̣̤̾̉ͨͨ͌͌̓͑͘͞͡.̛͚͓̼̤̠̼̤̔ͫ̆̄ͥ͂.̸̰͉̣̳̠̣̞͍͖̣͍̠̭̫̺͍͙̊ͫ̆̊͊̐̆ͣ͂̍̄̀ͫͨ̉́̚.̷̫̹͚̏ͭ͑͗͆ͤͤ͛͊ͪ͆ͨ̀͘.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
godsbongSep 13, 2010
We all miss our America. Lets steal it back from those fear mongering, un-educated, more then half the population of the US, people causing this problem.. Oh and Faux News.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Stubs3dSep 13, 2010
So I assume you're talking about taking it back from the fear mongers that said if we didn't pass the stimulus bill there would be martial law and our economy would collapse? Take it back from the massive numbers of uneducated border jumpers and high percentage of black and latino dropouts who's votes the left so desperately want? I'm all for that.
opticwindSep 13, 2010
fear-mongering*
uneducated*
than*
Let's*
Oh, and pretty much the entire grammatic syntax was weird in the second sentence.
I'm not chiming in on the political issue, it's just funny to me that you call people uneducated.
h4cker2050Sep 13, 2010
10 on 10!
deathfiredSep 11, 2010
His statement ignores that America is a democracy and that people have a right to vote, voice their opinions, protest...etc. Moore is an idiot if he thinks staying quiet and accepting things is any better than people voicing their rejection and possibly having a religions building's construction halted and moved somewhere else.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chrisvazquez1Sep 12, 2010
You're statement is absolutely correct. Food for thought: is democracy always right? Is socialism always bad? Can a strong ruler rule better than a democracy?
We call it tyranny when a government oppresses. Democracies can have tyranny. The only difference between tyranny of a king to tyranny of a majority is that democracy keeps the highest amount of people happy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for democracy, I just have the intellectual capacity to understand that what the majority believe isn't always right.
So one last question. Is it worse to allow a group of people to build a community center, or to let a majority oppress a minority because of ignorance?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sexyteenagerSep 12, 2010
This is why we have a representative government and not a direct democracy.
chrisvazquez1Sep 12, 2010
True that. History still tells us that republics can still promote tyranny though! =) The only thing I was trying to state is that nothing is perfect. Sometimes things have to be done to promote the greater good. Abraham Lincoln and the 14th Amendment passage for example.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
you wanna know whats wrong with your statement deathfired?
it doesnt matter what the people want when they get in that voting booth if what they want is unconstitutional
danisthSep 12, 2010
democracy means you elect leadership not that everyone gets a say in every decision. Thankfully elected leaders generally have a better understanding of laws and constitutions etc. than the general public.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JNolanSep 12, 2010
The various traitors on the Left are like that, deathfired.
novenatorSep 12, 2010
The concept of American Exceptionalism and all of its proponents will take a huge hit if we do not allow religious freedom.
charlotte_webSep 12, 2010
Liberals don't believe in American Exceptionalism.
jeahSep 12, 2010
That's an over generalization and simplification of the reality (it also serves to further divide the country). Liberals just tend to believe that it takes more than flag waving to earn a sense of accomplishment and pride.
I'm proud to say I live in the US where we are tolerant of all religious views. This a core value that defines American Exceptionalism. It this basic right is eroded by my fellow citizens, certainly American Exceptionalism will erode with it.. and waving that flag will become an empty gesture.
charlotte_webSep 15, 2010
Historically, the concept of American Exceptionalism is based in part on the establishment of America as a Protestant nation. You can redefine it to be something else, but then it wouldn't be American Exceptionalism.
tukaSep 17, 2010
Don't dig charolett down, she(?)'s actually dead on.
