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stubearJul 13, 2011
So, neither States nor the Federal Government can enforce emissions limits? And people say government isn't controlled by corporations. It's long past time for a separation of State and Corporation.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
No the Federal Government can still enforce them, the bill just won't let the EPA change the limits for the time being.
redstringJul 13, 2011
Wait, what is that sound... oh yeh, the sound of Detroit buying off another politician.
novenatorJul 13, 2011
So much for the conservative claim to support "state's rights". Just like their war on cannabis, this proves they only care about their big oil benefactors.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
Oh yeah... you luv yourself some commerce clause to nationalize the health industry and mandate health insurance purchases... but now that it's the EPA, like a typical racist you scream "state's rights".
Hyp-o-crite.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJul 13, 2011
Ummm. It has always been you republicons who are doing the screaming about states rights. And here you are caught lying again.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
I know RTFA is hard but you'll notice that it's the democraps who are doing the screaming about states rights here.
ncmusicJul 13, 2011
In this instance the fed sets a minimum standard and the state has the option to set an even higher standard. That's not different from healthcare where states and regulate that insurance companies provide a different minimum standard for coverage as long as it falls within the federal guideline as well.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
And again, the article is about the locking California into the EPA's limits with no state-level override. Same thing which can (and will) happen with Obamacare.
But in this case, Novenator supports "state's rights"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
And again, the article is about the locking California into the EPA's limits with no state-level override. Same thing which can (and will) happen with Obamacare.
But in this case, Novenator supports "state's rights"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ncmusicJul 13, 2011
Did you ignore the difference I pointed out between the two? The fed set a minimum, CA set a more strict minimum that does not violate the federal guidelines, which is the same thing states are still allowed to do with healthcare.
isaac7719Jul 13, 2011
"like a typical racist"
I don't see how race is related to this at all. Stop being an instigator.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
Don't you wonder why Novenator included state's rights in quotes?
"So much for the conservative claim to support "state's rights" "
That was not unintentional.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
isaac7719Jul 13, 2011
He is most likely mocking the conservative demand for state rights despite their history of bloating federal rights.
Race isn't involved in this issue whatsoever. You're making assumptions and being very sensitive.
skywiseJul 13, 2011
Assumptions about Novenator insinuating conservatives are racist?
Never... /s
http://digg.com/news/politics/tea_party_could_put_record_number_of_black_conservatives_in_office
"You had better organize something on the Digg Patriots board to take some action about this WhiteWingAttila. We all know how much your cabal really cares!"
"I can see why. There was such a diverse and tolerant crowd on every Tea Party photo I've ever seen, as well as the 3 I attended in person. The message to the 25% of blacks who are unemployed to get a job, and the 30% who end up in prison at some point to stop breaking these damn marijuana laws have also resonated with the African American community.
Perhaps the thing that has appealed most to blacks is the outreach efforts by conservatives, like the Fake voting flyers distributed to African American voters in Texas http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/fake-fliers-aim-mislead-texas-voters/
I bet the GOP gets a majority of 4% of the black vote this midterm!"
http://digg.com/news/politics/bat_sh_t_hits_the_fan_bachmann_races_to_erase_slavery_reference_in_marriage_vow#20110713021419:b69cb3de59a94c0a9109b2d6e5a022ce
"So you're in favor of slavery then. Gotcha. I suppose the libertarian-conservative right *could* argue that property rights could extend to humans. I disagree, but understand why you would say this, it is consistent "Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorJul 13, 2011
The more you stalk me skywise, the more I know I'm doing something right and just.
eraptorJul 14, 2011
skywise,
The healthcare industry was nationalized with healthcare reform? That's news to everyone in the country, including the industry itself.
Since when has there been a connection between pollution and racism? Oh, that's right, when the corporate polluters you defend, bury poor, defenseless black people in toxic waste and leave them at the mercy of the healthcare afflictions it causes. By the way, where are the state regulators and legislators while this disgrace is going on in Louisianna (and other states)? Answer: Sitting comfortably in the industry's pocket.
Nothing like pulling those "straw men" out of thin air...
Closed AccountJul 13, 2011
uh i don't see many dems pushing for legalization, especially not the dem president who glorfied his pot and coke use in his book to seem hip and cool to the youth that read it....Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dspgeekJul 13, 2011
"Glorified"?
Here's a direct quote from the book: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind."
Some glorification. But thanks for proving once more how wingers will distort anything & everything.
Closed AccountJul 14, 2011
HAHAHAHA
you took one quote out of the book, i think you should read more.....
thanks for proving once again far left wing douche bags will assume anyone who doesn't agree with obama os a "winger"
Closed AccountJul 13, 2011
also, it's not "state's rights" when just one state was gonig to get special treatment from the EPA....
novenatorJul 13, 2011
States should have the right to impose stronger standards for the sake of our planet if they want to. They should not have the right to have weaker standards than the federal guidelines.