Look it up, there's a HUGE difference between an idea that America is Exceptional and "American Exceptionalism".
f**k Jesusmerica and every religious nut or redneck who's done nothing to make this country or their lives better, yet won't hesitate a second to hoist this ridiculous idea to the height of irony.
stuartflattSep 12, 2010
Michael Moore is king of getting in the news. For the most part he makes valid points but generally he is about the controversy and getting himself in the news!!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
wow.. i didnt know getting on digg was "getting in the news"
hmmm whats the source of this article? michaelmoore.com
stanstutteringSep 12, 2010
Go here to see 871 more comments on this story:
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dchvg/michael_moore_if_the_mosque_isnt_built_this_is_no/
chrisvazquez1Sep 12, 2010
I was thinking the same exact thing...I was looking around Reddit because good stories on Digg have been sparse and I saw this article...I really want my old Digg back...We have an article about political correctness and this forum even lacks the DP...
dcjoedogv2Sep 12, 2010
Then go to reddit and leave this site alone, you seem to not like this site so why are you coming back here to promote a "much better" site.
zerobriersSep 12, 2010
Reddit has won.
reposadoSep 12, 2010
Just checked Reddit's comment section.
They seem to have a lot more independent/moderate liberals there instead of the knee-jerk hard liberals on digg.
Reddit>digg.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ldailey06Sep 12, 2010
"Reddit has won" yet you're still here, just gtfo. I'm sure reddit will enjoy your whiny bitching more than we have.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
All your points are solid, Micheal.
erfmanSep 12, 2010
I generally agree with Mike's sentiments here. Freedom of Religion. Private Property. I'm sure Fox news would bitch at least a little if an Atheist think tank or strip club was put there; although I personally would prefer such options instead of a Mosque or a Coat Factory.
technopunditSep 12, 2010
How about a Combination Think Tank/Strip Club?
drunkirishSep 12, 2010
You mean a strip tank?
snapcaseSep 12, 2010
I basically agree with his stance on this non-issue, but in general, Michael Moore is a complete f**king douche.
hipmanSep 12, 2010
Moore has no "cents" whatsoever, but thanks for sharing.
mymindgrapesSep 12, 2010
Does he ever keep his fat mouth shut about anything?
"I am opposed to the building of the "mosque" two blocks from Ground Zero.
I want it built on Ground Zero."
f**k you. I want you to move to Afghanistan. Can you do that?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rantusSep 12, 2010
You're so full of s**t. Yeah, I bet you're a Constitution waver except when it gets in the way of your agenda. Maybe Ground Zero should have been turned into a park, and then they should have built a Church, a Synagogue and a Mosque, along with any other house of worship, on it. Instead we get some other corporate crap instead, but as long as you slap the word "freedom" on it then its all good right? Not to mention that disallowing Muslims to worship freely because it was a bunch of fringe Muslim lunatics that commited the crime is called collective punishment. You know, like when the US invaded Iraq based on lies, and since the US forces were comprised mainly of Christians the sectarian lunatics decided to start massacring all the Christians in Iraq? You know, some thing like that?
Hypocrites, the lot of you right wingers.
JNolanSep 12, 2010
More anti-American lies and mischaracterizations from Moore; that's utterly unsurprising. He makes his living off of attacking any and all things Americans.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rantusSep 12, 2010
What's he lying about? Come on, tell me. If anybody here is a liar then it's you.
john5434Sep 12, 2010
"Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
There are thousands of verses and sayings urging Muslims to kill the infidels and take control of the Infidel lands. They are in every chapter of the Qur'an, not isolated to one section. The amount of hate is overwhelming, here are but a very few...
Qur’an 9:123: "murder them and treat them harshly"
Qur’an 4.89: "seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
Qur’an 5:51: "Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people."
Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them"
Qur’an 2:191: "...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them"
Qur’an 2:193: "And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah"
Qur’an 8:55: "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve."
Qur’an 8:58: "If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape."
Qur’an 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tweenieSep 12, 2010
It is is'nt a mosque that is being built,
It is'nt a Al Queda training facility
It is'nt at ground zero.
Those are the facts
As for your post.........Please , get a life, If your going for the moral high ground, better not mention the old testament or the crusades. All the Abrahamic faiths are fundementally inseperable, with the same belief structure and failings.
If you are unable to grasp that fact then you sir are a disbeliever.
Three hail mary's, and don't forget to anally rape the alter boy on your way out.
God bless.
:-)
opant1234Sep 12, 2010
It is very simple, Islam is where the Christianity was in the dark ages. Killing people for disagreeing, honor killings, crusades, all that fun stuff. THAT is the difference, both books have violence in them but one set of people has been significantly outgrown by the overwhelming majority of its followers and the other is being used as a reason to kill people right now.
<s>off to my Qua'ran burning </s> had to use the tags cause who knows with you silly peopleComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
christiansims5Sep 12, 2010
good comment
http://bit.ly/aC1dDp
discipledaveSep 12, 2010
I just wonder if Michael Moore would scribe such an article, if the building at Ground Zero was to be a church for a group of born again Christians?
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
he would if there was a group of people trying to stop it because of their deep seeded hatred and bigotry
ofoarheffinsakeSep 12, 2010
Deuteronomy 13
13:12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword
Since you posted this twice I'm replying twice, only this time I'm using a different passage from the bible. You know how easy it was to find similar passages to the ones you quoted in the Bible? Very, VERY easy.
So go out and murder anyone who lives in a city that doesn't promote Christianity. After all, it's what the Bible preaches.
I sure hope you're against Christian churches being built too.
rhawk187Sep 12, 2010
Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses, these things are no longer required of us. You should really learn more about our religion before you start making baseless claims about it.
Jews on the other hand...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sebguerSep 12, 2010
Matthew. Jesus is quite clear that the laws stand.
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
rhawk187Sep 13, 2010
If you look more closely it says:
"...till all be fulfilled" and Jesus clearly says, "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
I suppose one could argue that he didn't accomplish that task, but I'm going to work under the assumption he did.
Paul seems to agree with this assumption in Galatians, as well as the author of Hebrews
opticwindSep 13, 2010
This theological debate, which remains on-going, on whether or not Jesus claimed that the original laws do no longer apply is not going to be solved in a digg thread. Jesus was very unclear depending on which quote you view.
danbarkerSep 12, 2010
Isnt something to do with 'religious freedom' in the US constitution somewhere?
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
notice the right preaches about the constitution until it conflicts with their interests... then its just another piece of paper
flowmanSep 12, 2010
Again - WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT INFRINGING UPON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM HERE?! This is not a Constitutional issue.
technopunditSep 12, 2010
Another piece of paper? Like Bush Jr. said it was?
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
Exept you stupid worthless f**k..it hsa been well established that he never said that. which is why OTHER worthless f**ks like you gve up on that claim long ago. Amazing that you are still that worthless as to keep repeating something that you know is bulls**t.
rhawk187Sep 12, 2010
There is, it goes:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
As far as I know, so far, Congress has done neither in this case, and so this is not a Constitutional issue.
It's more an issue of political correctness, they are asking them not to do it because it would be "offensive." I'm not a big fan of political correctness, but I wouldn't say it's "not longer America" just because they succumbed to pressure not to build it.
robbh66Sep 12, 2010
Which is why the US government is not saying they don't want the mosque. People are- you know- that whole freedom of speech thing in the constitution.
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
dan...seriously....for a 12 year old, you hhave really crammed a lifetime of embarrassing yourself, your family and your school system with every post you make. Like typical children, you act like an expert on everything when you know absolutely NOTHING about what you talk about. In no way does ANYTHING that is going on with the mosque violate the first amendment.
ahmedfauzanSep 12, 2010
yes. i agree with you. any negative issues should be avoided.
arschgaudiSep 12, 2010
Is Mikey still relevant?
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
is your icon still relevant?
cawpinSep 12, 2010
No. He's never been relevant.
dcjoedogv2Sep 12, 2010
The ground zero mosque was on ground zero...on the 17th floor in the south tower, I'm sure they die just as any other person in the building at the time of the attacks. allow all religions or none but don't pick and choose.