Closed AccountJul 14, 2011
and they should also have the right to set standards they think won't hurt their economy and not have to abide by government regulations that can cost buisness in their state to lose billions of dollars, costing jobs and lost tax revenue....
just like they shouldn't have to abide by federal laws that say pot is illegal, right?
dspgeekJul 13, 2011
Any state is welcome to apply for stronger regulations. Note that California's tougher standards made Los Angeles livable instead of a smog-choked hell.
Closed AccountJul 14, 2011
are they welcome to apply to NOT have to abide by federal EPA standards? even if it could cost buisness in their states to lose billions of dollars???
mrteflonJul 13, 2011
Another Victory for the Corporations while pretending to support State Rights
What a bunch of LIARS
Hey Republicans where are the zillions of JOBS that you campaigned on?
Oh Snap those were just lies too! Since you haven't uttered a peep about jobs since you took offices.
lornefsJul 13, 2011
The republicans are too concerned with f**king up your country. It's scary what's going on. -- a caring and worried Canadian (we are getting the same bulls**t from our conservatives now as well)
deuxbitsJul 13, 2011
We're all for freedom and state's rights until you try to do something we don't like.
justa__free__thinkerJul 13, 2011
Hell, you must be one of them "Liberals" that's all into breathing and other hippy stuff for posting this, lol.
You just don't get how capitalism works. We get rid of the EPA, big biz makes tons more profits and our share will trickle down (along with the acid rain of course).
bennygeoJul 13, 2011
Did anyone, that has commented so far, actually read the article? ]
dualaudiJul 14, 2011
Oh booo effin hooo... The EPA in CA has over stepped its boundaries on emission controls here. The EPA regulates the citizens, yet allows millions of vehicles from mexico and other states with much less regulations to cross our borders.
gkiltzJul 14, 2011
No chance in the Senate!
The House needs to get it's s**t together, and stop wasting their time and our money on things they know have no chance in the Senate!
meedJul 13, 2011
There goes the planet.
rufiohoJul 13, 2011
A power struggle - RAWR
jagedlionJul 13, 2011
The logic being that it will affect interstate trade? State governments should be allowed to make their own regulations. Who knows their constituents better than the low level guys?
thoughtsonthisJul 13, 2011
Decisions, decisions.
B3rt619Jul 14, 2011
we have so many limits already!!!
agmlauncherJul 13, 2011
Poor Californians. All these do gooder regulations are costing its citizens a fortune. Stricter emissions standards WILL raise the cost of vehicles, especially if those emissions standards are imposed too dramatically and suddenly.
I also fail to see why each state should be allowed to set its own regulations. Automakers shouldn't have to build 50 variants of each vehicle to meat each state's specific emissions regulations, or build one version to the strictest standard as it could simply change at any moment since there are 50 states that could change their standards. Further, people in Iowa shouldn't have to pay California prices for vehicles just because the automaker is building expensive California emission standards vehicles.
And what happens if someone tries to sell an Iowa vehicle in California? Does the person purchasing that vehicle then have to pay hundreds of dollars to get the car converted in such a way that it passes California emissions regulations?
It's simply impractical and silly for states to make their own regulation. It should be a NATIONAL regulation.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ncmusicJul 13, 2011
I think the existing problem of air quality in California already displays the need for more standards. Unless you have a way for industry to fix all that w/o regulation. There's not as much a profit motive to decrease emissions, thus the regulation.
"And what happens if someone tries to sell an Iowa vehicle in California? Does the person purchasing that vehicle then have to pay hundreds of dollars to get the car converted in such a way that it passes California emissions regulations? "
Yes. What if we were to adopt CAs more strict regulations?
agmlauncherJul 13, 2011
"Yes. What if we were to adopt CAs more strict regulations?"
You'd pay a lot more per vehicle. This is what new MPG regulations are estimated to do to the costs of cars.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/obama-56-2-mpg-target-could-raise-car-prices-2100-by-2025.htmlComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ncmusicJul 13, 2011
Ok, I get it, but you don't state CA's emission requirements are different than say North Dakota which is a much smaller less densely populated state? It's possible that you might pay more for your car but less for healthcare because of the better air quality.
emkaysmithJul 14, 2011
"You'd pay a lot more per vehicle."
And less for medical care later in life.
darthseussJul 14, 2011
Better to pay more for cars than to have to pay more in medical bills due to the pollution cars put out.
And if you doubt that car exhaust is a health risk, please try an experiment by spending an evening in your garage with your car's engine running.
emkaysmithJul 14, 2011
Idiots who voted for this travesty should have urban roadway emissions collected and piped into their residences.
createradJul 14, 2011
Didn't they just come out to say that all car brands need to have a hybrid/electric line by 2025?
Closed AccountJul 13, 2011
You sickeningly stupid, god damn, social conservative, right trash assh**es...
f**k the religious/political right and everyone in it.
From leadership with its head up its own greedy pandering cowardly asses, to its base in the intellectual sewer of voodoo 'c'hristianity, f**k all you atrociously stupid assh**es.
And that's from the heart.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mauigreenJul 13, 2011
I'm for any laws that limit what C.A.R.B can or cant do. CARB has damned near killed the aftermarket car industry in California.
dspgeekJul 13, 2011
Seeing as how the aftermarket industry is all about loud pipes and moron noise, GOOD.