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
Most people below the impact floors got out.
flowmanSep 12, 2010
This is the most retarded argument I have ever heard. Literally. The fact that people don't want a Mosque built anywhere remotely near the WTC attack site (aka 'Ground Zero') doesn't make this some kind of assault on religious freedom at all. It'd be different if the government stopped it, but they're not, because those people have every RIGHT to put that mosque there. People just think they SHOULDN'T and they are ENTITLED TO THAT OPINION. That doesn't make them intolerant, hateful, or bigoted.
I literally don't give a s**t where they build the Mosque. If they wanna build it right on the attack site, IF YOU OWN THE PROPERTY AND FOLLOW THE APPLICABLE LAW, I COULD GIVE A f**k LESS. However, if you can't understand WHY 2/3rds of Americans have a problem with Muslims building what they perceive to be a 'victory Mosque' anywhere near Ground Zero, then maybe it's just not meant for you to understand.
cmackattackSep 12, 2010
Actually your opinion does in fact lend to your intolerant, hateful, or bigoted views. Also;
if you can't understand WHY 2/3rds of Muslims have a problem with American Empire building what they perceive to be a 'invading force' anywhere near their country(ies), then maybe it's just not meant for you to understand; and you are either an enabling sheeple, a raciest fracker, or just plain stupid.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
flowmanSep 12, 2010
My opinion is in no way intolerant, hateful, or bigoted and you damn well know it. And on the contrary, I understand full well why Muslims have a problem with America, you just can't seem to pick up upon the entire PREMISE of all my statements: I DO NOT GIVE A f**k.
theswashbucklerSep 12, 2010
As a lib I say this is total bulls**t.
ZIQSep 12, 2010
This whole fuss about building a mosque on Ground Zero is a result of the media and false propaganda followed through the passed few years.
This was 'no longer' America long time ago, since the nation was lead to destroy others for no valid 'announced' reasons, rather than miss-leading the entire nation to a well planned mirage..starting with the WMD, Al-Qaida connections, Global threats, etc..
Islam was never 'the issue' few years back, but if you look at it now, it's a top threat rather than being just a religion like any other,that has good and bad followers, just because the Media shows it that way!
Muslims are just like any other believers who has a right to live and practice their religion and rights as citizens, it's too late now to block them out...or any other ethnicity/religion at this point..it's 2010 now and things simply don't work as that anymore, if this goes wrong, the Quran is burned, the world will get into a big maze that won't be solved in few years!
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
The concept that America was founded on the freedom of all religions and all the practices of a religion is wrong. There have been and always will be restrictions on religion. If a religion believes in eating other humans is it protected? or one that believes in human sacrifice? Do we allow them to build alter for such acts? If a religion believes it has a God given right to convert nonbelievers, do we accept that religion's believe,s? do they have that right to forcefully impose its believes on free men? A single man has the right to believe and worship what he wants, he does not have the right to force others to his way of thinking because his holy text deems it. The bill of rights is about individual right and allows freedom of religion for the individual on a personnel level, it says nothing about the group.
greevarSep 12, 2010
No, it has always been the law of the land that all of our rights apply only so long as those rights do not infringe upon the rights of others. Therefore, freedom of religion does not allow human sacrifice if that is their way. My right to religion does not give me the right to prohibit the free speech of another because it offends my beliefs.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
agreed, religion is a individual right that is kept to ones self
juniorbSep 12, 2010
Wrong. Religion has always been, and will always be, a social construct that requires the participation of the community.
h4cker2050Sep 13, 2010
No religion believes in eating other human beings.You are biased and you are ignorant.You know nothing. whatever you have written is an inf**kingcredible piece of s**t!
RichvideoSep 13, 2010
Where are the good Muslims...Why are they not speaking up?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff5_1284247174
rhawk187Sep 12, 2010
So, if they were for some reason to choose not to build it because it will offend millions of people, or because people are willing to pay twice what the property is worth and it would be a smart business decision; then this is no longer America?
This is why I don't listen to Michael Moore anymore.
cmackattackSep 12, 2010
simple-minded...
ldailey06Sep 12, 2010
I don't see how this changes America at all. They still have every legal right to put the so called "mosque" there.
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
anymore? When did you? From his very first project he was outed as being completely full of s**t. Like how he failed to mention in Roger and Me that Roger Smith granted him TWO face to face interviews (more than he deserved) before he shot the movie and only started to ignore/avoid him because Michaelk Moore kept asking hte same questions over and over again. Not because they were never answered...but simply because he didn't LIKE the answers. Or how he twisted the timelines around to make the automotive industries look worse than they were. (Making it appear tha tthey opened their Automotive theme park in an attempt to revive the struggling community when in fact it was opened when the area was thriving.)
thelonewolf071Sep 12, 2010
But by this same notion, is America not America any more because we stopped the pastor from burning the Koran? I agree that we should allow the mosque to be build, as much as I believe that he has the right to burn that book.
The trouble the right has is that they only ever consider their side. Had this been an objection to a Church being build they would rally under the cry's of "America losing it's religion", or had the pastor try to burn the bible so publicly(People burn holy books in effigy all the time). This is why it's hard to take their cry's of insensitivity with a grain of salt because they don't care.
cmackattackSep 12, 2010
No one stopped the pastor...good straw-man tho
juniorbSep 12, 2010
Nobody stopped Paster Lunatic. He could've burned the Q'uran if he wanted to.
Closed AccountSep 13, 2010
Yes...becaue stupid f**ks like you on the left ALWAYS consioder both sides. In fact, you are doing it RIUGHT now! Sorry, but stupid f**ks like you do it FAR more often saying "Freedom of speech only applied to MY speech!"
You are what is wrong with American. Acually, with humanity. You are not human and should really remove yourself from the gene pool
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
This article and statement is false. This mosque doesn't represent free religion. Islam doesn't represent free religion, for Gods sake not only do they not allow Christianity in Muslim countries--->they kill Christians.... so what the hell? We should not support symbols of Islamic terrorist victory over freedom.... this isn't rocket science.. and it's not against free religion to oppose this location.... if anything it is supporting free religion to oppose this Mosque. How did ultimate acceptance work in Europe?? Not so good, what makes you think it would be different here? We have the example unfolding right in front of us. Drop the complete political correctness to keep our country the greatest in the world.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cmackattackSep 12, 2010
Did you eat paint chips as a little boy?
intoxicatedlukeSep 12, 2010
Were you abused as a little boy? Posting simple-minded insults isn't going to get your point across dumbass.
najatiSep 12, 2010
I am a muslim who live in the Middle East, where all my Christian friends go to church every sunday without being killed, you f**kING PIG!!!!
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
@ najati.... you know, I'm especially tired that the Islamic community thinks that we in America cannot see the barbarism or that it can be masked or lied about, I just don't understand why they think this, do you think because we're in a different country we can't simply read or follow world events? Muslims are murdering Muslims, intolerance is the least of it, suicide bombings, honor killings, terrorism.... the free world is sick of it.... we want it to end. Who is the pig? We're not against free religion in our country. After 9/11 no one bombed mosques or killed muslims..... we don't do that assh**e.... YOUR RELIGION DOES.... so stop pretending it doesn't..... so the solution is to start bringing this to light.... in the process you will be offended (sorry) but in the end you won't be collateral damage to the extreme side of Islam because we didn't let that side of it succeed. Have you're religion, stop the parts that do these things, and stop pretending they don't exist cause it doesn't work.
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
Oh and I didn't say that ALL Islamic countries don't allow other religions...
JNolanSep 12, 2010
You are a Muslim. You could have stopped right there. And try to keep a civil tongue in your foul mouth, Muslim. It's not your place to ever insult your betters, who are each and every non-Muslim on this planet.
In other words, shut the f**k up you filthy, pig-f**king whore and be thankful we haven't exterminated you yet.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
Michael Moore - Giving the Dopey Liberal Leftists a face...an ugly one at that!
Leave it to this stupid fat f**k to be on the wrong side of EVERY issue.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
malexSep 12, 2010
How is he wrong here?
Al-Qaeda does not represent American Muslims. The people opposing Park51 can't seem to grasp that concept, and it's only adding legitimacy to the militants' claim.
Closed AccountSep 12, 2010
Educate yourself naive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4
malexSep 12, 2010
Okay... One: "Naive" isn't a noun.
Two: There's nothing in that clip that credibly argues that Al-Qaeda and Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf are on the same side. Nothing but xenophobia and paranoia.
It's rather pathetic, and I think Moore is right on this.
technopunditSep 12, 2010
I remember the U.S.
It used to be around here, someplace...
apocadallSep 12, 2010
Moore is just as bad as Beck, hes just on the other side.
tomgfromcanadaSep 12, 2010
the united states of america are not even united
macpunkSep 12, 2010
He always has *a* "two cents." Whether or not it's good is completely subjective.
sniperhareSep 12, 2010
Who would ever take anything this fat f**k says seriously?
blackaxxeSep 12, 2010
I find Michael Moore to be a bit of a pretentious wanker so its hard to take him seriously.
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
They burn this countries flag... there are too many extremists in their religion... and apparently a lot of weak moderates.... because they obviously can't control the others..... think about when they threatened to burn the quran.... they went nuts like animals..chosing to ignore the fact that this contraversy was brought up to show that we do not want to support giant symbols of Islamic terrorism victory in our country...... it's not about intolerance. It's about freedom and peace.... that mosque location symbolizes Islamic terrorist victory, we won't allow that. Those who view it as intolerance are willfully missing the point.
lobrien006Sep 13, 2010
"They burn this countries flag." - There are 1.65 Billion of "them". You can't paint them all with the same brush can you?
"...mosque location symbolizes Islamic terrorist victory," - There are over 100 mosques in NYC. Were the first 100 mosques battle victory symbols, and this one the victory symbol of the war??
"...chosing to ignore the fact that this contraversy was brought up to show that we do not want to support giant symbols of Islamic terrorism victory in our country." - The burning of some religion's holiest book that is based on peace and love (yes it has been hijacked by their extremists) and that has the message "we don't support Islamic terrorism".... sorry I don't see it. What I see are Christian extremists spreading hate and demonstrating ignorance while thinking they speak for all of Christianity.
Dusty976Sep 13, 2010
So there are a lot of them, if you equaled the numbers they would still be commiting horrific acts at like 2000 percent more than us.... so what's your excuse for them? They have the right to be barbaric because they believe in Islam? Bull.....we're not going to believe Islamic excuses any more......and the moderate muslims taht get all red faced and embarrassed are just going to have to get over it.... they let their religion get out of control...really out of control.... they don't even move away and practice Islam under new names....which would be a real act of moving away from what Islam is doing..... so it's all bulls**t. I'm not even a traditional Christian I don't go to any church....I'm for the progress of all humanity and non violence....... Islam can change quick or die out... people see them crystal clear.
lobrien006Sep 13, 2010
I'm not religious either. Don't forget how you as an "American" got to become an American. Christians have been just as barbaric or more in the course humanity. Comparing yourself as an American to them holds no weight. You assume you are better than they are because you are an American and you cherish your Freedoms. You are no different than they are if you don't give Islamic Americans the same freedoms!
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
They need to move that mosque away from ground zero....who's to say they don't blow another national treasure up and put a mega mosque as close as possible...... oh then it would be obvious??? It's Obvious now! Wake up! We should not allow them to piss on the graves of the people they slaughtered.... terrorism needs to end.
Dusty976Sep 12, 2010
You know the only good thing is since these people can't get their s**t together and stop the terrorism... the alternative energies are growing so fast now, that all that oil money we give them will dry up..... sorry guys.... :)
rethreadSep 12, 2010
America and Digg is what the people turn it into. You can't blame the big guys for systems failure all the time, because, lawmakers make laws. People build nations.
http://videosift.com/video/Zero-Punctuation-Review-Painkiller
I'ma go rampaging for a bit, because, I once stumbled across this here. R-Click lightning, L-Click while lightning for awesome.
rethreadSep 12, 2010
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/57-Painkiller
Ignore the above blogger link. Thanks.
chris63084Sep 13, 2010
Wow is it me or does Michael Moore look like 20 years older than I remember him?
I support every organizations rights to be treated in the same equal way to other organizations of the same sort. However, I don't think we should be building any religious crap in the financial district of NYC, land is way too valuable. But...if we're going to let other religions do it we have to let them too.
island8Sep 13, 2010
I don't agree at all. The legal right to express yourself should be tempered with the wisdom to see the way your action will be percieved. Is the location being used to make a statement or is it meant to reconcile and heal old wounds? The problem for me is that I rember news clips of the people who cheered for the 9/11 attacks. Those people will also cheer for the construction and see it as a victory...probably not what the Imam intended at all. In his shoes, I would avoid the site or allowing this to happen because the end effect will be negative. It will pull some extemes apart and appear to be a different kind of act to others.
Michael, I don't agree with your view.
cme884Sep 13, 2010
I have to disagree. Al Qaeda and the Taliban would love to see us kill the mosque, just as they'd love to see a crazy pastor in Florida burn qorans; it's perfect for winning over new recruits.
The vast majority of muslims, with whom we are not at war, would praise allowing a community center to exist on private property. We won't win this war by pissing them off; we'll win it by making them happy. When they are happy, they won't flock to extremism in droves.
phalanxcronosSep 13, 2010
The mosque has every right to be built just as that Church had every right to burn the quran if they would of proceeds. On the flip side, people have the right to demonstrate and protest burning the quran or building the Mosque so close to ground zero. As long as the Government doesn't interfere everyone is exercising their rights.
The most telling thing about Moore's post is how he refers to a terrorist attack as a terrorist incident.
cme884Sep 13, 2010
The difference is, of course, a group of moderate religious folk want to built a community center welcoming all faiths, and a group who want to get attention decide the best way to do that is to threaten to burn someone else's holy book.
You're right in that they both have a right to do so, but you're wrong in saying the two scenarios are anywhere near equal.
It's like saying I have the right to eat a ham and cheese sandwich by myself in my home, but I also have the right to have that same ham and cheese sandwich in front of a group of Hassidic jews, all the while telling them how wrong they are for not eating what I eat. One of these things is perfectly reasonable. Another is just being an assh**e.
thelostviking22Sep 13, 2010
A religion wasn't "lost" at Ground Zero, 3,000 Americans lost their lives because of assh**e terrorists.
It's not that a religious building is going to be built near the site, it's that the religion associated with the terrorists wants to put a place of worship near the site.
I know all Muslims are not like that. If the terrorists happened to be Jewish, Methodists, Satanists, Christians... any religion, really, I would still be opposed to it.
When a few kids in a school dress inappropriately, they make everybody wear uniforms. Not fair to lump everybody under the same rule because of a few bad apples? Tough.
If we happened to commit a destructive act against any other country, then tried to build, say, an American embassy there or any of our religious buildings, they would have an absolute fit. But we should welcome the building with open arms? f**k you.
mikelistSep 13, 2010
wow, you don't get it. there was a mosque ON ground zero when it became ground zero. depending on the actual time of the hit, there may have been people in there praying.
BIGTRINSep 13, 2010
Michael Moore is an absolute idiot and I don't understand why anyone would want to read anything he wrote or listen to anything he had to say.
mikelistSep 13, 2010
even a broken clock is right, twice a day. i don't care much for the way he says some things, but he does make valid points, or you wouldn't be upset with him.